Make it YOURS?
Anything else just wastes your time, doesn't it?
Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth
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Contents
- 1 Unfinished business
- 2 My intentions
- 3 Wikipedia
- 4 Paine's Favorite Poetic Verse
- 5 Countering systemic bias (CSB)
- 6 Vandal info
- 7 Talk page search code
- 8 The Wikipedia Signpost (ancient name)
- 9 VisualEditor newsletter
- 10 New messages go below –
- 11 5 Million: We celebrate your contribution
- 12 Thanks
- 13 Precious
- 14 ArbCom elections are now open!
- 15 Please join the conversation
- 16 Red-letters banner on new template
- 17 {R from incorrect punctuation} vs. {R from mod}
- 18 Seasons' greetings Paine!
- 19 Shortcuts
- 20 This is a redirect/rcat
- 21 What's up?
- 22 Recreated {j} as template
- 23 RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes
- 24 External link
- 25 Rcats on Super Mario (series)
- 26 Question about redirect templates
- 27 User:Paine Ellsworth/Wikipedia
- 28 Hi Paine
Unfinished business
- An essay on the printability of redirect pages
My intentions
Every day I say to myself:
"This is an amazing day –
Full of love and joy!
All good is coming to me today –
This is the BEST day of my life!"
Followed by "So be it for everyone everywhere who is good!"
Now if only I could get several billion people to think the same way. Just imagine how different the world would be. Painius
Wikipedia
Wikipedia is a magic quilt that soars over a world of imagination without end! See also:
- See also Wikipedia in the media
Oh! what a tangled web we weave
Whene'er we serve as Wikipedians!
Fact is, when you have opened and closed at least a dozen browser tabs or windows while you edit this encyclopedia, then you must be doing something right!
Follow the bouncing
encyclopædia...
You don't get no respect?
- (from the song Respect, the Otis Redding – Aretha Franklin hit)
Paine's Favorite Poetic Verse
O camerado close! O you and me at last, and us two only.
O a word to clear one's path ahead endlessly!
O something ecstatic and undemonstrable! O music wild!
O now I triumph—and you shall also;
O hand in hand—O wholesome pleasure—O one more desirer and lover!
O to haste firm holding—to haste, haste on with me.
– Walt Whitman – Starting from Paumanok, verse 19.
- Some of Paine's own ...
- Oh Good Night! I Love the night;
- The sight of starlight feels so right;
- The light of Day just seems too bright;
- No Fright at all – I Love the Night!
- – Paine Ellsworth
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- To J_____
In the Spring of our Lives,
'Tis our Duty to ask,
Is there "one thing" that drives
Us, one Purpose, Life task?
As you Soar to the Sky,
And you find your "one thing",
You grow more, by and by,
Till your Summer days sing!
When the Autumn embraces,
O sing your September,
Old friends and young faces,
You smile and remember.
After some point see clearly
In Life's pull and shove:
Whate'er be your "one thing",
'Tis based on your Love.
- Nursery rhyme
Jack Sprat could eat no fat;
His wife could eat no lean –
My wife and I the reverse of that,
As reverse as ever seen!
Here is an interesting story! (You might have to scroll back up just a bit to "Change of Heart".) It's about one of my Peace Corps trips to Africa that's been published in one of Joe Vitale's books. ("Scott Ley" is another pen name of mine.)
Countering systemic bias (CSB)
Review and Improve: Origin of AIDS – continue investigation!
Vandal info
Storm warning. (High level of vandalism.) 7.98 RPM according to APersonBot22:00, 29 March 2016 (UTC) |
Talk page search code
<inputbox>
bgcolor=transparent
type=fulltext
prefix=User talk:(your exact Username here)
break=yes
width=60
searchbuttonlabel=Search (your Username or a nickname here) Talk page and Archives
</inputbox>
and on your talk page that code will render...
As an example, my code looks like...
<inputbox>
bgcolor=transparent
type=fulltext
prefix=User talk:Paine Ellsworth
break=yes
width=60
searchbuttonlabel=Search the Ellsworth Talk page and Archives
</inputbox>
and up above in my Welcome box that code renders...
