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Looking for help!!
Hey Y'all,
I started a page and need help editing and adding to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lawson_v._Commonwealth_(1942)
Haaland v. Brackeen
I've expanded this article to reflect the 5th Circuit panel and en banc opinions, and submitted a GAN on it. If anyone could take a look, I would be appreciative. GregJackP Boomer! 08:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Russian Fake News Laws
The article Russia fake news law should be renamed and splitted. There are too many "fake news" laws in Russia. Let me list some of these legal acts:
- the Federal Law of 18 March 2019 №31-FZ allowing Roskomnadzor to block the access to any online media in case of revealing a "unreliable news".
- the Federal Law of 1 April 2020 №100-FZ that criminalized a dissemination of unreliable information about circumstances that threat to life and health of a citizens including epidemic, natural and technological disasters, emergency, and measures to ensure the security.
- the Federal Laws of 4 March 2022 №31-FZ and of 4 March 2022 №32-FZ that criminalized the dissemination of unreliable information (any information from non-governmental sources) about the use of Russian Armed Forces, and the discrediting of Russian Armed Forces and its operations, including the calls for prevention of the use of Russian Armed Forces for interests of Russian Federation.
To avoid confusion, I suggest the following:
- to rename the article Russia fake news law into "Russian 2019 Fake News Law" devoted to the Federal Law of 18 March 2019 №31-FZ
- to move the section "New law" of the article Russia fake news law into separate article "Russian 2022 Laws Prohibiting Anti-War Statements and Establishing War Censorship" devoted to the Federal Laws of 4 March 2022 №31-FZ and of 4 March 2022 №32-FZ
- to create the article "Russian 2020 COVID-19 Fake News Law" devoted to the Federal Law of 1 April 2020 №100-FZ
Something like this. K8M8S8 (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
"Juris Doctorate" vs "Juris Doctor"
I first noticed an IP changing "Juris Doctorate" vs "Juris Doctor" on this article. The source used in the article says "Juris Doctorate", so I changed it back to match the source (and it redirects to Juris Doctor, anyway) per WP:NOTBROKEN. Today, I noticed that that IP (2601:205:3:dee2::/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is apparently on a mission to change all instances of "Juris Doctorate" to "Juris Doctor" with their latest edit summaries of I have changed Juris Doctorate to Juris Doctor. The actual name of the degree in Latin is Juris Doctor. Juris is Latin (with no exact English equivalent, “Jurisprudence” and “Law” both being inexact translations of Juris). Doctor is both Latin and English, and Doctorate is English. There is no therefore such degree as the Juris Doctorate. Using this term is like referring to an Artium Baccalaurens or Bachelor of Arts as a Baccalaureus of Arts
. I really don't care either way and I don't really know the difference, either, so I'd thought I'd ask the experts here to weigh in. Thanks. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 16:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Both are correct. My law degree from Texas A&M is a Juris Doctor. However, the Board of Law Examiners, who give the bar exam, require a "Certification of Juris Doctorate Decree" in order for someone to sit for the bar. I would change it back and make him seek consensus. GregJackP Boomer! 17:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Also pinging Edwardx as it seems he has reverted a few of the IP's edits. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, Michigan Law, from which the honorable gentleman is a graduate, calls its JD program "Juris Doctor" [1] and its Office of Career Planning specifically recommends against the use of "Juris Doctorate" [2]. JBchrch talk 18:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- My principal reason for reverting "Juris Doctor" to "juris doctorate" was the issue with capitalisation, in line MOS:JOBTITLES. Thinking about the global context, "juris doctor" seems rather American. In the UK, we have LLB and LLM, rather than JD degrees. A JD degree is NOT a doctorate, and is closer to a master's level degree. I think "juris doctor" might be somewhat misleading in any event to those not familiar with the law degree system in countries where it is the standard law degree. Yet, "juris doctorate" risks being even more misleading, as it is not at a PhD or DPhil level. Perhaps "juris doctor degree"? Edwardx (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Edwardx I don't really understand what's the connection to JOBTITLES, but that's beyond the point. To reach consensus, we could draw from one of the standard languages used in the biographies of US Senators and write
