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- 1 Minor stuff
- 2 Happy Jewish stuff again
- 3 Chronological Error
- 4 Huuuuge Introduction
- 5 File:Robert-downey-jr552.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 6 File:Sherlock-robert-downey-jr-holmes-16.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 7 removed reference
- 8 Question about comma in lemma
- 9 Television Section
- 10 Requested move
- 11 Edit request on 4 June 2012
- 12 Avengers 2?
- 13 Edit request on 20 November 2012
- 14 Edit request on 8 March 2013
- 15 Edit request on 15 April 2013
- 16 RDJ confirmed for The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3, should be added to the "Iron Man" section.
- 17 Thoughts on rewording
- 18 Edit Request RE: Downey/Gibson
- 19 Uncited material
- 20 Add a second parent.
- 21 Edit semi-protected
- 22 Edit semi-protected
- 23 Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014
- 24 Downey Confirmed for 'Captain America: Civil War' and 'Avengers: Infinity War, Part 1'
- 25 Filmography
- 26 Please clarify
- 27 Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2015
Minor stuff
Culver City isn't generally considered "outside of Los Angeles." It's part of L.A. county, just like Santa Monica, Glendale, WeHo, etc. Further, a lot of times the article uses the word "parole," but nobody ever gets "parolled" a month into a sentence. The process just takes longer than that. I'm pretty sure it meant "probation," which is *completely different from parole*. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.52.73 (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I have the same note about Culver City. (The line is "In April 2001, while he was on parole, a Los Angeles police officer found him wandering barefoot in Culver City, just outside Los Angeles" under the Career Troubles heading.) The sentence as written implies that Downey had wandered out of town; however, as indicated in Culver City's own Wikipedia article, Culver City is smack dab in the middle of western Los Angeles and home to a major movie studio. It's not only in L.A. County, it's mostly surrounded by the City of Los Angeles itself, one of several independent municipalities contained within L.A.75.85.5.87 (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Frank
Happy Jewish stuff again
Robert Downey Jr. is not, as far an any sources claim, an adherent Jew. If you want to add a category based on his words, create Category:Jewish-Buddhist actors. Furthermore, you can't "identify" with an ethnicity - only a religion. You either are of that ethnicity or aren't. If you're going to add "Jewish actors" on the basis of his ethnic heritage, you need to also add Category:German actors, Category:Irish actors, etc... Otherwise, leave it out. Pretty simple. 72.144.147.8 (talk) 15:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)7777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
- Judaism is a religion. Anyone who is a follower (be it by birth or as a convert) would be considered a jew. Downey was married in a Jewish ceremony, so it's pretty safe to say that he is Jewish. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 16:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- Did you not read a word of what was written above? 72.144.125.242 (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- I did, but you don't make a whole lot sense since you bring up ethnicity, and whatnot. What does belonging to a religion have anything to do with your heritage? Downey is a follower of Judaism, hence considered to be Jewish. Simple as that. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 02:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- Did you not read a word of what was written above? 72.144.125.242 (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Judaism is a religion. Hebrew is an ethnicity. They are different. Just like you don't have to be Arabic to be Muslim or Indian to be Buddhist. Sailorknightwing (talk) 04:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC) Somebody please add him to the category American Jews and Jewish Actors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.245.21.177 (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Downey has self-identified as Jewish on a number of occasions (most recently in interviews done after Mel Gibson's arrest and tirade about Jews--Gibson is one of Downey's closest friends), has a tattoo of his original family name--Elias--on his ankle, and was married in a Jewish ceremony in 2005 to a Jewish movie producer. If he chooses to self-identify as Jewish, that should end any discussion on the matter. Scarletsmith (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for most people, Judaism does not function the way they are used to religions functioning. Unlike almost every other religion on the planet, you can actually be born into Judaism, the obvious other example being Islam: you can be born a Muslim, as well, the difference being that Islam goes by the father, & Judaism the mother. What is frustrating for all concerned is that Judaism also functions as an ethnic group (because it is also a culture (as in "rules for everything"); Hebrew is NOT an ethnicity - it's a language.), which confuses non-Jews into getting the idea that you can be "part Jewish", which is absolutely not true. For more details, see http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm I, personally, abhor the whole "Jewish descent" thing that creeps into so many Wiki bios, if only because it leads to the irritating "half Jewish" crap, but will forbear to edit it out in deference to the Wikipedia mission of "consensus". But (to get back to the specific topic) if Downey self-identifies as Jewish, it's at least impolite to argue with him. His "being married in a Jewish ceremony" in no way guarantees his Jewishness: people consent to all sorts of things to please their partners. More evidence will have to be presented to make any sort of believable claim to his following Judaism.FlaviaR (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Chronological Error
The sentence reads, "After Zero, Downey started landing roles in bigger films such as Air America (1990), Soapdish (1991) and Natural Born Killers (1994). These higher-profile roles eventually led to his being cast as Charlie Chaplin in the 1992 film Chaplin..."
