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Contents
- 1 CSS overflow accessibility
- 2 Unresolved issue is archived - How to "UN-Archive"?
- 3 VisualEditor messing up infobox wikitext layout
- 4 Very early edit history missing
- 5 square brackets in category names please?
- 6 Uncheck from watchlist
- 7 Edit toolbar rarely loads
- 8 Images not showing, attempting to click on their root page will result in 404 error
- 9 “TypeError: mw.util is undefined”
- 10 Copy/ paste on a certain article makes Chrome browser crash repeatedly
- 11 Section === formatting
- 12 Purging WP:FPC
- 13 "Category:Candidates for speedy deletion#Pages in category" still includes Laurent Weil
- 14 Can't always access "Cite" in the wikitext edit window
- 15 Three redirects unlisted in WhatLinksHere
- 16 Pressing save doesn't save but previews
- 17 Search error in Template:Search deletion discussions
- 18 IW does not work from search box
- 19 Why did the creation of a user's talk page show up on my watchlist?
- 20 External links by page type
- 21 Template transclusion glitch
- 22 Discussion about WP:CITEVAR and use of it to restrict how things may be coded
- 23 Incorrect protection level category on File:AnonEditWarning.svg
- 24 Tech News: 2016-10
- 25 Error when attempting to delete files
- 26 Preferred protocol for external links templates
- 27 db-c1
- 28 Why a url is blacklisted?
- 29 Implementation of editormeter, that depends on time.
- 30 Cross-wiki notifications alive on Beta on your wiki March 11th, 00:00UTC
- 31 Server migration will prevent editing
CSS overflow accessibility
For some reasons overflow-x:scroll
has become popular. Over 500+ pages popular. We should standardize with a template or better: kill it.
Why Kill? Well its hard using scroll bars you can't see. That is a usability and accessibility issue (large-pixel, low vision users). Don't believe me? Try it on Marvel Cinematic Universe cast, resize the window to 1280x720 (that's Bruce Banner to Natasha Romanoff) try seeing which films Banner appears in only using the left mouse button. Because believe it or not there are two-button non-multi-touchpads used out there. We should not exclude them because we have RGB illuminated 10-button mice with touch sensitive tilt-scroll wheels while we edit on a glorious 4K ultrawide monitor. — Dispenser 06:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hiding overflow may be useful in rare cases like {{CSS image crop}}
but in general there is no reason to use it. Let's delete them. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC) with his cheap 3 button mouse - @Dispenser: Hm, I get why people are using it now. For example the RNA article in the section Comparison with DNA. If you remove that div then bulletpoints aren't indented correctly (tested using Chrome). Screenshot. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- That's overflow:hidden; I've made the original post clearer that this is concerning scroll bars. I've been eliminating those over protests of some users. — Dispenser 15:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- The
overflow-x:
property is described in CSS basic box model, section 11.1. This doc is a W3C Working Draft, as such is a work in progress - and not (yet) a formal part of CSS, so browser vendors are under no obligation to provide support for it. It's dated 9 August 2007 and I don't know if there is any further progress expected. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)- The
-x
is for illustration, most are usingoverflow:auto;
with fixed width elements inside. — Dispenser 21:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC) - {{Panorama}}, {{Tall image}}, {{wide image}}, and {{Wide template}} are scroll box templates. Should notes about keeping the scroll height+width within a reasonable viewport. Also viewport units. — Dispenser 21:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- The
- The
- That's overflow:hidden; I've made the original post clearer that this is concerning scroll bars. I've been eliminating those over protests of some users. — Dispenser 15:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I'm getting a bit confused, what's the problem we are trying to solve here ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Does
overflow:scroll
have accessibility problems? Should we eliminate it and/or standardize it? How to deal with users who say they don't have said problems. What previous discussions have we had? And What happened to your overflowbugx class, TheDJ? — Dispenser 14:29, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Does
- So apparently EasyTimeline (misleading name) adds overflow too. You can see the problem with a 720p screen on {{Timeline of iOS devices}}. — Dispenser 22:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Unresolved issue is archived - How to "UN-Archive"?
Greetings, A problem awaiting resolution is now archived here and tracked at phabricator:T126553.
If it's not possible to pull back from archive, does it need to be re-posted again?
Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- @JoeHebda: Just post the new question, with a link back to the archived thread. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- If I re-post again here, will it be archived again before the issue is solved? Just wondering... JoeHebda (talk) 02:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Possibly; archiving bots do not take any notice of whether a thread has been replied to or not. Threads on this page are archived if they've not been posted to for five days. So if nobody responds here before the next bot run that occurs after 10:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC), it will be archived. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:30, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Redrose64 – Thanks for the update. Yesterday I did repost the new VPT archive link to Wikipedia talk:User scripts#Fix needed: Gadget only works with Vector skin, script error which was orginally posted on Feb. 15th. Wondering if there might be a better place to post where the issue can be fixed? Without waiting for months for a resolution? If I knew anything about scripts (which I do not) I would attempt to fix myself. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:39, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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1) ω Awaiting a solution – also see: MediaWiki:Gadget-mobile-sidebar and Wikipedia:Gadget. JoeHebda (talk) 13:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
@JoeHebda: You can use {{DNAU}} to prevent archiving. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
2) ω Awaiting a solution — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
3) ω Awaiting a solution — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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- FWIW, i copied User:Brion VIBBER's script locally, and verified it works with "monobook" and "modern" after minor changes. i had to modify about 5 lines to use
mw.util.$content
instead of$('#content')
, and add a line to incease z-index specifically for monobook: for some reason the left edge of the mobile image was overshadowed by the right edge of the content in monobook (i'm sure there's more . you can try User:קיפודנחש/mobile-sidebarcopy.js to verify it indeed works with other skins (you'll probably want to disable the gadget, or you may get 2 of them...). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- FWIW, i copied User:Brion VIBBER's script locally, and verified it works with "monobook" and "modern" after minor changes. i had to modify about 5 lines to use
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- קיפודנחש – Thanks for helping. I know about testing computer programs in other languages but nothing about js scripts. If you or anther editor could explain the steps to test, I would be willing to try testing. So far, I did un-check existing Gadgets option to disable Mobile sidebar preview option. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 21:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- to test the modified script, add to your personal script file the following line (if you copy from edit screen, *do not* include the "code" tags):
importScript('User:קיפודנחש/mobile-sidebarcopy.js');
- (if the file does not exist yet, create it, add the line, and save. more detailed instructions and explanations about personal scripts can be found in WP:JS). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- קיפודנחש – Thanks for helping. I know about testing computer programs in other languages but nothing about js scripts. If you or anther editor could explain the steps to test, I would be willing to try testing. So far, I did un-check existing Gadgets option to disable Mobile sidebar preview option. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 21:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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קיפודנחש – Followed the test instructions & same results = Mobile sidebar preview works only with Vector skin & not the other skins. I did the Purge and logout for each; not seeing the little toolbar icon to activate preview. I know it is running the test version because I have the Gadgets one unchecked with Vector & icon shows & works correctly. — JoeHebda • (talk) 22:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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- you are correct. it turned out to be more elaborate than i thought - the code Brian wrote displayed the phone nicely, but placing the icon for turning it on/off on the menu turned out to be a bitch... anywhoo, i at least made it so that you can use it now, though it's not really pretty when you use a skin other than vector. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @JoeHebda: update: could not get the mobile on/off icon to look acceptable on monobook, modern and cologne blue, so on these skins, the on/off switch is text only (top row for mo*, left-menu under "Edit" for cologne). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @קיפודנחש: – So far, it looks good and okay to me. For Cologn Blue, I am confused because I can not find any "Edit" anywhere on the page; not on top or left sidebar. I do see a "Mobile view" but that is just for switching the entire page between Mobile/Desktop views. Wondering where to look? — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @JoeHebda: i practically never use cologne, and not aware of all its idiosyncrasies. for me, using this skin, when i am on a page i am allowed to edit, i see in the left-hand menu column "Edit". i verified that this is so even as anon (you can test any skin by appending to the address line "?useskin=<skinname>". this works for anons too. names are [ vector monobook modern cologneblue ]). i also verified that the script causes "Mobile" to appear there even for anons. there might be something in your prefs that causes it not to show, or maybe it *does* show and for some reason you missed it. HTH, peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @קיפודנחש: – So far, it looks good and okay to me. For Cologn Blue, I am confused because I can not find any "Edit" anywhere on the page; not on top or left sidebar. I do see a "Mobile view" but that is just for switching the entire page between Mobile/Desktop views. Wondering where to look? — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @JoeHebda: update: could not get the mobile on/off icon to look acceptable on monobook, modern and cologne blue, so on these skins, the on/off switch is text only (top row for mo*, left-menu under "Edit" for cologne). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- you are correct. it turned out to be more elaborate than i thought - the code Brian wrote displayed the phone nicely, but placing the icon for turning it on/off on the menu turned out to be a bitch... anywhoo, i at least made it so that you can use it now, though it's not really pretty when you use a skin other than vector. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
קיפודנחש – Yes, I did find it now. I had to set my custom CSS font-size to 155 percent for Cologne Blue skin to help overcome a line-height issue making that skin very hard to read. And the Mobile preview sidebar works okay there as well. Just a FYI, I found a report of User skin preferences at Wikipedia:Database reports/User preferences#Skin. Thanks so much for getting Mobile to work correctly with these skins! IMO not seeing the little toolbar icon is a lesser (non-structural) issue.
