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- 1 Your removed edit
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- 3 Request for your feedback, on an AE regarding ECIG Articles.
- 4 Talk:Daulatabad, Maharashtra/GA1
- 5 Celtic Christianity
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- 7 DYK for Rock relief
- 8 Juan Manuel de Rosas FAC
- 9 Disambiguation link notification for January 14
- 10 Spanish Churches
- 11 With regards to Borghese Collection
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- 22 Les Grandes Baigneuses (Renoir)
- 23 Van Gogh PR
- 24 Deep history
- 25 kebabs
- 26 Leads
- 27 George Bernard Shaw
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Your removed edit
I did read the post before you removed it. You had an interesting point of view. It is a red flag when a source misrepresents the material its views are based on and may lead to questions of its use on reliability grounds. AlbinoFerret 17:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well the review has 3 sourceson the point, not all of which I can see, but they don't represent that one terribly well. Johnbod (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Request for your feedback, on an AE regarding ECIG Articles.
Hello, you are a recent editor of Electronic Cigarettes, I am asking for your input to an Arbitration Enforcement Request AE. Found here. If you have time I would appreciate your input. The items in question are listed out 1-8. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Mystery_Wolff
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Talk:Daulatabad, Maharashtra/GA1
Hi! I assume that you have quick failed this GA nomination. But it hasn't been closed properly. Talk page and elsewhere still show it as open. Can you please close it? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, but these templates are a mystery to me. Do you know how to? I now see you made good comments back in August, more detailed than mine, so maybe you should close it anyway. Johnbod (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Done that now. It actually was easier than I thought, by just following Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Failing. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Celtic Christianity
Just a quick note, per closure of this discussion you'll have the opportunity to propose more deletions in the tree of Category:Celtic Christianity if you wish. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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DYK for Rock relief
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Juan Manuel de Rosas FAC
John, would mind finishing your review for Juan Manuel de Rosas FAC? Several other editors have given their support, but yours is lacking. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 18:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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Spanish Churches
i just am appliyng the same that the people made with Catalan churches, it make seen as different types of churches when within that context should be same, you apply that "wikipedia law" also with the Catalan churches, or let modify it to be in line with the rest of Spanish churches, answer me please, for get a conclusion--Vvven (talk) 17:42, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, they are completely wrong, and should not have done that. You will see that French, German and Italian churches do not follow this pattern, nor do most Spanish ones. Johnbod (talk) 17:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- And I see that in fact NONE of Category:Churches in Catalonia use this style either, which saves me correcting them. Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
begin to appply the same meausres in this Template:Benedictine monasteries in Catalonia. you must see the large amounts which the same problems that you say in these change that i try to propose Category:Romanesque architecture in Catalonia, Category:Modernisme architecture in Catalonia, with repetitive "...de...", "...d'...", or "Casa...", make the same with the other autonomous communities or let me put these names for the churches in the rest of Spain--Vvven (talk) 17:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
addition to that template and 2 categories, i found other Santa Maria de Manresa and if you can search it could found more--Vvven (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
see this article Catalan Romanesque Churches of the Vall de Boí--Vvven (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
See this, "Seu" means "cathedral" practically all cathedrals in catalonia, are named Seu, f.e. Seu Nova (new Cathedral), Seu Vella (Old Cathedral, Seu de..., man, you need to change much in catalonia, or let me put the native names to the rest of Spanish churches, also could be an option--Vvven (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
there large amounts of articles, including some world heritage sites, with Palau instead Palace.......Vall de, or Vall d'... Hospital de.....
