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OpenCritic Updates?
Hey Czar,
Disclosure in case you don't remember me: I'm Matthew Enthoven, one of the founders of OpenCritic.
Before diving into the rest of this, I wanted to thank you for your feedback/idea. In case you don't remember, you suggested we should add additional labeling or something else that enhances score meaning. It's taken us a while (we've had other things cookin'), but I do think we're going to be adding that over the next few weeks. We're playing with the idea of tiers that would be "Mighty" (85+, 70% recommended, min 10 reviews, top ~10% of games), "Strong" (75-84, next 30% of games), "Average" (70-74, middle 20% of games), and "Weak" (69 or lower, bottom 40% of games). Anyways, just wanted to thank you for the suggestion.
We're still trying to figure out ways to make strides when it comes to Wikipedia and wanted to update with some of our progress. Previous conversations seemed to mostly conclude "too soon" and that we weren't "enough of a source in the industry." We wanted to continue to challenge that and get more feedback. Since the start of this year, we've added numerous features and seen our presence as an authority rising, so we thought it'd be a good time to ask again "what is it that you guys look for?"
We've added critic pages, with over 350 critics that have signed up and customized their page. To this day, we are the only aggregator that correctly attributes reviews to their author in addition to their publication.
We also added support for embeddable scores, which are now being used by The Escapist (see bottom of article) and Lazygamer. Websites such as Cubed3 and DarkZero now link to us in their footers, and PlayStation Universe lists us on their reviews.
We've been used as a source by Gamasutra (second paragraph), GeForce/Nvidia (see last paragraph), Examiner, Forbes, and others. We've also been added to Wikipedia Portugal on many pages. In the community, we're an officially sanctioned aggregator by the PS4 subreddit, and have been used across several reddit threads, often times as the only aggregator listed now. Metacritic has even made significant score mistakes, and a few of our users noticed.
We passed 100 publications included, and added word clouds that highlight key features and themes of reviews. We continue to see more and more traction across the board. We're adding 3DS and Vita titles now, with Fire Emblem Fates' review embargo already posted. We're the only aggregator that includes publications such as Eurogamer, AngryCentaurGaming, GameXplain, and TotalBiscuit, and we're the only aggregator that maintains the original score format. We also report on the percentage of critics that recommend the title, a statistic that allows us to include non-numeric publications.
We strongly believe that we are the fastest and most reliable aggregator. We are consistently faster than Metacritic, as several critics have noticed. We've invested heavily in our technology and our presentation, and believe strongly that, while we draw on the same data as Metacritic, we offer a more complete and informed picture fo a title. As we wrap up our next few features, we're hoping to improve and, well...
The reason I'm writing is: We really want to know what you guys are looking for. This isn't a "please put us on Wikipedia" type thing: we're young gamers and don't really consider Wikipedia readers to be our demographic, and as we have no advertising, they'd be revenue-negative anyway. Instead, we're just looking for feedback. We consider you, as a video game editor, to be an intellectual in the industry that we want to support and thrive in. So we want to know - what do you look for when evaluating OpenCritic as an "industry source"? What are the variables/factors? What are the things we can improve?
We're always on the lookout for ideas, and as we wrap up our next few features, we want to get your thoughts and opinions.
Sincerely, MattEnth (talk) 01:07, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Dewey
I found a high-res copy of the current lead: https://efd.global/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lc-usz62-51525.jpg (looks a bit washed out, but I checked and there's still detail in there). It's from https://efd.global/about/empower-students/
The trouble is that Underwood & Underwood were active after 1922, so I need to date the image. Otherwise, the restoration - and, indeed, the current lead image - could be deleted at any time. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:31, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden, this book dates the image (LoC)as created "before 1931" and "public domain", though I'm not sure that the latter follows from the former, right? (The 1931 might be from this archive, but it doesn't date the photo to 1931—just the connection to the subject of the archive.) I also found another high-res copy at Britannica. In any event, my copyright history is fuzzy, but if the Library of Congress doesn't note a copyright designation on the image, wouldn't it be PD now? Also do you think a different shot of Dewey would be preferable? I can try to track down another photo if you have a suggestion. Appreciate your help, czar 07:04, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- The thing is, the LoC don't actually allow you to download the image. That's not always a sign of it being in copyright, but it means they haven't checked it. @Crisco 1492: Can I get your views? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Wouldn't we just have to see if Underwood & Underwood renewed any copyrights on photographs in this time? The company was American (based out of NY), so they would have had to follow American copyright law. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492: We CAN, but without a year, that's digging through dozens of non-OCR'd documents. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:50, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Never said it would be easy. Not sure the quality of the image is worth that sort of effort. