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What the fuck?
What the fuck, Chris? Were you serious? I have half a mind to block you for gross incivility. Suicide and/or depression are two very serious things. Don't make light of them. Never do that again. Ever. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Phillip's tour
Hey! I'm wondering how my page is too promotional when I just copied the format of other tours here on wikipedia ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7/27_Tour what's the difference? or this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgic_for_the_Present_Tour — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blujayyoung (talk • contribs) 01:36, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Blujayyoung: I completely understand where you're coming from but "other stuff exists" isn't a sufficient argument; most content on Wikipedia sucks so other articles aren't much of a yardstick with which to measure. My reason for deletion is that it's obviously promotional. Encyclopedias write about tours (in this case) that were notable, that had significant impact. That's not the case here so I can only assume you created the article because you're a fan and you're trying to push the tour. Hence, promotional. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- hmmm.. I really dont understand why my article is being deleted but other articles i just shared are basically the same doesn't get deleted... Of course, once the tour starts, I will be adding more information about the setlist, box office performance... I mean a LOT of tours on here have basically the same format as what I just did, i dont get why mine is being deleted. I mean what should I add? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blujayyoung (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Blujayyoung: First off, it's not your article. It's an article about Phillip Phillips and Matt Nathanson's tour. You just happened to write it. You gave away your contributions to the community, which is what we're all here to do. You shouldn't take this personally nor feel protective of it. If you want to nominate either of those other articles for deletion, be my guest; neither look all that notable. The format you used is fine; that's not the issue. I recommend that you find articles about the tour written in periodicals like Rolling Stone. Without good independent sources we can't write fair, unbiased articles and we'd be overwhelmed with articles about junk people read about on Facebook. Again, please read the policies and guidelines I've linked to. If all you want is an article about a tour maybe you should get your own website. If you want to contribute to an encyclopedia then you'll have to learn our rules. I guarantee you'll have a better experience once you understand how all this works. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
- hmmm.. I really dont understand why my article is being deleted but other articles i just shared are basically the same doesn't get deleted... Of course, once the tour starts, I will be adding more information about the setlist, box office performance... I mean a LOT of tours on here have basically the same format as what I just did, i dont get why mine is being deleted. I mean what should I add? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blujayyoung (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello Internet
This is my first time using 'talk' so please excuse any etiquette mistakes. I understand you're using Twinkle, but the page for the show relies on a primary source twice, (one really, because I added a thirdparty reference to one of them.) Therefore, the 'primary', 'refimprove', and 'third-party' tags are really unsubstantiated. Also, the podcast is notable enough, as it did make #1 podcast on itunes, and has 250k+ listeners. Typically I'd take these down myself, but you undid my original deletion of the notability tag and said "take it to the talk page" so here I am. Trying to be civil so would appreciate a response. As I am relatively new to editing articles, I would also like to ask if using copyrighted information with permission (like responding to a tweet asking if its ok with them) is applicable under wikipedia law. I'm sure I can find the answer, but I'm here so whatever. Thanks.TheNicolaScheme (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Edit: I just found the community talk page specifically for Hello Internet. I'm sure thats what you meant when you told me to take it to the talk page so, uh sorry. I'm here now anyway. TheNicolaScheme (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @TheNicolaScheme: You claim "the 'primary', 'refimprove', and 'third-party' tags are really unsubstantiated" but the present article relies on too many primary sources, more of the information should come from third parties, and the references generally need improved. That's why I added them. Let that be a lesson about removing a banner without addressing the issue. You also say "it did make #1 podcast on itunes, and has 250k+ listeners" That doesn't matter. Please read our notability criteria for web content.
- This article was merged into CGP Grey before because the podcast itself isn't notable. Yes, you like many Tims heard Grey say he thought the podcast is notable. It isn't. If it were, the article would exist.