Sifton earned a J.D. degree from the University of Michigan Law School in 1999
. However, I should point out that the use of "Juris Doctor" is very widespread on the project, and also that it's the actual name of the degree all around the US, and completely accepted in the mainstream, such that the risk of confusion is extremely low. (Just like PhDs are not necessarily about philosophy for instance.) JBchrch talk 19:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)- JBchrch A search for "J.D. degree" returns 1,764 results (i.e. it is widely used here), and I agree that that or "JD degree" seems to be the best formulation. And it neatly sidesteps the doctor/doctorate issue. Edwardx (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Juris Doctor is the far more frequently used term outside the US (Canada, Australia etc). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- JBchrch A search for "J.D. degree" returns 1,764 results (i.e. it is widely used here), and I agree that that or "JD degree" seems to be the best formulation. And it neatly sidesteps the doctor/doctorate issue. Edwardx (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Edwardx I don't really understand what's the connection to JOBTITLES, but that's beyond the point. To reach consensus, we could draw from one of the standard languages used in the biographies of US Senators and write
- My principal reason for reverting "Juris Doctor" to "juris doctorate" was the issue with capitalisation, in line MOS:JOBTITLES. Thinking about the global context, "juris doctor" seems rather American. In the UK, we have LLB and LLM, rather than JD degrees. A JD degree is NOT a doctorate, and is closer to a master's level degree. I think "juris doctor" might be somewhat misleading in any event to those not familiar with the law degree system in countries where it is the standard law degree. Yet, "juris doctorate" risks being even more misleading, as it is not at a PhD or DPhil level. Perhaps "juris doctor degree"? Edwardx (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
2601:205:3:DEE2:644E:4912:DCAF:5DA8 (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC) https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ous/international/usnei/us/professional.doc&usg=AOvVaw3rCX_P2vOuNHuTFyV6ogmf "The U.S. Department of Education’s National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) discontinued use of the term 'First Professional Degree' as of its 2010-11 data collection. For the Doctor degrees referenced below, NCES now uses the term 'Doctor's degree-professional practice.' ... Doctor of Audiology (Au.D.) Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C. or D.C.M.) Doctor of Dental Science (D.D.S.) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (D.M.D.) Doctor of Jurisprudence or Juris Doctor (J.D.) Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) Doctor of Optometry (O.D.) Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine/Osteopathy (D.O.) Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm.D.) Doctor of Physical Therapy (D.P.T.) Doctor of Podiatric Medicine/Podiatry (D.P.M., D.P., or Pod.D.) ... Doctor of Veterinary Medicine (D.V.M.)"
2601:205:3:DEE2:644E:4912:DCAF:5DA8 (talk) 17:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)"A JD degree is NOT a doctorate, and is closer to a master's level degree." Indeed, most people use the term "doctorate" to refer to research doctor's degrees. However, as the lengthy quotation above indicates, the United States government now classifies D.D.S., J.D., M.D., and other professional degrees with Doctor in their name as "Doctor's degree-professional practice," in contrast to "Doctor’s degree-research/scholarship." https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/report-your-data/data-tip-sheet-reporting-graduate-awards These professional doctor's degrees take longer than a Masters, but take less time than Ph.D., and might be thought of as lesser doctor's degrees.
Requested move at Talk:Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956#Requested move 10 March 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956#Requested move 10 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 02:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Please improve Steele dossier#Litigation
At Steele dossier#Litigation we seek to document various lawsuits related to the dossier, its author Christopher Steele, and other entities. It would be nice if legal experts could improve this content, for example by adding the correct numbers for each case, making things chronological, and making other improvements.