Now in order to go live with this script, what needs to be done? Once it is out there I will check On in Gadgets. Then, could the Mobile sidebar preview line of Gadgets be moved out of the Testing and development section? Perhaps move into Appearance section? Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 19:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- @JoeHebda: i saw this more as an experiment, to gauge the amount of change needed to make mobile-sidebar work with other skins. ideally, User:Brion VIBBER would patch the script on meta to work with all skins (TBH, Brion needs me to tell him how to do that exactly as much as i need my grandson to teach me to suck eggs). if, for any reason, Brion doesn't do it, enwiki can decide that limiting this gadget to vector is acceptable. the very last resort would be to change the gadget on enwiki to consume Brion's css file from meta, and the modified js file from my userspace (or some copy of it). this last option is both undesirable and unlikely. if none of those options is executed, people who do not use vector can consume my modified script privately, the same way i listed above and you tried. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
VisualEditor messing up infobox wikitext layout
How is it possible for VisualEditor to mess up the wikitext layout so badly? The actual rendered infobox is still fine, but the code is a mess. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Because it was missing this in it's description. Would be nice if someone could make a bot to make sure to check the template data for templates that are being used in this style. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Did a quick search and rooted out a few cases. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 20:57, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- I found another. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- If you want a complete list then Wikipedia:TemplateData/List is pretty upto date. It look like @Jdforrester: is doing a lot of work to set
"format": "block"
in a lot of TemplateData sections.--Salix alba (talk): 22:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- If you want a complete list then Wikipedia:TemplateData/List is pretty upto date. It look like @Jdforrester: is doing a lot of work to set
- @Salix alba, Nyuszika7h, TheDJ, and Redrose64: Yeah, it'd be nice to establish some norms and do a bot-run to do this. Quick suggestions – all infoboxes, navboxes, amboxes, succession boxes, and cites. Any more big categories I'm missing? James F. (talk) 00:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Not cites, please. Refs are often added in the middle of a paragraph, and multi-line cite templates make diff comparisons somewhat difficult as the second half of the paragraph is no longer on the same line as the first. Generally speaking: if the template is used inline, it should be written inline; if it makes a block, it can be written multiline. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Like this, but in reverse. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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- @Redrose64: I disagree. Inline reference templates make the wikitext essentially (even more) unreadable, and I've been writing them (manually) in block format for years without objection. In future please {{ping}} people if you're replying to them, rather than just commenting and then reverting. :-( James F. (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Jdforrester: You may prefer cite templates to be written multiline; that doesn't mean that it's everybody's preferred format. Indeed, there have been several previous proposals to make multiline the only preferred format for cite templates; these always met with objections and never went through. VE edits excepted, I encounter far more that are written inline than are written multiline. In future please obtain consensus for controversial changes before making them. I didn't use
{{ping}}
at 00:47, 29 February 2016 because you asked the question, and it's courtesy to watch pages where you are expecting a reply. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)-
- @Redrose64: Sure, I'm not at all concerned that you reverted me; you had good reason. Can you provide links to discussions about these templates being laid out well being rejected in a discussion?
- BTW, I'd disagree with you on the idea that it's OK to fail to use ping just because someone will probably see it when they check in a few days' time; courtesies change, and by now not ensuring that your conversants are pinged (either with a mention or because you're using a modern discussion system). The concept of a "courtesy to watch pages" was true back in 2011 when there wasn't a better alternative for talk pages and there weren't pings available. :-) James F. (talk) 00:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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- @Jdforrester: You may prefer cite templates to be written multiline; that doesn't mean that it's everybody's preferred format. Indeed, there have been several previous proposals to make multiline the only preferred format for cite templates; these always met with objections and never went through. VE edits excepted, I encounter far more that are written inline than are written multiline. In future please obtain consensus for controversial changes before making them. I didn't use
- @Redrose64: I disagree. Inline reference templates make the wikitext essentially (even more) unreadable, and I've been writing them (manually) in block format for years without objection. In future please {{ping}} people if you're replying to them, rather than just commenting and then reverting. :-( James F. (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Ambox template invocations are also usually written on one line, although the output is a block. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 01:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- I normally see them written multiline, see for example Template:Refimprove. Do you have any examples where the params are all run onto one line? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Are you talking about the code in Template:Refimprove itself? I was talking about its transclusions, and transclusions of other templates based on Template:Ambox. (That's what I understood by Jdforrester saying "amboxes".) For example, at the A article, the invocation is
{{refimprove|date=December 2014}}
, which is all on one line. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:12, 1 March 2016 (UTC)- For clarity of language, let's say that {{refimprove}} is constructed in block form and invoked inline, since its parent template {{ambox}} is invoked in block form. Amboxes, i.e. the class of templates constructed using {{ambox}}, are almost always invoked inline. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 18:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Are you talking about the code in Template:Refimprove itself? I was talking about its transclusions, and transclusions of other templates based on Template:Ambox. (That's what I understood by Jdforrester saying "amboxes".) For example, at the A article, the invocation is
- I normally see them written multiline, see for example Template:Refimprove. Do you have any examples where the params are all run onto one line? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I came across a lot of these in the last day or so: e.g. this edit to an instance of Template:Infobox football biography. It's common practice for the set of four parameters that apply to one football club to be written across the page, rather than on four separate lines, and the bug (if that's the right word) is mixing them up apparently at random. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Very early edit history missing
I'm looking at the Amedeo Avogadro article and I notice that the edit history starts with an edit on 19:46, 26 February 2002 which is pure vandalism and the second edit is a quick "revert", suggesting the original edit history prior to 19:46, 26 February 2002 is missing. I don't see any page moves or other log entries that might explain the missing history. Is it just lost? What forensics can be done to figure out what happened in such cases? Jason Quinn (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- I remember this coming up before, but couldn't find the thread. IIRC, a lot of early histories are missing, and those that do survive may be wrong. DuncanHill (talk) 22:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Have a look at WP:UuU. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- User:Graham87 has been active in fixing these kinds of history errors. He has some details about the process on his user page. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Have a look at WP:UuU. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- I couldn't find the entry at the Nostalgia Wikipedia so the Amedeo Avogadro article must have been created after 20 December 2001. The missing history probably exists in the 2002 database dump. Graham87 does indeed have a very informative write-up of his efforts. Thank you all. Jason Quinn (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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- The import caused some anomalies (due to out-of-order revisionIDs), take for example the Anarchism article (history: Dec 2009; Jan 2005; Oldest):
- prev 01:44, 19 December 2009 174.124.221.56 (talk) (93,022 bytes) (+1)
- prev 02:05, 18 December 2009 Graham87 (talk | contribs) m (93,021 bytes) (0)
- prev 19:34, 17 December 2009 Midnightblueowl (talk | contribs) m (93,021 bytes) (-3)
- ...
