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Contents
- 1 Table cell contents spilling over.
- 2 Where do we go from here?
- 3 Any way to disable election banner?
- 4 Pageview data missing
- 5 Yes/No toggle for Rollbacks
- 6 Rollback considered harmful
- 7 I need help finding this page (probably in the MediaWiki namespace)
- 8 Page curation logs on my watchlist
- 9 Protection fail
- 10 Video on the main page
- 11 Polluted discussion pages by wikiprojects
- 12 Changed Since Last Visit indicators on enhanced watchlist (and recent changes)
- 13 Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- 14 Section expanding
- 15 Stats.grok.se broken, again
- 16 Hovering over links doesn't show "exact" target page
- 17 Collapsing not working
- 18 Group changes by page in watchlist
- 19 Search Field on Wikipedia's Mobile Homepage
- 20 Collapsibles and sortables
- 21 What gadgets do I need to stop vandalism?
- 22 Unread item flagged on block log entries in watchlist
- 23 Prevent (or at least warn against) broken reference names
- 24 Moving pages over redirects
- 25 Option to indent once, not all paragraph?
- 26 Multiple redirect tool needed
- 27 What happened to reflinks??
- 28 Central login message
- 29 Help:Customizing toolbars
- 30 Identical citations.
- 31 Active Watchers tool no longer working
- 32 "wikitable sortable" tables are no longer sortable V2.0
- 33 Article print malfunction
- 34 Is CSD:U5 dead?
- 35 Tech News: 2015-23
- 36 Mark-blocked script marking globally locked users?
- 37 Stats grok no longer maintained???
Table cell contents spilling over.
When viewing the following table in the mobile version of the site, some text from the first column spills over into the adjacent cell of the second column.
Team | Constructor | Chassis | Power unit | Tyre | No. | Drivers |
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Scuderia Ferrari | Ferrari | SF15-T[1] | Ferrari | P | 5 7 |
Sebastian Vettel Kimi Räikkönen |
Sahara Force India F1 Team | Force India-Mercedes | VJM08[2] | Mercedes PU106B Hybrid | P | 11 27 |
Sergio Pérez Nico Hülkenberg |
Lotus F1 Team | Lotus-Mercedes | E23 Hybrid[3] | Mercedes PU106B Hybrid | P | 8 13 |
Romain Grosjean Pastor Maldonado |
Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] | Marussia-Ferrari | TBA | Ferrari 059/3[5][6] | P | TBA TBA |
Will Stevens TBA |
McLaren Honda | McLaren-Honda | MP4-30[7] | Honda RA615H Hybrid | P | 14 22 |
Fernando Alonso Jenson Button |
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team | Mercedes | F1 W06 Hybrid[8] | Mercedes PU106B Hybrid | P | 6 44 |
Nico Rosberg Lewis Hamilton |
Infiniti Red Bull Racing | Red Bull-Renault | RB11[9] | Renault Energy F1-2015 | P | 3 26 |
Daniel Ricciardo Daniil Kvyat |
Sauber F1 Team | Sauber-Ferrari | C34[10] | Ferrari | P | 9 12 |
Marcus Ericsson Felipe Nasr |
Scuderia Toro Rosso | Toro Rosso-Renault | STR10[11] | Renault Energy F1-2015 | P | 33 55 |
Max Verstappen Carlos Sainz Jr. |
Williams Martini Racing | Williams-Mercedes | FW37[12] | Mercedes PU106B Hybrid | P | 19 77 |
Felipe Massa Valtteri Bottas |
Source:[13][4][14][15][16] |
Anyone got an idea what's causing this and/or how to solve this. Tvx1 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have a mobile device and it looks right for me in both desktop and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile. The table has a coding error in
{{nowrap|{{nowrap|Mercedes PU106B Hybrid}}
which should only have one {{nowrap}}. Does it help to remove that:
- Does it help to remove all nowrap (may be controversial in an article), or for simplicity replace them by {{identity}} as here:
- PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- I already tried the minimum width on mobile and it works for me. I get a horizontal scroll bar and no overlap. I will stop guessing. It's too hard when I don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Since I'm not able to explain the issue with text, I have made a screenshot:
As you can see, content from the first column is spilling over into the second. Tvx1 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- It doesn't spill over for me. Based on the amount of spillover in your screenshot, maybe your browser doesn't reserve space for the flag icon when the column width is calculated. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Multiple user have reported this to me though, regardless of which browser they use. Tvx1 06:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- I think you're spot on there. Either the flag icon isn't taken into account, either it's just counted as a 1px character. Is there a way to solve this? Tvx1 19:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Does it change anything if the size of the image is increased, or removed altogether? Googol30 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
- Well, cells without flagicons don't spill over into other, no matter how wide they are. But we want to have them in that table. Tvx1 10:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- And does making the icons larger make the problem worse? What I'm trying to determine is how the browser is interpreting what it's given and why it isn't making the cells large enough. If the browser isn't making sufficient space for all of the elements the cell contains, should we worry about that, since it's then the fault of the browser, or find a workaround and try to fix the problem on our end, even if the mobile browser isn't working as expected? I didn't seem to catch what your mobile browser even is. If I could replicate the problem on my end, I could attempt to fix it, but the desktop version of Chrome I'm running handles element widths as expected. Let me add a table with the changes I'm thinking of for illustration:
- Well, cells without flagicons don't spill over into other, no matter how wide they are. But we want to have them in that table. Tvx1 10:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- Does it change anything if the size of the image is increased, or removed altogether? Googol30 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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Of course, this is an extreme size change, but it's to troubleshoot things here. Does this make the problem worse, fix it, or make no difference whatsoever? Googol30 (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- Googol30, that makes the problem much worse. Here is a screenshot:
- In case I hadn't made it clear yet, this is an issue that only occurs on the mobile version of the site. The only mobile browser I have thus far identified not to be affected by this issue is Firefox. All other mobile browser have this problem. I mostly use mobile Safari, but as said other mobile browsers are affected as well. Tvx1 00:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Googol30, does my above reply hold any value for you regarding this issue? Tvx1 13:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Tvx1: yes, and I've done some research into the problem, finding that this is actually intended behavior of the nowrap attribute. Sadly, I do not have enough technical knowledge of its use within MediaWiki or on Wikipedia to properly fix this issue, so I regret to inform you that although (I think) I know what is causing the problem, I cannot properly fix it without potentially causing more problems elsewhere. Googol30 (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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Where do we go from here?
