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Contents
- 1 Dzungar genocide
- 2 Merry Christmas!
- 3 Disambiguation link notification for January 21
- 4 Weird page moves
- 5 Chatterton Baronets
- 6 Your edit to the page Arya Vaishya's
- 7 Hainan Seamen
- 8 User names.
- 9 O Come, All Ye Faithful
- 10 Portrait of Mrs Thrale by Reynolds
- 11 Thanks for your support
- 12 Nordic Resistance Movement flag
- 13 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
- 14 William Schaw Lindsay
- 15 More on Lindsay
- 16 Citation problems with the Lindsay collection at the Caird library
- 17 Please type your message title here
- 18 Problems! Problems! Problems!
- 19 Please type your message title here
- 20 Please type your message title here
- 21 References for the volumes of Lindsay's Journal
Dzungar genocide
Hi, can you look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dzungar_genocide? Rajmaan is posting clearly biased contents.
Done
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Weird page moves
Howdy Phil! There is a strange situation that, as I look through the logs, seems to be happening every 2 days. A new user is creating a page in their sandbox, then moving an unrelated disambiguation page to the title that matches the subject of their sandbox, editing the disambiguation page to effectively restore it, then copy/pasting their sandbox into the moved article.
That description is probably confusing, so here are the details of the situations (the most recent is first):
User:Jacob of Marshes created text for The Eternity Rose in their sandbox (it's still there).
- Jacob then moved Failsworth (disambiguation) to The Eternity Rose.
- Jacob then edited Failsworth (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
- Jacob then copied their sandbox and put it in The Eternity Rose.
User:Lametwig created text for Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah is their sandbox (it's still there).
- Lametwig then moved Eastern Bank (disambiguation) to Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah.
- Lametwig then edited Eastern Bank (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
- Lametwig then copied their sandbox and put it in Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah.
User:Graytheme created text for Greg Becker is their sandbox (it's still there).
- Graytheme then moved Kaffraria (disambiguation) to Greg Becker.
- Graytheme then edited Kaffraria (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
- Graytheme then copied their sandbox and put it in Greg Becker.
No sandox for this next one:
- User:Debssin moved QFX (disambiguation) to COS Australia.
- Debssin then edited QFX (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
- Debssin then added over 7k of text to COS Australia.
User:Akram Butt 90 created text for Greg Becker is their sandbox (it's still there).
- Akram Butt 90 then moved Dabar (disambiguation) to Benhar Office Interiors.
- Akram Butt 90 then edited Dabar (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
- Akram Butt 90 then copied their sandbox and put it in Benhar Office Interiors.
The contributions of each of these editors are only the edits to perform the above. They have no other edits.
At this point, only the minor contribution histories of the two disambiguation pages are in the wrong place, but this seems rather strange. I wonder if this is going on with pages with more substantial histories. As to the inevitable question of why I put this here, I thought that this might trigger a memory of yours or of one of your talk page watchers of a similar situation from the past. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 12:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) These all needs histmerges but I'll leave it for the moment so that people can see what's going on. My first instinct on seeing this is that it is being done by undisclosed paid editors in an attempt to bypass new pages patrol for their spammy, COI articles. It's actually quite smart what they're doing so it wouldn't surprise if this was just a small part of a bigger problem. I think we'll need a checkuser to look into this, pinging Bbb23. Jenks24 (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Jenks24. "Circumvention" was the first thing that sprang to mind for such odd behavior. A CU should uncover the facts, and well spotted Niceguyedc!. Philg88 ♦talk 12:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- I've checked,
Confirmed, and blocked all the accounts. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Highstakes00.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Bbb23: Based on the above pattern, there's one more from January 2016 (I've looked through the rest of the month):
- -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 18:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- I've checked,
- Thanks Jenks24. "Circumvention" was the first thing that sprang to mind for such odd behavior. A CU should uncover the facts, and well spotted Niceguyedc!. Philg88 ♦talk 12:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
@Niceguyedc: All sorted, I think. Thanks again for the detective work. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
More shenanigans
Pinging Bbb23 for the CU, Jenks24 for the history merge. From the Draft space now:
- User:Graveldi: Draft:TinyCOBOL -> Eternity Rose
- User:O-j33: Draft:"A Hard Road to Glory" -> Benhar Office Interiors LLC
Also, would any of you prefer that I post this somewhere else? I have a feeling these shenanigans aren't going to stop. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 10:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Not surprised they use the Draft + Move now, since those moves are also excluded from New Page Patrol. (Perhaps propose policy change to include those??) I heard about similar moves a while back in the Teahouse. I guess the paid editor has taken the money from their clients and now has to "deliver" any way possible or risk dissatisfied customers. Don't think we've seen the last of this. w.carter-Talk 11:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Chatterton Baronets
Thanks very much for improving the page on the first Sir James and creating the page on his son. Chrisdoyleorwell (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- You're welcome, Chris. Alas, there wasn't enough material to create a decently referenced article on his brother, William Abraham, so I had to put what I had in their father's article. BTW, I see your talk page has >200 messages and if you'd like to get rid of the clutter I could set up auto-archiving for you such that only the last ten messages remain. If you're interested, just shout. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 22:48, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks that would be great Chrisdoyleorwell (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Done A friendly bot will come along shortly and magically archive all your old messages. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Your edit to the page Arya Vaishya's
If your intentions is to protect Wikipedia with coherent articles then I have a similar view. The article Arya Vaishya had been corrected but you reverted it to the version with errors.
