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Thank you for your welcome.
[NOTE – As a result of receiving a message from Philg88 I'm now in the process of adding a PS to this message. Please give me half an hour to complete it before reading this].
You suggest I'm a new editor. Well, that's true in the sense that I've never started a new article, but I've been around correcting existing ones for over four years
I will be attempting my first article from scratch in a month or so. The subject will be Michael Macarthy Keane (1800-1873) who commanded the SS President on one return voyage between Southampton and New York in the closing months of 1840. At the time the President was the largest passenger ship in the world. When the ship returned to Southampton Keane was dismissed from his post on the grounds that the voyage had been too slow. He was the second commander to be dismissed on those grounds.† During the voyage undertaken by the third commander the ship sank probably in the same general area of the Atlantic Ocean as a better known ship sank 71 years later.‡ All on board were lost and the wreck has never been found. One of the passengers was an Irish actor known professionally as Tyrone Power. You will be familiar with his great grandson (1914-1918) and even perhaps his g-g grandson who was born in 1959. Both have the name that their ancestor adopted.
Keane was the son of Michael Kean (sic) and Irish painter who married into the Duesbury family of Derby and for a short time at the beginning of the 19th century ran the firm that became known as Royal Crown Derby.
I would have written more articles if the task weren't so daunting. Now tell me it's easy peasy!
† The first commander of the President to be dismissed was Lieutenant Robert J Fayrer RN. He also is worthy of having a Wikipedia article written about him. Time will tell but I haven't much of that left!
‡ Visit http://www.artflakes.com/en/products/a-achenbach-untergang-der-president to an artist's impression of the sinking of the President. Reminiscent of that other more famous ship?
P.S. I have been researching William Schaw Lindsay for well over five years and have accumulated a wealth of information about him. For about two years I’ve been intending to write a Wikipedia article but, for one reason or another, I never got round to it. I had mixed feelings therefore when Phil88 started one last December (btw that coincided with WSL’s 200th birthday when I wrote a letter to the Telegraph which they printed in reduced form a week after the event). I am now about a quarter of the way through WSL’s biography.
Fortunately Phil seems very amenable to my making wholesale changes to his Wikipedia article. You can see the draft of what I’m proposing in my sandbox. One of my problems is that an important source of information is housed at the Caird Library of the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich which I visit from time to time. I have photographed well over 500 of the transcripts that a certain Hilda Kirkwood made in the 1970s of WSL’s handwritten journal and which are housed in the library. I have converted four of their five volumes into Word form and will be visiting the library next month to photograph the final volume. I have also downloaded about 1000 newspaper cuttings relating to WSL as well as much other material. All the time I have been working closely with WSL’s g-g grandson, William Stewart Lindsay (Bill).
I currently have a minor problem. It’s the one about which Phil has suggested that I speak to you. The transcribed versions of the five volumes of WSL’s Journal are not online but I want to make reference to their pages in the Wikipedia article. I have therefore added them in the bibliography section at the bottom of the article. But I don’t think I’ve got it right. Please would you help me in this respect.
Regards, and thanks again, Robert Cutts (Bob)
P.P.S. I would dearly like to change my username which was not down to me in the first place.
--Bristol Filer (talk) 06:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Bristol Filer
(I was already in to process of replying, but since I don't want to cause an edit conflict I'll leave you my relpy in a different section here.)
- Hi there Bristol Filer and welcome in from the cold. :) I was only suggesting that your account was new, since that is really all we know when someone register. I'm one of the editors who help "newbies". I'm also interested in anything maritime and biographies, which is why I took an interest in you when I saw your post on Philg88's talk page. I also see that he's asked me to step in and help you, we sometimes work together on articles or when helping other editors. I will answer your question there shortly and you are always welcome on either of our talk pages whenever you like.
- An article about Michael Macarthy Keane would certainly be interesting and it is "easy peasy" when you have other editors to help and guide you every step of the way. That is what the community is for. The best way to start an article is by creating a Draft, in this case Draft:Michael Macarthy Keane, were you can work and fix the article before it is moved to the main article space. The route from Southampton to New York was certainly a perilous one. Perhaps you could also start with adding some of the facts you talk of above to the SS President article. Just remember to leave references for anything you add. I'll be keeping an eye on your edits and step in and correct things if need be. That way you will learn from the correction, which is even more effective than just reading all the instructions.