At a time when the long - term viability of Wikipedia is in doubt, editors have been discussing invigorating the community by enabling the creation of articles by IPs subject to safeguards. There have been no opposes. WMF have been asked to comment and have raised no objections. The mood of the community appears to be that the change should be implemented. Presumably it would involve reversing the post - Siegenthaler dev changes and moving onto a "level 3" pending changes regime in which pending changes would be turned off immediately an autoconfirmed editor edited the article. What is the procedure for turning an agreed change into reality? 156.61.250.250 (talk) 10:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- That change is far from agreed upon, I see more people rallying for complete removal of IP editing than this. We have WP:AfC that let's IP editors create an article, and that is all that has been agreed so far. NPP is badly backlogged, and it is well documented that most articles by new editors fail, no references, pure advertising etc. I can't see consensus on this anytime soon. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 13:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- That's the whole point of allowing new users to do things, so they learn enough to become valuable contributors down the line. Checking the new pages feed I saw one article at the top of the list awaiting review. A few seconds later it had been patrolled. If PC is turned off, all the PC reviewers can turn their attention elsewhere.
- If you think people are agitating for the removal of IP editing you're looking in the wrong place. The proposition in the March proposals RfC was to ban IP editing or never unprotect a semiprotected page. It was defeated nemo contradicente. Some quotes:
- Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
- There are plenty of people that come on Wikipedia reading, notice a problem and, as an IP, fix it.
- If we block IP editing, we'll move one step closer to being like Citizendum. With all due respect to Sanger's efforts, visit Citizendum's website and see how spotty their articles are. There are some very well - known topics that don't have articles there. That's what happens when you make it hard to edit a wiki. Do you want that to happen to us?
- 81.9% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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- Strong agreement with 156.61.250.250. If you want to count edits that occurred as a result of our IP editing policy, count all of mine, because I started as an IP editor and would have never started if this had been one more website that requires registration. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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- Discussion has now slowed. There is a clear consensus that this useful change should be implemented. Can someone please close accordingly. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 08:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I can count one person (Guy Macon) in both this discussion and the one at VPP who agrees with you. How is that clear consensus? --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)- 2 to 1 in favour = 66 2/3% majority. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 18:43, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I am tempted to apply a close as you requested. My close would be NO CONSENSUS based on a majority of one, and NO CONSENSUS based on a participation of 3 being grossly inadequate to propose a major sitewide change. If you want to seek a consensus for change I suggest you slap an RFC notice on here. That will get you participation and a close. Alsee (talk) 07:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Seconded. Not enough participation to ratify a major change. Samsara 07:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I see that an RfC has been started at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Proposal to change the focus of pending changes. 5.150.92.19 (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Seconded. Not enough participation to ratify a major change. Samsara 07:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I can count one person (Guy Macon) in both this discussion and the one at VPP who agrees with you. How is that clear consensus? --Ahecht (TALK
- Discussion has now slowed. There is a clear consensus that this useful change should be implemented. Can someone please close accordingly. 156.61.250.250 (talk) 08:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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Any way to disable election banner?
Across the top of a lot of pages, I see a big banner that reads:
"Voting Has Begun in Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections! Voting Ends at 23:59, 31 May 2015 (UTC). Verify your eligibility and vote now."
Yet, if I click on it, I get an error: "We apologize, but you do not appear to be on the eligible voter list."
I can see how I might not be eligible, because my edit count isn't high enough between 15 October 2014 and 15 April 2015.
However, it seems like the computer can easily count and realize this (it does, when I click on the banner) and should be able to just stop showing me this banner that I've deliberately closed many times.
Is there any way to manually stop it from showing up? It especially gets in the way of comparing pages by changing between tabs back and forth. Also, it's just training new users to ignore the banners, when you're so often showing banners that are irrelevant for that user.
Really, I don't think this banner should be shown at all, *especially* after a user has already clicked through and the system has already determined that member's ineligibility.
--ProtectorServant (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- There is a close button in the top right corner of the banner. But if you want to disable go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and tick Suppress display of fundraiser banners and/or Suppress display of all Central Notices. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- The banner keeps re-appearing on random pages. DuncanHill (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Mrjulesd for the solution that'll at least work for me!
