Contents
- 1 Something different: swimming world record template
- 2 Editnotice edit requests
- 3 Athenry railway station
- 4 template islam
- 5 Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Chinese
- 6 Alleged TfD outcome
- 7 Infobox substitution
- 8 Infobox Greek Dimos
- 9 Countries : Kosovo and Northern Cyprus
- 10 No consensus closes against vast majorities
- 11 WP:Swimming auto-archive function
- 12 You're incorrect
- 13 Overnight
- 14 PD gone
- 15 General Growth Properties infobox
- 16 Help with Rep. Tom Graves?
- 17 Katie Ledecky
- 18 Dumb question
- 19 Sortname
- 20 Extended content on Bot requsts page
- 21 Module:Location map/data/North Nicosia
- 22 Carl Nielsen works
- 23 Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
Something different: swimming world record template
Hey. When you're looking for something entirely different to do, take a look a the different templates employed for this family of articles: Template:World records in swimming. The templates are a complete mess, with various built-in dynamic field functions. There should be one template, well-designed, that works well for all of these articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can you point to some of them? Are you referring to the tables? Alakzi (talk) 14:00, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Template:swimmingrecord
- Template:Swimmingrecordrelay
- Template:Swimmingrecordlisttop
- Template:Swimmingrecordlegend
Just for fun, some of these articles use the templates, some use wikitables, and some use a mix on the same page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- For the record, I did take a look at these, but the conversion is quite tedious, so I've been putting it off. Alakzi (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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- Trust me: I know they're a mess. I didn't expect you to jump in and fix them, or create a simplified replacement overnight. I really wanted you to get a feel for what a mess they are, identify the specific problems, start contemplating ideas for how to replace them with a more logical, simplified replacement, and then discuss. Whatever we do, it's going to require a lot of manual editing to replace the existing templates (and wiki tables where used), so I want to get your best answer on the first attempt. You're not a sports guy, but you are organized and logical, so you're a good guinea pig to see if the replacement is easily intelligible to general readers, not swimming/sports fans. Of course, I am also looking for the most elegant coding solution, too.
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- These templates originally had a dynamic field built into them for the swim meet locations that (a) forced you to use the three-character country codes, (b) rendered a flag icon and linked country name for every location contrary to several MOS provisions (I mean, how many times does the United States need to be linked in the same article?), and (c) rendered an ugly display error if you left the location fields blank or tried to replace the country code in favor of linked or unlinked text. Earlier, I had Frietjes perform some surgery on them just to get rid of the redundant flag icons for meet locations.
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- As far as I know, there are a maximum of 21 world record progression articles for specific swimming events which should be using these templates. There may be, however, other uses of the templates of which I am unaware -- I need to check the template transclusions counter. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK. Are there particular aspects of {{Swimmingrecord}} you're dissatisfied with? The reason we're stuck with a parameter for every tiny thing is for column sorting to work properly. I could investigate whether some parameters could be shed or combined for ease of use. The repetition of flags and wikilinks is unfortunate, but we could probably tolerate that in a table. The templates are also used in athlete articles, where some columns are hidden - see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Swimmingrecord. Alakzi (talk) 14:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, that raises a very good question: Do these records need to be sortable? They are already in chronological order, and record times are descending. If a reader wants to find a particular swimmer, they can do that faster with their browser's keyword search function -- the date sort function only sorts to the series beginning in chronological order or the series ending in reverse chronological order; likewise the last name sort function only sorts to names beginning with A in alphabetical order, or to names beginning with Z in reverse alphabetical order. Sorting by swim meet location or event (presumably in alpha or reverse alpha order) is also not terribly useful, either. As the title suggests, these tables are most useful to illustrate the progression of the declining times of new world records over the last 90 to 100 years. I say we ditch the sortability functions for every data column -- would that simplify your possible coding solutions? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- If we ditch sorting, there's hardly any reason for these templates to exist - that is, beyond enforcing a set number of columns. I agree that we probably don't need all of the sorting possibilities of {{Swimmingrecord}}, but I imagine that's something you're gonna want to discuss with contributors to swimming lists. If it takes so much effort to accomplish something so primitive, it might be better to look for alternatives. Alakzi (talk) 15:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the templates do provide (1) a structure and (2) a measure of uniformity, which is not unimportant. The template creator has not edited in three years, and the current biggest consumer is a German editor who is grinding out incomplete national record sets for African countries (the least competitive region in world swimming). But my new favorite is the List of Burmese national records in swimming, which -- surprise! -- has a Myanmar/Burmese flag for every Burmese national record in swimming. LOL Given that something like 400 articles appear to be using these templates, ditching them and starting over does not seem to be a realistic option, inasmuch as every article includes multiple uses of the templates. I'm going to think on this some more; when you get bored with whatever else your working on, contemplate your ideal template solution (minus the unnecessary sort functions) for these tables. I can see now why someone just gave up and formatted several of the world record progression articles with wikitable coding: it was simpler. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- If we ditch sorting, there's hardly any reason for these templates to exist - that is, beyond enforcing a set number of columns. I agree that we probably don't need all of the sorting possibilities of {{Swimmingrecord}}, but I imagine that's something you're gonna want to discuss with contributors to swimming lists. If it takes so much effort to accomplish something so primitive, it might be better to look for alternatives. Alakzi (talk) 15:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, that raises a very good question: Do these records need to be sortable? They are already in chronological order, and record times are descending. If a reader wants to find a particular swimmer, they can do that faster with their browser's keyword search function -- the date sort function only sorts to the series beginning in chronological order or the series ending in reverse chronological order; likewise the last name sort function only sorts to names beginning with A in alphabetical order, or to names beginning with Z in reverse alphabetical order. Sorting by swim meet location or event (presumably in alpha or reverse alpha order) is also not terribly useful, either. As the title suggests, these tables are most useful to illustrate the progression of the declining times of new world records over the last 90 to 100 years. I say we ditch the sortability functions for every data column -- would that simplify your possible coding solutions? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK. Are there particular aspects of {{Swimmingrecord}} you're dissatisfied with? The reason we're stuck with a parameter for every tiny thing is for column sorting to work properly. I could investigate whether some parameters could be shed or combined for ease of use. The repetition of flags and wikilinks is unfortunate, but we could probably tolerate that in a table. The templates are also used in athlete articles, where some columns are hidden - see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Swimmingrecord. Alakzi (talk) 14:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- As far as I know, there are a maximum of 21 world record progression articles for specific swimming events which should be using these templates. There may be, however, other uses of the templates of which I am unaware -- I need to check the template transclusions counter. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Editnotice edit requests