As i said need to be in line with the rest of Spain, and even being of the same country, because is a kind of promoting, it heard the name good with its native name, for me there no problem, the wikipedia have could be open, because there is just a way to name this churches, but that be in all Spain, not this favored region--Vvven (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, there are some, all by I think 2 authors, but they are still wrong, and I will tell them so. With secular buildings "Casa", "Palau" etc it is not so bad, and place-names such as "Vall de" are fine, but there is no need to keep churches fully local. No doubt the locals at Fontclara just call the church "Sant Pau" anyway, not "Sant Pau de Fontclara". Johnbod (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to add to discussion as an outsider, but I disagree with changing, for example, Old Cathedral, Samamanca to Old Cathedral of Salamanca. I would agree with Santa Maria de Manresa, but then again, some would refer to this church as the abbey of Manresa.Rococo1700 (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm neutral on the cathedral; both work ok & there is no established style afaik. I'm not clear which you agree with at Manresa - Santa Maria de Manresa or Santa Maria, Manresa? Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Rococo1700 Why are you interested in matain the name of Santa Maria de Manresa and not San Isidoro de León (instead of Basilica of San Isidoro, León) if for start has the same historic relevance, with the confusion with other abbey in the town, i have to say that all Spanish towns as smaller as its are, it there more than three churches.--Vvven (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Other Catalan churches with same that i ask for the Castilian churches: Sant Benet de Bages, Santa Maria de Serrateix, Sant Ponç de Corbera, Sant Esteve de Banyoles, Santa Maria d'Amer, Santa Maria de Ripoll, Santa Maria de Roses, Sant Miquel de Cruïlles, Sant Pere de Besalú, Sant Pere de Camprodon, Santa Maria de Montserrat Abbey, Sant Salvador de Breda, Santa Maria d'Àneu, Santa Maria de Gerri, Santa Maria de Gualter, Monastery of Santa Maria de Vallbona (in the municipailty of Vallbona), Bodegas Güell (Guell celler), Catalan Romanesque Churches of the Vall de Boí (Sant Climent de Taüll, Santa Maria de Taüll, Sant Joan de Boí, Santa Eulàlia d'Erill la Vall, Sant Feliu de Barruera, Sant Quirc de Durro, Santa Maria de Cardet, Santa Maria de Cóll.--Vvven (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Some of these, like Santa Maria d'Àneu are famous and the full name, including the place, appears in sources in English. But this is not the case for most of the churches, either in Catalonia or the rest of Spain. Johnbod (talk) 21:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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Are famous is due to has many years this article with this name in wikipedia in english, and take this as the formal name for English, due to articles in wikipedia. here there a large list with cathedral named with the native Catalan word that means "cathedral" "Seu", or old cathedral Seu Vella, or new cathedral "Seu Nova" followed by of (de, d') and the city: La Seu (disambiguation)--Vvven (talk) 21:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, "are famous is due" to many mentions in books from years before Wikipedia was invented - look at the link. Also please look at Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Catalonia. Johnbod (talk) 21:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
A suggestion, i think that it could put in the article "this church also can be called Santa Maria d'Arneu, and the name of the article "Santa Maria, Arneu", applying the same rules of the rest of churches in Spain--Vvven (talk) 21:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
So, you arent answer to me or change the name of the catalan "wrong named" churches, if you will not, so i will make change the name in the rest of Castilian churches--Vvven (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I have changed some and will, since you insist, change others, but you do not have the right to demand that I do so to your timetable. The rules are clear - why don't you just follow them? See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Your attitude verges on being disruptive. You can of course change them yourself, which would be the constructive approach. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I dont tried to mean disruptive, less offensive, is just sound that maybe due to my little knowledge of English, is misunderstood, sorry, i recognize i was direct, but that is not wrong, in just a way of debate, thanks for help--Vvven (talk) 23:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
With regards to Borghese Collection
Your statement that I am categorizing items according to provenance is uninformed. You are flat out wrong. I was trying to categorize paintings according to location. For example, Juan de Pareja is a painting that is part of the Collections at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, a collection in New York City. The provenance of the painting includes Cardinal Tommaso Ruffo, Rome; Litterio Ruffo, 2nd Duke of Baranello, Naples; Vincenzo Ruffo, 3rd duca di Baranello, Naples (1772–76; sold to Hamilton); Sir William Hamilton, Palazzo Sessa, Naples, and nearly a dozen other owners. Look up MMA information, then go to object information, then to provenance.
Please look up the definition of provenance before you make uninformed accusations.
Second, I did not say I did not make the changes, just that I couldn't recall what my role was in the process, and that even if I didn't, that I supported the change. You pointed me to here? that I had not created and to which I had not deleted any categories, instead I had added more. Next time organize your thoughts better before you complain.
Third, before you make such changes, you should discuss this with other editors. Again using the same criteria that you are using above, "But this is not the case" that is used for other collections. Period. You are using arbitrary personal criteria for making a decision and avoiding precedent. I think your category is arbitrary. I believe, the primary entry should be category:Collections in the Borghese Gallery, and making those works formerly in the called, works formerly in the collection, if they should be so assigned at all. (see provenance argument above).