Joys! Paine
(ancient name)
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Thanks
For all your good work with responding to protected-template edit requests, have this cat. Me-- ROAR! [Golly, they really ought to wipe their desk, whoever they are.] Alakzi (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- I consider this high praise coming from you, Alakzi! Thank you beyond words! (and my own loving "Kitten Face" thanks you, too!) Paine 18:01, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Precious
mindfulness
Thank you for quality contributions in the field of astronomy, citizen of the world, for gnomish ambition, for your heartfelt welcoming quoting darkness and dream, for inspiring thoughts such as Respect, and for noticing darkness and dream, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
- Thank you, Gerda! Seems like every time I read one of your posts I encounter your "words of reason and trust". Thank you for that, too! Be prosperous! Paine 09:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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- You probably didn't read my talk then, in 2013 or now, - felt at home when reading your comment about age and health. Working on wake up, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- ps: I banned the health stuff to the archive, but kept my dangerous dreams and "I have a lot of compassion for Alakzi - as for other victims - but no intention to marry". (13 August) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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- "Ahhh, Bach" (from M*A*S*H) and "the sleeper will awaken" (from Dune). Forgive the TV and film references – they just popped into my mind as I read your message. I still hope that Alakzi will bounce back. Too good an editor to lose. Oh how many times I have felt the sting of the negative passions of good Wikipedians. But "retired" is not in my personal dictionary! Paine 11:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Alakzi returned three times, always to my delight. Is "vanished" in your dictionary? See also. Just for curiosity: what do you get first when you "google" the name? (I would like to find out if you get the same result as I do.) Look for the name on my talk: excellent reading, many times. Caution: dangerous thoughts, imagine: amnesty. I am grateful to have had the chance and pleasure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Re: "vanished"... yes, and I suppose there are several reasons for WPNs to just vanish; however, I don't "see" myself vanishing until I'm past caring. First up on Google is Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Alakzi. Thank you, again, Gerda! Paine 15:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Alakzi returned three times, always to my delight. Is "vanished" in your dictionary? See also. Just for curiosity: what do you get first when you "google" the name? (I would like to find out if you get the same result as I do.) Look for the name on my talk: excellent reading, many times. Caution: dangerous thoughts, imagine: amnesty. I am grateful to have had the chance and pleasure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- "Ahhh, Bach" (from M*A*S*H) and "the sleeper will awaken" (from Dune). Forgive the TV and film references – they just popped into my mind as I read your message. I still hope that Alakzi will bounce back. Too good an editor to lose. Oh how many times I have felt the sting of the negative passions of good Wikipedians. But "retired" is not in my personal dictionary! Paine 11:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Please join the conversation
You are invited to a discussion at MediaWiki talk:Move-redirect-text#Redr to help determine consensus in regard to whether or not to use the {{This is a redirect}} (shortcut is "Redr") template to apply {{R from move}} automatically to redirects that are left behind from page moves. Happy holidays! Paine 16:00, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Red-letters banner on new template
Hi there, maybe you know the answer to this one, if you can please spare a minute: I've just created the Template:R from US military aircraft designator, which I hope makes enough sense to be kept, but it comes up with a big red-letter banner on it ("The above rcat should only be used to categorize redirects that are in the main namespace") which I'm not sure where it comes from and how to get rid of it. I used Template:R from IMO number as a starting point for my template and cannot figure out why on earth that template is normal and mine has the banner. Thanks in advance for any explanation. --Deeday-UK (talk) 01:29, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- You've done a very good job on that one, Deeday-UK! And yes, there is a subtle step that must be taken to get rid of the error box. It is described in the documentation of {{This is a redirect/rcat}}. I've made the necessary addition for you, so the new rcat should now appear normal. If it doesn't, then be sure to purge your cache to make the error box disappear. I'm working on a simpler solution for this. Happy holidays! Paine 01:59, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
To Deeday-UK: I want to let you know that I'm very grateful to you for inspiring me to return to my work on this situation with mainspace rcats, such as the one you recently created. I found a way to simplify {{Incorrect redirect template}} so there is no longer a need to add newly created rcats to a switch inside the code. Can't thank you enough! Happy holidays! Paine 10:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- No problem. Well done for making the incorrect redirect template maintenance-free, and happy holidays to you too. --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
{R from incorrect punctuation} vs. {R from mod}
You removed the {R from you incorrect punctuation} tag. I had placed because I don't think "modification" covers it. "Modification" could be correct or incorrect. And when I put a "misspelling" tag on it that got reverted too because it wasn't severe enough to warrant being called a "misspelling". What should I do? I want to tag things like this with something that makes it clear they shouldn't be linked to. Thanks. Faceless Enemy (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Faceless Enemy (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- To Faceless Enemy: I do understand how frustrating it can be sometimes. In this case, the fact is that {{R from incorrect punctuation}} is a redirect to the main template {{R from modification}}, so either way the redirect will be sorted to the Category:Redirects from modifications. It has been consensus for a long time to treat the redirects that were incorrectly hyphenated instead of endashed as "modifications of their target page". These redirects are important for searches because people will use the hyphen from their keyboard to search for the subject of the target article. If you are thinking about a separate rcat template that covers only incorrect punctuation, then you might want to bring that up on the talk page at Template talk:R from modification to see if other editors share your thoughts. Happy holidays! Paine 17:48, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Seasons' greetings Paine!
