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Contents
- 1 Instructions for nominators
- 2 Instructions for other editors
- 3 Nominations
- 3.1 Older nominations
- 3.1.1 Articles created/expanded on September 17
- 3.1.2 Articles created/expanded on October 1
- 3.1.3 Articles created/expanded on October 5
- 3.1.4 Articles created/expanded on October 6
- 3.1.5 Articles created/expanded on October 8
- 3.1.6 Articles created/expanded on October 9
- 3.1.7 Articles created/expanded on October 10
- 3.1.8 Articles created/expanded on October 11
- 3.1.9 Articles created/expanded on October 12
- 3.1.10 Articles created/expanded on October 13
- 3.1.11 Articles created/expanded on October 14
- 3.1.12 Articles created/expanded on October 16
- 3.1.13 Articles created/expanded on October 17
- 3.1.14 Articles created/expanded on October 19
- 3.1.15 Articles created/expanded on October 22
- 3.1.16 Articles created/expanded on October 24
- 3.1.17 Articles created/expanded on October 25
- 3.1.18 Articles created/expanded on October 26
- 3.1.19 Articles created/expanded on October 27
- 3.1.20 Articles created/expanded on October 28
- 3.1.21 Articles created/expanded on October 29
- 3.1.22 Articles created/expanded on October 30
- 3.1.23 Articles created/expanded on October 31
- 3.1.24 Articles created/expanded on November 1
- 3.1.25 Articles created/expanded on November 2
- 3.1.26 Articles created/expanded on November 3
- 3.1.27 Articles created/expanded on November 4
- 3.1.28 Articles created/expanded on November 5
- 3.1.29 Articles created/expanded on November 6
- 3.1.30 Articles created/expanded on November 7
- 3.1.31 Articles created/expanded on November 8
- 3.1.32 Articles created/expanded on November 9
- 3.1.33 Articles created/expanded on November 10
- 3.1.33.1 Ali Akbar Aboutorabi Fard
- 3.1.33.2 Pakistan Armed Forces deployments
- 3.1.33.3 The Honest Company
- 3.1.33.4 Bacon and Hams
- 3.1.33.5 Ebbor Gorge
- 3.1.33.6 Bristol County Jail
- 3.1.33.7 From The Doctor to my son Thomas
- 3.1.33.8 Hilja Riipinen
- 3.1.33.9 The Gambia at the 2008 Summer Olympics
- 3.1.33.10 Niles Fulwyler, McDonald Ranch House
- 3.1.34 Articles created/expanded on November 11
- 3.1.35 Articles created/expanded on November 12
- 3.1.35.1 Cognitive specialization
- 3.1.35.2 Sigma II-65 war game
- 3.1.35.3 Murder of Atcel Olmedo
- 3.1.35.4 Negativity bias
- 3.1.35.5 Sigma I-62 war game
- 3.1.35.6 Sigma I-64 war game
- 3.1.35.7 Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society
- 3.1.35.8 Sigma war games
- 3.1.35.9 Captive Pursuit
- 3.1.35.10 GL Mk. I radar
- 3.1.35.11 The Game (mind game)
- 3.1.36 Articles created/expanded on November 13
- 3.1.37 Articles created/expanded on November 14
- 3.1.37.1 Juan Antonio Pérez Simón
- 3.1.37.2 Blakumen
- 3.1.37.3 Main Central Thrust
- 3.1.37.4 Salt surface structures
- 3.1.37.5 Southern Oklahoma Aulacogen
- 3.1.37.6 Tectonics of the South China Sea
- 3.1.37.7 Isua Greenstone Belt
- 3.1.37.8 Eastern Pilbara Craton
- 3.1.37.9 1989 Burkinabé coup d'état attempt, 1966 Upper Voltan coup d'état, 1980 Upper Voltan coup d'état, 1982 Upper Voltan coup d'état
- 3.1.37.10 Battle of Besançon, St. Stephen's Cathedral, Besançon
- 3.1.37.11 Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey
- 3.1.38 Articles created/expanded on November 15
- 3.1.38.1 William W. Cargill
- 3.1.38.2 Margot (opera)
- 3.1.38.3 Continental arc
- 3.1.38.4 Like Crazy
- 3.1.38.5 Creek Council Oak Tree
- 3.1.38.6 José Villegas Cordero
- 3.1.38.7 Strain partitioning
- 3.1.38.8 Metamorphic facies of subduction zones
- 3.1.38.9 Deicke and Millbrig Bentonite Layers
- 3.1.38.10 Macquarie Triple Junction
