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Order, clean up third parties by electoral vote ballot access?
Those are 2 suggestions to clear up the article
1. should the parties be ordered by number of electoral votes (subject to repeated change) to make the more significant information earlier accessible for people reading the entire article, or up to a point?
2. should parties with access to 0 electoral votes be removed until they get access? they are clearly not relevant to the election results in any way without access to electoral votes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFIST (talk • contribs) 20:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I agree with both of these suggestions. It makes perfect sense to have the parties listed by order of accessible electoral votes. I might be mistaken, but I think we did do it that way at some point the last time around. I like the second idea also, it seems practical at this point to list only the candidates that have ballot access in at least one state. The others can remain listed on the sub-pages.--Cojovo (talk) 18:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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I also agree with both ideas.It's perfectly sensibleto have 3rd party candidates in order of ballot access ranking, and per WP:WEIGHTto include only parties and and candidates that have confirmed ballot access of some kind. Especially at this stage in the election cycle.--NextUSprez (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)- In regards to #1 I think alphabetical order (what is currently being used) is fine. People are naturally going to search for a party by alphabetical order, not by which party has access to more electoral college votes. We already make the relevant distinctions between the major parties, the third parties with 270+ electoral college votes, and the third parties with less than that. As for suggestion #2 I think that parties with access to 0 electoral votes do not need to be covered on this article and should just be covered on the sub-article. Any party with access to at least 1 electoral vote should remain on the page though. Prcc27 (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've reconsidered suggestion #1, I now agree, per the above reasoning, that alphabetical order works just fine.--NextUSprez (talk) 17:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- What exactly do we do with the Independents? Which ones have ballot access in at least one electoral vote and which ones don't? Prcc27 💋 (talk) 03:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with the thinking of Prcc27 on this. Alphabetical order suffices. List only Third party and Independent candidates that have ballot access to 1 electoral vote.--Rollins83 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Seeing that have consensus at least on point #2, I have removed parties/candidates that currently have no ballot access. Looks like we're fine with the present alphabetical listing order as well.--NextUSprez (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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- I restored the Socialist Party USA ticket, as the SPUSA is one of only eight parties recognized by the FEC and has run candidates for president for decades. The ticket has been covered extensively in the media.--TM 18:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with both of these proposals, namely that 1. parties be listed by number of electoral vote access and 2. Parties with no ballot access be relegated to the third parties page, having no relevance in American politics or discourse. The user above me, 'TM' (or is it Namiba?), is completely lying when they claim that the SP-USA 'ticket' has been covered extensively in the media. The SP-USA and it's candidate, Mimi, have either no media coverage at all or almost none at all. Everyday I am monitoring the so called 'mainstream media' and it's unruly counterpart, the 'alternative media'. Not only is the SP-USA absent from all discourse, it has as much relevance as my own non-existent campaign for the presidency. The SP-USA, and Mimi Soltysik specifically, are not even talked about in the articles of the alternative media, such as TruthDig and AlterNet. It's fair to say the SP-USA has sunken into oblivion and will not be fondly remembered for all of it's non-existence accomplishments, the chief of which was to be trojan horsed by the FBI in previous decades. DarkApollo (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2016 (UTC)DarkApollo
- Digging into it, the Socialist Party is officially qualified in Ohio, giving them access to 18 electoral votes.--TM 14:32, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- A) Ballotpedia is not WP:RS, as it is a user-generated wiki B)"As of October 2013...." dosen't confirm that SP-USA has ballot access in 2016, especially in Ohio with the recent efforts to restrict ballot access for minor parties that have taken place there since that time.--Rollins83 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Digging into it, the Socialist Party is officially qualified in Ohio, giving them access to 18 electoral votes.--TM 14:32, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with both of these proposals, namely that 1. parties be listed by number of electoral vote access and 2. Parties with no ballot access be relegated to the third parties page, having no relevance in American politics or discourse. The user above me, 'TM' (or is it Namiba?), is completely lying when they claim that the SP-USA 'ticket' has been covered extensively in the media. The SP-USA and it's candidate, Mimi, have either no media coverage at all or almost none at all. Everyday I am monitoring the so called 'mainstream media' and it's unruly counterpart, the 'alternative media'. Not only is the SP-USA absent from all discourse, it has as much relevance as my own non-existent campaign for the presidency. The SP-USA, and Mimi Soltysik specifically, are not even talked about in the articles of the alternative media, such as TruthDig and AlterNet. It's fair to say the SP-USA has sunken into oblivion and will not be fondly remembered for all of it's non-existence accomplishments, the chief of which was to be trojan horsed by the FBI in previous decades. DarkApollo (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2016 (UTC)DarkApollo