Paine, hope your holidays are happy, and a happy new year! Steel1943 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Right back atcha, Steel Man! U da Bomb! Happy holidays! Paine 17:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Shortcuts
Shortcuts exist to make referring to pages easier in discussions, typing them into the URL bar faster, and easier to remember personally, not for making links in WP:POLICY pages obtuse and less transparent. And WP:NOTBROKEN is not a revert rationale unless the change was worse than what was there before; the moment you reverted me on that you were violating the NOTBROKEN principle yourself. :-) The actual message of NOTBROKEN is that many redirects are useful as such and should not be bypassed just for the sake of bypassing them. When the real title of the page, or even another redirect to it, is more useful in the context than the redirect that was originally selected, it's entirely routine to bypass or replace the redirect in question. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 12:45, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Got it. Happy New Year! Paine 19:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
This is a redirect/rcat
Did a discussion take place regarding the application of {{This is a redirect/rcat}} in the manner in which it currently displays (e.g. [1]) to Rcat Templates? Hope the new year is going well for you, —Godsy(TALKCONT) 18:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- That was a project that was on my list of things to do that I finished recently. For a long time I've thought that editors should be able to see both types of rcat application, {{This is a redirect}} and individual, on each rcat page. As you may know, before the inclusion of the /rcat template, all the rcats showed only the individual application. Over time and with help from other editors, I was able to introduce the /rcat template with a few flaws, and yet it viably did its job as long as I closely monitored newly created, mainspace-only rcats, which produced errors that editors found very difficult to fix. I was able to deal with those errors. And now, as you can see by the discussion linked above, the final flaws have been eliminated. I am glad to hear any suggestions that may improve the /rcat template and the rcats themselves. Of course they are all on my watchlist, so I'm usually able to respond to rcat talk page requests/suggestions. Thank you, Godsy, for your well wishes, and Happy New Year to you also! Paine 21:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
What's up?
Hi,what's up? Just testing my first conversation in Wikipedia Md Alamin Bijoy (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Md Alamin Bijoy, what's up with you? Good news! Your test worked and you are very welcome to Wikipedia! You are doing very well so far. You remembered to use your sig, and many new editors forget that. Here's a little tip: when you open a new discussion on a talk page, click the "New section" link at the top of the page. That opens the edit screen and reminds us to include a section header (Subject/headline). As you can see, that can also be accomplished directly as I have done above by using the
syntax. Keep up the good work, and please don't be discouraged by warning posts like the ones you received on your talk page. I got a few of those myself when I first started to edit this encyclopedia. It's a great learning process, and you can be a real boon to the project if you are willing to keep at it. Have a Happy New Year, and don't hesitate to ask questions when you want answers! Paine 09:31, 11 January 2016 (UTC)== (section header) ==
Recreated {j} as template
Hey, Wikid77 (talk) here. Thanks for discussing the RfD of {j}, as I had no idea it was used by 1,000 editors (not all 1,100+ pages were my edits). I have recreated the redirect {j} shortcut now as separate Template:J, designed as a simple shortcut for dyslexic users, more to avoid " " inverted as "nsbp" (or "nbps") but also shorter than "{nowrap}". The new template doc-page explains this:
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- The Template:J ("j" meaning "join") is used to join text on one line, as non-wrapped text. The short name as {{j}} has been used since 2010 for quick entry, instead of the short markup " " which is prone to typing inverted letters ("nsbp") especially by dyslexic users, and would appear as literal letters when misspelled in the text of a page. Also, the similar template {{nowrap}} is prone to interleaved spellings (such as "norwap" or "nowarp"), and so {j} has improved accessibility for such users to edit wikitext more easily.
As the author of the prior redirect {j}, then I imagined to be notified about the TfD (was not) when I was very active on WP at the time, but Jimp has taken a mission to delete many templates I have developed over the years, without discussing with me first. Anyway, sorry not there at RfD to explain "j" was a very short alternative to "nbsp" for dyslexic users (or mobile phone edits), and even name "nw" risks "wn" when used dozens of times per page (or seems very "northwest" [nw] to many users). In the U.S. pages, the hyphen roadnames ("I-95" or "I-22") also need short nowrapping, and so {j} was perfect for all uses. The one drawback was explaining how "j" means "join on one line" now easily shown in the new separate doc-page. Thanks again for your time spent researching these issues. I learned a lot from you in reading the RfD. -Wikid77 (talk) 06:40, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Pleasure! Paine
RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes
There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- To Guy Macon: Thank you very much for this notification! – Are you worth it? Yes! you are! Paine 22:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
External link
Hey Paine I just found this new site and thought you might enjoy it or perhaps participating in it. I'll put it on your aol addy, as links don't seem to work on this Wiki thingy.