Rather than faffing around with individual edit requests for each one, can you make that same edit from <tt>...</tt>
into {{mono}} on:
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Account creator
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/File mover
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Template editor (two on here)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Pending changes reviewer (two here as well)
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- Thanks! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- Done - thanks for digging these up. Alakzi (talk) 18:31, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Athenry railway station
Instead of blindly hitting the Revert button, why didn't you actually look at the edit? If you notice, there was already a mixture of [[Xxx railway station|Xxx]]
and {{stnlnk|Xxx}}
in the body of the article. Also, the WP:RDT was renamed (from a redirect) and moved to the standard position in station articles (immediately following the Infobox). And let’s not get started on {{IERail start}}. Besides the obvious that it should be merged into the standard {{S-line}} — now there’s something useful for you to do — hard-coded colour values were replaced with calls to {{IrishRail Color}}.
And just for good measure, so nobody can say that I didn’t give fair warning:
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Athenry railway station.
Useddenim (talk) 14:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- PS: Also replaced
<small>…</small>
with{{small|…}}
in the succession box. Useddenim (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
template islam
read the names in template documentation, they are copied from Shia template and these names are Wrong..that's it! Stop protecting an incorrectly prepared template 68.100.166.227 (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Murji'ah
This is NOT a denomination but theology school!! It's incorrectly placed.. Then where are Maturidi & Mu'tazili? Murji'ah is something like Mu'tazili, Maturidi, and Ash'ari. 68.100.166.227 (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- I've practically got no knowledge of Islam; the first I touched the template was when I responded to your edit request, which concerned a technical aspect of it. Please contact somebody who edits Islam articles regularly. Looking at the page history, Dougweller might be able to help. Alakzi (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Hide-Show Option
This switch is missing:
<!--NEEDS the following <includeonly>{{Sidebar with collapsible lists | name = Islam | bodyclass = collapsible {{#if:{{{collapsed|}}}|collapsed}} | titlestyle = font-size:88%; line-height:200%; | title = [[File:Basmala.svg|200px|Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim]] {{resize|115%|{{nobold|Part of [[:Category:Islam|a series]] on [[Islam]]}}}} <br />{{resize|165%|[[Islam]]}} --> 68.100.166.227 (talk) 22:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- It defaults to collapsed; you can use
{{Islam|expanded=all}}
to the same effect. Alakzi (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
But the following form <!-- {{Islam|collapsed=1}} --> is not working.. All template should collapse if you introduce the following: <!-- <includeonly>{{Sidebar with collapsible lists | name = Islam | bodyclass = collapsible {{#if:{{{collapsed|}}}|collapsed}} | titlestyle = font-size:88%; line-height:200%; | title = [[File:Basmala.svg|200px|Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim]] {{resize|115%|{{nobold|Part of [[:Category:Islam|a series]] on [[Islam]]}}}} --> on top Like Sunnni, Shia, Ismaili templates. 68.100.166.227 (talk) 22:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- Right, but if I do what you ask, the template will default to expanded, which other people might object to. Alakzi (talk) 22:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- No that's not right, you can compare with Sunnni Islam, Shia Islam, Ismailism, and Druze Templates They work well
68.100.166.227 (talk) 22:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oh I see, it's a separate setting to collapse the sidebar in its entirety. Unfortunately, I'd have to move the headline below the title and alter the style in various other ways for it to work - which I don't really feel like doing right now. If you make these changes in the sandbox, I'll take a look. Alakzi (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Examples of collapsed=1 OPTION
{{Sunni Islam|collapsed=1}} {{Shia Islam|collapsed=1}} {{Ismailism|collapsed=1}} {{Druze|collapsed=1}} {{Alevism|collapsed=1}}
See it works fine 68.100.166.227 (talk) 23:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
ISLAM TEMPLATE with SHOW/HIDE options & * Murji'ah deleted
The following should work well in your template:Islam, sand box too does not allow any changes..So I put it here for your trial
Extended content |
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<includeonly>{{Sidebar with collapsible lists | name = Islam | bodyclass = collapsible {{#if:{{{collapsed|}}}|collapsed}} | titlestyle = font-size:88%; line-height:200%; | title = [[File:Basmala.svg|200px|Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim]] {{resize|115%|{{nobold|Part of [[:Category:Islam|a series]] on}}}}<br />{{resize|200%|[[Islam]]}} | image = [[File:Allah1.png|110px|"Allah" in Arabic calligraphy]] | expanded = {{{expanded|{{{selected|{{{1|}}}}}}}}} | contentclass = hlist | list1name = beliefs | list1title = [[Iman (concept)|Beliefs]] | list1 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Tawhid|Oneness]] {{small|of}} [[God in Islam|God]] {{startflatlist}} * [[Prophets and messengers in Islam|Prophets]] * [[Islamic holy books|Revealed books]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Islamic view of angels|Angels]] * [[Predestination in Islam|Predestination]] {{endflatlist}} * [[Islamic eschatology|Day of Resurrection]] {{endflatlist}} | list2name = practices | list2title = [[Five Pillars of Islam|Practices]] | list2 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Shahada|Profession of faith]] * [[Salat|Prayer]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Sawm|Fasting]] * [[Zakat|Alms]] * [[Hajj|Pilgrimage]] {{endflatlist}} | list3name = texts | list3title = [[List of Islamic texts|Texts]] and [[Sharia|laws]] | list3 = {{startflatlist}} * ''[[Quran]]'' * ''[[Sunnah]]'' * ''[[Hadith]]'' {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Sharia|''Sharia'' {{small|(law)}}]] * [[Fiqh|''Fiqh'' {{small|(jurisprudence)}}]] {{endflatlist}} * [[Ilm al-Kalam|''Kalam'' {{small|(dialectic)}}]] {{endflatlist}} | list4name = history | list4title = [[History of Islam|History]] | list4 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Timeline of Islamic history|Timeline]] * [[Muhammad in Islam|Muhammad]] {{startflatlist}} * ''[[Ahl al-Bayt]]'' * ''[[Sahabah]]'' {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * ''[[Rashidun]]'' * [[Imamah (Shia doctrine)|Imamate]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Caliphate]] * [[Spread of Islam]] {{endflatlist}} | list5name = denominations | list5title = [[Islamic schools and branches|Denominations]] | list5 