Chaplin was filmed in 1992 according to the statement so Natural Born Killers (1994) could not have influenced any decisions regarding the previous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckydagger (talk • contribs) 04:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Huuuuge Introduction
Isnt the introduction text way too big? I dont expect anyone to DELETE what's written there (in my opinion, everything is important and relevant), but just trying to resume or choose only what matters would be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.183.148 (talk) 01:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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- In my humble opinion, the article and the references are long also, so what is the problem? . . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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removed reference
The following paragraph has more than once had its footnote removed:
- The book Conversations with Woody Allen reports that director Woody Allen wanted to cast Downey and Winona Ryder in his film Melinda and Melinda in 2005, but was unable to do so because he could not get insurance on them, stating, "We couldn't get bonded. The completion bonding companies would not bond the picture unless we could insure them. We were heartbroken because I had worked with Winona before [on Celebrity] and thought she was perfect for this and wanted to work with her again. And I had always wanted to work with Bob Downey and always thought he was a huge talent."[1][not in citation given]
- ^ "When Woody Allen couldn't cast Winona, Downey due to lack of insurance". Malaysian Sun. August 12, 2007.
It's unclear whether the failed verification refers to the dead link or to the Malaysian Sun (now the Sun Daily) whose online archives that dont reach far enough back to check without tracking down a hard copy. If the paragraph is to be removed as unsourced it will also have to fail Conversations with Woody Allen, apparently the primary source. Sparafucil (talk) 11:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Question about comma in lemma
Hi guys, I hopped over here from the German Wikipedia to ask a quick question, which hopefully someone here can answer. One of our editors noticed that the lemma of this article has a comma in between Downey and Jr., but Imdb list Mr. Downey without that comma. Now we are wondering if we ought to change the lemma on the German wikipedia to include a comma, too (we've been using the version without it so far). Any thoughts on this? What's the wrong/right version? --Feuerrabe (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Television Section
what happened to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.214.250.194 (talk) 13:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was Keep under current title. — foxj 02:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Robert Downey, Jr. → Robert Downey Jr. – I think this article should be moved to the version without the comma. My reasoning is that the version without the comma is used the most, including in the sources. That's also how it appears in credits, posters, boxes. I think that the comma-less version would be most in line with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:BLP. OohBunnies! Leave a message 09:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Comment I don't have an opinion, but whatever it is it should be consistent. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/CMS_FAQ/Jr.Sr.III/Jr.Sr.III02.html MOS:BIO says Sammy Davis Jr. (even though the page is at Sammy Davis, Jr. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, as per above - opposing merely due to WP:STABLE. Nikthestoned 16:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't like it, but that comma is standard usage. See, for example, Cal Ripken, Jr. (another Iron Man!). Since it's mostly inconsequential, that comma may be omitted; and as the MOS realizes, it can chop up sentence flow. But it's not a WP:COMMONNAME issue. --BDD (talk) 20:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Support. For what it's worth, it appears that way (commaless) in the credits of the Avengers movie. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 05:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Possibly not worth much, I don't know, but that's part of my thinking. It appears that way in credits, it appears that way in most sources, which means the actor himself must have chosen for it to appear that way. What's more important, writing it our way, as it is currently, or actually reflecting the sources and the rest of the world? :) OohBunnies! Leave a message 11:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- It is far more important for us to maintain a consistent style. That's why we have the MOS. Powers T 16:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- The MOS isn't policy, it's a guide. It says right at the start that exceptions can be made. OohBunnies! Leave a message 16:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- I didn't say it was policy. I don't even know if this specific rule is in there. The point is that we have a MOS so that we can maintain a consistent editorial and orthographical style throughout the encyclopedia. No manual can anticipate every possible scenario, so occasional exceptions may sometimes be necessary. But doing so here would be a change with no particular benefit, but with the significant drawback of introducing inconsistency with the style used elsewhere in the encyclopedia. Powers T 19:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, MOS:BIO says you should not use the comma, unless that's the known preference of the person in question. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- The MOS isn't policy, it's a guide. It says right at the start that exceptions can be made. OohBunnies! Leave a message 16:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- It is far more important for us to maintain a consistent style. That's why we have the MOS. Powers T 16:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose; maintain standard orthography. Powers T 16:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Can you cite a reference stating that using the comma is standard? Our own MOS:BIO says otherwise. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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- The MOS refers to in-line prose usage, where that comma can cause confusion. Out of such context, it's almost always used. Look at our article titles of any junior or senior. Consistency would dictate that we follow suit for all of them, and I'm not sure what benefit we'd gain in doing so. --BDD (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I'm all for consistency but I think the names of BLP articles should be treated case by case. I mean, currently, our title is different to the other wikis. Check the Spanish, Italian, French etc. It's different to IMDB. It's different to how it appears in film credits and magazines. It's a minor issue, really, and not one that I'm going to argue to death over or anything, but I believe that it would be better for our readers if we changed it in this instance. Indeed, that's why I started this request - a reader bringing it up as erroneous. It could also be confusing for them to see the title different to how the name appears in the body of the article. Consistency is all well and good, but I'm really struggling to find a reason that consistency should be valued over these other things. OohBunnies! Leave a message 20:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Oppose, apparently, per consistency. Consistency is readability, and WP:MOS generally. I can't believe that there's not a guideline already on this. The apparent ambiguity of MOS:BIO re titles is unfortunate (and rectifiable?). Alternatively, WP:PRECISION suggests use of a comma when disambiguation is necessary. If we're hashing this out, maybe we should put it in guidelines. ENeville (talk) 20:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Edit request on 4 June 2012
the final comment is utterly irrelevant (in the context of his political views aside which it appears) and peurile and a rubbish way to end the entry
88.209.64.63 (talk) 12:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Done I removed it. The source only mentioned him once by name, and his presence there shouldn't be construed to mean anything - for us to imply that it does is basically speculation. OohBunnies! Leave a message 15:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Avengers 2?
The intro lists him as staring in Avengers 2. Last I heard, his contract had not been renewed with Marvel. While it's likely he'll return for at least Avengers 2 we cannot state it as fact until we have sources. I move to have it deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.92.78.133 (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Already done by User:Lady Lotus [1]. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 20 November 2012
They are working on a Sherlock Holmes 3 script that Robert Downey Jr will be in Lucyyroxx (talk) 18:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Vacationnine 18:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 8 March 2013
Hello! The quote concerning the Oprah Winfrey interview is not correct. Please, consider it as subject to change: -the following quote is not correct - meaning the beginning and the end of the quote: "I finally said, 'You know what? I don't think I can continue doing this.' And I reached out for help, and I ran with it. You can reach out for help in kind of a half-assed way and you'll get it and you won't take advantage of it. It's not that difficult to overcome these seemingly ghastly problems...what's hard is to decide to actually do it."[37] -it should rather be something like this: "… and I said, 'You know what? I don't think I can continue doing this.' And I reached out for help, and I ran with it. You can reach out for help in kind of a half-assed way and you'll get it and you won't take advantage of it. It's not that difficult to overcome these seemingly ghastly problems...what's hard is to decide..." -the link for the following reference concerning the quote needs to be replaced since it doesn't work any longer (at least not for me) - with e.g. [skipping to 3:30 min] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_K_3h1KBS8: 37. ^ a b The Oprah Winfrey Show, second segment, November 22, 2004. Retrieved December 11, 2008. Thanks for reading! Easyforchiesy (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Done - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 15 April 2013
Please add relese dates for Iron Man 3 117.196.23.229 (talk) 10:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Not done: You didn't provide one. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 05:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
RDJ confirmed for The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3, should be added to the "Iron Man" section.
Robert Downey, Jr. is confirmed to appear in both of The Avengers sequels, signing a 2-picture deal with Marvel Studios. This SHOULD be included in the Iron Man section of his article, as it is important.
Source: http://marvel.com/news/story/20786/robert_downey_jr_to_return_as_marvels_iron_man — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.48.137 (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thoughts on rewording
The sentence that states "His father, a drug addict, allowed Downey to use marijuana at age six...", is it written in a way to suggest that back then he was a drug addict or should it be stated that he was a drug addict during that time but not anymore? Such as "His father, a then-drug addict, allowed Downey to use marijuana at age six" or "His father, a drug addict at the time, allowed Downey to use marijuana at age six". Just to clarify that his father was a drug addict but not anymore. Thoughts? Lady Lotus • talk 00:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Edit Request RE: Downey/Gibson
"Said Gibson of Downey:[94] "He was one of the first people to call and offer the hand of friendship. He just said, 'Hey, welcome to the club. Let's go see what we can do to work on ourselves.'"[citation needed]" -- Why 'citation needed'? That is in ref[94], which should be moved to the end of that quote. 76.20.210.160 (talk) 21:53, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Done! LADY LOTUS • TALK 21:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks 2601:0:8A80:235:0:0:0:1033 (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Uncited material
For an article that has GA status, I was surprised to see so much uncited material. This should be addressed right away. I've placed tags where appropriate. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 01:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Add a second parent.
Add a second parent in the box. At the moment it only has Robert Downey, Sr. as his parent so unless he just mitosed Robert Downey, Jr. one day add his mum into the box. Billgates2 (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Per Template:Infobox person, it states "Names of parents, if notable". His mom isn't notable, his dad is. LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Edit semi-protected
The § Early life and family section says: "[...], allowed Downey to use marijuana at aged six, [...]" --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.. And the reference says he was 6. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- It says "at aged six". I'm not a native speaker of English though, so maybe that's correct after all. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 12:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Done changed to "age six" which I am assuming was the change requested Cannolis (talk) 12:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Edit semi-protected
Here's a ref to replace the [citation needed] in the seventh paragraph of the § Career troubles (1996–2001) section.[1] (No page number; the ref is an e-book.) As a side note, the book's sentence order differs from what's currently cited in the article:
And I got a chance to discover Radha Mitchell. We were originally going to work with Winona Ryder and Bob Downey and I couldn’t get insurance on them. The insurance companies are very prissy and sticky and gave us a hard time. We were heartbroken because I had worked with Winona before [Celebrity] and thought she was perfect for this and wanted to work with her again. And I had always wanted to work with Bob Downey and always thought he was a huge talent. Then the actors got upset with us, like we’re the ones who made the decision. But I felt we’re the ones that got screwed every bit as much as them. We couldn’t get bonded. The completion bonding companies [who provide insurance for the investors that the film will be completed within the budget and in a timely fashion] would not bond the picture unless we could insure them.
References
- ^ Lax, Eric (18 August 2009) [First published 2007]. "Chapter 1: The Idea". Conversations With Woody Allen: His Films, the Movies, and Moviemaking. Updated and expanded. (E-book) (1st ed.). New York: Alfred A. Knopf. ASIN 1400031494. ISBN 9781400031498. LCCN 2009012210. OCLC 232980446. OL 23192563M.
--82.136.210.153 (talk) 01:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Done Thanks for finding that. Not sure if the bit about the insurance companies being prissy is necessary but if anyone else wants to add it in to preserve the preciseness of the quote, that's fine by me Cannolis (talk) 08:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014
i want to change the picture of robert downey jr 202.134.180.86 (talk) 16:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. - Arjayay (talk) 16:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Downey Confirmed for 'Captain America: Civil War' and 'Avengers: Infinity War, Part 1'
Here's the source and as stated above, RDJ signed on for 'The Avengers 3', which, would in turn be Avengers, Infinity War, Part 1 2601:C:780:234:BDE9:6D37:3CEC:B05B (talk) 23:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Filmography
Why isn't Wonder Boys listed as a film credit?
Please clarify
From the article:
- "... and Downey returned to mainstream films in the mid-2000s with Gothika, for which producer Joel Silver withheld 40 percent of his salary until after production wrapped as insurance against his addictive behavior. Similar clauses have become standard in his contracts since then."
Whose contracts are "his contracts"? Downey's or Silver's contracts? Is Downey still considered a risk (or does he consider himself still as a risk to allow such a clause in his contracts) or does Silver want to be sure with all his actors and actresses? (The source here is useless here and points only in general to a talk show in which Downey appeared.) Thanks — Tauriel-1 (☎) 10:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2015
The filmography is missing the 1988 film "True Believer" with James Woods. 119.25.18.187 (talk) 08:08, 5 July 2015 (UTC)