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- 1 Happy New Year!
- 2 Orphaned non-free image File:The Address Downtown Dubai Flickr.jpg
- 3 Wikipedia:Requests for page protection
- 4 No. Please seek consensus before page moves
- 5 Fab Five: The Texas Cheerleader Scandal
- 6 Wikipedia talk:In the news/Recurring items
- 7 Odd comments
- 8 DYK for Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting
- 9 Voices Carry (album) (redirect) listed at Redirects for discussion
- 10 Draft:List of Cheers characters concern
- 11 AlphaGo logo
- 12 Orphaned non-free image File:Alphago-logo.png
- 13 Policy discussion in progress
- 14 Re: logic
- 15 DYK for Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia
- 16 Orphaned non-free image File:Buster keaton rides again.jpg
- 17 File:Buster Keaton Rides Again.jpg
- 18 Orphaned non-free image File:Regina Belle Baby Come To Me.jpg
- 19 Orphaned non-free image File:Regina Belle Baby Come To Me.jpg
- 20 Edward Perry Warren
- 21 WP:JR
- 22 Trout
- 23 Concerning the kerfuffle at: Dicklyon and his treatment on commas before Jr/Sr
- 24 Olive branch, and thoughts on how to approach style and usage on Wikipedia
- 25 ANI Notice
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! | |
Best wishes for a wonderful 2016!---- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC) |
Savvyjack23 (talk) 07:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:The Address Downtown Dubai Flickr.jpg
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Wikipedia:Requests for page protection
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I see your incorrectly listed requests and I have rearranged your edits to make them in the way that Beeblebrox had said to you to do. Thanks. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Qwertyxp2000 All you have done is re-list his requests without giving any indication of why PC should be re-added before it even expires. That was rather the whole point. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:51, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, I get it. Gees, but I think he should just relist them with the reasons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Beeblebrox, what about your reviewing some of those requests separately now that each request is requested separately? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Well, since you apparently refuse to try and provide a reason, sure, I'll go decline them all. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Beeblebrox, what about your reviewing some of those requests separately now that each request is requested separately? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, I get it. Gees, but I think he should just relist them with the reasons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
- Qwertyxp2000 All you have done is re-list his requests without giving any indication of why PC should be re-added before it even expires. That was rather the whole point. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:51, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
George, you have got to stop worrying so much about when protection expires. Right up there on the masthead it says this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, and we take that seriously. A certain amount of disruption and vandalism is expected here. It's a sign that the grand experiment is working. If a page needs protection again, it will get it then. Please, please stop flooding RFPP and our talk pages with these requests. Katietalk 16:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- I can't do that. See further comments at your talk page and WT:RFPP. George Ho (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
No. Please seek consensus before page moves
You can't use "present" in the name. That article will still exist years from now. No. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- There is Chinese stock market crash, a disambiguation page. Have you known that? --George Ho (talk) 01:22, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- Please stop. Please learn the rules for editing Wikipedia pages. Please let experienced editors make page moves. By the way, are you also using the name User:EggyEggPercent? Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- What? No! I'm not that person. You are mistaken. And how does another crash in 2016 not count? Why removing the RM banner? --George Ho (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- You're just using your own logic and your own opinion to make moves without finding WP:CONSENSUS on the best possible name first — in precisely the same way and on precisely the same page as User:EggyEggPercent. So please just stop doing things by yourself without consensus first. There seems to have been some consensus to move the page (perhaps), but NO consensus as to the appropriate name. And "present" is completely impossible. So stop. Please. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- What? No! I'm not that person. You are mistaken. And how does another crash in 2016 not count? Why removing the RM banner? --George Ho (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- Please stop. Please learn the rules for editing Wikipedia pages. Please let experienced editors make page moves. By the way, are you also using the name User:EggyEggPercent? Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Fab Five: The Texas Cheerleader Scandal
- George, there's been an IP editor changing the characters' names on the article here (edits before mine); I don't know whether the IP is correct but I reverted the changes as unexplained. Please feel free to re-revert me if the IP is correct, but it might be one to watch. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:In the news/Recurring items
Hey George. Could you explain the un-closing but keeping of my consensus statement? It's unclear to me whether sections should or shouldn't be closed on that page, I'm not familiar with it :) Sam Walton (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- As it makes no sense at all, I've undone George's edits. The item is now closed again, and removed from ITNR per the consensus found by the closing admin. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Odd comments
Your nomination here included some unnecessarily inflammatory commentary about another recently deceased individual. Whether you were trying to be funny or clever is irrelevant, it was disrespectful and unnecessary. Please do not do it again. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Voices Carry (album) (redirect) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Voices Carry (album) (redirect). Since you had some involvement with the Voices Carry (album) (redirect) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Draft:List of Cheers characters concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:List of Cheers characters, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.