Now for a broader discussion, what do people think about not showing election banners to editors who are ineligible to vote? --ProtectorServant (talk) 14:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- The service that checks those criteria wouldn't be able to handle the load, since the central notice needs to run on the foundation scope and only runs in JS. Not very easily doable. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:38, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there any way for the service to set some bit in the user profile, or have an election-specific table of users and their eligibility status, and only that gets checked prior to banner display (instead of recomputing all eligibility criteria each time?) There seem to be lots of settings that get checked per-user in the process of generating various page elements; checking election eligibility before generating an election banner just makes sense. --ProtectorServant (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't care about being shown this banner the first time, but I am getting bloody sick of seeing it repeatedly. Why is there no "Dismiss" option as there usually is to prevent re-display. I can click on the X to stop it on a given page, but the next page I go to it just pops right back. It has been going on for over a week now and I've hadit with this BS. This is very sloppy coding and is just not good enough. - Nick Thorne talk 04:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Nick, does your web browser refuse cookies, have scripts turned off, or anything like that? WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Pageview data missing
Now, May 9, 24 and 25 are missing.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Also posted to User talk:Henrik#May 9 stat missing, see WP:MULTI. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Curious question. Henrik usually kick starts the stats if he gets an email. Not seeing anything happen, I'm wondering if (1) Henrik might be on vacation; or (2) May have just dropped off the project forever. Does anyone have any knowledge of Henrik's whereabouts? — Maile (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's so bad, because last year very often we have troubles with stats... Maybe someone could do "new project", that it work well and without troubles... Stats are very usefull for create new pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swd (talk • contribs) 10:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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- @TonyTheTiger: and @Redrose64:; There are no page count stats throughout the system since 24 May (5 days going on 6 days without stats). None. Could someone glance at this? MusicAngels (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- I just emailed him again.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:56, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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- With all due respect to individuals like Henrik who have put their time and effort into creating tools that provide us with these statistics but it is not a good situation to be dependent for this on the presence or absence of a single individual. We need to move on from that. Statistics (page, user) are a core Wikipedia functionality and should be provided by the WMF with sufficient guarantees regarding back-up and up-time.--Wolbo (talk) 12:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes/No toggle for Rollbacks
Is there someway that yes/no toogle can be added to Rollbacks, similar to that used for the Thank a User function? I edit mostly from a tablet, and accidental rollbacks occur far too often for me. It seems like a yes/no option would be very useful for this feature, especially if it could be enabled or disabled from preferences. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Some users remove rollback links. See Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists#Remove or modify the .5Brollback.5D link. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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- I use User:Zvn/confirmwatchlistrollback.js, which pops up a confirmation dialog if you click rollback from the watchlist. This only works if JavaScript has time to load, though, so don't rely on it too much if you have a slow connection. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- There is also User:Mandarax/ConfirmMobileRollback.js, which adds a confirm dialog for all rollback links, but only on mobile devices. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- The most robust way I've found to deal with it is to hide the rollback links in css (which gets cached, so it always works instantly), and add a button in javascript to turn them back on. function morelinks() in my user javascript implements the latter, though it'll need some work to extract from all the other detritus I've accumulated. —Cryptic 00:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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function enable_rollback() { var head = document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0]; var style = document.createElement('style'); style.type = 'text/css'; style.innerHTML = '.mw-rollback-link { display:inline !important; }'; head.appendChild(style); } function add_enable_rollback_link() { mw.util.addPortletLink('p-cactions', 'javascript:enable_rollback()', 'enable rollback'); } $(add_enable_rollback_link); |
and put
.mw-rollback-link { display:none; }
(including the period at the start) in your common.css. —Cryptic 15:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
User:MusikAnimal/confirmationRollback exists; someone should add it to WP:CUSTOMWATCH or WP:ROLLBACK. --Izno (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I implemented MusikAnimal's script yesterday, as it was the simplest script available. It works well, but as noted above, one does have to wait for the page to fully load. first. At least this will reduce accidental clicks of Rollbacks to a rare occurrence, and that's a great help for me. Thanks to all who contributed here. I still hope this can be fully implemented into the Wiki software at some point I the near future so we don't have to rely on hacks. - BilCat (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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- I've just finished writing User:Mr. Stradivarius/gadgets/ConfirmRollback, a highly configurable script to hide rollback links or to ask for confirmation when clicking them. If you like, why not try it out? I also welcome feedback on its features. For example, the confirmation dialog is currently implemented as a pop-up window, but after reading the latest comments here I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better done like the Thanks confirmation is. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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- I'd like to try your script out eventually, as I like the options available. MusikAnimal's script also uses a pop-up confirmation dialog. On a touchscreen, it's probably easier to use that than the the Thanks confirmation style. As noted above, I would sometimes hit rollback while trying to select Yes for Thanks! - BilCat (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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Rollback considered harmful
Is there any way (as an admin) I can turn rollback off? I've never used the feature because on the rare occasion I need to revert multiple edits I prefer Twinkle's ability to annotate good-faith or vandalism. The rollback button has no "are you sure" prompt, so it's possible to hit the button by accident (easily done when scrolling on an iPhone and accidentally registering a click event in the wrong place) and rolling back something I didn't want to. Ouch!