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, isn't it OCR'd in Google Books? [1] Not sure what the item would be called though. "Reserve illustrations"? czar 05:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Photographs. Probably listed under the company's name. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, I'm not finding anything that could fit the bill in my searches. I found a copy of that reserve illustrations book, and it looks like it's stock photography for advertisers (likely wouldn't carry a photo of Dewey or another celebrity). At what point can we say due diligence was done on the photograph? Is there anywhere or anyone else I should check? czar 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- How many books did you check out? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Crisco 1492, I did several search variations on "Underwood" and "photograph" in the Google Books link (above). They did not appear to copyright individual photographs, though they were credited with photo illustrations in some books. Not sure how to make the search more systematic, though. czar 00:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, you could go through the photograph books from year to year. But I think we'd have enough for "due diligence" right now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492, I did several search variations on "Underwood" and "photograph" in the Google Books link (above). They did not appear to copyright individual photographs, though they were credited with photo illustrations in some books. Not sure how to make the search more systematic, though. czar 00:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, I'm not finding anything that could fit the bill in my searches. I found a copy of that reserve illustrations book, and it looks like it's stock photography for advertisers (likely wouldn't carry a photo of Dewey or another celebrity). At what point can we say due diligence was done on the photograph? Is there anywhere or anyone else I should check? czar 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden and Crisco 1492, isn't it OCR'd in Google Books? [1] Not sure what the item would be called though. "Reserve illustrations"? czar 05:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- The thing is, the LoC don't actually allow you to download the image. That's not always a sign of it being in copyright, but it means they haven't checked it. @Crisco 1492: Can I get your views? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden, what do you think? Would you be interested in doing a restoration? It'd be nice to have it for the new article but otherwise I'll let it go czar 16:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Missed Chris' comment. Sure, I'll have a go. Let me finish my current project. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492 and Adam Cuerden, I'm in DC for the weekend and decided to stop by the LoC to look into this. The short is (1) I learned a whole lot about their photo collections, which are mostly undigitized and, in some cases, not digitally indexed. (2) They actually have a statement on Underwood & Underwood here—the items registered to the company are out of copyright. (Now that I look, apparently commons:Template:PD-Underwood already said this.) I can swing by again tomorrow if you have any specific questions you'd like me to ask. czar 02:57, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Awesome. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Wikidata... for aggregators?
Had already thought briefly about this but you brought it to mind with your question at Infobox video game...... Could Wikidata be used to hold Metacritic/GameRanking/etc scores in some fashion? Having a template like {{Metacritic|Xbox}}
that would output the Xbox score for the article could be handy. Or even {{Vgaggregator|MC|Xbox}}
. -- ferret (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ferret, I don't know the scope of Wikidata, but if it is what I think it is, it would make sense to import all review scores there. Now I see the slippery scope there—even if we limit the Wikidata scores to vetted, reliable sources, it's still going to be a huge list for AAA games. Good thought and certainly worth broaching at WT:VG for feedback czar 14:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Let me try some research and sandboxing. I see easy potential for aggregators, which most people are opposed to having in the prose anyways. For other reviews and the fact they should be used in prose, it might be stickier. -- ferret (talk) 14:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ferret, if there's any way to have Wikidata auto-format the citation as well... that'd be wonderful czar 14:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Still researching, Wikidata makes sense but its a warren of stuff I have to map out. Each "property" can have a reference attached. I'm using Dark Souls III as a jumping point. What I want to do is be able to add a statement like "review aggregator". Under that I would add a "Metacritic" property. To that I would add a qualifier with "Score" and "System". To this, you can attach a reference. Then the template here on ENWIKI would pull that all in. That's the theory. Still working through the details. -- ferret (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- See here where I added a "score by" to the bottom and filled in Metacritic information. Now I need to look at a template that will pull it. -- ferret (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- d:Wikidata:WikiProject Video games and Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings (Q34852) may be useful. --Izno (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- See here where I added a "score by" to the bottom and filled in Metacritic information. Now I need to look at a template that will pull it. -- ferret (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Still researching, Wikidata makes sense but