- 3.1.38.11 Aalto Center
- 3.1.39 Articles created/expanded on November 16
- 3.1.40 Articles created/expanded on November 17
- 3.1.41 Articles created/expanded on November 18
- 3.1.42 Articles created/expanded on November 19
- 3.1.43 Articles created/expanded on November 20
- 3.1.44 Articles created/expanded on November 21
- 3.1.45 Articles created/expanded on November 22
- 3.1.46 Articles created/expanded on November 23
- 3.1.46.1 Lorde
- 3.1.46.2 Hendrick Martin House
- 3.1.46.3 Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin
- 3.1.46.4 Pange lingua, WAB 33
- 3.1.46.5 San Ignacio Church of Intramuros
- 3.1.46.6 Nicolas Zamora
- 3.1.46.7 Great Mosque of Salé
- 3.1.46.8 Marriage of Empress Theophanu
- 3.1.46.9 Carl Johannes Edwards
- 3.1.46.10 Les Mots bleus (album)
- 3.1.47 Articles created/expanded on November 24
- 3.1.48 Articles created/expanded on November 25
- 3.1.49 Articles created/expanded on November 26
- 3.1.49.1 Your Old Droog
- 3.1.49.2 China painting
- 3.1.49.3 2011 Helmand Province incident
- 3.1.49.4 Sleep hygiene
- 3.1.49.5 Turboliner
- 3.1.49.6 Lucihormetica verrucosa
- 3.1.49.7 Japanese government-issued gulden and roepiah in the Netherlands Indies
- 3.1.49.8 Bimini Baths
- 3.1.49.9 Mayer Cantata, WAB 60
- 3.1.49.10 Sitriuc mac Ímair
- 3.1.49.11 Puducherry (Lok Sabha constituency)
- 3.1.49.12 John William Brown (artist)
- 3.1.50 Articles created/expanded on November 27
- 3.1.51 Articles created/expanded on November 28
- 3.1.52 Articles created/expanded on November 29
- 3.1.52.1 International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children
- 3.1.52.2 Willie Thrasher
- 3.1.52.3 Girlfight
- 3.1.52.4 Stanisławów Ghetto
- 3.1.52.5 Sepp Angerer
- 3.1.52.6 Keyboard Sonata No. 20 (Haydn)
- 3.1.52.7 Ole Børud
- 3.1.52.8 French frigate Junon (1806)
- 3.1.52.9 Priochilus captivum
- 3.1.52.10 Missa Tempore Quadragesimae (Michael Haydn)
- 3.1.52.11 Osteopathic Oath
- 3.1.53 Articles created/expanded on November 30
- 3.2 Current nominations
- 3.2.1 Articles created/expanded on December 1
- 3.2.1.1 Trove (website)
- 3.2.1.2 The Living Truth
- 3.2.1.3 Banai (goddess)
- 3.2.1.4 E. Newton Harvey
- 3.2.1.5 Daniel J. Hilferty
- 3.2.1.6 Zeng Dian
- 3.2.1.7 Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich of Russia
- 3.2.1.8 Dahlander pole changing motor
- 3.2.1.9 Charlene Robinson
- 3.2.1.10 Wapi Project
- 3.2.1.11 Albert Franklin Banta
- 3.2.1.12 Saint Tetha
- 3.2.1.13 Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)
- 3.2.1.14 Little Black Creek
- 3.2.2 Articles created/expanded on December 2
- 3.2.3 Articles created/expanded on December 3
- 3.2.3.1 Stripped Classicism
- 3.2.3.2 Ovi (poetry)
- 3.2.3.3 Olympic Park Observation Tower
- 3.2.3.4 Austracantha minax
- 3.2.3.5 Mites of livestock
- 3.2.3.6 Ellie Greenwood
- 3.2.3.7 Robert Boal
- 3.2.3.8 Gray-tailed vole
- 3.2.3.9 Stony Creek (Black Creek)
- 3.2.3.10 Go Nawaz Go (slogan)
- 3.2.3.11 Le Dernier Combat
- 3.2.3.12 Armenia–Azerbaijan relations in the Eurovision Song Contest
- 3.2.3.13 Despicable Me 2
- 3.2.3.14 Torreón massacre
- 3.2.4 Articles created/expanded on December 4
- 3.2.4.1 1966 Tashkent earthquake
- 3.2.4.2 Russo-Georgian War
- 3.2.4.3 Ring-tailed ground squirrel
- 3.2.4.4 Apollo Hotel Amsterdam
- 3.2.4.5 Glenwood Generating Station
- 3.2.4.6 Helen-Ann Hartley
- 3.2.4.7 Michigan State Spartans field hockey
- 3.2.4.8 Northwestern Wildcats field hockey
- 3.2.4.9 San Isidro Labrador Church (Pulilan)
- 3.2.4.10 Operation Millpond
- 3.2.4.11 Guanacaste Conservation Area
- 3.2.4.12 Verlorenvlei redfin
- 3.2.4.13 Peter Daniel Anthonisz
- 3.2.5 Articles created/expanded on December 5