Are there any settings to turn it off, or at least bring up an "are you sure" prompt? It doesn't seem like a very well designed tool. I'll try some of the upthread JavaScript hacks but they seem like a bodge job. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 06:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- If you just want to turn it off, just put:
.mw-rollback-link {display: none;}
- in your common.css page, which will get rid of it without all the loading nonsense that the Javascript things entail. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 06:57, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- That seems to have done the trick - cheers! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I wish I had known about that three days ago, before I gave up the rollback right because of too many accidental clicks. Perhaps someone could add something about this to WP:ROLLBACK. Better yet, someone could make rollback require a confirmation click, per well-established UI design principles. ―Mandruss ☎ 08:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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- I asked the same question above. If they can make an "Are you sure - Yes/No" toggle for the "Send Thanks" feature,someone should be able to do the same for Rollbacks. Since you asked for Rollbacks to be removed, you should be able to have it restored if you chose to implement on of these solutions. I'm still looking at them to see if one will work for me, barring the built-in solution. z BilCat (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have now read the earlier thread and I'm not interested in local hacks. If the powers-that-be choose not to make the software act like software is supposed to act, I'll live without rollback. ―Mandruss ☎ 08:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I proposed this and there was consensus for it. I'm not sure where to go with it now though, Phab? Sam Walton (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's been sitting in Phabricator for some years: phab:T49782. It shouldn't be too difficult to get working, since the overall workflow has already been figured out for Thanks. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I proposed this and there was consensus for it. I'm not sure where to go with it now though, Phab? Sam Walton (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have now read the earlier thread and I'm not interested in local hacks. If the powers-that-be choose not to make the software act like software is supposed to act, I'll live without rollback. ―Mandruss ☎ 08:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I asked the same question above. If they can make an "Are you sure - Yes/No" toggle for the "Send Thanks" feature,someone should be able to do the same for Rollbacks. Since you asked for Rollbacks to be removed, you should be able to have it restored if you chose to implement on of these solutions. I'm still looking at them to see if one will work for me, barring the built-in solution. z BilCat (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I need help finding this page (probably in the MediaWiki namespace)
I'm trying to locate the page of box that displays when an editor tries to view a page that does not exist and/or is created protected. The box starts with the phrase "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name". Could I please be directed to this page? (I'm posting it here since it's most likely a page in the "MediaWiki:" namespace, and thus, technical.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- {{No article text}}. Alakzi (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
?uselang=qqx
or&uselang=qqx
in the url reveals the name of used MediaWiki messages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosuchpage?uselang=qqx says "(noarticletext)", meaning MediaWiki:noarticletext is used. The English Wikipedia has coded this message to use {{No article text}} as Alakzi said. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)- That's a neat trick. Does the MW namespace interface directly with PHP template variables? Alakzi (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know PHP or the implementation details but edits in the MediaWiki namespace have immediate effect on the interface. Many messages in the MediaWiki namespace can contain wiki markup including parser functions, templates and so on. There are also messages which can only contain plain text or have to use html. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- That's a neat trick. Does the MW namespace interface directly with PHP template variables? Alakzi (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Page curation logs on my watchlist
Is there a way to hide these changes from my watchlist, and if so, how? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Protection fail
Looking at Template:Infobox drug/pregnancy category it would appear that I template protected it. However as User:DePiep, User:KrakatoaKatie and Cyberbot I all noticed that the page still needed protecting. Why didn't the original protection take? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 02:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Click "View logs for this page" on the page history to see [1]. It was deleted and restored after your protection. I don't think a restore remembers the protection level from when the page was deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Nope, it does not. Graham87 05:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- The template has been re-protected by KrakatoaKatie. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Nope, it does not. Graham87 05:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Video on the main page
- I've heard that posting videos on the main page may cause trouble for mobile viewers. Is this true? The reason I ask is because we have a video scheduled for the June 8th TFA, and I don't want a repeat of the GIF incident earlier this month. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- This will not be a problem. They just get what you see here. So there will be no player embedded, just a link to the movie, and depending on what kind of device/browser they have, that link may be playable or not. The problem with GIF is that a GIF is automatically downloaded to a user's device, without user intervention. So if you embed a 20 MB animated GIF, then everyone visiting that page will download 20MB (we have that problem everywhere throughout the encyclopedia btw, it's just more annoying when it's on the main page). With videos, people get to choose wether or not they click that play link. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:18, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Great. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- This will not be a problem. They just get what you see here. So there will be no player embedded, just a link to the movie, and depending on what kind of device/browser they have, that link may be playable or not. The problem with GIF is that a GIF is automatically downloaded to a user's device, without user intervention. So if you embed a 20 MB animated GIF, then everyone visiting that page will download 20MB (we have that problem everywhere throughout the encyclopedia btw, it's just more annoying when it's on the main page). With videos, people get to choose wether or not they click that play link. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:18, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Polluted discussion pages by wikiprojects
Is there any Gadget or user script already for making "Talk" link red if the discussion page contains only templates like WikiProject-xx?
I believe I am not the only pissed off guy here.--Dixtosa (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of any such script, although I agree that it would be useful. WP:Flow (warning: early development stages) uses the concept of separating headers from actual discussion, which might make it possible eventually. If this were a very popular idea, then it might be possible to put the templates/header stuff into a subpage, and automagically transclude that onto the talk pages (sort of the way global user pages work, in which you set up a user page at Meta and it appears at any project where you haven't created a user page). But that would be a major change involving multiple dependencies, plus an annoying bot run to move everything and delete all the otherwise blank talk pages, and I'm not sure that it would be worth it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Changed Since Last Visit indicators on enhanced watchlist (and recent changes)
By default, the standard watchlist shows green bullets for changed (since last visit) pages, but the enhanced watchlist does not. I would like to enable this for enhanced watchlist as well, but like to gauge the community first. To that end, there is now a test gadget available to enable the indicators for the enhanced watchlist. It will be especially visible when both "Group changes..." (under Recent changes tab) and "Expand watchlist..." options are enabled.
If feedback is positive, it will be enabled as a default gadget, and the current CSS for the standard watchlist will be moved to this gadget as well. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
17:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Edokter, is there a handy script to make those dots appear everywhere, via global.js? I really miss them at other projects. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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@import "//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-WatchlistGreenIndicators.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
. Otherwise, in global.js:mw.loader.load( '//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-WatchlistGreenIndicators.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css', 'text/css' );
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08:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- If global.css works, you can use
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For some pages, the title displayed on the tab and the title bar ends with "Wikipedia" rather than "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". Also, "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" is not shown below the page title and other things look different on the page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:34, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- @GeoffreyT2000: Please give examples of pages that appear to be in error. Also, do you use the mobile version? If not, which skin do you use? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- In the past I have occasionally seen pages which were cached when they were viewed by a user with another interface language selected at Special:Preferences. For example, en-gb British English would give https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?uselang=en-gb which says "Wikipedia" rather than "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" on the tab. This is because the English message at MediaWiki:Pagetitle has been customized but the British English at MediaWiki:Pagetitle/en-gb has not so it only shows
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Section expanding
Expanding a section on Mobile Wikipedia causes the text below to be hidden. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- GeoffreyT2000, what page were you reading when this happened (or was it all of them)? What device are you using? Are you reading in the app or the regular web browser? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I was using an Android phone with its built-in browser. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I tried to replicate this error the day this was posted and didn't see anything odd. Geof, go to Settings>More>"About device" to list your Android version here. It might help in narrowing down potential issues. Killiondude (talk) 04:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I was using an Android phone with its built-in browser. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Stats.grok.se broken, again
It appears Stats.grok.se is broken again, it hasn't capture the data for the last week. Here is an example. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Extremely frustrating. Neither this nor wikistats works with any reliability anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstone1029 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Who fixed it last time? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:05, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Hovering over links doesn't show "exact" target page
It is very good that you can hover over (and I do not want it disabled until it is the few flaws are fixed).
