I would rather not discuss this with the participants in the dispute unless there is something specific to discuss. --John (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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I see that you fully protected Ayurveda indefinitely. That is an extraordinary remedy that was likely justified at the time. Two things have changed since then. First, ArbCom discretionary sanctions have been imposed on Complementary and alternative medicine, which should provide a way to deal with disruptive editors (either pushing fringe content such as the effectiveness of CAM, or personally attacking editors who push fringe content). Second, as a side effect of the ArbCom OccultZone case, editors who appeared to be good-faith but tendentious editors were banned as sock-puppets associated with User:OccultZone. (I call them associated because we don't know which of them is the puppet-master. OccultZone is treated as puppet-master but was not the oldest account. In any case, there has been a sock cleanout.) Would it be possible to downgrade the article to semi-protected for a while to see if a combination of ArbCom discretionary sanctions and the banning of sockpuppets has brought the edit-warring down to a manageable level? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the message. Your suggestion sounds like a reasonable one. I will be away for the weekend but I should be able to give this a proper look on Sunday evening. --John (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- On reflection, I have decided to grant this request. I will change the protection to semi. All previous injunctions will remain in place; edit-warring (broadly construed) will remain prohibited, and all major changes must be agreed in talk before being enacted. Any name-calling, however mild will also earn a block. I hope these measures will lead to a return to normal editing in time. --John (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- So a return to the same sanctions as before? Hmmm. Any reason to believe it will be more successful in shielding the article from pseudoscience advocacy now than it was before?—Kww(talk) 22:25, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not a return as they were never lifted. Hmmm. One's optimism or otherwise in predicting the future depends on the faith one has in the abilities of one's colleagues to behave properly. You, as an editor involved in this dispute, have the power to help make proper editing a possibility in the future. All you and others have to do is to behave as we are all always supposed to behave; I hope you are up to it. If you, or anybody else, feels they are too invested in an area to edit it dispassionately, you, or they, are completely free to leave it and edit elsewhere. --John (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- No, because my involvement in the topic area prevents me from blocking disruptive editors on sight, as I would in other areas. I don't consider pseudoscience advocates to be my colleagues, and I am convinced that they will constantly misbehave. Nothing about finding out that one was socking to that extent diminishes my pessimism in that regard, nor does your general failure to recognize pseudoscience advocacy as the root of the problem lessen my concern.—Kww(talk) 23:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Right. That's pretty much what I thought you thought. I can only recommend rereading my last sentence. --John (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- I think it's a shame that you volunteered to administer an encyclopedia and then view taking necessary steps to administer it as a problem. Someone editing ayurveda in an effort to portray it as a legitimate medical system is no different from someone that insists the earth is 6000 years old: it may be that they legitimately believe it, but efforts to portray that belief as fact are disruption, pure and simple.—Kww(talk) 13:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Your opinion has been noted before and it has now been noted again. --John (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Now, if you would simply correct your behaviour, many of our problems would be resolved. Don't act as some kind of vague, capricious threat over editors that are attempting to correct problems while providing comfort to those that are creating them.—Kww(talk) 14:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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John, one (or possibly more than one) IP has been, in my opinion, making some unhelpful edits at Field (physics). This includes:
1. Removing material that, while not perfect, at least includes citations to textbooks and articles by notable physicists), then, replacing it with material that is not cited and, as far as I can tell, unconventional. As a result, the lead, right now, has no citations at all! 2. Editing other IP's comments on Talk:Field (physics), seemingly to change the record on the dialogue that has developed there. This might be an example of the same user editing his/her previous comments but under different IPs, I can't tell, of course. 3. There has possibly also been a violation (or violations) of the 3RR rule.
I have reverted many of the IPs edits (though not all of them), and I have encourage the editor to work responsively at Talk:Field (physics). I would say, however, that his/her response has not been productive. Another editor, @Maschen, has also been involved.
The IPs in question are:
24.130.26.146 50.197.189.126 2601:9:4781:6600:544f:6cdd:2f51:bcf7 2602:306:ce2f:6990:f418:da9f:274b:4195
I'm not sure if I should be asking for this, but I would favor blocking these IP addresses and putting protection on Field (physics).
Thank you, 18:56, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am away for the weekend but I promise to look properly on Sunday evening. John (talk) 23:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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- John, after sleeping on this, I've decided that I'm going to abandon my involvement with Field (physics). In my opinion, the IP editor there doesn't understand how Wiki works, does not understand what is expected for a Wiki article, nor does he/she understand how to work with other editors. What else is new? These problems might persist there for a while, since Field (physics) is, I now recognize, a "low traffic article". If the IP was working on a more prominent article, there would be lots of other editors around to keep things in place. I am not, however, going to bother with this in this case. So, I just wanted you to know. When you get back from your break, one less thing to worry about. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Thanks for both your messages. I will try to look at this tomorrow. --John (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- The IP now has an account: Crosleybendix. Yet another editor: Epipelagic has now weighed in. Might be interesting, I don't know, I'm trying to practice restraint. Weirdness at Modern physics as well. These are articles that should be better than they are. It might sort itself out. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- I've warned the named account. Please let me know if this recurs. --John (talk) 06:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
The Signpost: 03 June 2015
PR request
I know I asked you before, but I was hoping you forgot versus declined, would you be interested and willing to give me some feedback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Chetro Ketl/archive1? I've put lot's of work into this for more than three months now, but I fear it won't go anywhere for lack of interest. What do you think? RO(talk) 16:02, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- I promise to have a look but I am too tired to do it justice at the moment. Tomorrow should work though, if that is ok with you. --John (talk) 21:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- No problem. Thanks, John! RO(talk) 21:29, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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