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Contents
- 1 International goals
- 2 Days of Our Lives and The Young and the Restless
- 3 Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon
- 4 Edits on Rainwater harvesting page
- 5 Lily Allen - It's Not Me, It's You
- 6 My RfA
- 7 Tense for fiction
- 8 Greece national football team - WP:RfC
- 9 confusing reference
- 10 Problems with my edits
- 11 Haggen Food & Pharmacy
- 12 Template
- 13 YoSoyUnHamster
- 14 Removing my question
- 15 The 142 IP report is already closed so I can't comment on it...
- 16 Gracie Dzienny
- 17 IJBall/NOTQUITEYET
- 18 Regarding your draft
- 19 2015 Tianjin explosion
- 20 "Unnecessary" revert on Girl Meets World
- 21 Hello
- 22 ANI
- 23 Talkback
- 24 Kill List (Scream)
International goals
I believe the discussion being cited on other articles can be found here. Cheers. – PeeJay 18:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Days of Our Lives and The Young and the Restless
While I do like that you found more milestone episodes, shouldn't we use third-party sourcing over first-party, as that is more reliable as a source than a first-party is? Especially since both milestones previously sourced were covered by third-parties, while the more recent ones were only found on the network websites. I did not want to revert, out of respect for you as an editor, and would rather discuss it amicably. livelikemusic my talk page! 21:22, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is one of those issues that divides Wiki editors – I'm in the camp that's much more forgiving of Primary sources on stuff like this; other editors will insist that only Secondary sources can be used for stuff like this. While I wouldn't be particularly put out if my updated numbers for DOOL and Y&R are reverted, what I think maybe can be done first is to see if a secondary source can be found, now that we have the exact dates for the airing of those episodes. I think I'll take a few minutes and see if I can make any progress with that... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- As someone who has followed soaps for many years, I cannot remember to my recollection anyone reporting about the mid-milestones past the major 12k and 10k, retrospectively. And I feel as if secondary and third-party would be more qualified; I would normally agree with first-party, but we have non-first as available sources, etc. livelikemusic my talk page! 21:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm having no luck finding secondary sources for these (I'm somewhat surprised that I can't find one for DOOL's 12,500; I'm much less surprised about the lack for Y&R's 10,500). Anyway, feel free to revert, if you feel it's warranted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Bigger milestones are more celebrated in the daytime community; such as when The Bold and the Beautiful reached 7k or when General Hospital reached 13k. And I believe it's only because they air, for the most part, on a five days per week schedule. livelikemusic my talk page! 21:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm having no luck finding secondary sources for these (I'm somewhat surprised that I can't find one for DOOL's 12,500; I'm much less surprised about the lack for Y&R's 10,500). Anyway, feel free to revert, if you feel it's warranted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- As someone who has followed soaps for many years, I cannot remember to my recollection anyone reporting about the mid-milestones past the major 12k and 10k, retrospectively. And I feel as if secondary and third-party would be more qualified; I would normally agree with first-party, but we have non-first as available sources, etc. livelikemusic my talk page! 21:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon
Can you help with Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon? putting their names into news.google.com got a lot of results. Paul Austin (talk) 21:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've done some super quick "clean up" on that one. But I'm sorry to say that I'm likely to be busy for the next week, so I can't put a whole lot of time into fleshing that one out. I'll try to remember to take a look at it when I can... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:13, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- That's fine. I look forward to your help. The Ratcliffe-Gordon disappearance was to thee people of South Australia in the 1970s what the Beaumont children disappearance had been to them in the 1960s. Paul Austin (talk) 07:04, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Edits on Rainwater harvesting page
