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- 1 Your submission at Articles for creation: Texas Journal of Oil, Gas, and Energy Law has been accepted
- 2 Decision for climate change deniers cat
- 3 Quviahugvik
- 4 Request
- 5 Great minds think alike.
- 6 Formally request reconsideration of expansion of topic ban
- 7 Canvassing via WP:Votestack
- 8 Category:Populated places by year of establishment subcats
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SwisterTwister talk 05:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)- SwisterTwister Credit really belongs to User:2602:306:C4EA:CEA0:8C18:C012:44D3:D40 who started the article. I already informed them as well. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:01, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Decision for climate change deniers cat
Are you absolutely confident that you had sufficient consensus to close as delete rather than no consensus? I do not think consensus favoured the decision you took. AusLondonder (talk) 08:50, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding this discussion? You'll need to give me something more than just say "you should have gone with no consensus". It's not a pure vote situation. When I look at the timeline during which the discussion was added to the BLP/N board and the views there, I think it does. You can't give great weight to the procedural opposers or the early opposers if there's no later discussion by them or even a later rebuttal to the points expressed. It's no different than an AFD with a lot of delete votes at the top and then someone comes in with new evidence or a new point and then a bunch of keeps at the bottom (or in the opposite, a bunch of keeps but someone finds out the sources are inaccurate and so it changes to a bunch of deletes). Closing those as no consensus is inaccurate. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:37, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
- May I respectfully ask, which is the specific BLP/N discussion that you refer to that figures so prominently in your decision to support category deletion? Was the BLP/N discussion formally closed? If not, and it if it is archived, may I respectfully ask that you un-archive it and attempt to formally close it, so that we as a community may assess the consensus on your take-away from that discussion? Thank you. Hugh (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- "You can't give great weight to the procedural opposers or the early opposers if there's no later discussion by them or even a later rebuttal to the points expressed." Respectfully disagree. On a good day, yes, new evidence and new points of view are shared and views evolve; on the other hand another pattern in online discussions is unloading the bus. You are giving undue weight to the last word. Maybe early commenters see little substance in later comments. The arena of climate change being under discretionary sanctions, it may be that early commenters are reluctant to rebut each and every later comment because they fear being topic banned for tendentious editing. Delete is clearly a minority view in the category discussion. Your close is difficult to understand. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- The discussion at that time was cross-posted to now-Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive231#109_BLP_articles_labelled_.22Climate_Change_Deniers.22_all_at_once. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link. Thank you for engaging in discussion of your action. I see the request for closure WP:ANRFC of the BLPN discussion you linked to was declined, yet your interpretation of the consensus at the BLPN discussion figured prominently in your rationale for your closure of the category discussion. May I respectfully suggest we un-archive the BLPN discussion, and again request a formal, uninvolved closure, so that we may as a community assess the consensus of the BLPN discussion, if any? Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 19:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- You can bring that up at WT:BLP. I had no involvement with the BLP discussion but I think it is a moot point at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- "moot point" I don't understand your comment, "moot point." What do you mean by "moot point," do you mean to say done is done? You invoked your interpretation of the BLPN discussion in your closure of the category discussion. Can we please find out if here is community consensus on your interpretation of the BLPN discussion? It sure seems like you used a BLPN discussion with no consensus and a category discussion with no consensus to justify a category deletion. I'm confused, please explain. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Go ahead and argue it if you want. I don't care. The issue was whether those BLPs should be in the category or not. I just close the CFD as I did for the others that day. I didn't close the BLP discussion, I had nothing to do with that, I didn't even do more than scan it. I closed the CFD discussion. The BLP discussion brought up a new point, which came into the CFD discussion. I didn't see a lot of rebuttals or responses to the BLP discussion issues (there were some but not a lot) and a lot of newer voices from outside the general topic concerned about the BLP implications of the category itself. My advice was to formulate an RFC or some other discussion, but that's just advice. If you want to reinstate the BLP discussion, bring it up, if you want to take this to DRV, go do that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. Where can I review the CSD discussion you mention? Thank you. Hugh (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- This discussion? That is what we are talking about, aren't we? