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- 6 Van Gogh PR
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Les Grandes Baigneuses (Renoir)
I saw you changed "is held by" to "is in" in Les Grandes Baigneuses (Renoir). That's all right, but I was puzzled by your edit summary suggesting that "is held by" is not English. It is standard English, and also common for paintings, but since the simpler "is in" is fine, too, I won't argue with the change. I can also understand removing "a scene" as unnecessary, but I think "a" was left there. Corinne (talk) 02:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- " the women standing in the stream in the background posed in the large" was the bit I meant, but I managed not to hide it, I see. I can't even work out what was intended. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I can't, either. Oh...and I take back what I said, above, about "scene"; I'm used to looking at just the revision history, with the two columns, and the "delta" view threw me off; I didn't see you just removed the square brackets and not the word "scene"; I'm also sorry I misunderstood to what your edit summary referred. Corinne (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- No worries, I wasn't being very coherent. I see Hafspajen has been away nearly a month now... It's a lovely painting, & it would be nice to sort the article out, but I don't have much on Renoir. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Van Gogh PR
Working, very slowly, towards an FAC.[1]. Not here to ask for a review, more that since it's such a visible page and likely to draw attention, can you be on hand to rule on any VAMOS issues likely to crop up. I'll ping you if needs be, if that's ok. Ceoil (talk) 00:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)...I'll be there too. CassiantoTalk 09:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Of course, though he's not really my period. Johnbod (talk) 13:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Deep history
Hi. Re. "prehistory", it took me a while, but now I got it :-) Clear-cut definition, basta.
Could you please take a look at the "deep history" article? I think it's too high-flying and lacking a simple lead with a basic definition.
Is there anything to that idea that more recent researchers, by using a whole array of means borrowed from the nature sciences and applying them both to literate and illiterate cultures (which might have been contemp. with each other), are "blurring the distinction between the terms 'history' and 'prehistory'"? From the way it was written it seemed to me that it came from somebody who knew what he was talking about, but now it looks illogical. Or is there more to it? Thanks, Arminden (talk) 09:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 09:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's certainly the case for "history", where archaeology and other scientific (and social scientific) approaches have long been joining the analysis of contemporary chronicles and documents, even for quite recent periods - eg Industrial archaeology. Also for periods in protohistory, for example the Celtic Iron Age. But this has been going on since the 18th century, and eg Greek & Latin authors writing about the Celts have been treated with great suspicion for nearly a century, even though archaeology in fact confirms much that they say. But "written records" have never been relevant to most of prehistory, eg the European Stone Age, because there just aren't any. The original version before either of us started to change the article read "Historians increasingly do not restrict themselves to evidence from written records", which is very misleading in Prehistory because they never did, since the Renaissance or the birth of archaeology anyway. I'll have a poke at deep history, but it isn't really my thing. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
John, if I may bother you again: there is a 1500-year discrepancy between the PPNA dates given by specialised archaeologists here, and the dates used by the WP articles on Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, Jericho, the Wall of Jericho and the Tower of Jericho: ≈11,500–10,500 cal B.P. vs. 8000 to 7000 BC. The PNAS article is referring specifically to the PPNA site at Dhra', but Jericho is only a stone throw away, so regional differences can hardly play a part. Or is it connected to calibrated carbon dates vs. what has become common dating standards? Thanks again, Arminden (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I see that paper is 2008/9. It may just be newer findings giving a new date, or there may be more to it. Unfortunately all the editors at PPNA with apparent expertise seem to have moved on, & I'm loath to change anything in an area I know next to nothing about. I suggest you copy the query to the talk pages of the articles, and maybe the archaeology project talk, and see if anything happens. If nothing does, after 8 years or so there should be new 2ndary sources reflecting the new date, somewhere. Johnbod (talk) 15:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
kebabs
Hi, and thanks for your recent edits to the various "kebab" pages. I'd like to take a moment if I may, to explain some of the things I've been hoping to achieve there lately.
It's a little complicated because of the various meanings of the word kebab in different places. The main source of difficulty is in the English use of kebab to mean meat and/or vegetables cooked or served on small skewers. This is of course the correct definition of the English loanword, according to English dictionaries.
