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2016_Thai_League marked as duplicate of itself by CorenSearchBot
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Thai_League&type=revision&diff=708043926&oldid=708043858 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibicdlcod (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I wrote it down from what I know, it does not contain ANYTHING from youtube, please do your research Gigantopithecusman (talk) 13:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it. The Bot sometimes get false positives – especially on articles containing long lists – that's why there are human reviewers to check. :-) The bot tag means "check this" not "this is bad". — Coren (talk) 13:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Deletionpedia
I have just declined a speedy which was based on this report. Can the bot be programmed to ignore Deletionpedia? JohnCD (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I can but it's probably a very bad idea: even in the cases where the article can reasonably be recreated, picking its old content with a cut-and-paste removes attribution of the original author(s) so it bears a serious double-check. Also, most of the peeps reviewing like to have a big red blinking sign that "this article is a paste of a deleted one". — Coren (talk) 13:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Youtube and a torrent page
Just reporting this bot accounting slapped a "copy" on articles Sachiko (software) and ARSloid. In the case of Sahciko, the description of the video got the information from the Vocaloid wikia, of which I had written and transferred here. In the case of ARSloid, the same thing ocurred, but that article it pulled up was a torrent site, which then slapping a link on a wikipedia article via its template was very naughty of it to do.
Regardless, both article pages have been adapted for here by me so their not word by word transfers, but there was enough like wording left I suppose to catch both articles. The trouble is there really isn't much one can write about those subjects that would end up the same. Its like asking a person to describe water, there are only so many ways you can. Neverless, I thought I'd report this because I have concerns when a bot links to a torrent site. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 08:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think that's an issue; the link is to something findable via a search on the Web (because that's what the bot does) and is necessary for the human reviewer to figure out what the text is similar to. Either way, unavoidable or accidental similarity is something said human reviewers understand. :-) — Coren (talk) 13:17, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
CorenBot message regarding Rouben Abrahamian
Hey dear CorenBot,
You left me a note regarding the assumption that content was copied and pasted on the Rouben Abrahamian page. However, I checked the duplicator tool, and the "overlap" stemmed merely from the fact that I copy pasted the titles of his works and publications all the way down below. Just wanted to let you know that you were probably fooled by that. :-) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
False positive, matching a Wikipedia clone
CorenSearchBot's suspected copyvio on United States presidential election in Hawaii, 2016 is outright absurd. The matched page is a Wikipedia clone, and all the pages have in common is a couple of transcluded templates. If not disregarded altogether, Wikipedia clones should at least be treated the way other Wikipedia pages are treated: disregarding templates, the two pages might have in common. Regards, PanchoS (talk) 06:12, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Hi PanchoS, note that the bot did not tag this article (and indeed no longer flags against that particular WP clone). The user who created it pasted that notice in with the rest of the text as you can see in the edit summary of the first edit to that page: [1]. This is its own problem, as that makes this article an unattributed copy/paste. Easily fixed but still an issue to be aware of. They've apparently done this to several states' articles: [2] CrowCaw 23:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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- @Crow: Ouch, true. CorenBot however did suspect quite a few articles based on that particular WP clone, before I made sure it is being added to the blacklist. I'm wondering if we can be slightly more diligent in autodetecting Wikipedia clones, not necessarily to automatically exclude them from copyvio comparisons, but at least treating them like original Wikipedia content, by placing
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- @Crow: Ouch, true. CorenBot however did suspect quite a few articles based on that particular WP clone, before I made sure it is being added to the blacklist. I'm wondering if we can be slightly more diligent in autodetecting Wikipedia clones, not necessarily to automatically exclude them from copyvio comparisons, but at least treating them like original Wikipedia content, by placing
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- PanchoS: Generally I try to add the clones as I see them. All the bot's reports get listed at WP:SCV which is heavily backlogged Shameless plug, any help there would be most appreciated! so it may be a couple of weeks before they get eyes on them. Oftentimes, as with these election articles, the author has made a bunch of similar articles in the meantime and has been spammed about them. The "problem" is that the bot often can't tell what is a pure WP clone and what is not, so finding the criteria with which to pick the softer message is difficult. (@Coren: Perhaps if the target page includes a link back to WP, it gets the softer warning, since at least the site is complying with the attribution?). Additionally, there are lots of sites that mirror WP articles but also pull in content from lots of other places, so whitelisting them would not be appropriate since not all of the content is freely licensed. At the risk of another shameless plug, I think ultimately the best solution is faster clearing of the copyvio boards so the authors can get an explanation of why the bot left that message, and ways to prevent it (or letting them know it is safe to remove/ignore). Thanks! CrowCaw 15:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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- @Crow: Not saying we should whitelist those sites. But remember, it's not the Wikipedia user's fault, whether the WP mirror does or does not provide a backlink for attribution. So I think we should throw the softer warning at the WP user, whenever a particular page is found using Wikipedia as a source. A backlink would be the easiest case, but even without a backlink it shouldn't be all to complicated. This would avoid unappropriately harsh messages, before a new WP mirror gets blacklisted. I'm ready to help you guys, though I've never looked into the sourcecode of CSB. Cheers, PanchoS (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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- PanchoS I completely agree, it is just finding the criteria that the Bot can use to identify a true WP mirror. You can peruse the source code at the bot's main user page. It is currently not operational, as the tool it used (Yahoo Boss) has ceased operating, so the existing code will need to be tweaked anyway to adapt to whichever service Coren re-codes it to use; this does present an opportunity of sorts to see if this scenario can be coded in. Thanks, CrowCaw 16:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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CorenSearchBot
Hi. I am an administrator and bureaucrat Ukrainian Wikipedia and would like you to know whether it is possible to have your bot worked in our section? What you need? Sorry for my bad English. If you answer me, please use {{ping}}. With its global notification messages I receive your reply. Thanks. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 00:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- Привет, @Максим Підліснюк: Deploying CSBot to another language wiki using an alphabetic script is generally not very hard, but you will need to have someone familiar with the wiki and its policies to administer it (in particular, you need someone to set up project space pages for its reports, suitably localized message templates, and someone who is willing and able to manage the bot configuration and respond to user requests).
If you have someone willing to do so already (perhaps yourself?), please point them to my talk page, and we can start the process. — Coren (talk) 10:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- I am willing to work with you to localize bot. If my technical knowledge is not enough, I will ask help from other users. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 10:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Максим Підліснюк: Fair enough. I'm currently in Jerusalem, but I'll be back home in a couple of days and I'll sit down with you at that time to work this out. In the meantime, you may want to create an account on Wikitech if you don't already have one. — Coren (talk) 08:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- I created account in wikitech. Waiting for you. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 09:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Максим Підліснюк: Fair enough. I'm currently in Jerusalem, but I'll be back home in a couple of days and I'll sit down with you at that time to work this out. In the meantime, you may want to create an account on Wikitech if you don't already have one. — Coren (talk) 08:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- I am willing to work with you to localize bot. If my technical knowledge is not enough, I will ask help from other users. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 10:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hey Coren, as you may have noticed, CorenSearchBot has been down since April 2nd. Is there anything that the Community Tech team can do to help CorenSearchBot migrate to the new API? I put some notes for you at phabricator:T131169. Kaldari (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2016 (UTC)