Fourth, can I remind you that this move changed the category of items but maintained their link to Borghese. It wasn't a clear emptying of a category. I think the way you have structured the categories now is confusing. I recommend that we move to the talk section of that category and debate this, or obtain outside mediation. I thought the change that I was doing was one that would be seen a minor and unimportant. You however have made a change even when another editor pointed out to you that he disagreed with you and gave you the reasons why. Please make a reasoned argument why you think this change is better or we will have to seek arbitration. Please refrain from making claims that are not true such as the provenance claim
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Veil of Isis
I wrote this up (partly incorporating text from a subtopic) so as to have something in place before mysteries of Isis, which links to it, appears on DYK. I'm having a hard time figuring out which categories it fits in, though. What categories would you use for a modern metaphor and artistic motif that is based on classical sources (but not a myth or story)? A. Parrot (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- Great stuff - all news to me! I've had a go. I'm off to the BM "Egypt, faith after the pharaohs" today btw. Johnbod (talk) 07:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- Cool. Late Antique Egypt was a very interesting place. Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Christians fighting in the streets of Alexandria, monks going out into temple ruins and supposedly fighting demons there, and ostensible Christians invoking the name of Isis (whether or not they remembered who she was) to make the neighbor's obnoxious dog stop barking. There's a letter of complaint to the governor of the Thebaid from 567—just three years before Muhammad was born—that suggests a group of Nubians got into the Temple of Isis at Philae and started worshipping her there again, more than a century after the family of priests who had run the place died out. That incident may have been the occasion for the transformation of the hypostyle hall into a church. A. Parrot (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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John, Rosas is now a FA. Thank you very much for your great review and for having given your support. I appreciate that. --Lecen (talk) 02:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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Les Grandes Baigneuses (Renoir)
I saw you changed "is held by" to "is in" in Les Grandes Baigneuses (Renoir). That's all right, but I was puzzled by your edit summary suggesting that "is held by" is not English. It is standard English, and also common for paintings, but since the simpler "is in" is fine, too, I won't argue with the change. I can also understand removing "a scene" as unnecessary, but I think "a" was left there. Corinne (talk) 02:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- " the women standing in the stream in the background posed in the large" was the bit I meant, but I managed not to hide it, I see. I can't even work out what was intended. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I can't, either. Oh...and I take back what I said, above, about "scene"; I'm used to looking at just the revision history, with the two columns, and the "delta" view threw me off; I didn't see you just removed the square brackets and not the word "scene"; I'm also sorry I misunderstood to what your edit summary referred. Corinne (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- No worries, I wasn't being very coherent. I see Hafspajen has been away nearly a month now... It's a lovely painting, & it would be nice to sort the article out, but I don't have much on Renoir. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Van Gogh PR
Working, very slowly, towards an FAC.[1]. Not here to ask for a review, more that since it's such a visible page and likely to draw attention, can you be on hand to rule on any VAMOS issues likely to crop up. I'll ping you if needs be, if that's ok. Ceoil (talk) 00:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)...I'll be there too. CassiantoTalk 09:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Of course, though he's not really my period. Johnbod (talk) 13:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Deep history
Hi. Re. "prehistory", it took me a while, but now I got it :-) Clear-cut definition, basta.
Could you please take a look at the "deep history" article? I think it's too high-flying and lacking a simple lead with a basic definition.
Is there anything to that idea that more recent researchers, by using a whole array of means borrowed from the nature sciences and applying them both to literate and illiterate cultures (which might have been contemp. with each other), are "blurring the distinction between the terms 'history' and 'prehistory'"? From the way it was written it seemed to me that it came from somebody who knew what he was talking about, but now it looks illogical. Or is there more to it? Thanks, Arminden (talk) 09:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 09:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- It's certainly the case for "history", where archaeology and other scientific (and social scientific) approaches have long been joining the analysis of contemporary chronicles and documents, even for quite recent periods - eg Industrial archaeology. Also for periods in protohistory, for example the Celtic Iron Age. But this has been going on since the 18th century, and eg Greek & Latin authors writing about the Celts have been treated with great suspicion for nearly a century, even though archaeology in fact confirms much that they say. But "written records" have never been relevant to most of prehistory, eg the European Stone Age, because there just aren't any. The original version before either of us started to change the article read "Historians increasingly do not restrict themselves to evidence from written records", which is very misleading in Prehistory because they never did, since the Renaissance or the birth of archaeology anyway. I'll have a poke at deep history, but it isn't really my thing. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
John, if I may bother you again: there is a 1500-year discrepancy between the PPNA dates given by specialised archaeologists here, and the dates used by the WP articles on Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, Jericho, the Wall of Jericho and the Tower of Jericho: ≈11,500–10,500 cal B.P. vs. 8000 to 7000 BC. The PNAS article is referring specifically to the PPNA site at Dhra', but Jericho is only a stone throw away, so regional differences can hardly play a part. Or is it connected to calibrated carbon dates vs. what has become common dating standards? Thanks again, Arminden (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I see that paper is 2008/9. It may just be newer findings giving a new date, or there may be more to it. Unfortunately all the editors at PPNA with apparent expertise seem to have moved on, & I'm loath to change anything in an area I know next to nothing about. I suggest you copy the query to the talk pages of the articles, and maybe the archaeology project talk, and see if anything happens. If nothing does, after 8 years or so there should be new 2ndary sources reflecting the new date, somewhere. Johnbod (talk) 15:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
kebabs
Hi, and thanks for your recent edits to the various "kebab" pages. I'd like to take a moment if I may, to explain some of the things I've been hoping to achieve there lately.