Hi, I noticed my edits on the Rainwater harvesting page were removed. I had added several links to the page because there was no instruction on how to exactly do rainwater harvesting, so I am not sure what you mean when you say, "you thought it was overkill'. Where else is there rainwater harvesting guidelines? It seems important to include this information on this page, and the previous Wikipedia editor BGwhite, had no problem with me putting it into the External Links area, as that was his suggestion. Do you have any other suggestion on how to include the links on the page? Thank you. --Winona (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hello Winona. Yeah, I made that reversion as as a Pending changes reviewer (I don't normally frequent that article). In any case, you might want to review Wikipedia:External links and its associated guidelines on External links, if you haven't already. In general, only a few external links are usually listed at an article. When editors start to see half-a-dozen or more, most will think that's too many EL's, and start to think about trimming them... Now, all that said, I would advise starting a discussion at Talk:Rainwater harvesting about this – if the general consensus among editors there is that your EL additions are fine, then that's maybe all that matters. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:28, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks IJBall, sorry for the delayed reply. That makes more sense. I think it should have it's own section, but the section in Wikiversity is so huge that I can only put links in the Wikipedia article. But maybe the editors have some ideas. I will start a discussion on the Talk page. Thanks again. --Winona (talk) 02:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Lily Allen - It's Not Me, It's You
sorry, I should have explained why I took the sales of the United States, for me it was unnecessary certification table being the United States, as the album did not sell enough to have a certification. I will stop taking references and don't explain why --Felipeedit (talk) 2:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
My RfA
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Thank for !voting at my recent RfA. You voted Neutral so you get a reasonable two cookies, just cooling off. |
- FWIW, I think I might be inclined to "support" next time you try for an RfA – I'm not sure many of your "opposes" seemed very fair to me... I think the biggest remaining issue is the ArbCom sanctions – I dunno if those are still in effect, but if they are, getting them removed or vacated (on appeal) would, I think, cinch any future RfA in your favor. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Tense for fiction
Hey there, fiction is written about in the present tense per WP:FICTENSE, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas#Tense explains the practice pretty well.— TAnthonyTalk 14:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Huh. OK. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Just realised I came off like a pompous ass with my simple edit history comment of, "Go to this page and post your questions..." For what it's worth, I wrote that to be short and then came here to respond in detail but, saw that TAnthony already had so dropped it as done. In thinking about it now, I should have still said something 'cause I sounded like a dick the way I left it. Sorry about that, that really wasn't my intention.Cebr1979 (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- No prob!
And I want thank you guys for your answers – at least I know the guideline reasons for the present tense thing (even if I'm not sure I 100% agree with it...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)wish it
- No prob!
- Just realised I came off like a pompous ass with my simple edit history comment of, "Go to this page and post your questions..." For what it's worth, I wrote that to be short and then came here to respond in detail but, saw that TAnthony already had so dropped it as done. In thinking about it now, I should have still said something 'cause I sounded like a dick the way I left it. Sorry about that, that really wasn't my intention.Cebr1979 (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Greece national football team - WP:RfC
Hello, IJBall, first of all I'd like to thank you for your input. What should I do to start a WP:RfC, could you help me with the procedure? My ultimate goal is to involve as many people as possible. There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority will go for the obvious, for the self-evident. The fact alone that we're losing our time to discuss such an "issue" really sends me over the edge. Anyway, I'd really appreciate your help man. Gtrbolivar (talk) 03:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Gtrbolivar: I think I'd hold off on launching an RfC for now – I would see what happens at ANI first. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Ok, I'll wait, although I seriously doubt that there's gonna be any serious development in ANI. Anyway, thanks IJBall, I'm looking forward to your suggestions. Gtrbolivar (talk) 03:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- PS: I read your comment about the drachma and I assure you that right now, a possible return to the drachma would send Greece back to the Bronze Age in a blink of an eye. Gtrbolivar (talk) 03:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