For example: The article talks about a particular community called Arya Vaishya's but gives references to other community not related in any way called the Balijas. What purpose does it serve rather than confuse readers or give misleading information?
Would be glad to discuss this further to make this discussion meaningful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.113.187 (talk) 00:06, 29 January 2016
- @122.172.113.187: Let me quote Sitush's comment from the edit history of Arya Vaishya: "Stop spamming and put forth points of discontent in the Talk page". I trust that's clear. Philg88 ♦talk 05:49, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Hainan Seamen
Oh, yes. You heard right, Hainan Seamen. A football club. Don't get me started on the name. Notable? Sources? Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hmm. Never heard of them. Don't recall ever seeing a football stadium in Haikou and never came across any locals or expats talking about them. Conclude from that what you will
. Unless there are oodles of Chinese sources out there that article shouldn't be here. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 13:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'll post at project football and they can take it from here. Cheers! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
User names.
Hello Philg88, I noticed you blocked [1] earlier today. Just minutes before that account was created, a highly similar accountname was created [2] (handy for block evasion). Maybe they have nothing to do with eachother, maybe they do, so I thought I'd let you know anyways. Horseless Headman (talk) 20:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC).
- Hey Horseless Headman, thanks for the heads up. The other account hasn't made any edits yet so it's hard to say if they're connected. We shall wait and see what happens. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
O Come, All Ye Faithful
Maybe I don't understand how this works. Before the move, the article had a bunch of redirects, now it has one. What will happen to all the uses of the other redirects? ―Mandruss ☎ 17:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hey Mandruss, long time no hear! I think that all the previous redirects pointed to where the article now is and are hence unnecessary. Nothing is ever removed from Wikipedia, it's all there somewhere (except in certain extreme cases, of which this isn't one). Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Mandruss: The redirects were still pointing at the original title. The double redirect fixing bot has been slow lately, so I cleaned up those redirects. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 05:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info Niceguyedc. Philg88 ♦talk 05:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- long time no hear! - Yes, I think of you whenever I visit Motor Torpedo Boat PT-109 (just the other day, actually). So long ago, so far away... ―Mandruss ☎ 10:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- ...In a galaxy far away. I'd forgotten about that map so thanks for the trip down memory lane
. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 12:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- ...In a galaxy far away. I'd forgotten about that map so thanks for the trip down memory lane
- @Mandruss: The redirects were still pointing at the original title. The double redirect fixing bot has been slow lately, so I cleaned up those redirects. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 05:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Portrait of Mrs Thrale by Reynolds
This a black and white photo of a picture which you have put on wikicommons I believe. Would you happen to know where the original painting hangs? David Titley [I work at Samuel Johnson's Birthplace in Lichfield] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.37.24 (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi 78.151.37.24 and thanks for the message. Alas, I have no clue but I would imagine there is a provenance list of all paintings by Sir Joshua Reynolds somewhere out there. Sorry I can't be of more help. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 05:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your support
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- You're welcome. Acquisition of the mop was well deserved. Feel free to drop by any time. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 06:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Nordic Resistance Movement flag
User:Budimir Jermolov keep introducing the wrong party flag on the Nordic Resistance Movement can you please stop him. i have a source proving the correct version http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/se%7Dnaz.html Dannis243 (talk) 12:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi there Dannis243 and thanks for the message. I have warned Budimir Jermolov about edit warring and I suggest that both of you use the article's talk page to resolve the issue. Philg88 ♦talk 15:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- User:Dannis243, your "link" have nothing to do with the Resistance Movement, it´s a flagproject. It´s not a part of NRM. I just added the right version, and you started it...--Budimir Jermolov (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Guys, please take your discussion to the appropriate venue while keeping it civil and within Wikipedia rules. Thanks. Philg88 ♦talk 22:45, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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William Schaw Lindsay