It's a little complicated because of the various meanings of the word kebab in different places. The main source of difficulty is in the English use of kebab to mean meat and/or vegetables cooked or served on small skewers. This is of course the correct definition of the English loanword, according to English dictionaries.
However, to avoid some of the problems described at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, I'm hoping to impart a more "world-wide view of the subject", as best I can with my limited knowledge. I think it's important for people to understand what the word normally means in English, but also to learn what it means in its native lands, and especially, to get an appreciation of the rich cuisine that it refers to there.
In Middle Eastern culture and languages, kebab doesn't necessarily indicate the use of skewers. If we take the English language usage to define the articles' topic, or the world-wide meaning of kebab, then it becomes very difficult to talk about things like köfte kebab. Köfte kebab is one of the most popular types of kebabs around the world, and though it may be cooked on a skewer - then called şiş köfte in Turkey - it's often cooked directly on a grill, similar to a hamburger. This is very common in Turkey, Bulgaria, Israel, and many other countries.
To illustrate this, I added the photo of the "British Asian style barbeque" at the top of the kebab article, with the additional comment: Note that the meat patties are described as "kebabs", while the vegetable skewers are not, which you've removed with the comment "flat untrue". But the original photographer described it as "...chicken kebabs...and an assortment of vegetables". The photograph is quite clear, the skewers contain only the "assortment of vegetables", while the described "chicken kebabs" can only refer to the meat patties, which are a type of köfte kebab. This is completely in keeping with the way the terms are used in their native Western Asia. In the Turkish and Persian kitchens for example, with the possible exception of shashlik, vegetables are usually cooked on separate skewers, because of the different cooking times. They are not called kebabs. The term kebab specifically refers to grilled meat dishes. So I believe my note is correct, at least in terms of how the people cooking the meal described it.
I've added some further explanation about what I've been working towards in Talk:Kebab#disambiguation and improvement, if you care to have a look.
Sorry if I'm telling you things you already know. I'm not an expert and I still have much to learn about the subject. I hope we can come to an understanding, so that we're not working at cross-purposes.
Cheers! IamNotU (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think the caption to that photo is complete crap, frankly. It shows exactly the basic British barbeque foods (minus pork sausages, admittedly) - the only "British Asian" thing might be the arms of the chef. It shows vegetable kebabs, chicken thighs (clearly not wings), beefburgers, and the American import of sweetcorn. It is exactly what I and most unambitious British barbequers cook! I am entirely sympathetic to your aims, but not necessarilly the edits you make. Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Fair enough, obviously I have no real information about the source of that photo. I'll try to find something better, thanks for pointing it out. I'm having some difficulty with how to present the kebab article that's both about the English loanword, meaning all kinds of food cooked exclusively on small skewers - or, döner kebab - and at the same time about the term used throughout the Muslim world cuisine, which includes meat patties grilled without skewers, things cooked on large swords, and even things that are more like a stew. It's particularly difficult to deal with the ongoing edit war over the inclusion of ancient Greek dishes in the history section, "because they're meat cooked on a skewer". I'd like to see the kebab article be primarily about the latter usage, with the English usage redirected to shish kebab and döner kebab, and dealt with there. That seems to be the most appropriate. If you have any suggestions, I'm happy to hear them. IamNotU (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think you just have to set it out as it is, at some length, and risking confusion. Pudding has similar issues. You may need to be careful to avoid giving the impression that there is no graspable subject at all. I don't really agree about your split - shish kebab is too specific in British English I think, and doner kebab too. Johnbod (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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