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- 2 Thank you!
- 3 Socks
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- 33 Gratitude and a question
A question
Hello Alex Bakharev!
I have a question. My Russian ain't that top notch these days I can self-admit, but I feel like someone is playing with us. I couldn't find it in his given "link", but perhaps you can? According this certain user (who's willing to war about it) this piece of information "should confirm" this content he added in front of it; "Some cession treaties were signed by individual Azeri khans, such as Ibrahim Khalil Khan (Treaty of Kurakchay), Huseyngulu Khan who ceded Baku Khanate and Mustafa Khan who ceded Shirvan Khanate." I think he's frauding with us, as I couldn't find anything in it that stipulated that this happened. Funnily enough (and much to the pain of such nationalists), I did find this information;
"Semenov YI National policy in imperial Russia. Civilised outskirts (Finland, Poland, the Baltic states, Bessarabia, Ukraine, the Caucasus, Central Asia - Caucasus as a whole. "The treaty of eternal peace and friendship signed between the Emperor of Russia and the Persian state in the Russian camp in the town of Gulistan in the river Zeyva, through appointed to both sides and of confirmed mutual agreement. (...) The treaty was concluded between His Majesty the Emperor of Russia and His Majesty the Shah of Persia. - For the peace between Russia and Persia. Regarding the policy to revise the Transcaucasian region, orders are given to Senator E.I Mechnikov, to transform the management system in the South Caucasus and the colonization of the region (between 1830 - January 20, 1831)."
Am I correct with both my findings here? Regarding the unsourced addition of that material an this quote I added here above? I had Suvorov on my watchlist, and saw that you edited it not that long ago, so I wondered whether you could help me out with this one. I hope this wasn't too much asked from you, btw. :-) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 02:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, User:LouisAragon. You are certainly right with the second finding. Regarding the first, the user might be acting in good faith (I am not sure what statement they were trying to prove by the reference). The link is a table of content and a download link that after registration allows to download a word file with a collection of 19th century Russian official documents (compiled by Semenov Y I). The section Б. Восточное Закавказье (Eastern Transcaucasia) that starts on page 195 of the word document) is related to the modern Azerbaijan. There are a number of documents of granting individual khans Russian citizenship, some rank within the Empire and/or gifts and thanking them for giving their khanates to the tsars, there are a number of documents from individual khans swearing allegiance to Russia and renouncing allegiance to Persia. One document mentions an agreement between the khan and Russian general Tsitsianov:
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- № 81. Грамота императора Александра I 21 мая 1805 года о принятии Селим-хана Шакинского в подданство России
- Божиею поспешествующею милостью мы, Александр Первый, император и самодержец всероссийский, московский, киевский... и проч., и проч.. Нам любезно-верноподданному шакинской земли владельцу Селим-хану наша императорская милость и благоволение. Снисходя на прошение Ваше, изъявленное нашему генералу от инфантерии, кавказскому инспектору и главно-управляющему Грузией князю Цицианову, вступить в вечное подданство Российской империи, и видя нелицемерные знаки сего желания, равно как и преданности Вашей к высокому нашему престолу в заключенных Вами с помянутым генералом от инфантерии и князем Цициановым условиях, утверждаем и признаем Вас,, нашего любезно-верноподданного, владетелем ханства Шакинского под верховным покровительством, державой и защитой Российской империи, приемля Вас и дом Ваш и всех шакинской земли жителей в число наших верноподданных, обещая Вам и преемникам Вашим нашу императорскую милость и благоволение. Приняв за благо все статьи постановления, заключенного по взаимному согласию Вашему с нашим генералом от инфантерии князем Цициановым мая 21-го дня 1805 г., каковое слово от слова при сей жалованной нашей грамоте прилагается, утверждаем оное во всей силе нашим императорским словом на вечные времена ненарушимо за нас и преемников наших. Для славы дома Вашего и в память нашей императорской милости к Вам и законным преемникам Вашим, шакинским ханам, жалуем Вам знамя с гербом Российской империи и саблю, которые повелеваем хранить в доме Вашем наследственно и при каждой перемене нового преемника испрашивать высочайшего утверждения в звании хана Шакинского нашими императорскими грамотами, которые, равно как и сия, по неизреченному милосердию нашему будут к Вам всемилостивейше посылаемы. За сим поручая Вам управлять шакинским народом с кротостью и правосудием, пребываем [уверены], что Вы и наследники Ваши как в преданности Вашей к нашему [престолу], так и в точном выполнении Ваших обязанностей пребудете непоколебимы. [ ] и в залог монаршей нашей к Вам и народу шакинскому милости дана сия императорская наша грамота за собственноручным нашим подписанием и с приложением государственной печати в престольном нашем граде Святого Петра июля 10-го дня в лето от Рождества Христова тысяча восемьсот пятое и царствования нашего в пятое.