- prev 02:59, 17 January 2005 TimMony (talk | contribs) m (84,641 bytes) (+75,206) (→See also)
- prev 04:40, 15 January 2005 Conversion script (talk | contribs) m (9,435 bytes) (-83,586) (link fix)
- prev 07:29, 13 January 2005 69.105.13.127 (talk) (84,649 bytes) (+19) (→Anarchist organizations)
- ...
- prev 15:00, 25 February 2002 Conversion script (talk) m (9,546 bytes) (+119) (Automated conversion)
- prev 15:25, 2 December 2001 216.39.146.xxx (talk) m (9,427 bytes) (-83,594) (*Added Kropotkin;
- prev 15:08, 2 December 2001 216.39.146.xxx (talk) m (9,175 bytes) (+171) (*Add two substantial
- Click the 19 December 2009 "prev" link, then click ← Previous edit; instead of 17 december 2009, you get 15 January 2005
- Click ← Previous edit again, you get 15:25, 2 December 2001
- Click ← Previous edit one more time: 19:34, 17 December 2009
- The import caused some anomalies (due to out-of-order revisionIDs), take for example the Anarchism article (history: Dec 2009; Jan 2005; Oldest):
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- Didn't know who did the import. Well, that does explain Graham87's edit summary on 18 Dec 2009. Why the Conversion script revision was given the date 15 Jan 2005 however, that still doesn't make sense.. Prevalence 02:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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- @Prevalence: That's because I messed up and imported this edit from the Nostalgia Wikipedia (it had its own conversion script).
- @Jason Quinn: Re the Amedeo Avogadro case, that's really, really weird! The earliest surviving edit to that page was made well after Wikipedia upgraded to the Phase II software, and also after and a mistake on 25 February 2002 when the timestamps of thousands of edits were botched. Usually in cases like this, at least one edit survives before 25 February 2002. Niether the March 2002 database dump nor the old deletion logs have further clues about where any missing edits could have gone. However, the contributions of 151.24.146.117 are interesting; after adding the first substantial content to the page, they wikilinked it in four articles, adding all but two of the links to that page that occur in the March 2002 database dump (the others were at "1776" and "Talk:Avogadro's number". Therefore they may have added the first page content, but I don't see how they could have done it in ten minutes. Hmmm. I'll add it to my page history observations anyway. Graham87 10:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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- If the text is original and appeared so suddenly, one possible explanation is that is was a copy-paste from elsewhere and therefore a likely copyright violation. I spent a few minutes searching for evidence of that but failed to find anything incriminating. Thanks, Graham for your work on page history stuff. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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square brackets in category names please?
Square brackets in category names, why cannot it be done. Is there a workaround? Asking for my policy proposal here change category name syntax. Regards, CN1 (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- No page name can have square brackets. See Wikipedia:Page name#Technical restrictions and limitations. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thread was moved (with slight changes) from VPP to VPR, and is now at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Category name syntax. Curiously, none of its versions mention square brackets, just brackets. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- But I did: "I would've preferred squared brackets for the sorting key, that would look even better, but Wikipedia doesn't allow it." CN1 (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Uncheck from watchlist
Hi,
do we have any script to uncheck watched pages directly from Special:Watchlist?--17:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juandev (talk • contribs)
- @Juandev: user:js/watchlist will do that. See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Unwatch and phab:T2424. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:20, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Edit toolbar rarely loads
Recently I am experiencing problems when editing wikicode that edit toolbar rarely loads. Also box with symbols under edit window is not clickable and I cannot initiate page to edit it in Visual Editor.--Juandev (talk) 17:29, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Juandev: I'm not sure if this is the reason, but i would highly advice against messing with the load order. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:04, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Images not showing, attempting to click on their root page will result in 404 error
Hi, I posted the same issue six months ago and the problem has not been solved for me. It occurs on all devices, logged in or out, and is not network-dependent or operating system dependent (happens on Ubuntu 15.10 and Windows 7/10). Both Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia-based images do not load. I believe that I have seen the issue occur on Internet Explorer and Firefox -- but I cannot remember for sure (this issue is a regular occurance, but is very transient and random at the same time). Thanks, My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 17:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- How do you know its not related to network or ISP?--Juandev (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not ISP-specific because I receive the same problem at another house, or at school for example. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 20:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- So you know, that another house or school does not have the same ISP for sure? I think we need to look on it in deep and check these:
- DNS (try google DNS 8.8.8.8.)