However, to avoid some of the problems described at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, I'm hoping to impart a more "world-wide view of the subject", as best I can with my limited knowledge. I think it's important for people to understand what the word normally means in English, but also to learn what it means in its native lands, and especially, to get an appreciation of the rich cuisine that it refers to there.
In Middle Eastern culture and languages, kebab doesn't necessarily indicate the use of skewers. If we take the English language usage to define the articles' topic, or the world-wide meaning of kebab, then it becomes very difficult to talk about things like köfte kebab. Köfte kebab is one of the most popular types of kebabs around the world, and though it may be cooked on a skewer - then called şiş köfte in Turkey - it's often cooked directly on a grill, similar to a hamburger. This is very common in Turkey, Bulgaria, Israel, and many other countries.
To illustrate this, I added the photo of the "British Asian style barbeque" at the top of the kebab article, with the additional comment: Note that the meat patties are described as "kebabs", while the vegetable skewers are not, which you've removed with the comment "flat untrue". But the original photographer described it as "...chicken kebabs...and an assortment of vegetables". The photograph is quite clear, the skewers contain only the "assortment of vegetables", while the described "chicken kebabs" can only refer to the meat patties, which are a type of köfte kebab. This is completely in keeping with the way the terms are used in their native Western Asia. In the Turkish and Persian kitchens for example, with the possible exception of shashlik, vegetables are usually cooked on separate skewers, because of the different cooking times. They are not called kebabs. The term kebab specifically refers to grilled meat dishes. So I believe my note is correct, at least in terms of how the people cooking the meal described it.
I've added some further explanation about what I've been working towards in Talk:Kebab#disambiguation and improvement, if you care to have a look.
Sorry if I'm telling you things you already know. I'm not an expert and I still have much to learn about the subject. I hope we can come to an understanding, so that we're not working at cross-purposes.
Cheers! IamNotU (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think the caption to that photo is complete crap, frankly. It shows exactly the basic British barbeque foods (minus pork sausages, admittedly) - the only "British Asian" thing might be the arms of the chef. It shows vegetable kebabs, chicken thighs (clearly not wings), beefburgers, and the American import of sweetcorn. It is exactly what I and most unambitious British barbequers cook! I am entirely sympathetic to your aims, but not necessarilly the edits you make. Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Fair enough, obviously I have no real information about the source of that photo. I'll try to find something better, thanks for pointing it out. I'm having some difficulty with how to present the kebab article that's both about the English loanword, meaning all kinds of food cooked exclusively on small skewers - or, döner kebab - and at the same time about the term used throughout the Muslim world cuisine, which includes meat patties grilled without skewers, things cooked on large swords, and even things that are more like a stew. It's particularly difficult to deal with the ongoing edit war over the inclusion of ancient Greek dishes in the history section, "because they're meat cooked on a skewer". I'd like to see the kebab article be primarily about the latter usage, with the English usage redirected to shish kebab and döner kebab, and dealt with there. That seems to be the most appropriate. If you have any suggestions, I'm happy to hear them. IamNotU (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think you just have to set it out as it is, at some length, and risking confusion. Pudding has similar issues. You may need to be careful to avoid giving the impression that there is no graspable subject at all. I don't really agree about your split - shish kebab is too specific in British English I think, and doner kebab too. Johnbod (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Leads
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George Bernard Shaw
Hello, Johnbod. This is a piece of unabashed soliciting. I know George Bernard Shaw is not on your usual beat, but Brian Boulton and I have the article up for PR, and in search of a really rigorous review we hope you might perhaps be willing to look in. Perfectly understand if not, naturally, Tim riley talk 15:52, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
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Roman temples