The latest case has not been added: Donald Trump sues Hillary Clinton over 2016 Russian collusion allegations. -- Valjean (talk) 14:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Cant remember the name
What's the term for the right of the state to sue in defense of its citizens (e.g. against criminals) as a protector/"father" of them? I can't remember and it's annoying me to have it on the tip of my tongue. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 20:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- @A. C. Santacruz: Parens patriae? Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you Extraordinary Writ! A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 21:54, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Merge proposal notice
An editor has requested for General assignment to be merged into Assignment (law). Since you had some involvement with General assignment or Assignment (law), you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so). SpuriousCorrelation 22:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
FLRC for List of Computer Criminals
I have nominated List of computer criminals for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 18:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Free license#undefined
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Free license#undefined that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. signed, 511KeV (talk) 07:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Disambiguation links to Civil law
Could you help to disambiguate some of the 38 links to Civil law shown in this list. I think most should either go to Civil law (common law) or Civil law (legal system) but I am not expert enough to know which.— Rod talk 17:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Russian war crimes
A move of Russian war crimes ⟶ Russian war crimes and crimes against humanity has been proposed. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Russian war crimes#Requested move 6 April 2022. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Annexation of the Jordan Valley#Requested move 23 March 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Annexation of the Jordan Valley#Requested move 23 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
FAR for Accurate News and Information Act
I have nominated Accurate News and Information Act for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Help needed at ongoing trial article!
’’Depp v Heard’’, a new article on an ongoing, highly publicized trial in VA, US needs input from editors. In particular, what is needed is help in defining the legal arguments and for general editing related to the evidence heard in trial and other ongoing developments. Thank you! TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 09:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Use of force by states#Requested move 10 March 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Use of force by states#Requested move 10 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 13:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Law on Elimination of Sexual Violence#Requested move 12 April 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Law on Elimination of Sexual Violence#Requested move 12 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Notice of RfC on Marcelo Kohen
Hello everyone. RfC available for comment for Marcelo Kohen (Professor of International Law at IHEID Geneva and Secretary-General of the Institut de Droit International, the oldest international law association and Nobel Peace Prize winner in 1904), for whom surprisingly there was no Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Marcelo_Kohen
Thank you!
--Pugliese23 (talk) 13:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
United States v. Munsingwear, Inc.
Good opportunity to expand from a redirect, if anyone is interested. Getting some coverage right now based on the mask mandate court action in the US. [3] « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Discussion started at Template talk:English law#"Related systems"
I have started the above-noted discussion to move the countries in "Related systems" to their own separate template box for common law countries (which I think is a better descriptor than "related systems" to English law. This was prompted by a discussion at Talk:Law of Canada. Singularity42 (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Covered entities and anti-discrimination law
One of my (many ;-)
) pet peeves is people claiming that their HIPPA rights have been violated by family members blabbing about their medical information or friends asking whether they've been vaccinated against COVID.
I have been hearing similar lines of error around Anti-discrimination law during the last couple of years. People want to have Caste covered by US discrimination laws, because (the example I heard most recently) some low-status people have been asked not to touch the food at a dinner party. Under US law, that would still be legal (unless it was an employment-related event and not actually a party). I've heard similar errors about LBGTQ efforts (e.g., that when same-sex marriage became legal, then bigoted neighbors would no longer reject them).