That is not for consensus. The logo of the shirt has not official sources. We don't use logos in the infoboxes, who are not published by the responsible national football federations. Poland national football team article has not the kit crest ([1]) in the infobox. That we follow in en:wiki. --IM-yb (talk) 13:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- You absolutely don't understand how Wikipedia is supposed to work. At this point, I would gently suggest that you quit while you are ahead, because if you persist down this path, a block for disruptive editing is very possible... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
confusing reference
The citation was to a Woman's Day magazine article on the disappearance of Siriyakorn 'Bung' Siriboon in 2011. It mentioned the Joanne Ratcliffe-Kirste Gordon disappearance in a postscript. Paul Austin (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- Paul, thanks for the info. I would suggest that this be made clearer in the citation itself (perhaps using a "quote") – it might also be better if it's converted to using the {{cite journal}} template for referencing. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Problems with my edits
How can I know an edit is "unnecessary" until someone tells me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JIK1975 (talk • contribs) 00:48, July 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Hello JIK1975. Others did try to tell you this before, but they probably weren't as clear about it as I was. In any case, now that you know about WP:NOTBROKEN edits being unnecessary, I hope you'll continue editing, but focusing on other things in articles that need fixing. Thanks for contacting me! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- JIK1975 now clearly knows what he's not supposed to do, but that hasn't even slowed him down. He just keeps on going. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (LOLTNA) 20:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Ribbon Salminen: boy, I don't know what to do now. I'm not an Admin, so there's nothing I can really do on my end... I think the next step is to contact an Admin about this: I'd try User:Chillum (or use another Admin if you know them better). Please feel free to mention my name, and definitely link to the relevant ANI thread: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive893#User: JIK1975 when you contact Chillum or whichever Admin you choose. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- JIK1975 now clearly knows what he's not supposed to do, but that hasn't even slowed him down. He just keeps on going. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (LOLTNA) 20:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Haggen Food & Pharmacy
That was an odd case. On its face, it looked like a promotional account trying to replace the original neutral text of the article with promotional text. That is a common problem, and does need to be dealt with. However, in checking the history of the editor, it appears that they were also engaging in unrelated vandalism. That doesn't make sense. A promotional editor is usually just trying to do one thing, insert promotional material, knowing that vandalism will wind up with a block. It was an odd case. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, no idea what was going on here. I just know it wasn't good...
--IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Template
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View the code in edit mode to see line breaks. --NeilN talk to me 20:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Sweet! Thank you!! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
YoSoyUnHamster
ElEsUnTroll, I should think. Bishonen | talk 22:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC).
- Oh, yes, very likely, I agree. But I figured I'd suss them out to see what comes of it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Removing my question
Hi, I'm ready to remove my question and vote. Do you mind if I remove your response along with it? Manul ~ talk 03:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The 142 IP report is already closed so I can't comment on it...
...but thank you for moving it to the RFPP page. Cebr1979 (talk) 02:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- No prob! Luckily, the DOOL cast article is one of the ones I pay particular attention when it pops up in the "articles to review" list, so if anything else weird happens there, I should probably see it. But, if I don't, you can always drop me a line if you need help with it... I think it'll probably be quieter there now over the next month. Let's hope! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Gracie Dzienny
Whether or not he agrees to unsalt, an admin with more time on his hands might even email you copies of the previous deletions. You only have to ask. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
- Kudpung, thanks for the note. I'm in the process of trying to track down the previous AfD discussion on this... I will say, I think enough has changed since 2012 that she should at least easily clear WP:A7... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
IJBall/NOTQUITEYET
Did you mean to put it under User:IJBall/NOTQUITEYET? Sorry if I'm wrong.
03:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yep! Totally stupid!! I'm attempting to get it {{db-move}}'ed to get it moved to the correct page location!... ARGH!!
--IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Deleted. --NeilN talk to me 03:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- And moved User:IJBall/NOTQUITEYET --NeilN talk to me 03:29, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Regarding your draft
Hi IJBall! While going through your draft concerning Peyton Mayor I noticed something odd. In the first sentence it states that he is born from Las Vegas, Nevada. Shouldn't it be just "from Las Vegas"? Or you could just say that he is born in Las Vegas, Nevada.-- Chamith (talk) 15:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Heh. Good catch! I'll fix that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
2015 Tianjin explosion
please do fix the dates if they are wrong, but don't revert my wording changes, which were solely to the text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medeis (talk • contribs) 00:21, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
- I really felt I had no choice on that, as you changed the reference date formats in the same edit that you made the copyedits, and there was no simple way to pick out the ref date fixes from the rest. Also, I wanted to get the point across that those dates shouldn't be changed. I'm actually still puzzled why you changed the dates (and changed a 'cite news' to a 'cite web') when you must know that doing either is just not correct. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
"Unnecessary" revert on Girl Meets World
What was the point of this? As far as I can see, the anon only made some stylistic changes to the wikicode. Reverting it is what was unnecessary. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It was unnecessary removal of spacing – I would reverted any editor for an edit like that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It was for consistency with the rest of the article. Reverting an edit like that is completely pointless and just clutters the history. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, that's your opinion. I disagree. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It was for consistency with the rest of the article. Reverting an edit like that is completely pointless and just clutters the history. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello
If you want to complain over Landry Bender's article, then should you complain about the entire Wikipedia database as Many, Many, Many, Many, Many, Many articles feature "rowspan". You better get to work and remove them. :) --ACase0000 (talk) 02:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi @ACase0000: I just want to let you know that the whole 'rowspan' issue use in WP:FILMOGRAPHY tables is a complex affair that has a prior history associated with it – basically, WP:FILMOGRAPHY firmly disallowed 'rowspan' use until just recently. And you are correct that some FILMOGRAPHY tables do use them (though none of them should use 'rowspan' outside of the 'Year' column, for reasons I'll explain below). But the broader issue here, and the original reason that 'rowspan' use wasn't allowed is that visually-impaired readers who use "text-to-speech" to read Wikipedia have a much tougher time reading these tables when 'rowspan' is used. So, the issue here that "it looks better" is not a good enough reason to effectively discriminate against some of our site's readership (i.e. "local consensus cannot overrule "site policy", of which WP:ACCESSIBILITY is one), and it would be better if the WP:FILMOGRAPHY guideline went back to not allowing the use of 'rowspan' at all on WP:ACCESSIBILITY grounds. Anyway, that's the full explanation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I understand completely. Sorry for any trouble. :( --ACase0000 (talk) 04:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- No trouble. It's just a bit of a frustration that the WP:ACCESSIBILITY portion of this 'rowspan' discussion hasn't been widely disseminated... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I understand completely. Sorry for any trouble. :( --ACase0000 (talk) 04:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
ANI
What, in your estimation, caused you to close this, especially prior to a 24-hour lapse on the last comment? I furthermore don't appreciate the insinuation that I "ran to ANI" because of a controversial edit. I went to ANI because a combative editor displaying ownership tendencies on an article refactored my signature on a talk page and directly addressed me by the name of the article topic. It's technically impossible to do what was done without deliberate intent, and I really don't appreciate your belittling it in your closure. Controversial editing had nothing to do with it, and the editor freely admitted that he is so obsessed with this article that he's losing sleep over it! In short, if you're not going to read a thread, don't close it, and keep your moralizing to yourself when you do. You're not an admin, so don't cop an attitude like one. MSJapan (talk) 03:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- MSJapan, people do make mistakes like what apparently happened to you here, so it is not true to imply that it never happens. Second, you made no attempt to contact the editor who made the mistake at their Talk page first – and ask if it was a mistake or deliberate – before coming to ANI. That is generally an approach that's frowned upon. This would not be the first time that someone misinterpreted what happened to them on a Talk page, and I'm not the only who thought the same when they looked at your ANI report. P.S. I did do some investigating before closing. But it was clear to me that an Admin was not going to act on it. And the editor you accused on this apologized. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 06:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC). You can at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Kill List (Scream)
What was your issue with the kill list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.209.50.225 (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- I clearly explained what my problem with the list was at Talk:Scream (TV series) – basically, this is Wikipedia, not a Wikia, and the inclusion of something like that is inappropriate in an encyclopedia. Bottom line: You need to get consensus for the inclusion of that, so I'd work on trying to convince people at the Talk page. But I think it's going to be an uphill climb. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)