its a warren of stuff I have to map out. Each "property" can have a reference attached. I'm using Dark Souls III as a jumping point. What I want to do is be able to add a statement like "review aggregator". Under that I would add a "Metacritic" property. To that I would add a qualifier with "Score" and "System". To this, you can attach a reference. Then the template here on ENWIKI would pull that all in. That's the theory. Still working through the details. -- ferret (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ferret, if there's any way to have Wikidata auto-format the citation as well... that'd be wonderful czar 14:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Let me try some research and sandboxing. I see easy potential for aggregators, which most people are opposed to having in the prose anyways. For other reviews and the fact they should be used in prose, it might be stickier. -- ferret (talk) 14:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Izno, do you know how to go from
{{#Property:P444|from=Q34852}}
(92/100, 9.1/10, 9/10, 8.8/10, 91.81%) to just the Metacritic score? I don't see options for restricting the property parser. czar 16:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)- You cannot use the magic word to access only a certain qualified value (last I checked). You have to use Lua e.g. Module:Wikidata. --Izno (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Visit User:Ferret/sandbox for a rough draft. It's Lua based, as Izno already noted. It's not everything but it's a start for a rough sketch. Currently I'm not using shorthand system names. I know how to get them, but the API involved is noted as being expensive so I don't want to jump to it yet. I also had some trouble getting refs/cites output. I built them, but the rendering is off. Either it can't be done or I haven't done it the right way yet. -- ferret (talk) 18:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- That was just how I played with Dark Souls III, but what has already been done at Age of Empires might be a better organization. I've got enough of an idea on how to dig through the entity table to do either. -- ferret (talk) 18:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Not just a better organization but is required by how certain properties are used. For example, score by is required to be a Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608), not a first-level statement. --Izno (talk) 19:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yep, once I saw it I facepalmed. Unfortunately it doesn't seem Wikidata enforces the relations strictly. Side note: You cannot put metacritic into a Reference Url, apparently. It forces you to use Metacritic ID... which is fine. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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Don't worry about it. Wikidata is a wiki.
No, the relations are not enforced strictly (and never will be--this is part of Wikidata's core design), but there is a really soft constraint system provided on the property talk pages, linking to a number of bot-provided reports where constraints are violated. Some extensions currently in the testing phase will probably roll out within the next year which will highlight the use of statements not in keeping with the constraints directly in the HMI, but will still allow you to save non-compliant values.
I fixed your reference--reference URL requires a full URL. Please take a look at the item. --Izno (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Yep, once I saw it I facepalmed. Unfortunately it doesn't seem Wikidata enforces the relations strictly. Side note: You cannot put metacritic into a Reference Url, apparently. It forces you to use Metacritic ID... which is fine. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Not just a better organization but is required by how certain properties are used. For example, score by is required to be a Wikidata qualifier (Q15720608), not a first-level statement. --Izno (talk) 19:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- You cannot use the magic word to access only a certain qualified value (last I checked). You have to use Lua e.g. Module:Wikidata. --Izno (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Sandbox and Dark Souls III wikidata have been updated to reflect the format in Izno's Age of Empires example. Everything is there, with two issues: "Also known as" shorthand resolution for systems, and figuring out how to correctly output/generate reference/cites. But, all the data is there. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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What do you mean by "Also known as"?
I would recommend against providing the Wikidata citations directly in Wikipedia for the time being. There needs to be a larger discussion about display of citations and whether "other tools" need to be built to support that display (that is probably not on anyone's radar). --Izno (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Also known as" are the item aliases. For example, Xbox One as XONE, PlayStation 4 as PS4. I can map them locally in the module, but they also exist in Wikidata. Regarding Metacritic URLs, when I added a reference with a "Reference URL" and placed the full URL for Metacritic in, the Save button would grey out. I resolved that by adding a Metacritic ID with the necessary url fragment. Maybe it was something weird with my work laptop, I can do it now. Regardless of issues around providing the citations, I'd like to figure out the correct method for outputting it, even if it's not used, just for learning's sake. -- ferret (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Found the answer I need. Lua modules cannot output other templates or ref tags, they will not process, period. -- ferret (talk) 21:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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Not particularly true. They can use other modules (Module:Citation/CS1) as well as tags by extension e.g.