- АЛЕКСАНДР
- Князь Адам Чарторыский
- Печатается по изданию: Под стягом России. Сборник архивных документов. М., 1992. С.288-289.
I guess that on top with the treaty with Persian Pasha, the Tsar and his government negotiated with individual khans sometimes ending up with a formal agreements, sometimes with an informal agreements that the khan would swear allegiance to Russia and in exchange would get some position within the Empire and/or gifts. Obviously those negotiations would only make sense if Persia would not be able to stop the power transfer. The last but not least the documents related to the khans are of 1805 and the Treaty of Gulistan is signed in 1813. There events are 8 years apart. Alex Bakharev (talk)
- @Alex Bakharev:, thanks alot for your prompt response! Would you thus agree with me that adding such information to a general country's overview article (Azerbaijan) would be WP:UNDUE as well as clear (at least partial) source manipulation? These treaties would indeed as you correctly say, only viable if Persia would not be able to stop them, however, unfortunately they were still at war until 1813, and Persia did not ratify any of these treaties while the borders constantly changed. I wanted to assume GF firstly as well, but then I realised the user who added this stuff simply wanted to make it seem as if what is modern-day Azerbaijan got "independance" from Persia earlier than 1813, which is nonsensical in his particular way of describing the story. It can be added, with better sources, to articles such as Treaty of Kurekchay etc, but simply not there. Alex, perhaps you can, if you have time, post a comment about it here? Me and another user already clearly stated that it should be removed (note also that the user who decided to add it to the article has a history of making such "related" edits, as I demonstrated down below the talk page with a diff) but perhaps your new comment can decisively end it as it would be three well-established argumentations vs 1 not well established one. After all, its a GA article, thus I believe the effort is worth it. Bests and thanks again. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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- @Alex Bakharev:, you won't be able to? No problem if you can't, but I'd like to know if so, whenever you have time to reply :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, Louis. I was away from wiki for a couple of weeks. I will look into the discussion (although I am ignorant in the subject manner). Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:46, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Alex Bakharev:, heh, I noticed, no problem. A comment, for the archiving record there would be nice indeed, if possible. A happy new year in advance btw! )) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you!
For blocking personal attacks against my user page. -Darouet (talk) 08:30, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
- Any time Alex Bakharev (talk) 09:59, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Socks
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aleksey_Mozgovoy&curid=44101431&action=history would you take a look at this? seems like 2 socks at work.--Lute88 (talk) 01:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Blocked Alex Bakharev (talk) 01:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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Legal threat
Hello, I'm asking your advice/action with regards to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ramil_Garifullin. I believe that among other things, this statement Ramil Garifullin told me that if would be continued against him as slander in the discussion of Wikipedia, he is libel to sue against Fedor Babkin. is a clear violation of WP:NLT. Since the contributions of Irek Minnullin are exclusively related to the promotion of Ramil Garifullin, I'm asking you to block him permanently. He also threatened me in ruwiki, and I already filed a request to admins there, see ru:Википедия:Запросы_к_администраторам#.D0.A3.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B7.D0.B0_.D1.81.D1.83.D0.B4.D0.BE.D0.BC. Fedor Babkin (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Good block! Thanks, Yaroslav! Alex Bakharev (talk) 21:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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I think the page is going to need a lot longer of a lock extension; Look at the talk page, it's pretty nasty, and I don't see this issue being resolved in a few days, seeing what high emotions have ended up erupting over the article, despite cooler heads attempting to prevail.