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Sunni Islam|Sunni]] * [[Shia Islam|Shia]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Sufism]] * [[Ahmadiyya]] * [[Ibadi]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Quranism]] * [[Mahdavia]] {{endflatlist}} * [[Nondenominational Muslim|Nondenominational]] * [[Muwahhidism]] {{endflatlist}} | list6name = culture | list6title = [[Islamic culture|Culture]] and [[Muslim world|society]] | list6 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Islamic studies|Academics]] * [[Islam and animals|Animals]] * [[Islamic art|Art]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Islamic calendar|Calendar]] * [[Islam and children|Children]] * [[Islam by country|Demographics]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Muslim holidays|Festivals]] * [[Mosque]] * [[Islamic philosophy|Philosophy]] * [[Political aspects of Islam|Politics]] {{endflatlist}}{{startflatlist}} * [[Dawah|Proselytizing]] * [[Islam and science|Science]] * [[Women in Islam|Women]] {{endflatlist}} | list7name = related | list7title = [[:Category:Islam|Related topics]] | list7 = {{startflatlist}} * [[Criticism of Islam]] * [[Islam and other religions]] {{startflatlist}} * [[Islamism]] * [[Islamophobia]] {{endflatlist}} * [[Glossary of Islam|Glossary]] | below = * {{portal-inline|Islam|size=tiny}} }}</includeonly><noinclude> {{Documentation | content = {{Islam|all}} {{Collapsible lists option | listnames = beliefs; practices; texts; history; denominations; culture; related | example = practices }} }} [[Category:Islam templates| ]] [[Category:"Part of a series on" sidebar templates|Islam]] [[Category:Sidebar templates]] }} </noinclude> |
68.100.166.227 (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK, but is there any actual need for this? I don't see the benefit in obscuring the sidebar almost completely. Alakzi (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Answer: First, Some of the old articles had this template placed in collapsed=1-frorm because of the topic Islam was of secondary importance, and second reason: some of the articles are too short it occupies a lot of space if you put in the current form. i.e. the hide-switch is necessary..68.100.166.227 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Could you look at the page List of extinct Shia sects. There are 2 templates of secondary importance in collapsed-form since the page does not have enough space..
Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Chinese
Template:Infobox Chinese has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 10:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Alleged TfD outcome
Could you please explain how did you judge the TfD to be complete for the Multihull and Trimaran templates? It appears there was significant resistance to the idea of removing them and only one person vocally against their existence. A lot of my hard work is now deleted, I am truly saddened and demotivated. prat (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, Prat, the idea is to convert your navbox to a list in article space, thereby preserving your work in a different and more appropriate format. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, your single voice is getting tiring in that echo-chamber, and you clearly have no idea about the topic area. Why don't you stick to your 1000s of other articles instead of deleting people's hard work? It destroys the community and the spirit of Wikipedia. Have fun with your deletion spree, I quit editing in protest. prat (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- There was sufficient and justified opposition to the over-broad infobox to merit its conversion to a list. Your work is not lost; it can be found in the new list and the template history. I'd be happy to help with the creation of navboxes with a narrower scope; however, people hadn't been receiving to your suggestions at the TfD, so I couldn't have reasonably closed it as a split. I hope this helps. Alakzi (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds a lot like an unwarranted judgement call with basically no evidence to me, followed by an edit rampage. Anyway, I have no time for this crap anymore. Do you have any idea how much of a hassle it will be to re-add all that stuff you removed to every damn multihull and trimaran page??? As if I am going to bother with that muck after going through a damn deletion review! Have fun mucking with other people's hard work and contributions, the reality is your recent uncalled for actions have ensured frequent and numerous real contributions have now been lost. This community is destroying itself due to the actions of people like you. FEEL PROUD. prat (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Pratyeka: There's little point moaning here; if you're not happy with the close, raise the matter at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds a lot like an unwarranted judgement call with basically no evidence to me, followed by an edit rampage. Anyway, I have no time for this crap anymore. Do you have any idea how much of a hassle it will be to re-add all that stuff you removed to every damn multihull and trimaran page??? As if I am going to bother with that muck after going through a damn deletion review! Have fun mucking with other people's hard work and contributions, the reality is your recent uncalled for actions have ensured frequent and numerous real contributions have now been lost. This community is destroying itself due to the actions of people like you. FEEL PROUD. prat (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Infobox substitution
Infobox tornado
{{Infobox tornado}} is now ready for substitution. I can run AWB, but not write code. If you'd like to supply me with the necessary, and some instructions, I can do the job; or feel free to do so yourself ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Likewise {{Infobox tornado outbreak}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Done both, except for userspace transclusions. Alakzi (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. Also {{Infobox Canadian school district}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- And {{Infobox education in Canada}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. Also {{Infobox Canadian school district}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- Done both, except for userspace transclusions. Alakzi (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Some fixes for {{Infobox storm}} are needed, as shown at Category:Convert invalid options which currently lists 21 articles which look as if they have a problem with the change. Take this edit for example. That changed the first of the following lines to the second:
|wind = 121 mph (194 km/h)<br /><small>(at [[Kelly Air Force Base]])</small> | highest winds = 121 mph (194 km/h)<br /><small>(at [[Kelly Air Force Base]])</small>
The problem is that the old infobox allowed free-form text, but the new infobox requires a number representing the speed in km/h and nothing else (because the number is passed to {{convert}}). I could fix them, but I would omit the extra information—perhaps someone with knowledge of the topic should take a look and decide what should be done. I'm reporting this here because you might know the background about the change, and could let the people involved know. Otherwise, I guess I should mention it at WT:SEVERE. Johnuniq (talk) 06:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq: I've cough "fixed" it with this until we can think of something better. By the way, I did not make the infobox conversion. Alakzi (talk) 10:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yikes, I know you're not responsible for the syntax rules for templates either, but seeing stuff like that reminds me why Lua is better! Thanks—I did a purge to empty the convert error category which keeps me happy. I'll post at the wikiproject to let people know that edits are needed. Johnuniq (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Infobox country at games