result = frame:extensionTag{ name = "ref", args = {name=name}, content=result };
(from Module:Footnotes).Regarding aliases, I'm not sure why you would want them from Wikidata anyway, but I would definitely recommend having a local map of QID to name, since that would help us avoid the effects of simple vandalism. --Izno (talk) 12:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- I was simply looking to avoid having to maintain a list of systems and QIDs. However we can maybe drop them in another module to share amongst different templates in the future, which centralizes it. -- ferret (talk) 13:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed. --Izno (talk) 13:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- extensionTag appears to force template transclusion. So that fixed cite web too. See User:Ferret/sandbox. -- ferret (talk) 13:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed. --Izno (talk) 13:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- I was simply looking to avoid having to maintain a list of systems and QIDs. However we can maybe drop them in another module to share amongst different templates in the future, which centralizes it. -- ferret (talk) 13:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Found the answer I need. Lua modules cannot output other templates or ref tags, they will not process, period. -- ferret (talk) 21:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Also known as" are the item aliases. For example, Xbox One as XONE, PlayStation 4 as PS4. I can map them locally in the module, but they also exist in Wikidata. Regarding Metacritic URLs, when I added a reference with a "Reference URL" and placed the full URL for Metacritic in, the Save button would grey out. I resolved that by adding a Metacritic ID with the necessary url fragment. Maybe it was something weird with my work laptop, I can do it now. Regardless of issues around providing the citations, I'd like to figure out the correct method for outputting it, even if it's not used, just for learning's sake. -- ferret (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Module:Sandbox/ferret/Video game aggregator is for an aggregator template. The review printing code is now in Module:Sandbox/ferret/Video game reviews, so it can be reused, and has the systems numeric Id table. Feel free to further populate the systems table. This now is a solid demonstration I think, just need to flush it out then bring it up to broader VG project. And worry about populating values into Wikidata. -- ferret (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Added a link to the Wikidata item just to play with an idea, similar to how software infoboxes link to their release templates for editing. -- ferret (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ferret, do you have a sandbox test where I can see it in action? czar 14:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- See User:Ferret/sandbox/Video game aggregator/sandbox, including examples with Template:Video game reviews. -- ferret (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Nice. I suppose the next step is integrating it into the reviews template sandbox. And re: wikidata:Q20112508#P444, shouldn't the work/publisher be "Metacritic" instead of "CBS Interactive"? czar 16:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- I built it off the existing cites in Dark Souls III. CBS owns Metacritic and publishes, is my understanding. Work could be Metacritic.
I'll see about adding work to the module.Added it. I also just added a Template:Video game series reviews to the sandbox. -- ferret (talk) 16:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- I built it off the existing cites in Dark Souls III. CBS owns Metacritic and publishes, is my understanding. Work could be Metacritic.
- Nice. I suppose the next step is integrating it into the reviews template sandbox. And re: wikidata:Q20112508#P444, shouldn't the work/publisher be "Metacritic" instead of "CBS Interactive"? czar 16:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- See User:Ferret/sandbox/Video game aggregator/sandbox, including examples with Template:Video game reviews. -- ferret (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Ferret, do you have a sandbox test where I can see it in action? czar 14:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I've continued playing and made various updates. It is now setup to allow aggregators or reviewers (If they are in the table), and only output a single "Edit" link instead of on every line. It also sets reference names now, so that repeated uses won't crowd the reflist. The current idea is to name it Template:Video game review score. -- ferret (talk) 18:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Really nice work. Can you add a flag to make the publisher optional? I used to add CBS but now I just do Metacritic. Also would it be possible to add an "edit" link to the template itself (either in the template's heading or in its header bar) instead of next to the refs? I think that would make the most sense once the rest of the template pulls from Wikidata. I think the whole thing you've written could be vg rev score—that sounds fine—but most people won't need to see that if you bake it right into the vg reviews template. (It should default to showing all referenced scores from Wikidata unless locally overridden methinks.) Of course we'd want to draft that first and get consensus before making it live. czar 19:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Regarding publisher, it's just pulling Wikidata... If publisher isn't defined to Wikidata, it won't pull it. When we broach the broader topic of how to get/keep Wikidata populated we can fine tune the required fields. As for the edit link, this "single reviewer" template doesn't have a header or bar, so there's no where else to put an update link really except at the end. I could add a newline at the end so it's separate from the ref, but that might look odd too. If integrated into the main series box, then it can be put in a single spot in the table header. One benefit of this "single reviewer" template is that it can be used without changing the existing templates, for localized/limited early use. -- ferret (talk) 19:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Flags for the publisher and date formats would still be good because their implementation will vary across articles (regardless of how Wikidata is populated). The change I'd propose: update {{vg reviews}} to automatically pull {{video game review score}} for each referenced field unless overridden (so integrated into the main series box but still using the new "single" template as the call). czar 19:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Df is an argument already, I added that earlier when implementing date formatting for "retrieved" Wikidata property. I can add a publisher=yes/no. I want to continue doing some optimization, but hopefully will move the template/modules to Template/Module-space tonight. Then we can hammer on it some more. -- ferret (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Flags for the publisher and date formats would still be good because their implementation will vary across articles (regardless of how Wikidata is populated). The change I'd propose: update {{vg reviews}} to automatically pull {{video game review score}} for each referenced field unless overridden (so integrated into the main series box but still using the new "single" template as the call). czar 19:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Regarding publisher, it's just pulling Wikidata... If publisher isn't defined to Wikidata, it won't pull it. When we broach the broader topic of how to get/keep Wikidata populated we can fine tune the required fields. As for the edit link, this "single reviewer" template doesn't have a header or bar, so there's no where else to put an update link really except at the end. I could add a newline at the end so it's separate from the ref, but that might look odd too. If integrated into the main series box, then it can be put in a single spot in the table header. One benefit of this "single reviewer" template is that it can be used without changing the existing templates, for localized/limited early use. -- ferret (talk) 19:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Could you kindly delete the redirects left behind at Module:Sandbox/ferret/Video game aggregator/doc and Module:Sandbox/ferret/Video game reviews/doc? -- ferret (talk) 21:08, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ done czar 21:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Everything is moved and placed, with sandboxes and all setup. Check out Template:Video game review score/testcases. I may make some further edits to the module but I would like to "beta" run the template for Dark Souls III scores. I'll make a section on the article talk page explaining. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Let's move further discussion of enhancement/updates to Template talk:Video game review score#Initial enhancements?. We've abused your talk enough. ;) -- ferret (talk) 21:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
S.C.O.O.B.