- browser (try different browser)
- wp user settings (try to do that, when log off)
- other PC settings (try to test friends PC at home)
- ISP (try it with your computer via different ISP)
- bandwith (test your bandwith, when the problem starts)
- PC performance (see for free disk space on your PC and other free available resources)
- local geoblocking (contact your ISP weather there is any of these in your area or ask on the Internet)
- Juandev (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Juandev: I know that both my grandads use different ISPs, one uses Virgin Media and the other uses TalkTalk respectively -- I use BT. I did try that DNS but it caused too many issues in the way -- I will try others. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 13:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
“TypeError: mw.util is undefined”
Error messages from Firefox. First I'm told that mw.util is undefined, then I'm told that something else is deprecated and that I should use mw.util instead. As a result, I don't see a number of links which are supposed to be created by my global.js script. Any idea what's wrong? Note that Firefox also produces warnings that a bunch of other things also are deprecated between these two warnings, but I don't see anything which would explain why I'm told to use something which is apparently undefined. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like a load order error. If it's running before some stuff from the
mediawiki
(shortcutmw
) object is defined, wrapping it in$().ready(function () { /* code goes here */ })
might help; otherwise I'd be suggesting the mw.loader.using helper. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 01:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)- It seems that the problem disappeared when I added
$(mw).ready(function(){
at the beginning of my userscript and});
at the end of my userscript, but I think that it would be better if Mediawiki did this automatically for all userscripts instead of confusing users. I suspect that quite a lot of userscripts depend on themw
object. Thanks for the help! --Stefan2 (talk) 11:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC)- @Stefan2:. Thats still wrong unfortunately (and only works per chance). Please see ResourceLoader documentation, for the right way to write userscripts that depend on resourceloader modules. And you need to declare this dependency on mw.util, because the only modules that are always loaded by default are mw and mw.loader. Because many other components also load mw.util, it can often go unnoticed that you had forgotten to declare this dependency, but global scripts are loaded a bit earlier than most other user scripts, so that might surface the problem a bit quicker than other modules might have. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- It seems that the problem disappeared when I added
Copy/ paste on a certain article makes Chrome browser crash repeatedly
All of a sudden I'm repeatedly having issues with Chrome browser crashing when I am editing an article, during a copy/ paste operation. When I do the paste, I get the "Aw snap! Something went wrong" Chrome browser screen. I go back and try the same thing again and keep getting it. Doing a "Paste as plain text" doesn't fix it. At that point I have to stop editing, close the whole browser and start over again to be able to edit.
I'm wondering if it's something specific to the article as I noticed just now I was able to paste the "problem" text (a blank Template:cite news copied from the template wiki page) into this text box with no problems, although I deleted it so as not to be cluttering up this post. The article that's giving me problems with editing is Death of Starr Faithfull . So far this is the only article on which the problem has occurred, and it's happened multiple times within the past week, but not sure if that's just because I'm spending a lot of editing time on that particular article right now, so a problem is most likely to pop up there.
I'm using Win 7 Home Premium with svc pack 1 and Chrome version 48.0.2564.116 m . If anyone can tell me how to stop this from happening it would be great as it's really causing headaches with me trying to add the appropriate citations to the article. TheBlinkster (talk) 21:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- @TheBlinkster: Are you using VisualEditor? {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 01:30, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
-
- No, I'm more comfortable with Wikimarkup code. I also don't use any mobile devices to edit, I do it on a laptop like the old skool person I am :) I switched over to Firefox to edit on the article today and am not having the problem with that browser. TheBlinkster (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I reproduced it on first attempt at Death of Starr Faithfull with Chrome (same version as above) on OS X. That was around 23:00 UTC (and Chrome had probably been running for some hours before that), but now after restarting the browser I'm not able to reproduce the issue. --Pipetricker (talk) 10:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Happened to me too on the Finnish Wikipedia yesterday when I tried to edit my user page. I usually use Firefox but wanted to try Chrome, and it always crashed when I tried to paste some text on my user page. Then I updated my Chrome and the problem got solved. I don't remember the old Chrome version, but now I have 49.0.2623.75 m. --Stryn (talk) 12:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hmm... I notice now that when restarting my Chrome it got updated from 48.0.2564.116 (where I reproduced the issue) to 49.0.2623.75 (where I haven't been able to reproduce it). Maybe the issue got fixed between these versions. --Pipetricker (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Section === formatting
So, where is the section === level formatting talk? -DePiep (talk) 00:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "level formatting talk"? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Purging WP:FPC
I recently created Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pallas' cat and clicked the purge button at WP:FPC, but the entry doesn't show up. I also manually purged via &action=purge per the directions at WP:PURGE. It's now been a day and a half since I created the FP candidate, and still no dice. The entry does appear at Category:Featured picture nominations/March 2016. I'm afraid there is some obvious thing I've missed. What is it? Manul ~ talk 03:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- You needed to transcluse it onto the main page. See Step 3. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see you added it already, thanks. But I have excuses! The page is unusually wide, and the width of my browser window was such that Step 2 cleanly ended on the right. Also considering the squished columns, I think the page would be more readable if the three steps were listed vertically. But that's something to take up elsewhere. Manul ~ talk 04:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Once you made it clear what you wanted done, it was obvious to me that I should complete it - after all, Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see you added it already, thanks. But I have excuses! The page is unusually wide, and the width of my browser window was such that Step 2 cleanly ended on the right. Also considering the squished columns, I think the page would be more readable if the three steps were listed vertically. But that's something to take up elsewhere. Manul ~ talk 04:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
"Category:Candidates for speedy deletion#Pages in category" still includes Laurent Weil
Hello all,
Category:Candidates for speedy deletion#Pages in category still includes Laurent Weil.
I've checked all the possible redirects and templates on that article to see if any of them have speedy deletion tags on 'em. If there are, I can't find them.
I've purged - myself, my browser cache, and also by adding &action=purge
to both the category and the article - and the tag is till there.
What's going on? Is this some sort of known issue?