- {{Infobox Country Pan American Games}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:52, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- That was done, but we have an edit-warrior there, who thinks their project owns the template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- {{Infobox Country at the Universiade}}; but what's the problem at Turkey at the 2011 Winter Universiade? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- It fails on attempting to calculate the sum of blank parameters. Alakzi (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can that be fixed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed with this edit. Alakzi (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed with this edit. Alakzi (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can that be fixed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- It fails on attempting to calculate the sum of blank parameters. Alakzi (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- {{Infobox Country Asian Para Games}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- {{Infobox Country All-Africa Games}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:51, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- All templates should not be merged until all issues are worked out first. Is this too hard to ask for? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's very hard to work out all the issues, when someone keeps reverting to the deprecated version of the tempaltes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can we keep this conversation in one place? I've visited four different user talk pages. Alakzi (talk) 19:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- You've missed a few... :-( Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Upon further investigation, these infoboxes are not quite ready for substitution. In the unlikely scenario that I become motivated, I'll untangle the code of {{Infobox country at games}}. But the more I see, the more I shake my head in disbelief. Alakzi (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Why not? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- The parameters don't match one-to-one and we're missing a couple, as in the case of American games. For example, the American games
|website=
is used as follows: [http://{{{website}}}/ {{{website}}}]; it would probably best be converted to {{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{website|}}}|{{URL|{{{website|}}}}}}}.- Please be more specific. Which parameters are missing, from where? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- I retract that; I've taken another look, and, though seven parameters hadn't been copied in Special:Diff/663827330, they're either redundant to existing ones or plain useless. (However, we should probably accommodate
|PAGappearances=
in some manner.) Besides|website=
, the only other thing that needs to be catered for is the location switch. Alakzi (talk) 12:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)- OK, I think I've taken care of the aforementioned parameters, and apologies for jumping the gun earlier. Can you confirm by substituting a couple of the Pan American Games infoboxes? Alakzi (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Sportsfan 1234: You too. Alakzi (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- I retract that; I've taken another look, and, though seven parameters hadn't been copied in Special:Diff/663827330, they're either redundant to existing ones or plain useless. (However, we should probably accommodate
- Please be more specific. Which parameters are missing, from where? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- The parameters don't match one-to-one and we're missing a couple, as in the case of American games. For example, the American games
- Why not? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Upon further investigation, these infoboxes are not quite ready for substitution. In the unlikely scenario that I become motivated, I'll untangle the code of {{Infobox country at games}}. But the more I see, the more I shake my head in disbelief. Alakzi (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- You've missed a few... :-( Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- There must've been a reason I didn't add it back then, but I don't remember what that was. Maybe I should take notes. Alakzi (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can we keep this conversation in one place? I've visited four different user talk pages. Alakzi (talk) 19:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's very hard to work out all the issues, when someone keeps reverting to the deprecated version of the tempaltes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- All templates should not be merged until all issues are worked out first. Is this too hard to ask for? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- Expression error: Unrecognized word "g". I get this when I input flagbearer. Competitors, flagbearer and medals still do not link to the respective articles. Finally the summary is not shown beside Pan American Games appearances. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Where does this occur? Alakzi (talk) 23:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- On the flagbearer option. I tried this on this article. Also is it possible to bold the IOC code, and remove the brackets for the in sports. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- It works for me. You might've been trying it with
|gold=
. Yes, it is possible. Alakzi (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)- Sorry it works for me now as well. When do you think you can get the other cosmetic fixes done? Thanks! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Sportsfan 1234: Which other ones? In the meantime, I've put the summary links back. Alakzi (talk) 23:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry it works for me now as well. When do you think you can get the other cosmetic fixes done? Thanks! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- It works for me. You might've been trying it with
- On the flagbearer option. I tried this on this article. Also is it possible to bold the IOC code, and remove the brackets for the in sports. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Where does this occur? Alakzi (talk) 23:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Linking the three items from above. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I've done medals, but, as I've said elsewhere, I don't believe the other two to be necessary. Alakzi (talk) 03:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- The Olympic Infobox connects to both, so should these events. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'll add the flag bearer link if there are no objections, but the competitors category link is taking too far; the infobox is fast becoming a link soup. @Dirtlawyer1: Thoughts on this? Alakzi (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- What are the specific questions, Alakzi? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'll add the flag bearer link if there are no objections, but the competitors category link is taking too far; the infobox is fast becoming a link soup. @Dirtlawyer1: Thoughts on this? Alakzi (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- The Olympic Infobox connects to both, so should these events. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I've done medals, but, as I've said elsewhere, I don't believe the other two to be necessary. Alakzi (talk) 03:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: In converting {{Infobox Country Pan American Games}} to use {{Infobox country at games}}, I've got rid of the competitors category and flag bearer links. To illustrate:
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Which do you prefer? Alakzi (talk) 10:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I prefer the second for several reasons: (1) the two-line header looks better ("the" may be unnecessary in header); (2) labeling the flag with a caption is unnecessary; (3) the data field label links are unnecessary (you can probably ditch the "medals" label link, too); (4) the dates of the event is a good addition; (5) "Appearances" label is redundant; (6) no reason to state the names of the games twice (that's the purpose of the infobox header).
