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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Maybe this should be posted in edit warring? regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleetham (talk • contribs) 09:20, 1 February 2011
Please cooperate!
Our Institute is undergoing a transition from Indian School of Mines to a full fledged Indian Institute of Technology. Under such conditions often the page is hard to maintain with conflicting opinions and interests. You asked me not to add information without sources, and though we can vouch for most of the information, we did comply. However, when I am linking to an external site and that too the FB page of the official Branding and Relations Cell of our college, you cannot just prevent me from doing so. It's an external link and Wikipedia affords me the ability to link to an external page. I did not publish information not accounted for on Wikipedia but on an external website particularly because it is important to our college and made an external link to it, those who see the document are told explicitly that this information is published courtesy the Branding and Relations Cell, IIT Dhanbad. What's not on Wikipedia cannot violate its terms. Please think before removing too much information from the page. Several people choose a college based on its achievements in India and we need to show ours. --Souradeep1996 (talk) 13:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Please stop editing the page because you are violating Wikipedia conflict of interests policies. That's all I have to say to you before reporting this up. --Muhandes (talk) 13:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Have a look at this page too then, I do believe this page violates a lot of principles too
Please look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology,_BHU I'm sure you could improve their page too. You removed the entire table that documented the degree courses of our institute and also a lot of information on Alumni, etc. so if in reality all those violated conditions, please do justice to the page mentioned above too.--Souradeep1996 (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Your point? I can improve almost every article in Wikipedia. In fact, I am now making sure one particular repeat offender stops editing an article about his own university against a few dozen policies! I keep pointing him to the relevant policies, but he ignores them. Once I'm done with that I might look at other articles. --Muhandes (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Fine, I'll not make any major edit on the mentioned Wikipedia page but if so many policies hold good for this particular page,so should they for others too. There's a very specific reason I asked you to look into the page I linked to. Both BHU and ISM are converted IITs and we are closely trying to do things the way they have done. However, it seems, that violates Wikipedia's policies, to the point most information cannot be disseminated. Fine, what's rule, is a rule. I've given up trying too. What's not to be, won't be, all I ask is a non-preferential treatment. If you really are concerned about Wikipedia policies, please do review that article.--Souradeep1996 (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Help needed to add more information
I understand that as per the Conflict of Interests clause I am ineligible to edit the Wikipedia page of my own university. Given that prerogative and the fact that most people who edit the page are students or former students, the page will be left with no Editors. So I request you to at least help us in adding missing information to our page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_(ISM),_Dhanbad in a way that does not violate applicable policies. For a reference, this page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology,_BHU could be referred to. It has the same status as our institute and our Wikipedia page needs to have content in all the similar categories. I'd be happy to help with the information if you could edit it for us or at least advise us on how to do it right. --Souradeep1996 (talk) 01:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- I can try to assist, but keep in mind that everything I removed was not done in spite. Wikipedia is not a guide, nor is it a catalog. It is not a place for advertising your institute. It most definitely does not exist because "several people choose a college based on its achievements in India and we need to show ours" as you said. If you want that, hire an advertising agency, write pamphlets, pay for radio advertisement or use whatever other form of marketing. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a written compendium of knowledge. So if you want to provide encyclopedic knowledge, I can try to assist you with it, with the little time I have. Otherwise, you are wasting both your time and mine. --Muhandes (talk) 12:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- I would add that the fact that another of the 5,234,791 articles in the English Wikipedia violates policies is irrelevant. Other people are criminals, it doesn't mean you are me can be. --Muhandes (talk) 12:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree, it's only that we want to add as much information as is legally permitted by Wikipedia in a format that conforms to its policies. Some of my actions seem to have perturbed you deeply, I should say I am new to Wikipedia, I am not used to its severity. I am a Quoran, so I did find some things natural which were obviously not conforming to Wikipedia standards. Sorry! The only reason for mentioning the other page is that it has a lot of information in different categories, categories that we also want to add to our page, we want to create something similar and as informative. So, if everything on that page is correct and conforming to Wikipedia policies, perhaps you could tell us how to do the same for our page. Some points:
1.) We'd definitely like to have the 'Programme' table just as they have (and as we once had) if it's possible to have it on the page legally.
2.) They have an exhaustive alumni list, however many are without citations, though we have an exhaustive list, in our case too, we do not have enough citations, so is it absolutely wrong to have their names on the page without citations?
3.) We had a gallery on the page which was removed. I had uploaded all the images on Wikipedia Commons. They are of the college and belonged to me. Can you please tell us how to create a gallery on the page conforming to Wikipedia policies?
4.) We have an exhaustive list of Start-ups I can vouch for, however possibly the citations provided were not good enough. What kind of pages can I cite to make the information accounted for.
I trust that you realise these are honest doubts and I'm not trying to advertise my institute or anything, I just want to ensure an informative Wikipedia page that would document all facts about the institute concerning every category. I think that is what you meant by encyclopaedic knowledge. Being a representative of the Branding & Relations Cell of my college, that is something I have been entrusted with, so I hope you'd help me. --Souradeep1996 (talk) 18:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Please read WP:NOT. None of what you asked for really belongs in an Encyclopedia, which is why I removed them in the first place. --Muhandes (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Can you please tell us what more could be done so that we might have a better page rating for our page? Obviously since the page is rated as C, it leaves a lot to be desired. --Souradeep1996 (talk) 13:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Take example from better articles. Indian Institute of Management Lucknow and The Doon School are examples of Good Articles for education institutes in India. Note especially the secondary sources, the neutrality and the lack of excessive lists (of course some editors keep ruining it, note I had to remove alumni which were added lately). If you feel you are up to it, start working on it on your sandbox. --Muhandes (talk) 13:58, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll try to keep the points in mind.--Souradeep1996 (talk) 06:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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