- 3.2.6 Articles created/expanded on December 6
- 3.2.7 Articles created/expanded on December 7
- 3.2.7.1 2014 Quick Lane Bowl
- 3.2.7.2 1979 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship Game
- 3.2.7.3 Auto Defense Choc
- 3.2.7.4 The Graham Children
- 3.2.7.5 San Jose de Ivana Church
- 3.2.7.6 Gandhinagar (Lok Sabha constituency)
- 3.2.7.7 St Paul's Church, Seacombe
- 3.2.7.8 Aero-engined car
- 3.2.7.9 Kickboxer (remake)
- 3.2.8 Articles created/expanded on December 8
- 3.2.1 Articles created/expanded on December 1
- 3.3 Special occasion holding area
- 3.1 Older nominations
Instructions for nominators
Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any autoconfirmed registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).
To nominate an article
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In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began, not the date on which you make the nomination.
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How to review a nomination
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
- Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
- Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
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Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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Instructions for other editors
How to promote an accepted hook
- In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote. In a separate window, open the prep area you intend to add the hook to.
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- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
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- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on September 17
Mamadou N'Diaye (basketball, born 1993)
... that Mamadou N'Diaye is the tallest active basketball player in the NCAA?
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... that Mamadou N'Diaye broke the Big West's single-game block record after nearly losing his vision due to a tumor? - ALT2:
... that Mamadou N'Diaye was approached by the Guinness World Records in attempts to verify claims of being the tallest high school basketball player in the world?
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Created by Temple of the Mousy (talk). Self nominated at 00:38, 20 September 2014 (UTC).
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New article is large enough, and nominated in time. The main hook is problematic, since NCAA basketball is currently in the off-season, and the term "active" is ambiguous. It is unclear if any new players recruited for the upcoming season are as tall or taller. ALT1's claim of "nearly losing his vision due to a tumor" comes from the site theleaguenews.us, which does not seem like a reliable source. It has only been around since 2013, and one of the minimum writer requirements for that site is merely being 14+ years old. ALT2 is not that interesting in that it only deals with "attempts to verify claims". Pending is QPQ from nominator, and checks if this article is within policy.—Bagumba (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I added a reliable source, the LA Times, to the ALT1 hook. Please check it out for a second time. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 18:16, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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- The LAT article says the tumor "threatening his sight", it does not support the article's "During the surgery, doctors estimated that N'Diaye would likely lose most of his vision", nor ALT1's "nearly losing his vision due to a tumor".