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- It does not include that page on my end. A DNS/Cache issue? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- It was gone when I looked. A purge of an article only affects the purged article page and not category pages. Make a null edit ot the article to also update category pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's no longer in the category now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- A null edit of the article fixed it. Mentioned on the page linked from "This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more)" at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion#Pages in category. --Pipetricker (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's no longer in the category now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Can't always access "Cite" in the wikitext edit window
I use the wikitext edit box (not Visual Editor) to edit Wikipedia. As shown at File:How to edit a page Edit box.png, when editing using that edit box, there are supposed to be "menus" for Advanced, Special characters, Help, and Cite at the top of the edit box. However, I don't get the Cite menu every time. Usually it's there -- but sometimes it doesn't appear, and all I get in those situations is Advanced, Special characters, and Help.
Is anyone else familiar with this problem, and, if so, what can be done to ensure that I can always access the Cite menu from the edit box? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90 - Same here, I reported the problem back in 2015 and nothing was done, Sometimes the menu does appear but then none of the options work .... –Davey2010Talk 17:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
-
- I have a different sporadic quirk lately. I can access the Template drop down list, and see the cite templates to select. That step usually works with no problem. But about once a day or so, when I select a cite template from the drop down, nothing happens. Try again, two, three times, nothing happens. So, I click "Show preview", which seems to clear the problem and I can then select and use a cite template. This happens when I'm in Firefox 44.0.2. There is no consistency on it that I can see. — Maile (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Three redirects unlisted in WhatLinksHere
The following three redirects are not listed in Special:WhatLinksHere/Template talk:Talk archive: Template talk:Talk archive/doc, Template talk:Talk archive/sandbox, and Template talk:Talk archive/testcases. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I fixed these cases with null edits to each redirect, but it's still worth talking about the general occurrence of omissions like these. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 18:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Pressing save doesn't save but previews
Anyone else having this problem? Doug Weller talk 18:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I just did three saves with no problems. I though that it might be related to the "Show preview on first edit" preference, but apparently not. RudolfRed (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- I get it maybe once a month, usually (but not always) it throws the "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data" error at the same time. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Must have been a freak thing. Happened on a couple of pages and then not again. Doug Weller talk 12:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- I get it maybe once a month, usually (but not always) it throws the "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data" error at the same time. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Search error in Template:Search deletion discussions
Clicking on "Search Deletion Discussions" in Template:Search deletion discussions (which is transcluded on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion) will always generate "An error has occurred while searching: Search request is longer than the maximum allowed length." regardless of what you type in the search box. Even leaving the box empty will generate that error when you click on the button. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- The error message ends with for example "(663 > 300)" for me. A length limit of 300 was set in September at phab:T107947. {{Search deletion discussions}} must be changed to greatly reduce the length. There is another problem. It uses {{Search prefixes}} which makes searches with a syntax that doesn't currently work when you select multiple prefixes. For example,
{{Search prefixes|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion}}
produces:
- A search on X becomes
X prefix:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion
. It's apparently meant to search two prefixes separated by a pipe but that doesn't happen. It gives no results and maybe interprets it as a single long prefix. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC) - The template could be fixed, but since it isn't used much, I wonder if it would be better to get rid of it and hard-code the searching code into Wikipedia:Deletion process. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
IW does not work from search box
I found out that iw does not work from search box. E.g. if you type on cs.wp to search box en:dog and click on enter, you are redirected to English Wikipedia's article Dog. Or if you type in es:Perro you are redirected to Spanish Wikipedia's article Perro. So if I type on en.wp cs:pes, I should be redirected to Czech Wikipedia's Pes, but it wont work. There is just error message stating "There were no results matching the query." What am I doing wrong?--Juandev (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- It works for me. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 09:14, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- It also works for me currently in Firefox but has occasionally failed in the past. When it fails it is apparently because the "Go" feature of the searh box to go directly to an exact match is failing. Do you go to Dog or get search results if you type Dog and click enter? What is you browser and skin? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Why did the creation of a user's talk page show up on my watchlist?
This one.[1] Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: "What links here" leads me to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Finnoflannigan/Archive. Could you have added this user to your watchlist at that point? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. At that point they hadn't edited! Stupid me, I'll remember to check what links here next time. And to block him. I added him so I'd know if he'd done something to attract a user to his talk page. Doug Weller talk 15:23, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
External links by page type
I'm looking at a Special:LinkSearch page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=www.ted.com&title=Special%3ALinkSearch
but am finding results in user pages and so on; I only want links in articles.