I ask that you judge whether or not the article lock should be extended, as honestly, I don't see this issue being resolved so fast (unless more editors get involved). Solntsa90 (talk) 22:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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pechory monastery pictures
Thank you for putting the pictures in a gallery. I didn't know how to do it. I visited the monastery in October 2013.Koos van den beukel (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I visited it a few times long time ago in Soviet period, it looked like an oasis of a different life then. Wish to visit it again sometime. Regarding the gallery tags - I guess nobody knows all the usable wikipedia macros, tags and format details. Only cooperative editing allows to use the full potential of those gadgets. Cheers Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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Ivan Kozhedub
Dear User: Alex Bakharev, there is a discussion about Ivan Kozhedub's place of birth on the talk page [1], the matter concerns the problem of status of Ukrainian SSR. I would be very glad to hear your opinion! Best regards, Ушкуйник (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
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- OK, it sounds fair. No need for the flag here, the war faction controlling his village at the time of birth is not that important to advertise it with flags. Alex Bakharev (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, I don't understand why describing the Aidar Battalion as extreme-right wing in this article is an issue. The links are well established: just look at the references in its wiki page. While I understand your argument that a military formation is not right or left (although the Waffen-SS are a counter-example), in this particular case it is not valid since the Aidar battalion was not a military structure at that time. It was a unit of volunteers paid by an oligarch. Why would we conceal this (maybe unpleasant) piece of information to the readers?
- The references on the wiki-page said nothing about the battalion being far right, they said that some members of the battalion have fierce far right views and that some members were accused of human right violations. I still do not understand how a military formation (whether being conscripted or volunteered) can be a far right. The purpose of military formation is not related to politics, same goes for metallurgical plants, mines, software companies, etc whether they are own by oligarchs or not. The sources probably allow us to state that Aidar Battalion has links with far right. But in Nadya Savchenko's article it will be an accusation by association and violation of WP:BLP Alex Bakharev (talk)
Dear Alex,
Dear Alex, thank you for your answer and suggestions. I have edited the article and inserted references as it should be according to Wikipedia rules. Wikipedia team has also contacted me on this matter and explained that i should insert links another way. Again thank you for you help. Sincerely, Giorgi.
--Giorgi55555 (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, I'd like to talk to you regarding the reversion of my edit to the page Ramzan Kadyrov, specifically my removal of the honor killings section and your subsequent re-addition. To begin, my original intent was to remove the information, as it was only supported by a broken link. However, it seems you have rectified this in fixing the link and routing it to the original article; however, in this, another issue with the information has arisen. The article itself, in fact, does not quote President Kadyrov saying that he believes women to be property of their husbands, but this is rather a conclusion reached by the author. At best, in this case, it should be stated instead that it is 'alleged he views women as property...', or 'some sources have suggested that he views women as property...'. My main concern is, that as it is, this information has been used to slander Mr. Kadyrov in otherwise intellectual debates, and while it can be easily pointed out that this is based on opinion, not a quoted fact, it can be easily dismissed, in upholding the information, it makes us appear somewhat biased against him. I don't know if you would take issue with this, but I believe I have a strong case for, at least, altering what is said. That said, I wanted to consult with you, as the one who reverted my first attempt at this, in hopes of avoiding potential edit warring. Would you agree?
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I've opened an RFC on Talk: Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation on the question
"Should the information about opinion polls, currently in the subsection Crimean public opinion be moved into the subsection Crimean status referendum?"
As you recently edited this talk page, I thought you might like to share your views. Kalidasa 777 (talk) 23:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Alex, you may wish to comment. Kind regards -- Marek.69 talk 01:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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Gratitude and a question
I'd like to thank you for creating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evsei_Vainrub back in 2007, as he happens to be my great-grandfather (the father of the father of my mother) and I was very happy to find that he did have a Wikipedia page- I was wondering, did you know him personally, or find some source on him? I also noticed that neither his Russian nor English articles mentioned anything about his family. Because of this, I am hesitant to start editing it, as I am afraid that people might not think my claim of ancestry is enough. In addition, what would I cite as my sources for these edits? Thank you! PutinOnTheRitz (talk) 14:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
- I am afraid the answer is No, I am not connected to Evsei_Vainrub and actually I can hardly claim the authorship of the article. A good editor who for some reason preferred to work without creating an account has requested me to create a number of stubs (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Russia/New_article_announcements/February_2007 for details) so he could develop them into articles. Unfortunately he has changed his plans and the stubs are in sorry state even today. If you could improve them it would be great. I do not think the IP user who requested those articles was particularly interested in Vainrubs, judging from his contributions he has a general interest to military leaders with Jewish roots. Alex Bakharev (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)