Hello Phil. You've pre-empted me! I've been intending to start a Wiki on WSL for ages but, being an inexperienced wiki editor I've given it a low priority. In association with Bill Lindsay, WSL's g-g grandson, I'm attempting to write WSL's biography. I'm about a quarter of the way through the task. It's a vast subject and I've got an incredible amount of information including most of Hilda Kirkwood's transcribed versions of WSL's Journal which I've converted to Word form. I hope you won't mind my contributing to your article. Regards, Robert Cutts, Bristol UK Bristol Filer (talk) 09:15, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi there Bristol Filer and thanks for the message. You're more than welcome to contribute to the bio of this remarkable individual. If you need help with formatting or other Wikipedia matters of style and content, please feel free to ask. Don't forget that you will need references for anything that you add. Your goal should be to get the article to good or featured status! Cheers. Philg88 ♦talk 10:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
More on Lindsay
Hello Phil. I've added more details of WSL's parliamentary career in the opening paragraph. I've also linked to constituencies rather than towns. I would like to cite Clark pp 292-294 at the end of this paragraph but I can't work out how to do it. Please help! The next thing I propose to do is to add detail to the opening paragraph of the Career section. It would start something like (revised since last night): "Lindsay was born in Ayr in south-west Scotland, the youngest by five years of the five children of Joseph Lindsay, a merchant of Ayr, and his wife Mary, née Belch. A few months before the birth, Joseph’s business failed. He took to drink, left the family and died four years later. When Lindsay’s birth was due, his mother, by then homeless, was given temporary shelter in the manse of her brother-in-law, the Rev William Schaw. He was the minister in Ayr of the Burgher Secession Church and his wife, Janet, was Mary’s older sister. The birth took place during a violent nocturnal storm in the early hours of 19 December 1815. On New Year’s Day 1816, Lindsay was baptised by his uncle. Soon after, he was taken by his mother to the Gorbals in Glasgow where, for 10 years until her death in 1825, she eked out a living taking in lodgers. During that time, Lindsay’s schooling was rudimentary. After his mother's death, he returned to Ayr where, for five years, he was brought up by his uncle and aunt. They sent him to Ayr Academy where a distinguished new rector, Dr John Memes had just been installed. . . . " The citations for this would come mainly from the Lindsay collection in the Caird library at Greenwich ( http://collections.rmg.co.uk/archive/objects/531575.html ). They would have batch numbers such as LND/35/1 Followed by the page numbers. If you think this too much detail, please say so, but I must say that he such an important person that he deserves to be treated in an appropriate way. Regards, Robert--Bristol Filer (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Welcome back Robert When you want to cite a website use the
{{Cite web}}
template - click on the link to see the documentation. That said, there is a problem with what you propose since the link you provide only provides an overview of WSL, not the specific details you propose to add. What you need to do is to find a specific citation in a relevant book, website or newspaper and use the appropriate template ({{Cite book}}, {{Cite web}} or {{Cite news}}). If you're unclear about anything don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 07:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Citation problems with the Lindsay collection at the Caird library
Thanks Phil. Yes, I can see there's problem with the Caird library documentation. Hilda Kirkwood's transcriptions of Lindsay's Journal (which are held there) are not published on-line and I don't think the Library has any intention of doing this in the future. As I told you, I've further transcribed them into Word form. I've also put PDF versions on my Google drive both of Kirkwood's original typescript and of my transcriptions of them of them. I would be happy to put them in the public domain, but I need to get permission from the Library first. I'm going there early next month and I will put the idea to them. However, they weren't very happy about it last time I broached the matter a couple of years ago. Meanwhile, you're welcome to view them yourself providing you don't put them on-line. To be able to have access to them you would need to give me your email address or some other identification. By the way, Clark made many references to documents in the WSL collection at the Caird Library. If he can do that, I don't see why I shouldn't do the same. After all, anyone who wants to can go to the Caird Library and see them themselves. My citations would give a batch number such as LND/35/1 along with the particular page number(s). Regards, Robert (or Bob if you like). PS – Sorry this is all in one paragraph. I don't know how to do a carriage return! --Bristol Filer (talk) 08:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sources don't have to be online as long as you cite a specific reference, so providing you use the batch/page number there won't be an issue. Of course, if the library would release the documents to Wikisource that would be so much the better. As for Clark, he wasn't writing for Wikipedia ... Best, Philg88 ♦talk 10:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hello again Phil
I'm still having trouble with constructing a reference for the Caird Library items. I didn't find any of the four templates satisfactory so I thought I'd copy the format of the American Papers reference that you added. But, when I click on [edit] in the References section, it isn't there! Then I looked at the Wiki of Lindsay's friend Richard Cobden. That has 33 notes in the Reference section but, when you click on edit, you can't see any of them! Please tell me where they are. How can I edit an existing reference (if I wanted to) if I can't see it?