Thanks for your work on this page. Would you mind editing by section instead of the entire page at once? It makes it hard to modify your revisions one by one. Thanks. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes I would! I suggest you leave the page alone until I have finished working on it. How do you want to "modify" it anyway? Johnbod (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Well, it's kind of hard to know when someone is finished editing. :-) Modify in the usual sense of "edit". - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 19:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Oh, really! Not take half the article and split it to a crappy list? That's downright dishonest. Johnbod (talk) 03:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't understand the dishonesty accusation. I put up a note on the talk page for the Roman temple article back in October, to which no one responded. I can't force anyone to read Talk pages, but consulting them is a pretty standard part of an editor's job. That said, you've been doing some really nice work on that page and I don't see why the splitting of a list into a list page is problematic. There are lots of these lists for similar articles: Roman theaters, Roman amphitheaters, Greek temples, Roman gods, Greek gods, and so on. This is just another one of them. No offense is meant to anyone's work. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 04:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, really! Not take half the article and split it to a crappy list? That's downright dishonest. Johnbod (talk) 03:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Have to say, you're doing splendid work there! Haploidavey (talk) 14:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Well, it's kind of hard to know when someone is finished editing. :-) Modify in the usual sense of "edit". - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 19:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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You removed the CSD tag from Genre painting, the article is copied and pasted from this site and therefore qualified for speedy deletion. You did not provide proof that the article was not copied and pasted, so I have replaced the CSD tag. Music1201 (talk) 02:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- See my comments on the talk page there. Frankly you are far too inexperienced and incompetent to be doing these. I will revert you. Ask someone with more patience if after looking at my comments you still don't understand why. Johnbod (talk) 02:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Baharestan carpet
My bad, just checked and it seems that Baharestan carpet is actually the more popular name. You're welcome to change it back if you want to. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:30, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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Regarding your edits on Plague (disease). Please be warned that you seem to be edit warring. Also notice that your edit summaries are misleading. If you continue this behavior, edit warring without any justification, you risk that your edit privileges will be restricted by administrators. Debresser (talk) 19:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- Please be warned yourself. Your edit summaries are downright deceptive, you are performing multiple reverts to reinsert clear breaches of policies such as WP:LEAD, and refusing to engage in discussion. Johnbod (talk) 19:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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Rustics and locals
Very nice improvements to Rustication. However, I was amused to see the view from my bedroom window is now included as an example; it's amazing that one never spots what's under one's nose. I now realise that I am superbly positioned to write a page on the wonders of Early 20th century Imperialistic architecture - is that an architectural term do you think? Giano (talk) 17:23, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks - now you've got me guessing - treehouse at Castle Howard? Very nice. Scotland Yard is Stripped Classicism I think. Of course I recognised your style in the article at once, and have been slightly worried your redoubtable aunt's carriage might appear crunching down the drive.... I'm, most untypically, on a classical architecture jag at the moment, having finally started to read right through Summerson, John, The Classical Language of Architecture, 1980 edition, Thames and Hudson World of Art series, ISBN 0500201773. I don't think I've actually done this since 1989 when I bought it, just dipping and looking at the pics and captions. It certainly does sharpen ones appreciation of grand city centres (if you never had, it's really good - 60 pages of excellent text, and tons of very well-captioned pics. All our articles such as Doric order, gutta etc were adequate, and hardly touched in 10 years. But all could do with expansion - "Rustication" of course much better than the rest. Roman temple was a shocker, and Ancient Roman architecture had nothing on, well, architecture, having been occupied by engineers. They all get huge views, and nobody turns a hair when you refurbish them, unlike so many other areas, where the slightest change brings hordes of soldier ants out. I'm taking a firm line with rustication: Grove is, imo, far too ready, like Commons, to call any rough medieval masonry "rusticated". Bah! And those diamonds are delightful under Mediterranean sunlight but not really it either. I'm not finished, and trying to get my head round the Pitti Palace now, having never actually seen it. Hope you're well! All the best, Johnbod (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- Ah well, I once had a student job showing people around the Pitti Palace and Uffizi - so i do know what I'm talking about there, although sullen American adolescent who only wanted to see the "nood in the clam shell" is permanently engraved on my mind - his parents had paid for him to have a private tour - I fear they wasted their money.I always meant to return to Rustication, I think I wrote it quickly to stop a wrong link to something provincial. I'm currently in a rented flat just off Whitehall while the new house is being renovated - I hadn't realsised before what a nice quite, but convenient part of London it is - can stroll through Embankment Garden and a two minute walk to St James Park - shame I'm not more of an energetic person. I have a feeling diamond patterned rustication has a name all of it's own - is t "lozenge rustication"? Giano (talk) 13:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Grove used "diamond", also Curl's dictionary. Summerson illustrates a page from Serlio showing many different types, including one coming to a point and another coming to a ridge, which I imagine would be the lozenge, which Prof. Google shows certainly exists. Actually now I see that the Uni of Catania pic you added includes both types in the square and wide blocks. More to add. I think I know those flats - a rather strong and intriguing atmosphere, which in a film would not bode well. But a great place to live I'm sure. I hope you get to the NG at least - when I worked in Soho I found 20 minute visits very satisfying & easy to fit in. Also it works as a short cut from Trafalgar Sq to Soho. It's my laziness that never got me as far out of downtown Florence to the Pitti, which is rather pathetic. Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, very atmospheric, rather like living in a 1930s adaptation of an 1890s play. Apparently, I'm not the only famous writer to have lived here, George Bernard Shaw has too (said with true modesty). At night, it's quite creepy, I keep expecting to meet Miss Marple in the hallways announcing that a "murder has been arranged." I've been to the NG so many times, that I'm on first name terms with the janitors, I'll probably be invited to their Christmas party. The only problem is the price of a pint in my local. The University of Catania image was what I think you English call a googly to bowl and ask someone to describe - perhaps rhombus or demi-octahedron? Giano (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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- The only cheap pub round there is the Wetherspoons near the top of Whitehall, which I rather like when not too crowded. It's a huge and grandiose Edwardian banking hall that must have the highest pub ceiling in England, only rivalled by the one opposite Leadenhall Market. Do your NG pals still all come from Mauritius? Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Funnily enough, I have been in that Wetherspooms; it's confusingly called the Moon of the Mall - I suppose it's close to Admiralty Arch, but even so it's not in the Mall. I looked closely at it today, by the ground floor architecture, you can see it was obviously a bank - I'd never noticed that before until you said about it being a banking hall. At the other end of Whitehall is St Stephen's Tavern, that really is very good and so is the food and it's not too touristy. Giano (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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- The only cheap pub round there is the Wetherspoons near the top of Whitehall, which I rather like when not too crowded. It's a huge and grandiose Edwardian banking hall that must have the highest pub ceiling in England, only rivalled by the one opposite Leadenhall Market. Do your NG pals still all come from Mauritius? Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Ah well, I once had a student job showing people around the Pitti Palace and Uffizi - so i do know what I'm talking about there, although sullen American adolescent who only wanted to see the "nood in the clam shell" is permanently engraved on my mind - his parents had paid for him to have a private tour - I fear they wasted their money.I always meant to return to Rustication, I think I wrote it quickly to stop a wrong link to something provincial. I'm currently in a rented flat just off Whitehall while the new house is being renovated - I hadn't realsised before what a nice quite, but convenient part of London it is - can stroll through Embankment Garden and a two minute walk to St James Park - shame I'm not more of an energetic person. I have a feeling diamond patterned rustication has a name all of it's own - is t "lozenge rustication"? Giano (talk) 13:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Royal Collection and mobile access
Please view the mobile version of Royal Collection and have a think about whether stuffing the lead with images you personally like (and keeping the lists) is such a good idea. About 50% of users accessing the article do so on a mobile or tablet. [2] Firebrace (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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- It doesn't look too bad at all, and there are various mobile views - it would look different on an actual mobile. I'm not inclined to take illustration tips from someone who left the article for some months with 4 images, two of them portraits of Charles I by Van Dyck! I follow the normal design conventions for WP, unlike you. I realize these don't always work for mobile, but that is a global problem we need to work out conventions for eventually. Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Maps
Hi, I want to include some maps in some of the articles. I want a consensus for that. Please make your comment on the talk pages of Achaemenid empire and Parthian empire.Arman ad60 (talk) 11:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Everyone wants to include "some maps" - the question is which, which I'm not an expert on. I'll take a look. Johnbod (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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