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- 1 Newlines in infoboxes
- 2 VE can't drag and drop within tables; has difficulty cut-pasting refs in tables
- 3 References are not updated inside template
- 4 Can't edit content in templates tables
- 5 Cite book page range en dash
- 6 Not a bug, more of a visual oddity
- 7 UI change: one edit button
- 8 creating a draft article - how to add categories
- 9 Support for wikitext citations
- 10 New date problem
- 11 giup toi xoa phan mem visualeditor/feedback
Newlines in infoboxes
I reported the problem of no newlines in Infoboxes last December. You guys said there was already a fix and would be applied after the holiday freeze. As it is still happening to {{Infobox person}}, when is this ever going to be fixed? Bgwhite (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Bgwhite: As you can imagine, we like to ensure the code fully works before it is put into production. :-) I expect it'll land in the next week or so. As before, you can track progress at phab:T111674. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Jdforrester (WMF). Before you said it would be mid-January and the last comments in the ticket is from mid-January saying added a patch, thus my confusion. Today, there is a good article on BBC. It is about anti-languages. The phab tickets certainly are anti-languages to me.Bgwhite (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Bgwhite: I estimated it would be mid-January, but we found that it was imperfect back then, and the developers worked on other issues in the mean time that were more pressing. If you click through to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/264043/ from the Phabricator ticket you'll see it was worked on yesterday. I'd mildly suggest that your use of "anti-language" rather than "jargon", "terms of art" or other less pejorative language is distinctly contrary to civility and AGF, and that you may find it valuable to consider your choice of words in future. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Jdforrester (WMF): I never meant anything unkind when mentioning anti-languages. Yes, jargon would have been a better word. Jargon and anti-languages are very similar... Jargon has "preventing people from outside the group understanding it" as a side-effect. It is the main point in anti-language. Both are unintelligible to outsiders. My intention is saying what is in the Phab ticket is confusing for non-WMF employees and it looked like a patch went in mid-January. I read the BBC article today, so that is what popped in my head. Bgwhite (talk) 22:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- As I'm not an employee of WMF, I'd like to state that there is nothing confusing about it for non-WMF employees. You just need to understand a bit how software development works, how open source software development works, and how a large website tends to to operate. But, you can find a bit about how this works on life cycle description of a ticket. I've been thinking about how we can better integrate/link such documentation into phabricator, but it's always a bit hard to do this and keep everything effective and transparent at the same time. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it might be helpful to understand more than just a bit. ;-)
- That's a fun article on the BBC. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- As I'm not an employee of WMF, I'd like to state that there is nothing confusing about it for non-WMF employees. You just need to understand a bit how software development works, how open source software development works, and how a large website tends to to operate. But, you can find a bit about how this works on life cycle description of a ticket. I've been thinking about how we can better integrate/link such documentation into phabricator, but it's always a bit hard to do this and keep everything effective and transparent at the same time. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Jdforrester (WMF): I never meant anything unkind when mentioning anti-languages. Yes, jargon would have been a better word. Jargon and anti-languages are very similar... Jargon has "preventing people from outside the group understanding it" as a side-effect. It is the main point in anti-language. Both are unintelligible to outsiders. My intention is saying what is in the Phab ticket is confusing for non-WMF employees and it looked like a patch went in mid-January. I read the BBC article today, so that is what popped in my head. Bgwhite (talk) 22:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Bgwhite: I estimated it would be mid-January, but we found that it was imperfect back then, and the developers worked on other issues in the mean time that were more pressing. If you click through to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/264043/ from the Phabricator ticket you'll see it was worked on yesterday. I'd mildly suggest that your use of "anti-language" rather than "jargon", "terms of art" or other less pejorative language is distinctly contrary to civility and AGF, and that you may find it valuable to consider your choice of words in future. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Bgwhite: This was deployed today (Fetch and use templatedata while serializing transclusions). SSastry (WMF) (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- @SSastry (WMF): Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 00:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- If this was deployed on the 24th it does not look like its fixed - I'm still coming accross some of these such as this edit on the 26th. Or is this just a browser cache issue and it will take a while for the fix to propogate to users? Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hey @KyleTastic:, the template used there was set in its TemplateData to 'inline' mode (which is the default). I changed it for that template, and now edits to pages using it are in block mode (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julia_Flynn_Siler&diff=707088011&oldid=707051458 this test edit; the formatting was slightly tweaked, and the parameters are now in the TemplateData's requested order). It would be worthwhile going to check which templates should be block but aren't set to it yet. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- T128337 is related to this. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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VE can't drag and drop within tables; has difficulty cut-pasting refs in tables
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Description | VE can't drag and drop within tables; has difficulty copy-pasting refs in tables |