- No, you may not use copyrighted information. The content has to be made freely available under WP:CC-BY-SA. Articles can be written in one's one words from copyrighted material without making any infringement, though. It shouldn't be necessary to use copyrighted content to write an article. If it were, then the article should likely not exist. The issue you need to surmount is notability. There aren't enough outside sources discussing the podcast which is why it's not generally notable. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Chris Troutman: I appreciate the response, and I take back my notability claim after reading the page more thoroughly (like I should have anyway). The present article hardly relies on primary sources (which I'm defining as the hellointernet.fm website, and anything direcly tied to Grey/Brady (ie: twitter, etc)), but you're the expert here. Eventually I'll be more well versed in all the rules and regulations, but thanks for responding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheNicolaScheme (talk • contribs)
Page Deletion Inquiry
Hello, I wrote & published an article on Friday regarding CoolSculpting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolsculpting) and it was deleted. I saw in the history notes that it was deleted due to seemed too promotional and it was redirected back to Cryolipolysis. I am happy to rewrite the post to be more encyclopedic. Could you please advise on what parts of the post may need revision? I cited as many scientific studies & press releases as possible, but would love some guidance.
I believe the redirect to cryolipolysis is misleading as cryolipolysis describes the method, but not the product itself. I did some quick research & saw that there are several other pages that have products separated from methods (for example, iPhone has its own page as a product, separate from its parent company Apple_Inc., which is separate from the product method, which would be smartphone or mobile device). Any advice is appreciated so that we can get this resolved. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedioatmeal (talk • contribs) 15:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Jedioatmeal: Sure. While there were academic articles about cryolipolysis used in the article, the content specifically about CoolSculpting was based on promotional or primary-source references. The trademarked process isn't notable, in any case, which is why that article was returned to being a redirect. Press releases don't help with notability and are generally frowned upon as sources. The article about the iPhone is separate from the article about smartphones because there are multiple independent reliable sources talking specifically about the iPhone. Really, there's nothing you can do to rewrite the content without the proper sourcing and that proper sourcing isn't something that can be bought. It concerns me that you remarked "so that we can get this resolved" (emphasis mine). Who's "we"? If you're a paid contributor working on behalf of a client you are required to divulge such on your userpage. There's already a substantial message on your talk page about our terms of use. Please read those very carefully and then consider if your editing of Wikipedia is allowed. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Chris trouman: Hi, I apologize it's taken me so long to respond. Finals kind of took over my life for a while. I'll see what I can do to change around some of the citations. This was actually a school project for me - I'm a nursing student and we were all assigned a non-invasive procedure to research and write a paper on & I was assigned CoolSculpting. When I was doing research for my paper, I noticed there wasn't a wiki page for it and figured I would make one using my paper as a base. As I said before, I'm fairly new to editing on Wikipedia and was hoping that we (as in you & I) could resolve any issues.
Future sports seasons
Try some WP:COMMONSENSE, the new season is starting in about 30 days (1 July), and CRYSTAL itself states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place", which applies here. GiantSnowman 16:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Welcome
My apologize. I'm in college and i have to edit something on wikipedia. That's why i just added something there. I didn't meant to do something bad. I don't know how to use exactly wikipedia except reading the informations from here. Ppoana (talk) 00:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Ppoana: If you don't know how to edit Wikipedia, then learn how first. We don't appreciate vandalism. Why exactly do you "have to edit something on wikipedia"? Class assignment? Chris Troutman (talk) 00:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes. It`s a class assignment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppoana (talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Ppoana: Ok. Do you know if your instructor has a course page here on Wikipedia? We have an outreach program for this sort of thing. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
No. He has not. I have to edit something and send the link of the page on E-mail. Anyway, i wrote an article,edit it and send it to him. I hope it's gonna work. Thank you! Ppoana (talk) 16:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Ppoana: Let me know if you need help. Please have your instructor take a look at Wikipedia:Education program/Educators. Thanks. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Request on 07:50:17, 2 June 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Cyblexy
- Cyblexy (talk · contribs)
- Draft:King Solomon International Business School ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hello Chris,
I am not sure to understand as there are plenty of schools / academies on wikipedia e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Academy_at_Peckham Other example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Federation (you have links on a dozen schools on this one) This is a primary and secondary school for kids between 4 and 19.
Many thanks for your guidance.