- Other suggestions: (1) "Summary" does not need to be italicized; (2) I think "history" is better than "appearances," and it's shorter; (3) the games location should probably include the country as well as the city; (4) define the exterior boundary of the medals table with the same tool line used as its internal divider; (5) the medals table might look better if only the number cells were colored.
- That's a really big flag -- not quite sure what to do with it from a design standpoint. There's got to be a better, less ostentatious way to use the national flag in these infoboxes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dirtlawyer1. (1) I've removed the italics. (2) I think that "appearances" is less ambiguous; "history" might be confused with the history of the games. (3) Don't we usually refer to games only by their city? Somewhat unintuitively, the link points to the games article, where the country is specified. I'll give (4) and (5) some thought. I agree about the flag; I'll see if there's anything that can be done. Alakzi (talk) 12:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Should in be inserted before the city? Also you never addressed why the Olympics infobox is allowed to link to competitors and flagbearers, while this one cannot. They link to these articles for a reason, because it lists all the countries in one page (something you cannot do while just on one country page). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can you please explain?? Also the medals don't show, unless you add them. Before they automatically showed. Can you make it like that please? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- No defaults for variable information for obvious reasons; if you want it to say "0", type in "0". Alakzi (talk) 11:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- You are not answering my question. "Why is the Olympics infobox is allowed to link to competitors and flagbearers, while this one cannot." Its the same situation with the 0's. They automatically should appear, just like in the Olympic infobox. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- The Olympics infobox is not the gold standard in infobox design. I've said elsewhere that the infobox is in risk of becoming a link soup. Further, we do not link to categories if it can be helped; if a list of competitors is desired, do create a list article. The counts should not default to 0, as someone might simply forget to fill them in, or the games might be in the future, etc. It is rudimentary quality control. Alakzi (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I can understand the category, but not the flagbearer link being removed. This links specifically to the games in question (unlike the categories, just like the medal table). Second no one will forget to fill them in. There are some countries that didn't win medals and now that won't reflect in the infobox. If a country does win a medal it will show, when filled in. Please fix this or I will have to revert. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'll fix the articles in due time. Alakzi (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- There are 1000's of articles across the multiple games. By putting back the zeroes automatically the problem is fixed. So please add that back along with the link to the flagbearers. Also why have you not edited the Olympic infobox, if its not the gold standard? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed here. They'll all have the zeros in the article when they're eventually substituted, but I won't be incorporating this behaviour in {{Infobox country at games}}. Alakzi (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I am trying to add the flagbearer link, which you have not provided a valid reason for excluding. So please stop removing it. For some reason when I add it, two flagbearers show up on the infobox. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:52, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed here. They'll all have the zeros in the article when they're eventually substituted, but I won't be incorporating this behaviour in {{Infobox country at games}}. Alakzi (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- There are 1000's of articles across the multiple games. By putting back the zeroes automatically the problem is fixed. So please add that back along with the link to the flagbearers. Also why have you not edited the Olympic infobox, if its not the gold standard? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'll fix the articles in due time. Alakzi (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- You are not answering my question. "Why is the Olympics infobox is allowed to link to competitors and flagbearers, while this one cannot." Its the same situation with the 0's. They automatically should appear, just like in the Olympic infobox. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- No defaults for variable information for obvious reasons; if you want it to say "0", type in "0". Alakzi (talk) 11:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can you please explain?? Also the medals don't show, unless you add them. Before they automatically showed. Can you make it like that please? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Should in be inserted before the city? Also you never addressed why the Olympics infobox is allowed to link to competitors and flagbearers, while this one cannot. They link to these articles for a reason, because it lists all the countries in one page (something you cannot do while just on one country page). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dirtlawyer1. (1) I've removed the italics. (2) I think that "appearances" is less ambiguous; "history" might be confused with the history of the games. (3) Don't we usually refer to games only by their city? Somewhat unintuitively, the link points to the games article, where the country is specified. I'll give (4) and (5) some thought. I agree about the flag; I'll see if there's anything that can be done. Alakzi (talk) 12:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Three of us have said no to this link, and I've also provided an explanation for reverting you just now. Restoring a broken version of the template is not OK. Alakzi (talk) 15:54, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- How the fuck is it not okay, when the same fucking behaviour happens in the Olympics infobox. The article FUCKING exists. Open your damn eyes. The 2015 Pan American Games national flag bearers exists and so does 2011 Pan American Games national flag bearers and so forth. Also there is a random grey line going through the medals (gold, silver and bronze) which should be removed. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:59, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK, they weren't in my search results. I've added the link to {{Infobox country at games}}, which is where the "in" prefix should also be added. Alakzi (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. The gold, silver and bronze titles are not coloured in now. How do we get that back to being coloured, without the grey line showing? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK, they weren't in my search results. I've added the link to {{Infobox country at games}}, which is where the "in" prefix should also be added. Alakzi (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Infobox nhsc
- {{Infobox nhsc}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:00, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- There was already a wrapper of this one in the sandbox. What are the new year/event parameters for? Alakzi (talk) 20:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- I just copied them from the original (parameter number 17 & 19). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- There was already a wrapper of this one in the sandbox. What are the new year/event parameters for? Alakzi (talk) 20:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Infobox Greek Dimos
Hi, I saw you converted the {{Infobox Greek Dimos}} into a wrapper for Infobox settlement. I noticed some issues:
- pop_community and area_community aren't displayed. I tried to find a quick workaround, but Infobox settlement doesn't support a third population_blank field.
