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class currently studying DC history/urban studies/sociology?
Perhaps there's a class studying the DC/Tacoma Park area (perhaps from Maryland? perhaps in urban studies or sociology?), since today I saw two brand new articles by two brand new editors on very closely related topics: Draft:Sammie Abdullah Abbott from User:Chocolate City student; a second article, Draft:Emergency Committee on the Transportation Crisis from User: Alessandragrossman that uses as primary reference a FORTHCOMING book called Chocolate City ("Chris Myers Asch with G. Derek Musgrove, Chocolate City: Race and Democracy in the Nation’s Capital (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, forthcoming).") If there *is* a class, I'd encourage students to fill out their Talk page, and to link to a central page describing the class. If this *isn't* a class, then it's even more of a mystery...Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 06:02, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for flagging this, Jodi.a.schneider. I'll see what I can find. ---Eryk (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Eryk (Wiki Ed). It's now looking to me like an African-American history course, this seems to fit the general pattern: Draft:New Negro Alliance by User:McGara DeWan & Kaiya Adams. Content overall looks good but they may need some pointers (e.g. no shared accounts, ...)Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- And this one: Draft:Hobson v. Hansen by User:Dalshakh. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- These articles cite the FORTHCOMING book Chocolate City: Race and Democracy in the Nation’s Capital. The two history professors who wrote the book teach at UMBC and University of the District of Columbia. My bet is that one/both of them would know more about this. George Derek Musgrove and Chris Meyer Asch Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Jodi.a.schneider, thanks for the information. They appear to be teaching two courses this term which might relate to this, though both were due to start on the 25th of January. Samantha (Wiki Ed) will reach out to him to see if these are his students. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi All, I've reached out to the instructor to offer our support for the student work if this is a classroom project. I'll keep you updated on what I hear back! Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Fantastic, thank you both!Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 20:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi All, I've reached out to the instructor to offer our support for the student work if this is a classroom project. I'll keep you updated on what I hear back! Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Jodi.a.schneider, thanks for the information. They appear to be teaching two courses this term which might relate to this, though both were due to start on the 25th of January. Samantha (Wiki Ed) will reach out to him to see if these are his students. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- These articles cite the FORTHCOMING book Chocolate City: Race and Democracy in the Nation’s Capital. The two history professors who wrote the book teach at UMBC and University of the District of Columbia. My bet is that one/both of them would know more about this. George Derek Musgrove and Chris Meyer Asch Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- And this one: Draft:Hobson v. Hansen by User:Dalshakh. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Eryk (Wiki Ed). It's now looking to me like an African-American history course, this seems to fit the general pattern: Draft:New Negro Alliance by User:McGara DeWan & Kaiya Adams. Content overall looks good but they may need some pointers (e.g. no shared accounts, ...)Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Class working on sexuality articles
I came across Sexual fluidity where Flyer22 Reborn was working with some students who appear to be part of a class project. No ambassador, or class page in sight.. so am bringing it to your attention.
Nmuggleton seems to be the instructor. Not sure. But there is a very big list of users in Nmuggleton's contribs: Special:Contributions/Nmuggleton that she appears to be trying to manage.
Would be great if you all could figure out what is going on there and help them get oriented. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jytdog. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:09, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you. There is a course page on the outreach dashboard. I don't think there's a content expert assigned to the course at the moment, is one available? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Template:Under construction/Rutgers TFD
I don't know if anyone has an idea about the Rutgers class project here but I've listed Template:Under construction/Rutgers for deletion at TFD. As noted, the template was created months ago and has a corresponding category, Category:Articles in class projects/Rutgers that was emptied and deleted in December 2015 so I presume articles were tagged then as well, untagged, and the category gets used/emptied in that fashion. Both having an giant under construction sign on the page, deterring most people here from editing it, and a category that goes in and out of usefulness seems like a strange mechanism.
Separate from the TFD issue, I would suggest that students be encouraged to use draftspace instead: they can fork over a copy of the current articles (with attribution which isn't a lot), work out and create a draft version for the semester, and we'll merge back the contents at the end of the term. That should be better in terms of problematic additions that are probably fine for a class but not for us while not destroying or losing the material that they do add. I'm sure this has been suggested before but I wanted to get more eyes about the template/category issue at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Ricky81682 thanks for flagging this. We reached out to the professor about a week ago but haven't heard anything. We definitely encourage the instructor and the students to follow our best practices and hope we can get them set up with the proper info. I will keep you posted if they reply. Thanks again, - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:39, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Samantha (Wiki Ed), have you reached out to a student, User:Mdm260? The notice here] literally stating an WP:OWNership of Judeo-Tunisian Arabic is not encouraging. According to the TFD page, there's over 100 students in the class here. It's a good subject but I hope the professor responds. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC) -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Ricky81682, I went ahead and left a note on the students talk page in order to encourage them to have their instructor contact me. Unfortunately, some instructors proceed with Wikipedia assignments without using our tools, staff support, and resources even after hearing about our organization. I will do my best to provide them with everything they need, but unfortunately don't have the capacity to reach out to all 100 students that may be doing this assignment with the hope that they can convince their instructor to email me. I'll email the instructor again today and see what I can find out. Thanks for your help. - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Great! Like I said, I'm not against the project but the template and category are not the right way to go and the professor is probably not aware of potential problems that can come with trying to do a live article here. They would all be better off if they had their own versions in draftspace to work on or something. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Ricky81682, I went ahead and left a note on the students talk page in order to encourage them to have their instructor contact me. Unfortunately, some instructors proceed with Wikipedia assignments without using our tools, staff support, and resources even after hearing about our organization. I will do my best to provide them with everything they need, but unfortunately don't have the capacity to reach out to all 100 students that may be doing this assignment with the hope that they can convince their instructor to email me. I'll email the instructor again today and see what I can find out. Thanks for your help. - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Samantha (Wiki Ed), have you reached out to a student, User:Mdm260? The notice here] literally stating an WP:OWNership of Judeo-Tunisian Arabic is not encouraging. According to the TFD page, there's over 100 students in the class here. It's a good subject but I hope the professor responds. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC) -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Samantha (Wiki Ed) the professor identifies himself at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Languages#Rutgers_University_Class_Project as User:Chuck Haberl. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:51, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yup! I heard back from him and am working now to get his students our trainings and support materials. Thanks Ricky81682, - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
One of ours?