Cyblexy (Alex)
Cyblexy (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Cyblexy: The applicable guidelines are our guideline for schools which is part of our guidance on organizations as well as the general notability guideline. There aren't enough independent and reliable sources about the King Solomon school to pass either of those bars. Furthermore, the entry is still written promotionally. Phrases like "The school's point is to give a a high quality academic international, supported by an in number Christian ethos, to get ready youngsters to take their place in the present day business world and help them form into balanced, accomplishing and minding people." is ad copy. Wikipedia is not here to help promote anyone or anything. Finally, making a WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument doesn't work here, either.
- We have an essay, WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES which suggests that typically our consensus would choose to keep an article about a "high school." I am loathe to accept the dreck you've written but I would accept it only to nominate it for deletion. If the article is kept then you get what you want. If the article is deleted, then you will be prevented from re-creating it per WP:G4. I think going that route is a waste of everyone's time but if you want to take your chances, let me know. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Stasi article edit
Hi Chris, thanks for your comment. While what I added to the Stasi page might have seemed like a discussion edit, I actually intended it to be a content edit, to make it clear that the text in that section of the page was actually an abridged version of the text that exists on a different page (the page on the Stasi's informal collaborators). That other page has significantly more information, text, etc. that should be explicitly referenced in the Stasi article -- do you have a preferred way of accomplishing that? Thanks. 24.7.113.92 (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- @24.7.113.92: I partially reverted my edit. The link to the article about IMs is already present in that paragraph. Readers can explore the conversation there but creating a "see this here" link isn't appropriate per WP:CLICKHERE. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. Might I suggest an alternative edit, which has a heading for the subsection on personnel with the link to the IMs page? Either a "main article" or "see also" heading? (I don't know how to do those edits, but they seem appropriate here.) 24.7.113.92 (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- @24.7.113.92: Done Chris Troutman (talk) 15:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! 24.7.113.92 (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- @24.7.113.92: Done Chris Troutman (talk) 15:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. Might I suggest an alternative edit, which has a heading for the subsection on personnel with the link to the IMs page? Either a "main article" or "see also" heading? (I don't know how to do those edits, but they seem appropriate here.) 24.7.113.92 (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Talkback 06/09/2016
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Afc process
Hello, I submitted my first article a couple a days ago. I saved the article in my sandbox. The title of the article "Jeff Schwartz" was edited to Jeffrey E Schwartz (as it should have been initially). I did this because another reviewer pointed out the name conflict. I wasn't sure how to correct the conflict other than editing or creating another page. It wasn't an attempt to short cut the process. I simply couldn't find an answer on how to correct it. I appreciate your input but could you tell me how I could have done it properl so I will know next time.. ThanksCdevlin67 (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC) Cdevlin67 (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Cdevlin67: I understand you're new to this process, so let me explain. There was a grey box at the top of the draft, which had a button to submit the draft for review. You did that and submitted it here. There was a yellow box at the bottom of your draft indicating such. After that all you had to do was wait. By pasting the contents of that draft into the main namespace you opened that up to the community for review. We (the community) can correct the name of an article and it's not something you should have been worrying about. Again, we have the Articles for Creation WikiProject for a reason. I'm a firm believer that an unfinished house is a real problem. Your article still doesn't meet our naming convention so far as I can tell. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to explain. I just read your link to the real problem and found it very helpful. I had already linked my article to another WikiPage to address the orphan status at that point and realized the error in that. Thanks for shedding some light.Cdevlin67 (talk) 12:26, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
NPP / AfC
Hi. Just a reminder that in just over a week at Wikimania there's going to be a cross-Wiki discussion about the systems of control of new pages. This is a round-table rather than a presentation or a lecture. On the agenda are reforms to the new article reviewing systems and ways to help new users better understand our content policies. If you are going to Italy and would like to take part, please check out the conference schedule, and I look forward to seeing you there. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Stereo (mixtape)
I have WP:DEPRODDED this and redirected to Yelawolf_discography#Mixtapes. You are kindly reminded that editors should consider alternatives to deletion including WP:REDIRECTING WP:BEFORE proposing deletion. ~Kvng (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
A note
I was pointed towards your comments from when you declined Draft:Social Outlier. That sort of response isn't appropriate, especially for new users who really might not know the guidelines and policies. We should be helping them understand the rules, not biting them and being uncivil. Heck, we shouldn't even be snarky to someone who has 16k edits, just politely let them know what's going on. Primefac (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2016 (UTC)