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. Where can I review the CSD discussion you mention? Thank you. Hugh (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Go ahead and argue it if you want. I don't care. The issue was whether those BLPs should be in the category or not. I just close the CFD as I did for the others that day. I didn't close the BLP discussion, I had nothing to do with that, I didn't even do more than scan it. I closed the CFD discussion. The BLP discussion brought up a new point, which came into the CFD discussion. I didn't see a lot of rebuttals or responses to the BLP discussion issues (there were some but not a lot) and a lot of newer voices from outside the general topic concerned about the BLP implications of the category itself. My advice was to formulate an RFC or some other discussion, but that's just advice. If you want to reinstate the BLP discussion, bring it up, if you want to take this to DRV, go do that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- "moot point" I don't understand your comment, "moot point." What do you mean by "moot point," do you mean to say done is done? You invoked your interpretation of the BLPN discussion in your closure of the category discussion. Can we please find out if here is community consensus on your interpretation of the BLPN discussion? It sure seems like you used a BLPN discussion with no consensus and a category discussion with no consensus to justify a category deletion. I'm confused, please explain. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- You can bring that up at WT:BLP. I had no involvement with the BLP discussion but I think it is a moot point at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link. Thank you for engaging in discussion of your action. I see the request for closure WP:ANRFC of the BLPN discussion you linked to was declined, yet your interpretation of the consensus at the BLPN discussion figured prominently in your rationale for your closure of the category discussion. May I respectfully suggest we un-archive the BLPN discussion, and again request a formal, uninvolved closure, so that we may as a community assess the consensus of the BLPN discussion, if any? Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 19:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- The discussion at that time was cross-posted to now-Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive231#109_BLP_articles_labelled_.22Climate_Change_Deniers.22_all_at_once. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
That was a typo. It was just a CFD discussion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Quviahugvik
Request
Hi there! You kindly offered your help at Wikipedia:Bot requests#Help with BAFTA articles. I installed AWB and had a go (after being verified for use), but it just would not work for me. Even trying to do the simple things like "apply general fixes" wouldn't work, let alone my efforts to replace the BAFTA text that I wanted. I don't know if there's something wrong with my download. Anyway, at first I was determined to work it out for myself but now I've been gone from WP for a week and I'm not fussed about that anymore, heh. Any chance you could have a go at fixing those links? I'd be very grateful. Cheers --Loeba (talk) 10:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, Loeba, it is a complicated task. I did some work a while back. First, where is the problem? Are you able to load the pages at all to review them? You would need to use the down down menu to "what links here" and type in "BAFTA Award for Best Film" but I imagine there may be similar redirects there too. It should load all pages that reference it. From there, you need to go to the "Disambiguation" tag and (a) enable disambiguation; (b) put "BAFTA Award for Best Film" in the disambiguation top box and (c) put in the pages that it could be in the main box (I have "BAFTA Award for Best Film", "BAFTA Award for Best British Film" and "BAFTA Award for Best Film Not in the English Language"). Start that it should load the page, pull up a separate box and ask you what to do. There's still quite a number to do though so contact me once the holidays are over if you're still having trouble. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oh I didn't realise you'd already done some of this back when I first mentioned it - that's great, thanks. Yeah I was able to load a list of films but whenever I pressed "start", even trying to do simple changes, it wouldn't do anything. Anyway, I reinstalled it and logged in again and it seems like it may work now (using "what links here" is a good method as well, I was doing a text search before). It's found 473 pages still linking there - ouch, this will take a while! I'll carry on a bit anyway. Thanks again, and merry Christmas --Loeba (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Not everyone needs to be changed. There's a lot where the Best Film is actually to the Best Film overall. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, but it still seems to mean clicking through all of them. Anyway, I'm down to 274 already so it's not too bad. --Loeba (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Ok. Just an FYI but I'd change the default edit summary to something more descriptive like "fixing BAFTA Award for Best Film link" so that's more obvious to people what you're doing. It seems like you got it though. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, but it still seems to mean clicking through all of them. Anyway, I'm down to 274 already so it's not too bad. --Loeba (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Not everyone needs to be changed. There's a lot where the Best Film is actually to the Best Film overall. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oh I didn't realise you'd already done some of this back when I first mentioned it - that's great, thanks. Yeah I was able to load a list of films but whenever I pressed "start", even trying to do simple changes, it wouldn't do anything. Anyway, I reinstalled it and logged in again and it seems like it may work now (using "what links here" is a good method as well, I was doing a text search before). It's found 473 pages still linking there - ouch, this will take a while! I'll carry on a bit anyway. Thanks again, and merry Christmas --Loeba (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Great minds think alike.