Adding &namespace=0
:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=www.ted.com&title=Special%3ALinkSearch&namespace=0
doesn't do the trick; is there another method I can use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's trivial to search for URLs using Special:Search and
insource:
. E.g. www.ted.com. More info at mediawikiwiki:Help:CirrusSearch#insource:. --Izno (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)- Thank you. Unfortunately, that does not number its results, making it harder to determine the total number found. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- quarry:query/7901. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:49, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Edgars2007: Thank you - that looks like what I need. Two Qs: Is "en" in
FROM externallinks enel
the identifier for the English Wikipedia (and sofrel
for French. etc)? and how do I get http and https links? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)- I modified the query, so it "answers" to both questions. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 12:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Edgars2007: Thank you - that looks like what I need. Two Qs: Is "en" in
- quarry:query/7901. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:49, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you. Unfortunately, that does not number its results, making it harder to determine the total number found. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Template transclusion glitch
My userpage has always functioned correctly, but now my {{divhide}}
template no longer transcludes, but shows as a plainlink instead. Also, some of my barnstars no longer work either.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 16:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Cyberpower678: MediaWiki has a template limit. When you transclude too many instances of one template, it will be displayed as a link instead of being transcluded. See Help:Template#Template limits and Wikipedia:Template limits. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, your page has hit the post-expand include size limit of 2097152 bytes.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Specifically, Template:Admin dashboard has gotten too big (it exceeds the post-expand include size by itself). SiBr4 (talk) 16:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Discussion about WP:CITEVAR and use of it to restrict how things may be coded
![](https://web.archive.org/web/20160310195824im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Imbox_notice.png/20px-Imbox_notice.png)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Instruction creep in WP:CITEVAR. The relevance to VPTECH is that some wording in the guideline has been interpreted by some as permitting reversion of wikicode changes that have no effect on visual output. Others are convinced that the "citation style" referred to in that guideline means the style (the visual appearance and arrangement) of citations, not the formatting of the underlying code. Give that WP:CITESTYLE and it's WP:CITEVAR component are closely related to MOS:ENGVAR, MOS:DATEVAR, and various other *VAR provisions for "status quo enforcement", and efforts are made to keep these provisions synchronized to some extent, this discussion could have much broader implications that citation-related bickering. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 17:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Incorrect protection level category on File:AnonEditWarning.svg
I just changed the {{Keep local}} tag on File:AnonEditWarning.svg to {{Keep local high-risk}} to use the more specific template and now the page shows up on Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. I think something in Keep local high-risk makes the template expect pages it is on to be fully protected, which this file is not - it's just upload and move protected, which is actually all what is needed for a local security copy. Is there a way to educate the template that upload+move protection is correct? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Looks like Anomie (talk · contribs) created the template with some incorrect code, which I have removed. Code that applies to the template and not to the pages it is transcluded on belongs inside
<noinclude>...</noinclude>
not in<includeonly>...</includeonly>
; and in any case,{{pp-template}}
is redundant since the{{documentation}}
handles any prot icon padlocks that may be applicable. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Tech News: 2016-10
20:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Error when attempting to delete files
In trying to delete File:Iiac.png and File:SLAF Palaly Crest.jpg as orphaned files in batch deletion via Twinkle, I run into similar error messages: Error deleting file: The file "mwstore://local-multiwrite/local-deleted/a/j/b/ajbyzg02hhch9vwtsilxeaqnhdxfpz8.png" is in an inconsistent state within the internal storage backends. I ran into this problem when trying to delete other files, but I was able to get them deleted on the second try. I simply can not get the two aforementioned files deleted. Attempting to delete the files individually has not resolved the problem. Any ideas as to why this issue is occurring? — ξxplicit 02:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- There was recently an issue with database/replication, see phab:T128096, that did produce this error message.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
-
- That phab is so 4-days-ago and was closed. It happened again later, see phab:T129212, and (again) seems resolved. DMacks (talk) 22:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Preferred protocol for external links templates
I recently modified {{TED speaker}} to use https://www.ted.com/speakers/
instead of http://www.ted.com/speakers/
.
Would it be better to use //www.ted.com/speakers/
? Is there a policy/ MoS page describing this? Should we apply the latter to all external link templates for sites which use both protocols? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- We only serve our content as https these days, so there should be a preference for https (since relative protocol does nothing in that case). I know of at least one user (Bender something or other) actively converting Internet Archive and Google links to https, so there is precedent. --Izno (talk) 12:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: There is no policy, but we do have an essay, WP:PRURL. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- WP:EL mentions it at WP:External links#Links to Wikimedia vs. to elsewhere. That essay hasn't been updated to take into account the two RFCs regarding IA and Google, or the fact we only serve our content via HTTPS, so I would be careful referencing it (especially since the word "preferred" gets used, when in fact it's not). --Izno (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: There is no policy, but we do have an essay, WP:PRURL. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, all. Time for an RfC? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: As Izno indicated, Bender235 has for some time been changing http: to https: for Google and Internet Archive (Wayback Machine), per this RfC result, with no objections that I am aware of. PRURL could have been used instead in those cases, but he and others decided https: was preferable. If this is the same situation I don't see the need for another RfC. Here's some related user talk from last year. ―Mandruss ☎ 11:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason to still use PRURL. Wikipedia is now delivered HTTPS-only, and this won't change any time soon.--bender235 (talk) 15:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Because HTTP might be extremely slow as companies use a single server to MitM and we have reusers who use HTTP and dislike the expense and complexity of encryption. Also, I've noticed we're being overrun by political activists who are undermining the encyclopedia's neutrality to benefit their own groups. — Dispenser 17:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason to still use PRURL. Wikipedia is now delivered HTTPS-only, and this won't change any time soon.--bender235 (talk) 15:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
db-c1
Does {{db-c1}} (empty category) contain a timer like PROD to say when four days are up? Should it be added when a category is first empty, or should one wait four days before adding? How does one tell whether a category has been empty for four days? JohnCD (talk) 12:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The template does contain a timer; you should add {{db-c1}} when the category is first empty. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- It relies on two things: (i) that nobody edits the cat page after the
{{db-c1}}
is added, otherwise{{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}
gets reset; (ii) that someone or something WP:PURGEs the cat page at some point after four days, to get the cat page out of Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion and into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion/Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as empty categories. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)- (i) is gnerally not an issue - empty categories are rarely edited. As to (ii), these categories do end up at CSD on a fairly regular basis - I believe that Joe's Null Bot is responsible for this. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- It relies on two things: (i) that nobody edits the cat page after the
Why a url is blacklisted?