I've come across a number of issues (some might be fixed since I first saw them): Extra space before comma, unexpected pictures (see e.g. Troy McClure, is second not first the rule?), and propably more I've forgotten. The latest one:
Talk:Grant-maintained school#Does not "look" right when hovering.. I think what is happening when hovering over grant-maintained school is, as seen by hovering over foundation schools, that in general the title (singular) is bolded, can be seen by the second bolding that isn't otherwise in the text. Besides this bolding controlled by the article's title, all formatting seems to be lost, explaining the missing bolded s. comp.arch (talk) 11:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- I left a reply at Talk:Grant-maintained school#Does not "look" right when hovering.. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Collapsing not working
In the past 24 hours, I have noticed that collapsing doesn't seem to be working.
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Very annoying, anyone know what's up? (checked both templates used, neither has any recent edits) Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Beeblebrox: That box works fine for me... See Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#What.27s_going_on_with_the_navboxes.3F, it seems to be a bug that might be fixed by clearing your cache... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds like the same bug as I'm not even seeing the show and hide buttons. Clearing my cache didn't fix it. (Using ios8.3 with latest ios version of safari) Beeblebrox (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds like the problem is ios/ios safari related. Does it change if you go from mobile > desktop view or vice-versa? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 20:28, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds like the same bug as I'm not even seeing the show and hide buttons. Clearing my cache didn't fix it. (Using ios8.3 with latest ios version of safari) Beeblebrox (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Exception in module-execute in module mediawiki.toc: TypeError: Cannot read property 'get' of undefined TypeError: Cannot read property 'get' of undefined at eval (eval at <anonymous> (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:4:681), <anonymous>:1:721) at fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:45:124) at Object.self.add (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:45:664) at eval (eval at <anonymous> (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:4:681), <anonymous>:1:114) at mw.loader.implement.hidetoc (eval at <anonymous> (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:4:681), <anonymous>:2:81) at runScript (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:162:744) at checkCssHandles (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:163:281) at execute (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:164:60) at Object.mw.loader.implement (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:170:400) at eval (eval at <anonymous> (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=XOBi6sgc:4:681), <anonymous>:1:11)
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Note: I can't say if these warnings are related to the issue at hand or not but figure best to mention it just in case they somehow are related. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Fwiw... the 'Hide/Show' function works for me (Win 8.1 / IE 11) but my console has 2 or 3 warnings about missing end tags upon editing this (or any other) section. They don't/can't point to anything specifically found on this page however but all point to that god damn wiki-nsa tracking scheme starting at: ' https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecordImpression '.
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Getting the same in Firefox 38, the error message is ""TypeError: mw.cookie is undefined" TypeError: mw.cookie is undefined". MER-C 10:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Then it is a generic JavaScript problem, and collapsible not working is just collateral. Last week, I saw some code in MediaWiki being switched from jQuery.cookie to mw.cookie, and most likely, some of those changes do not have their dependencies in order.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
10:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)- A very small change in the code managed to trigger an apocalypse at the caching level at the server side. It took some 5 hours before people figured out what was going on and how to undo it. This means that a whole lot of people who visited the website within that timeframe have a whole lot of junk in their browser caches that conflicts with each other. WP:BYPASS can help. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- More specifically: Clear your cookies from en.wikipeida.org. That removes the offending cookie that causes this issue. (The small change TheDJ refers to was a changed cookie name.)
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
14:53, 30 May 2015 (UTC)- @Edokter: How will all these people who have not found out about this discussion here, get rid of the problem?--The Theosophist (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Eventually, it should resolve itself. Either the bad cookies will expire by themselves, or (hopefully faster) our cache will start to ignore them one way or another.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
16:56, 30 May 2015 (UTC)- Indeed, today it is working as expected. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Eventually, it should resolve itself. Either the bad cookies will expire by themselves, or (hopefully faster) our cache will start to ignore them one way or another.
- @Edokter: How will all these people who have not found out about this discussion here, get rid of the problem?--The Theosophist (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- More specifically: Clear your cookies from en.wikipeida.org. That removes the offending cookie that causes this issue. (The small change TheDJ refers to was a changed cookie name.)