Hello, please see Depression in college students which claims to be an educational assignment. The author claims here that this article is here for a class project and "will be taken down in a few weeks", and that they will fail the class if the article is deleted. While nobody wants to see that happen, the article is in pretty poor shape inclusion-wise. I don't know if this is related to any WMF courses or if they are just using WP as a convenient sandbox. Advice? CrowCaw 19:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- The article needs to be moved to userspace, otherwise it'll be going to AfD: it has so much wrong with it that I can't see how to edit it to make it acceptable in article space. This is an encyclopedia, not a student lab where they can play around making "a wiki" for their coursework. PamD 22:45, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've moved the totally unencyclopedia preamble to the article talk page and left a comment on the editor's talk page, but there seems nothing salvageable in the article as it stands at the moment! PamD 23:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crow: @Mduvekot: I've now moved it to Draft:Depression in college students and left a message on the editor's talk page. PamD 09:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- We left a message with the student and reached out to the instructor. They aren't registered with Wiki Ed, but we'll see what we can do. Thanks for flagging this. ---Eryk (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:46, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Crow: @Mduvekot: I've now moved it to Draft:Depression in college students and left a message on the editor's talk page. PamD 09:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've moved the totally unencyclopedia preamble to the article talk page and left a comment on the editor's talk page, but there seems nothing salvageable in the article as it stands at the moment! PamD 23:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Reputation management
So this article was a student assignment last semester, doesn't appear there was a course page set up, no mention of the professor's user name (though there is a link to a contact page for her) and it's kind of a mess now. I don't like to complain on the talk page because I got the impression the students were doing their best, but...well, I've made a start on cleaning it up, but I wanted to notify other possibly-interested editors, hoping this is the right place to do that. Should I contact the professor? I kind of hate to do so as I wouldn't want to discourage her from doing another class project, but it would be good if she would set up a course page next time. valereee (talk) 15:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Valereee:. It looks like there was a course in Fall 2014 on Social Computing that seems to fit the bill. I certainly wouldn't have expected the students to still be active a year later. I believe the instructor is still active on WP: User:Rostaf. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:31, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Adam (Wiki Ed) thanks...from her talk page it looks like she's been on the receiving end of WP:BITE in the past. Maybe someone could reach out and be constructive? I'm willing to but I'm not sure I'm the best person to do it as I just discovered this program via guesswork so I'm completely unfamiliar with the best practices she should be guided to. valereee (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- It looks like they've been introduced to our program before and the University of Pittsburgh has had a number of quite successful classes we've supported in the past. Helaine (Wiki Ed) may be able to help them get set up with a course page if they're continuing their work. But let's give them a bit to reply. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Adam (Wiki Ed) thanks...from her talk page it looks like she's been on the receiving end of WP:BITE in the past. Maybe someone could reach out and be constructive? I'm willing to but I'm not sure I'm the best person to do it as I just discovered this program via guesswork so I'm completely unfamiliar with the best practices she should be guided to. valereee (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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- (edit conflict) @Valereee: Adam covered most of what I was going to say, so I'll just add that in general this is a good venue for any specific issues regarding classes or classwork on Wikipedia. As Adam mentioned, Wiki Ed supported a previous iteration of the class, but we weren't aware of this one, as far as I can tell. Reaching out to the instructor is generally a good step, regardless. For those classes that are supported by Wiki Ed, you can always reach out to the content expert (Adam or, as was the case for the fall 2014 course, Ian (Wiki Ed)). For general article improvement in a case like this, whether we hear from the instructor or not, I'd probably recommend leaving a message at relevant WikiProjects, too, like Marketing & Advertising or Brands, both of which appear to be semi-active. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Hi all. Yes the article was edited in my class in Fall 2014. I had some issues with my students in that class and I tried to fix some of the problems and asked them to also remove problematic edits. The students most likely are not active anymore and I am trying to make sure students in my class this semester do much more careful editing of an article they are working by spending more time on preparing the material and I am trying to carefully watch their work too. I am happy to help if there is something I can do. Rostaf (talk) 17:17, 17 March 2016 (UTC)