Btw, Bill (WSL's g-g grandson, William Stewart Lindsay) is currently transcribing The American papers of W S Lindsay 1861-1866 with the introduction by Dr. Geoffrey Seed, University of St Andrews [Scotland]. Do you know if they're the same as the American Papers at University of Missouri? If they're already transcribed, I should let Bill know before he waste any more time on the job.
Sorry to be a pain, Bob--Bristol Filer (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- No problem, Bob, editing Wikipedia has a fairly steep learning curve to start with. References don't appear in the "References" section but rather in the text where they are enclosed by a <ref> </ref> pair of tags. If you click on the small upward pointing arrow to the left of the reference in the "References" section that will take you back to where the reference appears in the article text and you can then edit the appropriate section. Sorry, I have no idea about the American Papers, maybe you could send an email to the University to ask. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 07:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Problems! Problems! Problems!
Thanks yet again Phil. I really do appreciate you're help – and I am learning slowly. I do most of my learning by copying the format of other people's work. It certainly was a bit difficult to do it that way in the case of the references!
I now have a problem of a different sort. I'm afraid that there are a few errors in the WS Wiki as it stands (for example the ship he took to Liverpool was not a collier, she was the George Burns packet steamer, the Glasgow which sailed from the Broomielaw Quay in Glasgow direct to Liverpool ). I attempted to put them right piecemeal (working off-line) but found it more satisfying – though certainly not quicker – to start from scratch. The process has resulted in what, if I continued in that vein, would become a very long article. I've only reached the point at which he gives up his life at sea and yet have written over 3000 words. The problem is – and, as problems go, it's really quite a pleasant one – that his life was incredibly interesting. At the rate I'm going it would be about 12,000 words in all. As a comparison, here are a few examples of articles and their word lengths:
- Richard Cobden Wiki (his life was relatively short – like WSL he died aged 61) – 6500
- John Bright Wiki – 7800
- WE Gladstone Wiki – 12,800
- Michael Clark's Northern Mariner Lindsay article – 12,800
- Michael Clark's chapter on Lindsay in his History of Scotland book (not online but I have a copy of it) – 6400
I would feel quite bad about merely replacing the work you have done so far. The alternative would be to go back to the piecemeal method. I would welcome your thoughts on the matter. To help you make a judgement, by the end of this morning I will put what I've written so far on my talk page – if I can work out how to do that! If you're really unhappy about what I'm doing I would put what I'm writing on a separate website, probably a Google one. A link to that site could then be put in the WSL Wiki for the benefit of anyone who wants more detail. However, I must say, that would not be my favourite solution.
Best wishes, Bob --Bristol Filer (talk) 10:25, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Phil
I've done the whole thing, it's on my sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bristol_Filer/sandbox although the latter part needs some more detail. It's not as long as thought it would be – about 3400 words. The estimate I made was based on a miscalculation! Sorry to alarm you. I reckon when I've expanded the last pat it'll be 5000 words. I'm busy italicising the ship names and doing indents.
Regards, Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bristol Filer (talk • contribs) 12:59, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Bristol Filer: I'm assuming that your Sandbox contains only a draft. What you have created has no references, insufficient internal links to relevant topics and needs to be broken into sections with an appropriate headings. There should be a minimum of one reference per paragraph. Removing/replacing referenced content is a retrograde step, so I would advise that you try and integrate your work with what is already there rather than aiming for wholesale replacement. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 14:43, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Yes it's a draft, Phil. I'm currently adding links and references. I'm also adding the material in the existing article into the draft rather than the other way round. I will in any case keep everything in the sandbox until you approve it. The references are going to take quite a long time. Regards, Bob --
PS I'm not actually new to Wikipedia editing. I've been doing it for about five years. But I've only made the occasional minor edit. I don't know why I'm called Bristol filer. It wasn't my choice but I'm sticking with it. Bristol Filer (talk) 15:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Please give me a shout when you want me to take a look at it. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 16:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
References for the volumes of Lindsay's Journal
Hello Phil – yet again!
I would like to have dedicated references for each of the five volumes of Lindsay's Journal. The first seemed to be successful so I tried using that as a template to enter the other four volumes simply by incrementing the numbers by one each time they occurred. It looked neat and tidy but, as I'm sure you'll see, it didn't work! What did I do wrong? The system told me there was an error and took me to Missing |lastn= in Authors/Editors list. To me that page was imcomprehensible. Help! – but no panic as I've plenty of other work to do on the project. BW, --Bristol Filer (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2016 (UTC)