Bill(oc)
- Hey Bill
- That's a blog reminiscent of alt.astronomy (waxing nostalgic).
- Just so you'll know, a link to an external site like that can be done three ways on Wikipedia, for example:
- the bare URL,
, rendershttps://www.reddit.com/r/holofractal
- the use of a bracket at each end,
, renders[https://www.reddit.com/r/holofractal]
- and the use of a bracket with text,
, renders[https://www.reddit.com/r/holofractal external link]
- the bare URL,
- Pretty easy stuff, and different from internal links where there are two brackets at each end and a pipe (|) separator instead of a space when needed such as
, which renders[[User talk:Gondoofus|your talk page]]
- Sent an email response to you. Paine 03:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Had some computer problems lately. Couple of things: To edit a section all you have to do is to click on "edit" next to the header, which in this case is "External link". It is customary not to erase anything that has already been posted to the section. Just add new text at the bottom of the section. Also, try to remember not to indent with a tab or spaces when you start to type. With this software, that causes the text to be enclosed in a box and makes it difficult to follow your thoughts. Just begin at the left margin or use colons to indent, as I did with this response. If you click the "Show preview" button you will see what your post will look like before you save it. I sent another email to you. Be prosperous! Paine 17:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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Rcats on Super Mario (series)
What was the reason for adding the explicit "unprintworthy" Rcat here, given that R from unnecessary disambiguation already categorizes as unprintworthy? (I have no objection to the use of {{redr}}
.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 03:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Please see the Printworthiness note in the documentation. The listing in the mbox will not appear unless the {{R unprintworthy}} is called within the Redr template. A while ago, I had programmed Redr to automate this, but an editor complained about the superfluous repetition, which I agreed could be very distracting in many cases. Be prosperous! Paine 02:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Question about redirect templates
Why isn't a template like {{R from song}}
a wrapper for {{This is a redirect|from song}}
? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- Forgive me, Martin, I do not understand your question. R from song is an rcat, while This is a redirect is a template that "wraps" from 1 to 7 rcats. How would one rcat be a wrapper for a template that can apply the rcat within it? Paine 17:14, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Could you not replace the contents of Template:R from song with simply
{{This is a redirect|from song}}
, so that when someone types{{R from song}}
it has the same effect as typing{{This is a redirect|from song}}
? Does the former have any additional functionality from the latter? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)- Yes, the functionalities of the two templates are very different. R from song is a basic redirect category (rcat) template that contains the code to categorize redirects to Category:Redirects from songs. The This is a redirect template's code calls from 1 to 7 basic rcat templates, in this case either by
{{This is a redirect|R from song}}
or{{This is a redirect|from song}}
. If we were to replace the code in {{R from song}} as you suggest, then there would be no code to actually categorize a redirect to the Redirects from songs category. Paine 22:56, 3 February 2016 (UTC)- I have just replaced
{{R from song}}
with{{This is a redirect|from song}}
on the redirect Kiss It Better (Rihanna song) and it does still categorise into Category:Redirects from songs. And it has a few extra categories like Category:Protected redirects which is a bonus. So I still can't see what the former template achieves which the latter doesn't. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:25, 3 February 2016 (UTC)- When the redirect was created and the individual rcat, R from song, was applied, that was all that was needed to categorize the redirect to Category:Redirects from songs and Category:Unprintworthy redirects. That is because the code to do that is within the R from song rcat template. When you applied the This is a redirect template with R from song within it, the two basic categories did not change. What did change was the way the text was formatted on the redirect and, of course, the added benefit of automated protection sensing. The differences are described pretty well at {{This is a redirect/Comparison}}. And again, lest we forget, more rcats can be added very easily within the This is a redirect template, for example, if you were to add {{R unprintworthy}} to the redirect you created above. Then it would appear in the code as
{{this is a redirect|from song|unprintworthy}}
. If this is done, then the redirect is not only categorized as "unprintworthy", it will also show the text of the R unprintworthy rcat template in the Mbox. Paine 23:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- When the redirect was created and the individual rcat, R from song, was applied, that was all that was needed to categorize the redirect to Category:Redirects from songs and Category:Unprintworthy redirects. That is because the code to do that is within the R from song rcat template. When you applied the This is a redirect template with R from song within it, the two basic categories did not change. What did change was the way the text was formatted on the redirect and, of course, the added benefit of automated protection sensing. The differences are described pretty well at {{This is a redirect/Comparison}}. And again, lest we forget, more rcats can be added very easily within the This is a redirect template, for example, if you were to add {{R unprintworthy}} to the redirect you created above. Then it would appear in the code as