a map box (show/hide) is shown below the pushpin map, also if the image_map field is emptySolved this one myself, see Template:Infobox Greek Dimos/testcases
See Askos, Sochos and Lagyna for example. Do you have ideas how to fix this? Markussep Talk 15:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Is the community population (and area) not mutually exclusive to the municipal unit's? Presumably, no article uses both. Alakzi (talk) 17:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- A community is a subdivision of a municipal unit. If they have the same name, which is the case for Lachanas, Assiros, Aiani, Ptolemaida, Gargalianoi, Filiatra and many more, the articles give data for both administrative units. Markussep Talk 18:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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Countries : Kosovo and Northern Cyprus
Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Countries_in_Europe (Kosovo is listed here). You removed the Category from Northern Cyprus by saying "Upon further inspection, disputed territories do not use any of the country categories, so I'm removing all of them". Is Kosovo not disputed acc. to you? Did you miss Kosovo during your inspection?Ayka3b (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I did not; Kosovo is not in that category. Alakzi (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Hımmm, Ohh I see now. "Category:Kosovo" is in "Category:Countries in Europe", but "Kosovo" is not in "Category:Countries in Europe". So, do you have any objection to "Category:Northern Cyprus" to be in "Category:Countries in Europe"? If not, I wanna put it there just as Kosovo's example. Sorry, for my misunderstanding. Without clicking "Category:Kosovo" in "Category:Countries in Europe", I did not notice that "Kosovo" is not really there.Ayka3b (talk) 20:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
No consensus closes against vast majorities
Can you explain why you closed Template:Scott Rudin, Template:Brian Grazer and Template:Damon Lindelof as no consensus? They seemed to have consensus to keep.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I did not feel that a (rough) consensus had been established, as (a) the nomination rationale had not been effectively rebutted, (b) the !votes did not appear to be especially informed (for example, nobody made any mention of WP:NAVBOX or the criteria therein), and (c) many of the !votes were - simply put - nods in agreement. Alakzi (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
WP:Swimming auto-archive function
Hey, A. At your leisure, can you code the WP:Swimming talk page so that it auto-archives anything older than 12 month? It's long overdue: there are discussion threads from 2009 on the talk page. Also, is a single archive adequate, or should it be segmented in some fashion? I'm sure it's easy to do, but I'm always afraid that I will throw a spanner in the works and damage or lose something that can't be fixed or recovered. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Done! Alakzi (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, sir. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
You're incorrect
Yes, in fact, they are. There's even a template for it. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Which is? Alakzi (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have the "address" for it at the moment - and since I'm typing on my phone right now I won't be looking it up until much later today. But it does exist - I've seen it used numerous times over the last three years I've been here. You're welcome to look it up, of course. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- There is one (two, actually) for AfD, but I do not believe that it's customary to template IPs and apparent SPAs elsewhere. This approach is generally unproductive and many will argue that it runs afoul of WP:AGF. Besides, all the IP said was "Support", so we'd not have taken them very seriously even if they'd been a registered user. Alakzi (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think it runs afoul of AGF when used appropriately (as in this situation). Personally, I've seen it used at AN, AN/I, and in several other talk page discussion situations where consensus is bring sought. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- WV: Is this one of those where you say "per MOS" but then claim "but I don't know where"...you don't seem to be that knowledgeable about what policy and guidelines really do exist, and in some cases insist there is one just because you want it to be so. I saw your post asking at BLP about "Biography" sections...despite other users saying nothing says yes or no on the subject. You really waste a lot of people's time by saying "it is so" when if you knew MOS and guidelines better, you'd stop making such claims. JackTheVicar (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps there is some linguistic confusion here. The article is a biography, in the sense that it is about a person; however, the homonymous section within the biography has got a slightly different meaning - that of a chronological narrative of their life. Though it cannot be said that a "Biography" section within a biography is redundant, a better term for it could be found. Alakzi (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) You are correct, Alakzi: a better term could - and should - be found -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Alakzi : The problem is that there isn't a great option that meets 100% of the needs. I've weighed between "Biography" and "Life" which are the terms generally used in these Bio articles and lean towards "Biography" because I don't think "Life" is accurate or precise enough and it doesn't have the complete etymological/philological meaning I seek. Biography isn't perfect, but I tend toward it only as the less bad option among several not-great options. I just know I can't stand disorganized biographies that aren't in one well-delineated section. If I better word that is more all-encompassing and precise it out there, I as a writer and lover of words have yet to find it. If someone suggests something better than Biography or the lesser word Life, I'd be open to it. JackTheVicar (talk) 22:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps there is some linguistic confusion here. The article is a biography, in the sense that it is about a person; however, the homonymous section within the biography has got a slightly different meaning - that of a chronological narrative of their life. Though it cannot be said that a "Biography" section within a biography is redundant, a better term for it could be found. Alakzi (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- WV: Is this one of those where you say "per MOS" but then claim "but I don't know where"...you don't seem to be that knowledgeable about what policy and guidelines really do exist, and in some cases insist there is one just because you want it to be so. I saw your post asking at BLP about "Biography" sections...despite other users saying nothing says yes or no on the subject. You really waste a lot of people's time by saying "it is so" when if you knew MOS and guidelines better, you'd stop making such claims. JackTheVicar (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think it runs afoul of AGF when used appropriately (as in this situation). Personally, I've seen it used at AN, AN/I, and in several other talk page discussion situations where consensus is bring sought. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- There is one (two, actually) for AfD, but I do not believe that it's customary to template IPs and apparent SPAs elsewhere. This approach is generally unproductive and many will argue that it runs afoul of WP:AGF. Besides, all the IP said was "Support", so we'd not have taken them very seriously even if they'd been a registered user. Alakzi (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have the "address" for it at the moment - and since I'm typing on my phone right now I won't be looking it up until much later today. But it does exist - I've seen it used numerous times over the last three years I've been here. You're welcome to look it up, of course. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- winklevi ...Alakzi is entirely correct on the collapsing note issue, its that you just hate to be wrong or have someone not see it your way only. JackTheVicar (talk) 19:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Overnight
Having you been stalking me again? Bad dog. Bad. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- haha, I'd noticed his message on your talk page before turning in for the night. Alakzi (talk) 14:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- He has a history of over-the-top rhetoric and discussion meltdowns. First time I've been on the receiving end. I made the mistake of calling him out; now, I'll have to live with it. The whole thing about trying to invalidate a blocked user's discussion !vote is rather ironic; he was blocked in 2011 for running a string of a half dozen sock puppets in various discussions, pretty sophisticated about it, too, from what I've read in the SPI comments. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
PD gone
I see that persondata is removed without creating a miniature infobox, example Statz Friedrich von Fullen (not surprised.) Would it be difficult to tell a bot to suggest an infobox with the data from PD on the talk (!) if no infobox is there? - Would be so much less hand work than someone having to retrieve the data again from the article history and add it manually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the PD there was removed by a living, breathing human being. One of the reasons PD has been deprecated is its unreliability; it'd be better for a bot to retrieve whatever data there is on Wikidata when constructing an infobox replacement. Alakzi (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good idea! We don't talk about replacement of an infobox, but about cases without ibox, where so far there was at least PD. - How could it be done? - Let's also call the living human being for whom it would be easier to create an ibox than for someone following by watchlist. The ref is Box bot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- You'd probably like to comment here. Alakzi (talk) 12:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- How about you commenting? If I mention infobox ... - while you obviously have more than 100 occurences of the no-no-word in your archive without problem ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- You'd probably like to comment here. Alakzi (talk) 12:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good idea! We don't talk about replacement of an infobox, but about cases without ibox, where so far there was at least PD. - How could it be done? - Let's also call the living human being for whom it would be easier to create an ibox than for someone following by watchlist. The ref is Box bot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
General Growth Properties infobox
Hey there, I looked at your GGP sandbox edit and I thought it'd be more helpful than the current incarnation. However, I was wondering what you'd think about getting rid of the Rouse properties entirely/giving them a separate template, as the companies are separate. Let me know. Swishyhair (talk) 04:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Help with Rep. Tom Graves?
Hi Alakzi, I noticed your March edits to 152nd Georgia General Assembly. Would you be able to help with a request I have for the Rep. Tom Graves article? Specifically, I'm suggesting summarizing details about a real estate investment he was involved in. I want to clarify that I am working as a paid consultant to Rep. Graves, so I'm looking to discuss changes there rather than making the edits myself due to my conflict of interest. I was working with another editor, however this person has been off-wiki for awhile, and I'd like to keep progress moving forward. The full details of my request are on the Talk page, here, if you can spare a few minutes to check it out and give me feedback. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Katie Ledecky
Hey, can you take a look at the Katie Ledecky article? There is something squirrelly going on with the formatting starting in the section that displays her world records -- it may be some odd coding in the wikitables, but I can't find it if that's what's causing it. Any help graciously accepted. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Let me know if that's fixed it. Alakzi (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Perfect. Looks like there was some extra wikicoding in there that was causing problems. Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- You should stop by ANI; we're having such a lovely discussion. [1][2] Alakzi (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, I stopped by ANI yesterday to see what you were up to. Personally, I'm not going anywhere near a dust-up over two people using two different definitions for the amorphous concept of "libertarianism" -- especially with the whole underlying European v. American vibe. Personally, I'm from the John Locke, John Stuart Mill school of libertarianism -- does that make me a "continental libertarian?" Probably not, since they were both from a certain island, and not the continent.