- Btw, the more common way to make the text appear in italics is to use the '' instead of the <i> </i> . A very useful page for all the coding is Help:Cheatsheet. Take a look. :)
- And when you want to "mark" a sentence, the practice here is to use the "star/bullet" * instead of † or ‡.
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Thanks!
Thanks for your response. I would like to have responded to it directly as you would in an email by clicking the reply button but I couldn't see how to do that. In fact, I'm wafting from page to page getting totally confused!
Regards --Bristol Filer (talk) 09:19, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Bristol Filer: Sorry about the confusion, we'll stay on this page for the day at least. You reply by clicking on the small [edit] next to the heading of the section you want to post on and the editing window will open to that section. You also indent every post so it's easy to follow the conversation. I have formatted you post here) I will certainly help you and explain what went wrong with the references, it will take me a while to write though so in the meantime you can address the issue with changing your user name. All the instructions for that are here: Wikipedia:Changing username. w.carter-Talk 09:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Bristol Filer:So, here we go: When you add a reference in the text you use the <ref></ref> but not when you add it outside the text area as in the Bibliography section. The references are also written according to the Wiki-code which is linked to the automated system so that everything will be display correctly. Now the code must be written using some very exact parameters and sometimes in the right order for it to work. The small pieces of code inside double curly brackets {{}} are called "Templates". Eash Template have a page describing it and how to use it. Those pages was what Philg88 had given you links to earlier. The one you use in the WSL article is Template:Cite book.
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- Using the "help template": {{sfn}} in the text is an advanced, but very elegant way of connecting the text to the books mentioned below the article but it require some extra and precise parameters in the code for the book. One of these is a date or year. (Well, it can be used without it but that is much more complicated) You had not included that in the "cite book". Since I gather there is no "publication year" on each of the five volumes, you could use the year of last entry in each volume to signify the year.
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- You had also misunderstood what the different parameters were used for. The "|last1=" "|last2=" are the last names of the different authors of a single volume, not consecutive numbers for the volume. There is only one author for all the books so "|last1=" should be used in all of them. When you wrote "|last2=" the system when looking for the first author. The Caird Library is a part of the National Maritime Museum, so that should be in the "|publisher=" parameter. It is also common to link that publisher to its Wikipedia article. The "|ref=" parameter is for defining how the book should be linked to the text, in this case you link it with the {{sfn}} template by adding "harv" to it. The library number should be in the "|id=" parameter.
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- A lot to take in. Sorry! I will fix the refs in the article and you can take a look and see how I did it. I will add temporary (plausible/fictional) years to the volumes just to make the code work. Please change those when you have the right dates.
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- I'm at work now, so I may not be able to respond immediately to you, but I'm near a computer all day so I'll try to be as quick as I can. Best, w.carter-Talk 10:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Bristol Filer: I see now that you fixed the "|last=" yourself. Nice!
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- @Bristol Filer: I see now that you fixed the "|last=" yourself. Nice!
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- Thanks again. There's no panic. Although retired for longer than I care to say, I have plenty of other WSL matters to attend to.
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- At Phil's suggestion I did try using the Template:Cite book as a starting point but then modified the result as it didn't look right. I would very much welcome your corrected versions. Copying from a master is one of the best ways to learn!
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- I've abandoned the idea of changing my user name as there seem to be too many implications.Bristol Filer (talk) 10:38, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Bristol Filer: The refs are now corrected, yours to copy (and please leave more cocrrect date/years for the journals than my guesstimates). That is a most excellent way to learn here, one that seems to work best. You will learn as you go along. When you are more familiar with the refs you may want to revisit the Template:Cite book and see if you can decipher it. w.carter-Talk 11:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @W.carter: Thanks again. I've corrected the dates. I can now see that the dates are important because they appear when you click on a ref in the text. I'm learning slowly!