- I have just replaced
- Yes, the functionalities of the two templates are very different. R from song is a basic redirect category (rcat) template that contains the code to categorize redirects to Category:Redirects from songs. The This is a redirect template's code calls from 1 to 7 basic rcat templates, in this case either by
- Could you not replace the contents of Template:R from song with simply
Okay I understand now. Judging from your comments above and on Template:This is a redirect/Comparison, you believe that {{This is a redirect|from song}}
is superior to {{R from song}} for the following reasons:
- Automatic protection detection
- Ability to add more rcats just by adding additional parameters
So do you agree that it would be good if we were able to rewrite the templates so that typing {{R from song}} had the same effect as typing {{This is a redirect|from song}}
? How we do that is a different matter because I now understand that we can't just make the former as a wrapper for the latter without some major code changes! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Martin, since I began work on these rcats years ago, several more editors have become involved as can be seen on the rcats' talk pages and at Template talk:This is a redirect. Right now, there is no consensus as to whether to use the This is a redirect exclusively or to apply individual rcats exclusively. So if we were to find a way to apply the This is a redirect code in each individual rcat, we would first need to seek consensus to make the change, because then, each and every redirect that now has individual rcats would look very different. If there are two or three individual rcats on a redirect, then after the change there would be two or three mboxes, each representing only one rcat. So no, I would have to say that all things considered, it would not be good to rewrite the rcat templates so that typing, say, {{R from song}} would have the same effect as typing
{{This is a redirect|from song}}
. To be clear, say a redirect is now tagged in the following manner:- {{R without mention}} {{R from song}} {{R unprintworthy}}
- While there would be no actual change to the redirect itself, a change to those rcats like you suggest would effectively make the redirect page look like the following:
- I don't think we could get that past consensus. And there are other advantages to the This is a redirect usage that are described on the /doc page. The e# parameters can be used to give an explanation for a given rcat within the This is a redirect template. If an editor wants to explain something about the third rcat used, they can use
|e3=
to do so. And a general topnote or hatnote can be added with the|e0=
parameter. To illustrate this, I've added a|e1=
param to the last mbox above. These explanation parameters are unavailable when rcats are applied individually. Paine 18:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- I just had another rather unsettling thought, Martin. There are nearly 70,000 usages of the This is a redirect template, now. The above three rcats, if used in that template would look like:
- Now suppose we would implement your suggestion. We already can see above how it would appear on redirects that have rcats applied individually. Now let's look at those redirects that already have the This is a redirect template on them. Using the above three rcats, that would look like:
{{This is a redirect|This is a redirect|without mention|This is a redirect|from song|This is a redirect|unprintworthy}}
- Template loops, to the tune of many times the nearly 70,000, would be the undesired result. Paine 17:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- (Please let me know when you've seen this, Martin, so I can fix the template loops.) Paine 17:17, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Martin, I disabled the template loops – if you need to actually see them, you can do so by removing the:
tlx|
(Template:Code/sandbox)
(Template:Code)tlx|
(Template:Bcode)tlx|
- from the final This is a redirect template above. I suggest you just preview them, because as you know, if you save the edit you will once again engage the template loops. Assume good faith! Paine 03:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
User:Paine Ellsworth/Wikipedia
Would you consider adding a humor tag or the like to your page User:Paine Ellsworth/Wikipedia? On its face, it seems like a userspace copy of Wikipedia unless you're actually using that for draft work for the mainspace article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Be prosperous! Paine 15:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Paine
Sorry to butt in. I'm still next to clueless on using this Wiki thing. I sent a coupla e-mails to your aol box. If you'd rather I not send any more stuff, just say the word and I'll bug off. Gondoofus (talk) 04:58, 7 February 2016 (UTC)Bill
- To Gondoofus: Please, Bill, don't think you're "buttin' in". It's great to hear from you! I sent you two emails – didn't you get them? Paine 16:51, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
No, never got 'em. Don't know why, unless they were sent to the old sbcglobal addy.
I sent a test message on my gmail business line to see if maybe a return message will come thru using that line.