What I haven't been able to find is a decent source that explains this wrt to discrimination law. These laws prevent (in the US, anyway) the government, your employer, your bank, and a few others from engaging in certain forms of discrimination. They don't (in the US, at least) make your neighbor invite you to their private parties or be a basically decent human being. Can anyone find such a source? WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:56, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing Are you looking for something about strictly American law or something more global/comparative? Just as a note—if you're looking at American law perhaps the keyword "civil rights" will give you more hits than "discrimination". JBchrch talk 14:29, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'd much rather have something global/comparative, but I'm willing to settle for US law if we can't find something better. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing, we have an article on Public accommodations in the United States, which I think is basically what you're looking for: the idea that discrimination laws generally apply only to facilities that serve the public. This article in The Atlantic might be also helpful; it notes that "No law, state or federal, forbids 'discrimination' generally....Any type of private discrimination is legal unless a state or federal law specifically forbids it. Civil-rights laws prohibit discrimination on certain grounds, and they specify what activities they apply to. The most common areas of civil-rights protections are employment, housing, and 'public accommodations,' which refers to places like hotels and restaurants." I'm not terribly familiar with other countries' civil rights laws, so perhaps someone can weigh in on that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've read that article in The Atlantic twice now, and I am so happy that you told me about it. Thank you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing, we have an article on Public accommodations in the United States, which I think is basically what you're looking for: the idea that discrimination laws generally apply only to facilities that serve the public. This article in The Atlantic might be also helpful; it notes that "No law, state or federal, forbids 'discrimination' generally....Any type of private discrimination is legal unless a state or federal law specifically forbids it. Civil-rights laws prohibit discrimination on certain grounds, and they specify what activities they apply to. The most common areas of civil-rights protections are employment, housing, and 'public accommodations,' which refers to places like hotels and restaurants." I'm not terribly familiar with other countries' civil rights laws, so perhaps someone can weigh in on that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'd much rather have something global/comparative, but I'm willing to settle for US law if we can't find something better. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Taking Griswold v. Connecticut to GA?
Hi! Seeing as how it will be nonstop discussed in global journalism and political races in the US, I was wondering if there were editors interested in taking this article to GA level. The more informed the public debate on this issue the better the decisions that will be taken. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 07:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'd be interested. My time varies wildly based on work but I've been looking to take a legal article to GA for a bit now. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
The Precedent article needs more citations
Stare decisis redirects to the Precedent article. The news coverage of the release of a US Supreme Court draft decision apparently reversing Roe v. Wade will draw a lot of attention to stare decisis & I expect we will now get a lot of traffic to the article. Although I often concentrate on improving citations, I am personally unknowledgeable about law & legal sources. I am hoping to prevail upon WP:LAW members to help remedy this situation.
@Hairy Dude: you were the one to place the {{refimprove}} template. Do you have anything to add? Peaceray (talk) 16:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Analysis of leaked abortion case opinion
Is it appropriate to add details on reactions to content of the leaked Dobbs opinion beyond the President and nation-wide protests? Please respond at Talk:Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization#Gertner-Reinstein opinion. -- Beland (talk) 01:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
LegalShield COI edit requests
Hi! I've posted some COI edit requests at Talk:LegalShield. Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! JZindler (talk) 19:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Category:Establishment Clause case law
Hi, simple question for the attorneys here: what is the requirement for this category? For example, I’m not sure all the cases in Category:Ten Commandments are also members of Establishment Clause case law. Is it okay to add them or does this category have specific requirements? Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Merge
Should legal status be merged into legality? Are they the same subject? The legal status feels like a WP:PERMASTUB to me. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- While it may always be a short article, it has it's own meaning and should probably stand independent. I'll see what I can add. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Alyo Thanks! PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
False statement in defamation
When referring to the article False statement I was curious to find no content on Defamation despite this article saying that: Defamation is the communication of a false statement... Could any of you legal brains that understand this stuff have a look at this? GregKaye 12:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Changes to Mental Health Act 1983
Hey. I've been making some changes to Mental Health Act 1983. This has mostly consisted of:
- Adding tables summarizing different sections or holding periods.
- Adding information about informal patients / voluntary patients
- Linking to relevant case law.
More generally, my aim is to add information relevant to:
- the individual who is incorrectly or marginally coerced or controlled through the act.
- the individual who risks long term harm as a result of others use of the act, or threats based upon it
I am aware of some stylistic tensions here. So I'm giving people a heads up here if they would like to provide feedback. Talpedia (talk) 11:08, 3 June 2022 (UTC)