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AlphaGo logo
Hi! I've removed the AlphaGo logo from the AlphaGo page because it does not display correctly. I'm not sure how what the best way to resolve this problem is, but could you please not put the logo back until there's some way to fix this? Thanks, -- The Anome (talk) 09:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:Alphago-logo.png
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Policy discussion in progress
There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects the capitalization of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", "I Like It Like That", "Love You Like a Love Song", &c., a question in which you previously participated. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — LlywelynII 11:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Re: logic
Hi George, I don't know. I didn't do the original protection; I just restored it to how it was after I deleted the article. Graham87 04:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia
— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:Buster keaton rides again.jpg
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File:Buster Keaton Rides Again.jpg
Re: "How does the DVD surpass the opening title in historical value? I received a notice saying that the screenshot is orphaned." --George Ho (talk) 05:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- See article: Buster Keaton Rides Again. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:29, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Since this debate continues, let me direct you to the notification placed on the wikifilm group's MOS dealing with the use of an image in the infobox:
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- "Ideally, an image of the film's original theatrical release poster should be uploaded and added to the infobox to serve as an identifying image for the article. Poster images can be found at websites such as Internet Movie Poster Awards or Internet Movie Poster Database. If a poster image cannot be found for the film, or if the film did not have a theatrical release, then a cover image of the film's display case (VHS, DVD, etc.) may be used instead."
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- Please note the following proviso: "In the absence of an appropriate poster or cover image, a screenshot of the film's title card may also be used."
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- The original screenshot is not a very good image, as it shows Buster Keaton from behind with a title credit superimposed over the image. When you notified me that you felt that the image should supplant cover art in the infobox and that it would be "orphaned", as a courtesy, I re-inserted the image into the article. I was careful to provide a rationale for the use of a "non-free" image, linking the "trademark Buster Keaton" outfit that was clearly evident in the photo to the screen persona of the comic actor. I also linked the caption to an authoritative reference source that identified the significance of the clothing that was Keaton's trademark "look".
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- Also, please note that in an infobox image, the following applies: "If very old poster or advertisement is found, do not hesitate to upload it and replace this image with it."
On a final note, when a referencing style is established, please do not re-visit the article and arbitrarily re-do the work already in place. The style that was used was the Harvard Citation guide for cites and the Modern Language Style Guide for reference notation. Do Not change styles to suit your interests. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:Regina Belle Baby Come To Me.jpg
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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:42, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:Regina Belle Baby Come To Me.jpg
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Edward Perry Warren
Thanks for notifying me about this. --rossb (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
WP:JR
Unless you mean to challenge WP:JR again, or argue that a comma is needed per its provisions, you should not be moving articles to include a comma in the name. All recent RFC and RM discussions affirm this consensus. Such moves are purely disruptive. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Wow, you escalated that to some serious disruption, got yourself trouted and almost boomeranged, and then opened a couple of clearly losing anti-MOS RM discussions. What is motivating this comma-inclusion feeling? Dicklyon (talk) 15:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Trout
Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. |
For looking foolish when disruptively proposing "Talk:Kim Davis (county clerk)#RfC: Proposing moratorium" on a talk page he had hardly ever participated in, with an apparent intention to stir up negative arguments and stifle normal processes while building up his own importance, telling people to stop doing things when they had already stopped doing them, all the while thinking the article must be highly volatile when in fact it had been quiet for many months (a fact he failed to notice). "I'll re-propose when further RMs result in 'no move' or 'no consensus'" he said as he withdrew his embarrassingly silly "moratorium proposal". No, he will not be doing that, as we will be watching to ensure that he doesn't. Prhartcom (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
George, you are capable of better, and I know you can succeed at Wikipedia, but you have got to stop with the pointy, bureaucratic behavior. Stop annoying people by running around here and there, doing officious but essentially useless tasks, and affecting people in negative ways. Instead, why not stop and focus some positive energy on one article for awhile and actually help the encyclopedia by creating some content? That's the core Wikipedia activity, you know. You could find a single article that you like and work to improve it, researching new reliable sources, possibly finishing by nominating it for WP:GA! What do you think? Let me know if I can help. Best of luck, Prhartcom (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- To amplify both of what Prhartcom is saying here, and what I'm saying two threads below, a good example of unconstructive "style omphaloskepsis" and pointless argument about trivia is Talk:Years Past Matter#"Past" in the title, an RfC launched to answer a pointless question that was not on anyone's mind and did not require the community's attention, followed immediately by Talk:Years Past Matter##Requested move 28 November 2015, to re-pursue the exact same question after the few people who GAF enough to respond the first time had already answered it. Next came the attempt to WP:FORUMSHOP the Talk:Love Me Like You#Requested move 12 February 2016 RM while the matter was already under discussion at WT:MOSCAPS. There are several other cases like this. This makes it ironic that you went after Dicklyon at WP:ANI for alleged singleminded and pointless pursuit of disruptive style nitpicks. It's psychological projection (blame-shifting).