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_supercentenarians_who_died_in_2012 Legacypac (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
- As with all these, we shall see what happens. With all the prods and AFDs, WP:AE will necessarily get uglier first before it gets better all around. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Formally request reconsideration of expansion of topic ban
I apologize. Recently we engaged in discussion here on your talk page exchanging frank feedback, in the course of which, I may have offended by neglecting to explicitly, formally request reconsideration of your recent administrative action in your expansion of your topic ban. I apologize for my oversight, and at this time wish to correct my mistake by formally respectfully requesting your kind reconsideration of your expansion of your topic ban. Sorry, and thank you for generous time in your engagement in talk regarding your administrative actions, I know you are busy. Hugh (talk) 00:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Given that there's currently a request at WP:AE regarding the expansion from two weeks ago, it seems like an request at AE is the best approach (possibly within the current one or a separate request) especially given that no one there seems to be support any further sanctions (whether or not the comments should or are stricken). Nevertheless, do you have an alternative proposal? I've tried different formulations of a possible topic scope but those have not worked out for anyone it seems. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply and thank you for soliciting my thoughts regarding an alternative proposal. Thank you for your openness to alternatives. I would be happy to collaborate with you on an alternative. I understand AE is available to me, but as you know my preference and easiest for everyone here is if we can work out this together. Your recent action was an expansion of a topic ban, which as I understand it generally results from persistent problematic editor behavior; therefore, I would please like to begin our collaboration by examining together one or more diffs of edits which you believe demonstrate disruptive editing warranting an expansion of a topic ban. Thank you again for your engagement at talk regarding your administrative action, I know you are busy. Hugh (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- It was in large part because it seems that no one (neither you nor others) were particularly clear what was the intended scope of the ban other than me it seems. That's a poorly thought out topic then. I tried conservative politics with the year 2009 which is when Tea party alleges it began I believe since it seems as though "Tea party politics" is still not a clearly defined term. I'd be fine with retracting it if you have an alternative in mind but it seems that identifying individuals is not ideal especially people like the Koch brothers. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- We agree the previous topic ban was less than ideal, though for different reasons. Regarding your recent administrative action, your recent notice to me was entitled "Expansion of topic ban" and I hope we can agree that since the Tea Party + Kochs is a strict subset of American conservative politics, your recent administrative action was an expansion. I am not an administrator of our project like yourself, just a humble editor and writer, forgive me, but as I understand it one of the explicit considerations in discretionary sanctions enforcement is proportionality of the remedy to the disruption. I believe I could be a better collaborator in formulating an alternative enforcement action if I could better understand the disruption it is intended to prevent. Therefore I respectfully request again, could you please help set the context for our collaboration by offering up one or more diffs of problematic edits by myself that convinced you of the need for an expansion of the topic ban? Thank you again. Hugh (talk) 01:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- It was in large part because it seems that no one (neither you nor others) were particularly clear what was the intended scope of the ban other than me it seems. That's a poorly thought out topic then. I tried conservative politics with the year 2009 which is when Tea party alleges it began I believe since it seems as though "Tea party politics" is still not a clearly defined term. I'd be fine with retracting it if you have an alternative in mind but it seems that identifying individuals is not ideal especially people like the Koch brothers. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply and thank you for soliciting my thoughts regarding an alternative proposal. Thank you for your openness to alternatives. I would be happy to collaborate with you on an alternative. I understand AE is available to me, but as you know my preference and easiest for everyone here is if we can work out this together. Your recent action was an expansion of a topic ban, which as I understand it generally results from persistent problematic editor behavior; therefore, I would please like to begin our collaboration by examining together one or more diffs of edits which you believe demonstrate disruptive editing warranting an expansion of a topic ban. Thank you again for your engagement at talk regarding your administrative action, I know you are busy. Hugh (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
The actual edits were discussed extensively at User talk:Callanecc/Archive 22. If you are asking me to retract it back, it first depends on whether or not you consider Watchdog.org in the scope of the prior topic ban as stated or not. I don't think we need to rehash this all over again. I don't think you found it a violation, I did. User:Callanecc proposed one remedy (and at least saw it as problematic editing), I proposed another and enforced it. I found a broader topic ban more prudent that a block or other violation for two reasons: (1) while somewhat at an issue, this was at a talk page with little evidence of actual edit warring so a block seemed excessive; and (2) even a block would not solve the real issue, which was that the topic ban that I described was not clear enough that others understood what was and what was not in the scope of the topic ban. The broader "all conservative politics 2009 and going forward" hopefully provides a little more clarity. If there's something in particular you think that you can edit productively that doesn't seem to have all the trappings of the articles where there's currently problems (as I noted at AE, I'm aware it's not all you) I'm open to re-wording it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Canvassing via WP:Votestack
[1] and [2]. Both users sided against HughD on the Watchdog.org talk page RFC[3] and no one else was alerted by that editor to the ARE discussion, though there are two other editors that shared HughD's viewpoint. So clearly people supporting a particular side of the previous debate were chosen to be notified. My question for you is if Arbitration decision pages are exempt from WP canvassing policies?Scoobydunk (talk) 07:50, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- No one needs to be alerted to the ARE discussion and no they are not exempt from canvassing policies. The comments have been identified and explained, nothing more is needed than possibly to respond to what others state or more importantly to what the uninvolved admins comments. Canvassing other people to pile on is not going to add anything new to the situation and will not help the situation at all. I suggest Springee immediately stop notifying others about the ARE discussion immediately. I will remark about this as well there as it is causing some concerns. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, Scoobydunk, all these names are starting to blur together for me. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
My apologies and I will strike out, undo or take what ever other steps Ricky thinks are warranted here. Springee (talk) 08:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- What's done is done but I think it's best for you to stop the stick with respect to HughD. If he asks you not to comment on his talk page and if there actually isn't a need to, I'd suggest you do that. Similarly, I don't think you need to inform others about a ARE report. Put the shoe on the other foot, if you were being reported to ARE and others will passing that around, do you think the discussion there would be helped? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Before reading the 08:52 edit I undid the notices. I was hesitant to post on HughD's talk page at all and only posted to ask him to revert a 4RR post. I assumed it was better to ask on his talk page vs the article talk page simple because it was less public. I see your point about the ARE. With regards to HughD, I will drop it. Please note that my interactions with him over the last two months are basically all limited to only one topic which I mentioned on the ARE in response to Fiddlestix. Springee (talk) 09:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Category:Populated places by year of establishment subcats
Several categories, including at least one which you created, have been nominated for possible merging. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)