- A very small change in the code managed to trigger an apocalypse at the caching level at the server side. It took some 5 hours before people figured out what was going on and how to undo it. This means that a whole lot of people who visited the website within that timeframe have a whole lot of junk in their browser caches that conflicts with each other. WP:BYPASS can help. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Group changes by page in watchlist
Hi there, I've recently enabled the "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" feature in Preferences --> Recent changes. This is really cool and it has sped up my gnoming significantly. I'm curious though if there is a way to reposition the links, and if there is, would someone with the talent be so kind as to help set that up for me? I don't know if it's a simple matter of tweaking my personal CSS preferences, or what, but I have no CSS skills. Here's what I'm interested in changing:
- Before
13:42 Template talk:Infobox television (14 changes | 1 since last visit | history) . . (+5,415) . . [Mdrnpndr; Bignole; Alakzi; Gonnym (3×)... 13:41 Jurassic World (2 changes | history) . . (+211) . . [99.241.85.243 (2×)] 13:41 Kid vs. Kat (6 changes | 2 since last visit | history) . . (+197) . . [Cyphoidbomb; ClueBot NG; 104.228.196.50 (4×)] 13:39 Sesame Street (diff | hist) . . (0) . . 107.220.162.168 (talk) [rollback] 13:38 Blaze and the Monster Machines (2 changes | history) . . (0) . . [98.18.219.99 (2×)]
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(14 changes | 1 since last visit | history) 13:42 Template talk:Infobox television . . (+5,415) . . [Mdrnpndr; Bignole; Alakzi; Gonnym (3×)... (2 changes | history) 13:41 Jurassic World . . (+211) . . [99.241.85.243 (2×)] (6 changes | 2 since last visit | history) 13:41 Kid vs. Kat . . (+197) . . [Cyphoidbomb; ClueBot NG; 104.228.196.50 (4×)] (diff | hist) 13:39 Sesame Street . . (0) . . 107.220.162.168 (talk) [rollback] (2 changes | history) 13:38 Blaze and the Monster Machines . . (0) . . [98.18.219.99 (2×)]
While this may not seem like a significant difference, it is for me, because it's more efficient to have all the diff links in the same spot the way they appear in the regular watchlist. This would help me burn through more articles quicker, instead of having to hunt down the links in the Before example. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- This will require Javascript and I think it's probably more complex than that since the information being dumped to the watchlist page is not marked up with convenient classes to target items in the rows in question. --Izno (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Gah! Well if anyone else has any thoughts I'd be grateful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Search Field on Wikipedia's Mobile Homepage
Phone is a Blackberry 9930 with OS7. (Long live Blackberry; I hear OS10 works so much better.)
On the phone, the search field on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page appears as a dark gray bar across the top of the webpage. When I click the gray bar, a "new menu" appears on the left side of the display: Home, Random, Nearby, etc. The new menu leaves the right quarter of the display uncovered, but faded out. If I click on the right-side area that's uncovered but faded, the menu goes away. But I never did get access to the Search field that I wanted to type into.
I've tried clicking on the gray bar, to the left of the gray bar, and to the right of the gray bar. I also tried reducing my display font size to minimum, just in case a larger font was covering something. Either way, I just get that new menu, but I can't access the Search function.
When I hit Random (in the new menu), I get a random page. Once, it did not have the dark gray bar at top and once it did, but when I clicked on the Search field at the top of the page whether the gray bar was there or not, I only got the new menu, again, anyway, with no chance to search.
Since searching on the mobile homepage stopped working a few weeks ago, my best work-around has been to use Wikipedia's desktop homepage on my phone. But, the mobile homepage was a little easier to use when it worked.
I would like to acknowledge that the search field on the mobile homepage was also out of commission about a year ago. I could click on the search field, but was unable to effect a cursor from which to type. The field was visible but not accessible. I appreciated when that problem was fixed.
Thanks for checking out this problem, too. 75.110.100.120 (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- The black search field sounds like phab:T98498. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:32, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Collapsibles and sortables
Not only collapsibles do not collapse (as pointed out above) but also sortables do not sort.--The Theosophist (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think the whole of Wikipedia has got gremlins somewhere. As when I delete or archive content from my own talk page, it flags up that I have a new talk page message; when I haven't. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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What gadgets do I need to stop vandalism?
Can I get a list? ThatKongregateGuy (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, there's one at Wikipedia:Vandalism#Tools. I recommend Twinkle to start with, and also you should read the entire Wikipedia:Vandalism page so that you know what you are getting yourself into. :) And if you have any questions, the Teahouse is a good place to ask. Good luck! — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Unread item flagged on block log entries in watchlist
My watchlist includes block log entries of newly blocked users if I have previously posted to that users talk page. The watchlist continues to show the entry as an unread item after I have visited the block log and the user and talk pages of both the performer and target of the block. How are these ever meant to be marked as read short of clicking "Mark all pages as visited"? Using the nuclear option is not always appropriate. SpinningSpark 15:01, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- As far as I know, that is the only way to clear those and other log entries (like moves).
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
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Prevent (or at least warn against) broken reference names
I wonder why it's impossible to make edits that introduce blacklisted URLs, yet it is possible to make edits that break reference names. Not only it is possible, but not even a warning is issued. No wonder Category:Pages with broken reference names keeps growing: it is fairly easy to break the articles this way, yet it's sometimes very difficult to fix them.
Issuing a warning would be fine, and even blocking the edit completely - like URL blacklist does - would probably be OK, as I don't think there is ever a good reason to break ref names. Is there maybe a plan to enhance the MediaWiki software in this direction? GregorB (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Blocking the edit would not be OK. Non-techies are often confused by HTML and template syntax. They come to grok it after a while; we don't wanna drive them away at their first attempt. Alakzi (talk) 21:53, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- That's a good point - yet what happens when then try to insert a blacklisted URL is not any better. Anyway, a warning would do the trick, and it shouldn't be that hard to implement. I'm not sure where to go with this idea - certainly others have thought of this before, but everything depends on the MediaWiki developers. GregorB (talk) 09:06, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- I wonder if an edit filter or edit tag could be created to mark the diffs that do this. In my experience, it's sometimes easier to fix these things if you can see the exact edit in which it happens. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- That's a good point - yet what happens when then try to insert a blacklisted URL is not any better. Anyway, a warning would do the trick, and it shouldn't be that hard to implement. I'm not sure where to go with this idea - certainly others have thought of this before, but everything depends on the MediaWiki developers. GregorB (talk) 09:06, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Moving pages over redirects
When you move a page over a redirect the associated talk page can't always be moved, as it is not always a redirect to the page or it may have content. This leads to an awkward mess of redirects between articles and talk pages and eventually speedy deletions and moves that nobody wants to deal with, so can anything be done about this? Making some way for the talk pages to be replace, that is? Kharkiv07 (T) 20:41, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- The limitations are there for a reason (because it is a dangerous action). Convenience is traded in for security here. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Option to indent once, not all paragraph?