Hello Czar! Please move Draft:S.C.O.O.B. → S.C.O.O.B. — I just created the redirect, I didn't know the film was in-production, which director revealed by behind-the-scenes footage at CinemaCon. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 11:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ done czar 14:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Books & Bytes - Issue 16
Books & Bytes
Issue 16, February-March 2016
by The Interior (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs)
- New donations - science, humanities, and video resources
- Using hashtags in edit summaries - a great way to track a project
- A new cite archive template, a new coordinator, plus conference and Visiting Scholar updates
- Metrics for the Wikipedia Library's last three months
The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
I noticed that you supported a merger of this article into Super Mario Bros. 3. Looking at it now, it probably could be merged pretty comfortably, as the development is just a bunch of padding and the reception is a lot of people saying a lot of the same stuff. I'd merge it myself, but I just haven't the time, so I was wondering if you were still interested in doing so. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 16:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- The two article should reflect each other's content, at the very least. But there was opposition to an outright merge (Talk:Super Mario Bros. 3#Proposed merge with Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3)—perhaps that has changed, and a partial merge can still go through, but there should eventually be another discussion if the article is heading for redirection. I won't be able to touch it for a while though czar 05:32, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Made me laugh
Thanks for the reply at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_March_4#'paedia. It was closed not long after. I hadn't seen your remarks before looking back today and I am glad I am not the only Wikipedian in the world to have some wit. Made me laugh out loud, really. (And your soviet got their wish.) Si Trew (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Allied (film)
Hello Czar! Please move Template:Did you know nominations/Five Seconds of Silence to Template:Did you know nominations/Allied (film), and be careful with its links. The film was retitled as Allied. — Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 04:10, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ done, but I think you had the same userrights to do the move, no? czar 05:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes I've, I moved once and couldn't fix the links. I'll try next time. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 07:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Message
I left you a message on my page. --Palu (talk) 07:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
National ties for Stephen's Sausage Roll
Hello Czar,
I believe we hade this conversation earlier, but you seem not to respect WP:DATETIES, which states that things related to a country other than the US or Canada shall use dmy, US mdy (with exceptions) and Canada can use eitherm with consistency, of course. Same goes for WP:ENGVAR, which gives us British English for UK-related topics. Stephen "Increpare" Lavelle aka. Increpare Games, the developer of Stephen's Sausage Roll, is from the UK, so both should apply in dmy dates and British English. However, you have just undone that, with the explanation that it "does not apply", could you provide evidence for that claim? Thanks, Lordtobi (✉) 15:47, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Agree with Czar's undo. WP:DATETIES and WP:ENGVAR are meant to apply when strong ties exists. A game's developer being from a particular region is not a strong tie. Nothing about the game itself has any strong leaning towards UK topics or culture, etc. Existing formats should be respected in this scenario, per MOS:RETAIN and MOS:DATERET. -- ferret (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- If we've had this conversation earlier, then you know the burden of evidence is on you: Where is the strong national tie to the topic? A war that took place in a country? Yes, strongnat. A location in a country, yes. Products, however? Not necessarily. If a product was sold and used exclusively in a country, there could be a case, but not here, where the game is clearly international. There's absolutely nothing inherent about this game, especially as covered by reliable sources, to constitute a strong national tie to the UK. The rule to "respect" is to leave the original date format well alone unless there is some reason for changing it (through discussion). Even still, I don't know why you thought that changing the date format as a minor edit would be productive. czar 16:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)