- I restored the Socialist Party USA ticket, as the SPUSA is one of only eight parties recognized by the FEC and has run candidates for president for decades. The ticket has been covered extensively in the media.--TM 18:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Seeing that have consensus at least on point #2, I have removed parties/candidates that currently have no ballot access. Looks like we're fine with the present alphabetical listing order as well.--NextUSprez (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with the thinking of Prcc27 on this. Alphabetical order suffices. List only Third party and Independent candidates that have ballot access to 1 electoral vote.--Rollins83 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- In regards to #1 I think alphabetical order (what is currently being used) is fine. People are naturally going to search for a party by alphabetical order, not by which party has access to more electoral college votes. We already make the relevant distinctions between the major parties, the third parties with 270+ electoral college votes, and the third parties with less than that. As for suggestion #2 I think that parties with access to 0 electoral votes do not need to be covered on this article and should just be covered on the sub-article. Any party with access to at least 1 electoral vote should remain on the page though. Prcc27 (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Libertarian Party Debate
There is a nationally televised libertarian party presidential candidate debate tonight, given that it is televised on Fox Business I assume that would make it have the same notability as the democratic and republican debates which are mentioned on this page.XavierGreen (talk)
- I'm not sure it does. The LP as a Rump Party doesn't have the same notability as the main parties. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- The LP has also had a lot more debates than just the Stossel debate. They're already mentioned on Wikipedia at "Libertarian Party presidential primaries, 2016" in the "Debate schedule" section. Professorstampede (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2016
George Pataki has endorsed Governor John Kasich now instead of the article saying Marco Rubio.. Random Person 2015 (talk) 01:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Majora (talk) 01:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)- A source: [1] General Ization Talk 01:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
James Mattis
James Mattis is getting a lot of chatter as an alternative to Drumpf. 1 2 You should include Mattis as a possible Republican candidate. Mhoppmann (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- Does GEN Mattis satisfy the requirements for inclusion? Is it still 'must have filed and been included in a major poll/debate'? JMcGowan2 (talk) 17:49, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
He hasn't announced. My understanding is that he would be a candidate put forward at a contested convention. My point is, shouldn't he be mentioned somewhere in the article? There is enough speculation to warrant inclusion, i.e. in a "possible candidates" section. Or would this info be better served to be included in the wiki article about the contested convention (in the event that it happens)?
Mhoppmann (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
George Clooney gearing up for 3rd party run?
http://www.netonenews.com/2016/04/20/report-george-clooney-organizing-3rd-party-run-for-president/
"... Hollywood icon George Clooney appears to be gearing up his own run at the presidency" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.221.119.245 (talk) 19:14, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- That citation dosen't seem to be a WP:RS, and I couldn't find any other recent sources discussing a potential Clooney candidacy. So for the time being at least, I see no reason to add this to the article.--Rollins83 (talk) 11:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
SCOTUS appointment
Does this really deserve its own section in the article? There's no section for other major issues, and there's no evidence that this is the critical issue that will determine the election. It's quite speculative too, since the Senate may still fill the vacancy before the election anyway. 174.2.222.208 (talk) 04:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- All good points. I am favor of removing the SCOTUS section, for the reasons stated above. Are there any objections to doing so?--NextUSprez (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- I think the OP's assessment is spot-on. That section dosen't belong in the article.--Odin'16 (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
- I see that the section has been deleted per this discussion, but FWIW just wanted to add that I agree with the removal based on the well-reasoned rationale of the OP.--Rollins83 (talk) 11:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- I think the OP's assessment is spot-on. That section dosen't belong in the article.--Odin'16 (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2016 (UTC)