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What you call "therapy" I call "advice". However, it was no doubt a mistake to write what I did. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:43, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Therapy is advice. Have you received any of it? If you have, I'm sure you can see that what you're providing to the user is almost identical in nature to what you received in that therapist's office. In any case, I don't see how you can reasonably claim objectivity here, and I have no doubt you understand the concept of recusal. And finally, don't feel the need to convince me; I'm only one guy standing almost alone. I do hope you will at least give some off-wiki thought to what I've said, as I've thought about your comments. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:50, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- @JamesBWatson: I find the oversight removal of my comments from your talk page highly alarming, and I would like to learn what Wikipedia policy I violated. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Nobody suggested that you violated any policy. There was public revealing of personal information which was unsuitable for such public posting. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I have a separate copy of what I wrote, as I wrote it in Notepad. Nothing was "revealed" there that had not already been "revealed" in that thread by both of us. This is a clear and blatant abuse of oversight power, but I don't care to pursue it in court, whichever court that would be. Just walking away, shaking my head at the absence of ethics in a place that supposedly cares about ethics. I'll do my best to avoid you in the future. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- You seem to have misunderstood me. I did not say that it was you who revealed personal information. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:23, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I see, so technical considerations required the oversight of my comments too? My apologies for overreacting. In that case, you wouldn't mind if I re-added my comments? (It would have helped if you had suggested that at 13:11, but never mind.) ―Mandruss ☎ 13:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Your comments referred to (and even briefly quoted from) comments which gave personal information which it would have been better not to have posted on Wikipedia. Your comments were addressed to me, and I have read them and taken them on board, and I have no current intention of pursuing the matter any further. I am not sure that reposting the comments would serve any useful purpose. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not acceptable for reasons that should be obvious, issue dropped. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Your comments referred to (and even briefly quoted from) comments which gave personal information which it would have been better not to have posted on Wikipedia. Your comments were addressed to me, and I have read them and taken them on board, and I have no current intention of pursuing the matter any further. I am not sure that reposting the comments would serve any useful purpose. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I see, so technical considerations required the oversight of my comments too? My apologies for overreacting. In that case, you wouldn't mind if I re-added my comments? (It would have helped if you had suggested that at 13:11, but never mind.) ―Mandruss ☎ 13:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- You seem to have misunderstood me. I did not say that it was you who revealed personal information. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:23, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I have a separate copy of what I wrote, as I wrote it in Notepad. Nothing was "revealed" there that had not already been "revealed" in that thread by both of us. This is a clear and blatant abuse of oversight power, but I don't care to pursue it in court, whichever court that would be. Just walking away, shaking my head at the absence of ethics in a place that supposedly cares about ethics. I'll do my best to avoid you in the future. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Nobody suggested that you violated any policy. There was public revealing of personal information which was unsuitable for such public posting. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Reading comprehension and vocabulary
Hi Mandruss. A small continuation of our discussion on the ref desk talk page: Of course we should endeavor to write clearly, and of course our questions will get better answers if we use the right words. Russell.mo wasn't doing either of those things. But I cut second-language learners a lot of slack that doesn't apply to native speakers. My comment was mostly out of frustration with Bugs. He consistently challenges question askers based on false premises, and it frankly pisses me off. It's ok if he didn't know what Russel.mo was saying, and it's ok if you didn't either. Your line of questioning had the feel of a good faith effort to help someone. Bugs almost never accomplishes that tone. I suppose I also take some of this too personally. I've seen Russel.mo and other ESL users challenged and harrassed repeatedly and unnecessarily in my opinion, and I don't care for it. My main point was that "[user] tagged me" is a not wrong or incorrect. It is true that "[user] pinged me" would be better for use on WP.
Anyway, as for philosophical ramblings: at a quick skim of the articles in the header, I think that vocabulary is essential for reading comprehension. The first says "Reading comprehension and vocabulary are inextricably linked." in the intro to its whole section on vocabulary. I'm sure you could write a few sentences that I cannot easily understand because you use words I don't know. But it does get confusing, because I might be able to ascertain your meaning from context, and so sometimes we can figure out semantic content even if vocabulary is missing. Bottom line is: I probably let my long-term annoyance get the best of me, and I didn't mean to snipe at you personally. Cheers, SemanticMantis (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- @SemanticMantis: The ESL thing is a good point, but even ESLers can learn Wikipedia terminology. It's all there in the documentation. I think it had more to do with not caring about Wikipedia terminology than with ESL. If I had it to do over, I would say the same thing more gently.
- Bugs bugs me too. I'm very direct, sometimes to a fault, so your approach to that issue seems oblique and therefore probably unproductive (maybe even counterproductive). In your place, I think I'd either address it directly with him, or remain silent about it. I'm not in your place, partly because I don't frequent RD as much anymore. Annoyances (or worse) are kind of a way of life at WP anyway.
- You don't have to explain to me that you "didn't mean to snipe" at me. I've yet to see you snipe, and I suspect you're incapable of sniping. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
WP:JR
When renaming a page, for whatever reason, it's not good enough to just move the page. All subpages and review pages have to be moved or have redirects created for them. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- I now see this move in your contribs. Sorry you're "really really tired of this"; I'm not particularly enjoying this task either, and this is the first hint I have received of any problem with the work I've been doing. Where should I look for such subpages and review pages? ―Mandruss ☎ 12:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Same here. Are such things detected automatically? How are you finding them, Hawkeye7? Dicklyon (talk) 14:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, they are not. You have to check the article history for AFD, GA, PR, ACR and FAC. You have to be particularly careful with any article that is currently under review, as page moves can confuse the Bots. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- I wonder whether it would make sense to add all that additional effort to catch the one in, what, 250 or so such cases? You've shown that it's feasible to handle those outliers after the fact. But, if that is not a reasonable expectation, I wouldn't know what to look for in the page history, which would present the question of whether my participation is a net positive. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Don't worry about that – you're doing a ton of great work even if there are some potholes. I suspect such things will be very rare now that we've already done roughly all the articles that how up in the top 500 articles with intitle:jr. Articles with that kind of attention are not likely to be down in the tail, I think. Dicklyon (talk) 00:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- I wonder whether it would make sense to add all that additional effort to catch the one in, what, 250 or so such cases? You've shown that it's feasible to handle those outliers after the fact. But, if that is not a reasonable expectation, I wouldn't know what to look for in the page history, which would present the question of whether my participation is a net positive. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- Here's an example search to find such things: [1]. It's not clear to me how these subpages are accessed; are they linked from somewhere? Is just moving them always the right thing? User:Hawkeye7, can you advise? The first one I check, Talk:Jimmy Reiher, Jr./GA1, is explicitly linked from Talk:Deuce (wrestler) (a move I made over about 16 months ago). Moving it would break this link (unless a redirect is left, which I guess would be the norm). But isn't leaving it OK, too? What do RM closers do about such things? Dicklyon (talk) 04:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like Anthony A sometimes moves subpages, like here. Dicklyon (talk) 04:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)