Intention: | Part 1: Tried to drag and drop content from one table cell into another. Can't do it. Part 2: I had some very annoying difficulties cut-pasting the refs in table. The refs don't get selected with the rest of the test, and when I right click them, more times than not the table cell is selected instead of the ref. I think what is happening is because you have templates within a table, VE is unsure which one to select, and so tends to default to the table that the refs are listed in. |
Steps to Reproduce: | For the reference cut-past (or copy-paste) issue:
1. Find an article that uses a table for a list. 2. Open VE, select a cell from which to copy the ref. Try to select and right-click the ref. 3. Get very frustrated until you can manage to do it. |
Results: | Trouble selecting references. With drag and drop, content can only be moved outside the table. |
Expectations: | Be able to drag and drop text to any cell within a table. Be able to copy-paste references without headaches. |
Page where the issue occurs | I was working on List of Turkic dynasties and countries |
Web browser | Firefox 44.0.2 |
Operating system | Windows 10 |
Skin | Vector (I think) |
Notes: | Not entirely sure how reproducible the reference issue is. |
Workaround or suggested solution | If you open up the dialog to edit the reference, you can usually close that out, the ref will stay highlighted, and you can right-click it. |
3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Is this about copying contents from a table cell? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I confused "template" with "table." I've updated the bug report to correct this mistake.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Apparently there's a big mess in the two most recent versions of Firefox. They're working on it, but it's not clear yet whether the problem is in VisualEditor or in Firefox. (The WMF and the Firefox folks are in contact.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I confused "template" with "table." I've updated the bug report to correct this mistake.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
References are not updated inside template
I just tried the VE and worked quite well on the French wiki. However one major issue was that references inside the {{Références}} template were not updated. E.g. one could change the reference, however for the user the old version of the reference would persist which is confusing for new users. I hope that this is something you guys are working on. Example page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurtemberg Best --22:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to see the list of citations update as you edit, then you must use the native wikitext <references /> instead of the {{Références}} template. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Can't edit content in templates tables
I can no longer edit content within templates. If I highlight a template cell, and then click the content, all that happens is that a dialog to edit the template itself appears.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Can you give me an example? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Go to 2010 in hip hop music, find the template with the list of released albums. Open VE. Select a template cell. Double-click it. Right now VE will jump to the bottom of the template instead of letting me edit the text.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Did you mean "table" instead of "template"? 2010 in hip hop music#Released albums is a wikitext table. There is a known problem with double-clicking to edit table cells in Firefox 43 and 44. If you single-click and then press Return, you should be able to edit the cells. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I meant tables, sorry. Thank you for the workaround!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Did you mean "table" instead of "template"? 2010 in hip hop music#Released albums is a wikitext table. There is a known problem with double-clicking to edit table cells in Firefox 43 and 44. If you single-click and then press Return, you should be able to edit the cells. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Go to 2010 in hip hop music, find the template with the list of released albums. Open VE. Select a template cell. Double-click it. Right now VE will jump to the bottom of the template instead of letting me edit the text.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Cite book page range en dash
When I try to edit a book citation to fill in the page no range (say 17–18), I need to add an endash in it which isn't available at the edit citation option. I'm forced to exit the citation, copy the en dash from somewhere, open the citation again and paste it. Maybe there should be an inbuilt option there to insert the endash. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 00:00, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- This is a known problem. It may be months before it is fixed. In the meantime, you might find it efficient to learn the keyboard shortcuts for the ones that you use most often. On a Mac, en dash is ⌥ Option+- (the hyphen). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Not a bug, more of a visual oddity
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Description | Not a bug, more of a visual oddity |
Intention: | What were you trying to do (and why)? |
Steps to Reproduce: | |
Results: | I've notice this a couple of times where I've opened pages with tables in VE when the tables have a flag section, i.e. Eder_Sánchez. When looking at the table the "puzzle piece" icons in it seem to shift the flags down. It's not a problem but it does look confusing if you're not expecting it. |
Expectations: | Flags to be in the boxes they're supposed to be in, even when editing. |
Page where the issue occurs | Add URL(s) or diffs |
Web browser | Chrome 48.0.2564.116 |
Operating system | Windows 10 |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | Any additional information. Can you provide a screenshot, if relevant? |
Workaround or suggested solution | Add one here if you have it. |
Red Fiona (talk) 04:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- That's strange. It shouldn't be showing the puzzle piece at all. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
UI change: one edit button
Hi everyone,
Would several of you take a look at mw:VisualEditor/Single edit tab and tell me if it makes any sense? Also, just because I'm interested, which of the four options would you choose?