- You should stop by ANI; we're having such a lovely discussion. [1][2] Alakzi (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Perfect. Looks like there was some extra wikicoding in there that was causing problems. Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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- There's another really fun ANI thread about two people arguing over an economic growth article, and the relative importance of labor productivity vs. income distribution to economic growth models. As best I can tell, there is not a single bachelor's degree in economics among the commenting parties. This is why I don't do political/economic discussions on Wikipedia; we have far too many people who are attracted to those subject areas but simply do not have the academic background to play, and nevertheless believe that their opinion is equally valid (or more so) than someone who spent years studying the subject area. But I digress. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yet, it is not very difficult to distinguish between the two mainstream flavours of libertarianism; they are diametrically opposed. (You might know about how left-wing anarchists regard ancaps, for instance.) He's someone who's not done even the most basic research - let's just hope he's never edited any article even distantly related to political theory. Anyway, I should go back to doing something productive. Alakzi (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- There's another really fun ANI thread about two people arguing over an economic growth article, and the relative importance of labor productivity vs. income distribution to economic growth models. As best I can tell, there is not a single bachelor's degree in economics among the commenting parties. This is why I don't do political/economic discussions on Wikipedia; we have far too many people who are attracted to those subject areas but simply do not have the academic background to play, and nevertheless believe that their opinion is equally valid (or more so) than someone who spent years studying the subject area. But I digress. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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Does Infobox person still require "px" following the numerical input data in the "image_size" parameter? I know this requirement has been eliminated from the coding of many, if not all, infoboxes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:14, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- It does not; all infoboxes which use Module:InfoboxImage do not require "px". Alakzi (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good to know. Someone ought to turn a bot loose to remove "px" everywhere. There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding its continued use. I see editors continuing to add it to the "image_size" parameter of infobox and article photos virtually every day. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- In fairness, people should rarely have to specify an image width; see WP:THUMBSIZE. Also, the "px" suffix is required by regular File: syntax, so people are quite used to doing it that way. It sounds like a fairly trivial matter to unleash a bot on. Alakzi (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- Cry havoc, and let slip the bots of triviality! Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- In fairness, people should rarely have to specify an image width; see WP:THUMBSIZE. Also, the "px" suffix is required by regular File: syntax, so people are quite used to doing it that way. It sounds like a fairly trivial matter to unleash a bot on. Alakzi (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good to know. Someone ought to turn a bot loose to remove "px" everywhere. There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding its continued use. I see editors continuing to add it to the "image_size" parameter of infobox and article photos virtually every day. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Sortname
Thank you for a simple solution. (Confessing that I stared at it and still didn't understand for a while ;) ) - I stare at the block with Thomas Tallis which doesn't sort (behaves like a low key) while Eric Whitaker does. ?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Extended content on Bot requsts page
Could you please explain how you produced the extended content that you added for King George II? Jc3s5h (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2015 (UTC) In ipython, I pasted the content of [3]:
In [2]: %paste Out[2]: ... In [3]: data = _ In [4]: data["entities"]["Q131981"]["claims"]["P569"] Out[4]: [{'id': 'q131981$FBDD5B85-9237-444F-9620-C2B67DE70844', 'mainsnak': {'datatype': 'time', 'datavalue': {'type': 'time', 'value': {'after': 0, 'before': 0, 'calendarmodel': 'http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1985786', 'precision': 11, 'time': '+1683-11-09T00:00:00Z', 'timezone': 0}}, 'property': 'P569', 'snaktype': 'value'}, 'rank': 'normal', 'references': [{'hash': '7eb64cf9621d34c54fd4bd040ed4b61a88c4a1a0', 'snaks': {'P143': [{'datatype': 'wikibase-item', 'datavalue': {'type': 'wikibase-entityid', 'value': {'entity-type': 'item', 'numeric-id': 328}}, 'property': 'P143', 'snaktype': 'value'}]}, 'snaks-order': ['P143']}], 'type': 'statement'}, {'id': 'Q131981$0E7308FE-3995-4A3B-AD50-975331E2ED91', 'mainsnak': {'datatype': 'time', 'datavalue': {'type': 'time', 'value': {'after': 0, 'before': 0, 'calendarmodel': 'http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1985727', 'precision': 11, 'time': '+1683-11-10T00:00:00Z', 'timezone': 0}}, 'property': 'P569', 'snaktype': 'value'}, 'rank': 'normal', 'references': [{'hash': '53bfaabf5974a514924dbd0228602ae119c31435', 'snaks': {'P248': [{'datatype': 'wikibase-item', 'datavalue': {'type': 'wikibase-entityid', 'value': {'entity-type': 'item', 'numeric-id': 36578}}, 'property': 'P248', 'snaktype': 'value'}], 'P813': [{'datatype': 'time', 'datavalue': {'type': 'time', 'value': {'after': 0, 'before': 0, 'calendarmodel': 'http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1985727', 'precision': 11, 'time': '+2014-04-26T00:00:00Z', 'timezone': 0}}, 'property': 'P813', 'snaktype': 'value'}]}, 'snaks-order': ['P248', 'P813']}], 'type': 'statement'}]
There might be easier ways to prettify JSON! Alakzi (talk) 19:03, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was confused by the Wikidata information for George II being edited after the JSON was produced, so the entry in the talk page didn't agree with what was displayed by the Wikidata user interface. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:16, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Module:Location map/data/North Nicosia
That was a good find, thank you! Tried to fix the coordinates a bit, apparently works better now, though it still needs some adjustment. --GGT (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @GGT: Looks better now, though I wonder if we need a map for just the north? Nicosia isn't such a big place. Alakzi (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- No we don't, actually. Would be good to have one for the whole city, and one for the walled city to locate the buildings there more specifically. I should admit that I was a bit short-sighted on this one: I was working primarily on the articles about northern Nicosia, so that was what I needed back then. --GGT (talk) 20:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Carl Nielsen works
Work in progress but I am tired ;) - Is there a way to give "opus" a high default value, to have opus 1 first when sorting by opus? (FS similar, but there are only few empty.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- No, but we can give all the blanks a "low" default value, so they'll be on the bottom when the table's sorted in descending order. Alakzi (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Gerda: Is that what you wanted? Alakzi (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes! - How lovely, wake up and feel understood! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Gerda: Is that what you wanted? Alakzi (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)