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@Bristol Filer: Quite correct, you did the right thing. Now you need to correct the "sfn" in the text so that it refers to the right volume. Right now it says "{{sfn|Lindsay|1835|page=2}}, I presume it should point to the first volume (1845), but you know best. I also see that you have begun to grasp some of the communication system. Very good! I will leave a little note on that on your own talk page. w.carter-Talk 12:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- @W.carter: I was getting round that – diverted but I got diverted.
- Btw, I forgot to tell you I've got another Wiki in the pipeline and, if you happen to live in Hampshire, it may be of interest. It's to make Elliott Brothers (builders merchant) more like a proper article with a pretty full account of the history of the company going back to the 1830s.
- And very few people look at my wesite on the Robert Lowe (WSL's favourite ship) so I should really make that into a Wiki as well.
- I don't know when I'll ever get time to get on with the biography of WSL! --Bristol Filer (talk) 15:07, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Bristol Filer: Take your time! Quoting other Wikipedians: "There is no deadline on the WP". Adding info to the Elliott Brothers (builders merchant) article would be very good, since that article is sorely in need of help. Unfortunately I live too far from Hampshire to make a visit there. If you check my user page you will find that I'm Swedish and live on the west coast near the port of Gothenburg. The district is steeped in maritime history as is evident from the articles I enjoy writing such as Swedish East India Company, Götheborg (ship), Jean Abraham Grill, etc. (full list on my user page).
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Five Points, Manhatten
Hallo W.carter - I planing to do some editing in the article Five Points, Manhattan in the next days. I explained the job on the talk page. Just for information. Best. --Maxim Pouska (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello Maxim, it's good to hear from you again. :) My edit on Five Points was no coincident. I was looking through some old posts and saw one from you and wondered what you were doing these days. I saw that you had done something at that article, and since I found it interesting, I read it. I corrected a few minor things as I usually do when I read an article. I had not seen your comment on the talk page, but I've read it now. Unfortunately, I disagree with you about the removal of the quotes. I think they say more about Dickens than the Irish. The WP is full of quotes from historical contexts that makes you cringe when you read them, but this encyclopedia is not censored, and there is an expression that goes: "Sunshine is the best disinfectant", that means that if you bring out ugly things into the light they loose their power and we see just how ridiculous they are. But for the sake of arguing, let's hear if a friendly Irishman has a different point of view (if they like to leave a comment). Cheers, w.carter-Talk 19:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Hello W.carter, OK - but the phrase about the pigs and language is not relevant for the Five Points. Why not deleting this? My story is - in the next 48 hours the Endoscopy article is moving to the main page (Artikel Namens Raum) ANR at de:wp. I take care also for the translation information on my talk page at en:wp. My mentor at de:wp is taking care for more than 25 mentees and as admin he is very, very busy. It was no problem for me. I have a lot work in RL.
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- The five points is a job I start the next winter at de:wp. An Admin and specialist for Irish history at de:wp asked me to rewrite the article Five Points because the article is .... The article on en:wp is also in need of some update - Updates because of new facts and some other stuff - (TF; engl. original research (OR)). I dit some new research and the book by Tyler Anbinder "Five Points" I did buy and so I know what I have to do. To get contact to an Irish man - friendly Irishman - is very fine. I will ask him for help and corrections of my writing. But I start this only in Novembre or later.
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Nomination of 2016 Tel Aviv knife attack for deletion
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2016 Tel Aviv knife attack is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 Tel Aviv knife attack until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Stephen 02:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- I've commented on the deletion page. w.carter-Talk 05:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Thanks E.M.Gregory!
The jury's still out on whether the article will be kept, nevertheless your gesture is very much appreciated. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 19:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Hallin
If you find time for it, please take a look at the article about Margareta Hallin. Thanks:)--BabbaQ (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Seems like you already have several expert editors copyediting and fixing that article. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 14:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
"Fixing" redirects
Hi W.carter, I was just reviewing your January improvements to Lydia the Tattooed Lady and noticed that you altered several wikilinks to bypassed redirect pages. Per WP:NOTBROKEN, it's not necessary to do this. In fact, in some cases (such as fictional character names that redirect to character lists), using the more specific redirect saves work in the event that title becomes its own article in the future. Thanks for your work, and happy editing! Ibadibam (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)