"SET" is being tested at the Hungarian Wikipedia right now, and it's overall going fairly well. The config here would be a bit different (IPs who haven't edted recently would start in wikitext), and there were a few hiccups in the deployment, but it seems to be mostly okay. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
creating a draft article - how to add categories
Draft articles aren't allowed to be in mainspace categories, so you have to do
[[:Category:Whatever]]
Is there any way to do this in the VE? I note that new users who are enabled for the VE are likely to create new draft articles. Kerry (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- You can make a link to a category, just like a link to any other page. (Type it as ":Category:Whatever", with the colon.) But there's no direct way to convert the link to a functional cat later; you'd have to delete the links and insert proper categories. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Support for wikitext citations
My next VE training sessions are going to be at one of the major Trove contributors. Given Australia has a national initiative to make all Australian library content citable in Wikipedia with over 472 million individually citable items, we need to be able to add these via the VE. How hard is it to have Cite > Wikitext to complement Cite > Manual which will omit the nowiki tags, which cannot be removed using the VE once they are in place (or some other solution like a "this is wikitext" checkbox in Cite > Manual). WMF has a strategic plan that talks about the importance of partnerships with the GLAM sector but partnerships need effort on both sides and I'm not seeing any effort from WMF on this issue. Kerry (talk) 23:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
New date problem
Hi, there appears to be a new problem with adding accessdates in citation templates with visual editor that has appeared in the last day or so. It is leaving the text with |access-date={{subst:Date}}
rather than perform the substitution of today's date. As an example this edit shows the situation. Keith D (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't use ve, but I noticed the edit this morning. Have anything to do with this issue? Also, there is a similar edit.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Keith D: Hey, yes, Trappist the monk got it right – I've reverted those edits by The RedBurn as you can't use
subst:
inside a reference, and citation templates are only really useful there. :-) Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC) I've also fixed up the 12345678910 uses that I could find and fix before you did (and also this oddity from April last year). Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)- Thanks for the quick response to this. Keith D (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry for the mess. :-/ Why is it that subst works on :fr ? Here's an example. As you can see, that template uses subst to add the date. The RedBurn (ϕ) 22:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Jdforrester (WMF) Can't VE do the subst: itself ? I have similar features in WPCleaner (inserting things with subst: that can end up in ref tags), and I'm simply querying the API to expand such text before inserting it. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 22:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @NicoV: VisualEditor doesn't do anything with wikitext (this is the parser). In particular, we're not going add hacks that change how templates work in MediaWiki but only for VisualEditor users. That'd not be remotely good for our users. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Jdforrester (WMF) I think you misunderstood me : there's no hack, no parser, ... When a user adds a template with VE, I think it's using the TemplateData to initialize it by default (what parameters should be there by default, what value, ...) : instead of using the raw "autovalue", simply ask the API (or whatever services VE is calling) to expand the subst. There's no change at all on how templates work in MW... --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 22:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @The RedBurn: It doesn't work on frwiki either. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 16:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Jdforrester (WMF) I think you misunderstood me : there's no hack, no parser, ... When a user adds a template with VE, I think it's using the TemplateData to initialize it by default (what parameters should be there by default, what value, ...) : instead of using the raw "autovalue", simply ask the API (or whatever services VE is calling) to expand the subst. There's no change at all on how templates work in MW... --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 22:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @NicoV: VisualEditor doesn't do anything with wikitext (this is the parser). In particular, we're not going add hacks that change how templates work in MediaWiki but only for VisualEditor users. That'd not be remotely good for our users. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Jdforrester (WMF) Can't VE do the subst: itself ? I have similar features in WPCleaner (inserting things with subst: that can end up in ref tags), and I'm simply querying the API to expand such text before inserting it. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 22:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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