How do I find out why a url, for "llegalemapas", is blacklisted? It is in the black list but I cannot see it in the black list log ? I wanted to use it in Samdech Euv High School. Eno Lirpa (talk) 15:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Eno Lirpa: If you can't find a URL on the English Wikipedia's blacklist (MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist), then you should check meta's one (meta:Spam-blacklist). From a little digging it was added there in July 2007 as a result of this request. Sam Walton (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Implementation of editormeter, that depends on time.
Wikipedia has counter of edits, but can it depend on time? For example, with {{NUMBEROF:|Edits|en|01.01.2016 10:00:01|01.01.2016 12:00:01|N}}
we will obtain the number of changes, that were made from January 1, 2016 from 10 hours 00 minutes and 01 seconds to 1 January 2016 to 12 hours 00 minutes and 01 seconds. Is it any technical realization of such or similar counter? Thanks! Ігор Пєтков (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of any template that gives edit counts on a specific date or time. There is, however, a well-maintained page with the exact time of 10 million edit increments and a Wikiproject dedicated to edit counters. It is likely possible to make a module loop around to find a diff number at a specified time to get what you're describing, but you'd need to be careful not to exceed the expensive operation limit. Mamyles (talk) 20:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- This feature is incorporated to X!'s tools on a user basis. For example, see my edits. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- True, Range Contributions is close to his requirements, but is for a specified list of users and does not use time. Mamyles (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not currently possible to do this in Lua - the Lua API doesn't include any access to page histories or user contributions. It would have to be done via some other means (probably a tool or bot). — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:46, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- This feature is incorporated to X!'s tools on a user basis. For example, see my edits. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Cross-wiki notifications alive on Beta on your wiki March 11th, 00:00UTC
Greetings!
As you may have noticed on the last Tech News issue, Collaboration team is please to announce that Cross-wiki notifications will be available as a Beta feature on all wikis by March 11th, 00:00UTC (it has been rescheduled).
Cross-wiki notifications will help you know about some activity on another wiki. How does it work? Imagine someone thanks you on Commons - the next time you open a page on English Wikipedia, you'll see that notification from Commons! We hope this will help everyone who is active on multiple wikis. You will find more information in the documentation.
Of course, it is a Beta Feature. We have tested many possible cases on test wikis, and then release that feature one month ago on MediaWiki.org, Commons, Wikidata, French and Hebrew wikis. That first release allowed us to solve encountered problems, but if you experience some bugs (and we are sorry about that), please report them on the dedicated page. That page is also open to feedback and suggestions.
To activate the feature, you will have to go on the 11th of March to your preferences, Beta tab, and select the "Enhanced notifications" checkbox. You will then receive Notifications when they happen on any other wiki (and may the unread ones posted a long time ago). You will receive these notifications only on the wiki where you have activated the feature. If you do not activate it, nothing will change on your Notifications panel.
If you have any questions, please mention me.
All the best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Server migration will prevent editing
Just an update on the codfw server migration:
Regulars here may recall that Ops is planning to temporarily put all the wikis into read-only mode when they're launching the new data center in Texas during the week of 21 March. Here are a few more details:
What to expect
- The read-only disruption will happen TWICE, once on Tuesday, 22 March (at the start of the tricky bits) and once on Thursday, 24 March (at the end of the tricky bits).
- There will probably be a five-minute test of read-only mode next week. Details are being discussed.
- The time of day has not been determined yet. Ops normally does things during low traffic periods, so my guess is approximately 07:00 UTC (midnight in California).
- The read-only mode for the actual event will probably last 15 to 30 minutes each time (longer than initially hoped for, but this estimate sounds more realistic). If you try to edit or save during this time, then you'll get an error message about the wiki being in read-only mode (not the 'blue screen of death').
- If you get that error message when trying to save the page, just hang on; you should be able to save your edit once everything's back to normal. (But please make a copy first, just in case it fails.)
- Bots and scripts may need to be restarted afterwards. Some pages may need to be purged (or just wait a bit for the jobs to catch up), e.g., if you see a redlink but the page was recently created.
Communications issues
- If you are a regular on the IRC channels, please be prepared for lots of people reporting the "unexpected outage". It might be a good idea to change the headers during these events to let people know what's going on. I hope to get an explanation for this project posted soon, so a link to that might help.
- I'm working on CentralNotices and MassMessages to all the wikis.
- I'd like to see watchlist notices up at the bigger projects, starting approximately now. What do you all think of that idea?
I'll post more here as their plan develops. Please share this information. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- We can certainly watchlist notice this - is there a good link to a page describing the activity, etc (besides this?). — xaosflux Talk 17:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Midnight in California is 7:00 UTC from March 14 to November 6 because it is Daylight Saving Time. 63.251.215.25 (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Xaosflux, there's no useful page at the moment, but I hope that one will be available soon. There's a Phab project, and various pages on mw.org that discuss technical aspects of it, but there's nothing in plain English or intended for humans. What do you think about a watchlist notice that says something like this:
- Wikimedia Technical Operations is planning a major infrastructure migration on Tuesday, 22 March and Thursday, 24 March. This process is expected to take 15 to 30 minutes each time. During these times, you will be able to read, but not edit any page. We apologize for the disruption.
- When we get a useful page posted, then we could link the words "a major infrastructre migration" to that explanation. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Xaosflux, there's no useful page at the moment, but I hope that one will be available soon. There's a Phab project, and various pages on mw.org that discuss technical aspects of it, but there's nothing in plain English or intended for humans. What do you think about a watchlist notice that says something like this: