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NBN Television coverage
@AussieLegend: Hi. When I originally added the station infobox for NBN Television, I listed "Northern New South Wales & Gold Coast, Queensland" as the broadcast areas. The name "Northern New South Wales" is the correct broadcasting terminology for the area covering Hunter Region, Mid North Coast and Northern Rivers, the areas you listed. This can be seen on this official Southern Cross document that labels the area (in orange) as "NNSW", on this government document from the Australian Communications and Media Authority which labels NBN's coverage as "Northern New South Wales", and on the NBN website which lists its coverage as "Northern New South Wales". Using the terminology for the Northern New South Wales area as a whole is both the officially recognised terminology and is the terminology currently in use on all other regional television broadcaster articles. As such, can the infobox please be changed back to "Northern New South Wales & Gold Coast, Queensland" (the correct name will also leave the infobox less cluttered) – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 07:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Northern NSW" is a broad, generic term that doesn't actually correspond to any of the recognised regions. That's why we don't have an article for it on Wikipedia. It doesn't help to link to New South Wales, as was the case in the article, as much of the state is not covered by NBN. The regions defined by Southern Cross Austerio don't have any authority whatever. The ACMA document is confusing. The big blob to the west has a "Northern NSW" tag but does that also refer to the bit on the coast that is attached much further south? The green area covers Sydney, which is very definitely not part of Northern NSW. The NBN link doesn't actually define any areas. It simply says "On the 1st of March NBN introduced 2 new services to Northern New South Wales". That's not the same as saying that's it's coverage area, especially since much of its coverage area is not Northern New South Wales. The Hunter Region (NBN's home area) is not part of Northern NSW, nor are parts of the Mid North Coast. The 3 links you've provided don't support each other and are contradictory. We're best off sticking with the regions as they are commonly known and for which we have sourced articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:52, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- @AussieLegend: You are correct in saying that "Northern NSW" is a "broad, generic term" that doesn't have an article on Wikipedia, but that's because its a term used officially in broadcasting to denote the area covered by stations such as NBN, NEN (Prime) and NRN (SC10). The term is "broad" as it is used to cover a broad area, and its much easier than listing each of the governmental regions that you have listed. The ACMA document is not colour-coded to separate each broadcast region but instead shows each broadcaster's assets as a whole, hence the Sydney metro area and Northern NSW regional area appear merged into one, this does not necessarily make it confusing. I included the SCA map to make it easier to visualise the approximate coverage of the Northern NSW area. Naturally, as Nine and SCA are two separate organisations with different transmitters and permissible coverage allowances, their versions of the Northern NSW area may differ very slightly.
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- In addition, the coverage area of Northern NSW in reality corresponds more to North-Eastern NSW as most of North-Western NSW falls under remote coverage; you are confusing the coverage area (officially named "Northern NSW") with the geographical Northern NSW, which explains why the Hunter Region and Mid North Coast are covered by the Northern NSW coverage area. Most of the geographical Northern NSW is included in remote coverage. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Update: Also, another official source that denotes the name of the coverage area as "Northern NSW" is Managing Director of QTQ and NBN Kylie Blucher: "Deborah has spearheaded NBN's commitment and support of the Northern New South Wales region".[1][2] The terminology is also used by numerous media sources. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- If you're using the ACMA map to justify use of "Nothern NSW" then it is very confusing because it is all merged into one. It doesn't show NBN's coverage specifically, so it's not a good source at all. If you tried using it in an article it would have to be rejected as WP:SYNTH. We're supposed to convey accurate information to our readers and Northern NSW is just as ambiguous as saying "part of Australia". If we're going to tell our readers where the coverage is, we need to be as specific as possible. Telling them that the Hunter Region is in Northern New South Wales without explaining that "Northern New South Wales" is just a convenience term and the Hunter Region is not actually in Northern New South Wales is conveying blatantly misleading information to readers, and we can't do that. That's why listing the actual regions covered is far better than using a vague description. That is may be less convenient to list the actual regions is of little consequence. The two sources you claim to be "official" are not actually official at all. Kylie Blucher is in no way a recognised authority on regions of NSW and QLD. Anybody can say anything, it doesn't mean they're right. By the way, you don't need to ping someone on their talk page. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Update: Also, another official source that denotes the name of the coverage area as "Northern NSW" is Managing Director of QTQ and NBN Kylie Blucher: "Deborah has spearheaded NBN's commitment and support of the Northern New South Wales region".[1][2] The terminology is also used by numerous media sources. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- In addition, the coverage area of Northern NSW in reality corresponds more to North-Eastern NSW as most of North-Western NSW falls under remote coverage; you are confusing the coverage area (officially named "Northern NSW") with the geographical Northern NSW, which explains why the Hunter Region and Mid North Coast are covered by the Northern NSW coverage area. Most of the geographical Northern NSW is included in remote coverage. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
South Sea Islands Museum
- Got it. But, could reverse the order, museum then house in the listing? Reason is, every town has an old house or two, but that canoe and museum are remarkable, and the sole cultural attractions in the region that are likely to be of interest to people form outside the region. Just a suggestion, you're the local expert.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes, reversal might work. Just an FYI, Cooranbong is pretty much the Seventh-day Adventist capital of Australia, and much of the town is oriented towards the Seventh-day Adventist church, which explains why a Solomon Islands war canoe is in a small, out of the way rural town in News South Wales. Well, actually it doesn't, but a museum documenting the works of the church is understandable. They also have a Sanitarium Healthfoods factory and Avondale College, both of which are owned by the Seventh-day Adventist church. As such the town is one of the more well-known obscure places in the Hunter Region, but the museum itself is not so well known, although I'm sure all Seventh-day Adventist's know of it. It's a shame really, because it's quite a nice little town. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oh I get that, this sort of town is a familiar type in America (denomination varies.) If I ran Lake Macquarie or Newcastle, New South Wales, I'd take that little museum and hype the hell out of it, the missionary angle does put people off, but some of the artifacts in that museum are stunning. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- In Australia religious towns are highly unusual, which adds to the appeal. There's a store there called The Elephant Shop that sells geodes, thundereggs and various other things. They used to advertise on TV all the time, but don't any more. They also used to have a flying school, but that moved. The town is just off the Pacific Motorway giving easy access so I don't know why it's not promoted more. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oh I get that, this sort of town is a familiar type in America (denomination varies.) If I ran Lake Macquarie or Newcastle, New South Wales, I'd take that little museum and hype the hell out of it, the missionary angle does put people off, but some of the artifacts in that museum are stunning. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, reversal might work. Just an FYI, Cooranbong is pretty much the Seventh-day Adventist capital of Australia, and much of the town is oriented towards the Seventh-day Adventist church, which explains why a Solomon Islands war canoe is in a small, out of the way rural town in News South Wales. Well, actually it doesn't, but a museum documenting the works of the church is understandable. They also have a Sanitarium Healthfoods factory and Avondale College, both of which are owned by the Seventh-day Adventist church. As such the town is one of the more well-known obscure places in the Hunter Region, but the museum itself is not so well known, although I'm sure all Seventh-day Adventist's know of it. It's a shame really, because it's quite a nice little town. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)