Is there a styling option to show a paragraph that has only the initial line indented, and then returns to regular left-side justification (after regular unforced line wrappings)?
A constructed demo:
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Sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor
(that is: after 'doloR' follows an unforced line wrapping, and then 'Sit' alignes left-justified). -DePiep (talk) 21:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
text-indent
might be what you're looking for. Alakzi (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)- Works! I apply:
<div style="text-indent:5em">{{Lorem ipsum}}</div>
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- Created {{text-indent}}. -DePiep (talk) 22:11, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Multiple redirect tool needed
I'm in the middle of making a bunch of redirects to System integration. These include:
- System integration lab
- Systems integration lab
- System integration labs
- Systems integration labs
- System integration laboratory
- Systems integration laboratory
- System integration laboratories
- Systems integration laboratories
and the same with different capitalisation.
I could use tool, which allows me to enter all the required variants, and the target, and creates all those which do not already exist, adding a {{R from alternative name}} or similar template. If it can take a list like that above and automatically include title-case variants (e.g. System Integration Lab, etc.), so much the better.
Does anyone know of such a tool, or is anyone wiling to make one, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:27, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- There was this this page... I included this idea at the Community Tech project ideas (no offense, Technical 13 :) ). --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- AWB can create a list of pages with prefilled text and automatically skip pages that already exist. SiBr4 (talk) 10:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
What happened to reflinks??
Reflinks is gone. Why? Who done it? Where's the replacement? Gracias if you know anything. (Paging User:Zhaofeng Li, User:Technical 13...) Red Slash 23:29, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Red Slash: The tool has been moved to toollabs:refill, and the old link is now a redirect. I've fixed the redirect, but you should please update your bookmark anyway for better performance. Zhaofeng Li [talk ♦ contribs] 23:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Central login message
I have not seen this message before. Recording it just in case Operations needs the data:
"No active login attempt is in progress for your session."
The login appeared to succeed. (I'm here)
--Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:52, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Help:Customizing toolbars
I will be deleting User:Gadget850/Help:Customizing toolbars in a few weeks. If someone wants to take it over and expand it, please do so. -- Gadget850 talk 10:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Identical citations.
Is there a way to hide identical citations so there isn't 3 or 4 of the same reference in the reflist? I'm working on Tales of Frankenstein, and I have 7 or 8 in my reflist with only 3 sources. Inkwell765 (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- See WP:REFNAME. Nthep (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- In this article I already did it. See my edit. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- BTW, wouldn't it be possible to track down such articles (where are references with the same content)? Or – couldn't the system automatically group such references as it does with {{sfn}} – when you're using for example
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multiple times, in the reference list it is shown as one reference, not multiple. I understand, that it is a little bit different, but why not? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- BTW, wouldn't it be possible to track down such articles (where are references with the same content)? Or – couldn't the system automatically group such references as it does with {{sfn}} – when you're using for example
- In this article I already did it. See my edit. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 20:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
@Edgars2007 Thank you so much. That was fast service, you're a Computer Guru²! I will try to figure it out, I'm learning, incrimentaly. Inkwell765 (talk) 20:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Active Watchers tool no longer working
While I was checking the active watchers of my talk page via Equazcion's Active Watchers tool, it instead redirected me to the page in which it said, "no redirect found", assuming that it was one of the technical difficulties after the tool server shutdown, so a new link for that tool should be re-created on Labs. The Snowager-is awake 04:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
"wikitable sortable" tables are no longer sortable V2.0
Same problem as here "wikitable sortable" tables are no longer sortable. Sortable is not working. Example here List of Australian Group races. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed. I took out a bunch of code. Re-introduce it if you like, bit by bit, to see what was causing the trouble. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak: Not fixed. Maybe for IE but definitely not for Firefox V38.0.1 Also why change the example that was given? That is not the problem. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 09:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, Brudder Andrusha. It was unsortable when I first saw it in Chrome. I removed the code and it became sortable. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak: Not fixed. Maybe for IE but definitely not for Firefox V38.0.1 Also why change the example that was given? That is not the problem. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 09:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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- I do not know if the table was sortable for others before I modified it. If the table as it is now is not sortable on Firefox Win7 38.0.1, then I think all tables are not sortable across Wikipedia using Firefox Win7 38.0.1 Win7. This is because I simplified it to be like any other sortable table. Try List of commercially important fish species and tell me if that sorts. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak:, I completely restarted Firebox and it is not functional. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 10:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Tables at both articles are not sortable? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Correct. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Anna Frodesiak & Brudder Andrusha, that table was sortable all along. Only, the sort buttons were invisible. It's a well know issue with using the wrong code to provide a background-color in a header cell containing a sort button, as explained here. Anyway, I fixed it now. Tvx1 10:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Tables at both articles are not sortable? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak:, I completely restarted Firebox and it is not functional. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 10:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I do not know if the table was sortable for others before I modified it. If the table as it is now is not sortable on Firefox Win7 38.0.1, then I think all tables are not sortable across Wikipedia using Firefox Win7 38.0.1 Win7. This is because I simplified it to be like any other sortable table. Try List of commercially important fish species and tell me if that sorts. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Anna Frodesiak:, not on Firefox Win7 38.0.1! Also the previous version of List of Australian Group races does not work on IE. This did function as expected for eons. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 09:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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- I have made snapshots of the screen so its clear what is visible and what is functional. Take a look at the snapshots is here. As you will see the function arrows for sorting are not visible and cannot be activated when viewing the article.Brudder Andrusha (talk) 11:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I guess I am not typing loud enough. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- You can type as loud as you like but my eyes are telling me that there is a difference between with what is on the screen when I see the article and when I'm in Show Preview mode & the sort button wherever it is DOES NOT WORK. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Lots of stuff just doesn't work (and never has) in a preview though. Try _saving_ the page. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why personal frustrations are even raising up here. Andy Dingley, Brudder Andrusha is saying that it does work in preview, but does not do so in normal mode.Tvx1 12:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, I only raised this issue because this has only been broke a couple of days ago. I had not touched the wikitable sortable header setting ever on that example page and had been using it for at least 4 years.Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, okay, you don't have to shout! I didn't see [2] then [3]. If you cannot see, in regular view, List of commercially important fish species as sortable, then the problem is your end. Nothing is broken this end. That table is sortable to us. I'm sorry to have agitated you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I disagree. There is something definitely different with the behaviour of wikipedia sortable on Firefox 38.0.1. Again have a look at the images that I have saved here. Clearly the article in Firefox does not show the sortable arrows and the button is non functioning for sorting and it is available in Show Preview mode. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, okay, you don't have to shout! I didn't see [2] then [3]. If you cannot see, in regular view, List of commercially important fish species as sortable, then the problem is your end. Nothing is broken this end. That table is sortable to us. I'm sorry to have agitated you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, I only raised this issue because this has only been broke a couple of days ago. I had not touched the wikitable sortable header setting ever on that example page and had been using it for at least 4 years.Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- You can type as loud as you like but my eyes are telling me that there is a difference between with what is on the screen when I see the article and when I'm in Show Preview mode & the sort button wherever it is DOES NOT WORK. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I guess I am not typing loud enough. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I have made snapshots of the screen so its clear what is visible and what is functional. Take a look at the snapshots is here. As you will see the function arrows for sorting are not visible and cannot be activated when viewing the article.Brudder Andrusha (talk) 11:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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- My OS is Windows 7.Brudder Andrusha (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Ah, sorry, I misread the "Firefox WinXP" comment above as yours. Tarc (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- If you think the problem is with Firefox 38.0.1, then how do you explain these sortable tables to work perfectly with that same Firefox 38.0.1 on Mac OS 10.10.3 and on my ten year old WinXP? And if it is a problem with the browser there is nothing we can do about it. We can only fix the wik and thus far we have not found the problem to be with the wiki. It's not that we don't want to help you. Tvx1 19:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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Article print malfunction
"Print page" is malfunctioning, it is including the navigation menu and other non-article content, even my username! This behaviour is new, though it has been quite a long time since I last printed an article. I'm using Chrome on Windows 7, both fully updated. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Any example page where this happens? Does that also happen in the print preview already? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, I guess that's this software bug: phab:T93746. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Is CSD:U5 dead?
Antawn souffrant was blocked a few days ago by Beeblebrox for persistent self-publicity (WP:NOTHERE), and all his vanity edits cleared away. His user page which had been U5'd is back, grandfathered in from meta:User:Antawn souffrant thanks to global user pages.
So far as I can see, we've lost the effectiveness of CSD U5. Can the grandfathering process be blocked for blocked users? Bazj (talk) 13:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- No, I don't think so, and in the presumably rare case where this happens, it's easy to fix. I simply created a blank user page to override the global user page brought over from Meta. —DoRD (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes! Creating a blank page IS the blocking process. Looks like this will need to be standard procedure for the deletion of a blocked user's user page from now on. Bazj (talk) 14:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, only if they already have a page at meta. This explains a few things as i happened just yesterday to be looking at an article on another project that I had never edited and they had a copy of my meta user page, and I was wondering why on earth they would have done that. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- The functionality is useful, but some of these consequences were perhaps not considered. I wonder if we should seek a local configuration change to automatically prevent global userpage display of blocked users, and whether prevention of global userpage display can be done through protection (or perhaps a switch during deletion), which would be more elegant than making a blank page. –xenotalk 19:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, only if they already have a page at meta. This explains a few things as i happened just yesterday to be looking at an article on another project that I had never edited and they had a copy of my meta user page, and I was wondering why on earth they would have done that. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes! Creating a blank page IS the blocking process. Looks like this will need to be standard procedure for the deletion of a blocked user's user page from now on. Bazj (talk) 14:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Well, I took the liberty of blanking the meta page. It seems that Beeblebrox tried raising the issue over there but ran into one of the local cranks, so who knows how far that'll go. Tarc (talk) 19:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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Mark-blocked script marking globally locked users?
Hi! I am a SPI Clerk and I'm using the Mark-blocked script (User:NuclearWarfare/Mark-blocked script.js, it is imported from ru.wikipedia). That script marks all linked blocked users with a strikethrough. That is very useful for the SPI. But, sometimes, user is not blocked but is globally locked. This script does not mark such users. I am not familiar with those scripts, so I'm asking somebody more experienced: Is it possible to change this script so that it also marks globally locked users somehow? Thanks a lot! Vanjagenije (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Stats grok no longer maintained???
If you look at any stats.grok page, it used to say it was maintained by Henrik. His name has been removed. Does this mean no one maintains this? That would explain why it broke and nobody is doing anything. Maybe Henrik's user page should have some kind of Inactive banner at the top, so people don't post useless threads there.— Maile (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2015 (UTC)