As I tried, probably poorly, to indicate below, I think your input could be valuable on such matters, if your focus shifted to raising them when they're appropriate and meaningful within the project and for its goals, not pursuit of trivial nitpicks for their own sake. We have a tremendous amount of work to do to clean up our articles on English grammar, punctuation, and usage. They're embarrassingly poor, so we need additional, detail-oriented editors who care about the subject matter to work on them in earnest. I think you could be very helpful to WP in that capacity. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Concerning the kerfuffle at: Dicklyon and his treatment on commas before Jr/Sr
Just let it go in good grace, take a step back and breathe. Both of you don't come out smelling of roses. Just saying. Lectonar (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Olive branch, and thoughts on how to approach style and usage on Wikipedia
I've rescinded my topic-ban suggestion at ANI. On reflection, it was a less temperate than was warranted, and I think I was influenced to overreaction by recent behaviors of another editor, Darkfrog24 (now indefinitely blocked) that really could be described as "disruptive antics". It's not my intent to foment some kind of "feud" with you. ANI just isn't the place for trying to win content disputes, especially, especially about style matters, because most of the ANI crowd detest such arguments and tend to want to blame everyone involved ("punish everyone equally so they all shut up and stop arguing about minutiae").
To the extent I have any actual dispute with your general approach, not the ANI-related judgment, it's just your seeming [I don't read minds!] resistance to accepting sourcing and evidence when it comes to language matters, as if your own interior sense of what is "right" will not be swayed. If that turns out to be true, please do what Darkfrog24 could not: just let it go entirely, and pick a different topic area to "work" here. If I'm misreading you, and you continue working constructively in this general area, it's important to conceptualize and compartmentalize some things:
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It takes some work, some re-learning, and flexibility. Zero line-items in any of these policies and guidelines have 100% buy-in from all editors, and zero editors agree with 100% of the line-items found in these pages. We just accept them as the best, though ever-shifting, compromise we can come up with, and agree to "work" under it so we can actually get the work done instead of fighting 24/7 about style trivia. (It's the same at other publishers; it's not like you get to insist on non-NYT style when you write an op-ed for the New York Times.) Those peccadilloes can never be normalized since there are no universal, real-world standards to apply, just numerous options, some of which work great here and some of which are very unsuitable (plus many that don't matter either way, and which we thus do not address and leave to random editorial discretion). Our internal standards are based a combination of what has experientially worked best, what logically makes more sense, what high-quality, formal-English external sources are doing or recommend (secondarily to the first criterion), and sometimes just picking an option simply to have a single rule about something to put an end to fights about it. People who cannot separate their desire to be prescriptive from their article editing work write terrible article content. Those who cannot compartmentalize their descriptive urge and want to "source the MOS" make a mess of our internal guidelines. Both types of failed approach eventually lead to the ejection of the editor, at least from the topic area. Those who balance these approaches and learn to switch between them are invaluable to both parts of the project. Please be in that group. |
I hope this helps, and it is not intended as a haughty lecture or a strident chiding, but a "please be among the performers not the hecklers" invitation, and some advice based on a decade-plus of doing this stuff. :-) PS: I empathize with your socialization comment at page-top, and this may relate to our short-term friction. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 13:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (see here) - theWOLFchild 17:56, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- The reason I informed you of the ANI is because it involves the same person and the same issue that you recently dealt with. In fact, I mentioned and linked your ANI in mine. I would've simply added my concerns to yours, but it has become quite convoluted and stale, with a lot of the focus now on punishing you instead of dealing with the issue. If you still have concerns about the commas, feel to participate in the ANI I started. - theWOLFchild 00:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)