- Not supported by LAT article: "He was also looked after by Stoneridge Preparatory School. N'Diaye was later adopted by a married couple in Huntington Beach, California, near the future high school where he would play basketball."
- While the quote "could barely get up and down the court more than a few times" is cited, it should be attributed if the quote is to stay. However, why not just paraphrase and present as a fact without the need for full quote?
- "Ndiaye is a legit 7-foot-5 prospect with extraordinary length and huge hands." needs a citation immediately after the quote (WP:INTEXT).
- WP:QPQ is pending. Otherwise, article seems neutral, adequately cited.—Bagumba (talk) 08:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I have made some more changes based on the mistakes you pointed out. Temple of the Mousy (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
New reviewer needed. Issues above should be rechecked to be sure they've been addressed. However, the nominator doesn't yet have five DYK self-nominations, so a QPQ is not required. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, @Temple of the Mousy:
- I've removed the statement "would likely lose most of his vision" since it's not cited and striked ALT1. Feel free to readd if you want to rephrase it.
- Contrary to popular belief, schools are not primarily used for child care. Neither is guardianship the same as adoption. I've rewritten that sentence, leaving out the first part to avoid repeating a later section.
- The article generally needed more inline cites. Most of the facts were in sources but not explicitly attributed. I've removed the following due to a lack of attribution:
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- N'Diaye was labeled one of the best recruits of the Class of 2013.
- He was ranked the 12th best center and the 85th best overall player by Rivals.com.
- He was listed as a four-star recruit by the majority of basketball recruiting websites.
- N'Diaye is often considered one of the biggest players in college basketball history.
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Since the season started this week (did you know that it has been two months since this was first nominated?):
ALT3:... that UC Irvine center Mamadou N'Diaye is currently the tallest basketball player in NCAA Division I?Fuebaey (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)ALT4:... that UC Irvine center Mamadou N'Diaye was named Big West Conference Defensive Player of the Year during the 2013–14 NCAA Division I men's basketball season?ALT5:... that UC Irvine center Mamadou N'Diaye arrived in the US without knowing how to speak English?Fuebaey (talk) 17:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)I would offer some different hooks or at least clean up the phrasing we've got, but this has been sitting around long enough I think. ALT5 is sourced, no QPQ required, neutral, sourced, long enough, new and on time, minimal copied phrases per Earwig's doohickey. ALT5 is G2G. — LlywelynII 08:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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If the source and article both have the phrase "because he liked the coaching staff and the school's strong academics and athletics" (the only difference is "liked" vs. "likes"), then this is certainly a case of close paraphrasing (if not copyvio) and not acceptable—and that's only a single source. It looks like Earwig's tool has been improved since it was deprecated for use on DYK since it can now check the sources actually used in the article, but the percentage number is clearly useless if it encourages a verdict of "minimal" here. The age of the nomination is no reason to reduce basic standards. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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It wasn't a paraphrase at all: it was simply lifted. But A) it was less than a full sentence, B) expressing his personal reasons, C) phrased as a sourced indirect quote. There was no problem here in the first place and even less of one now that it seems the indirect quote has been replaced with a direct one. We should be careful about copyright violations (and I have less sympathy now that I've checked some of my articles and seen how much lower my own numbers are), but there are only so many ways to express certain exact formulations. Earwig's tool was more accurate on this than your opinion was.
(As an aside, the snark about "age of the nomination not being a reason to half-ass it" fails WP:AGF—as well basic reading comprehension—by a country mile. I was talking about reworking the hooks or not; the sentence fragment you were fixated on had nothing to do with what I was talking about.) — LlywelynII 14:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset: Please note that this is not my nomination and I'm not particularly familiar with American college basketball. I may not catch every problem in this article, although I would not expect any other reviewer to either. The nominator seems to have abandoned this and I would normally close it if I didn't think I was able to salvage it. Earwig has a percentage of up to 33% for this article on some sources, but it doesn't differentiate between quotes and actual copyvio. It also picks up short three word statements like "a married couple", "to the United States" and "Ndiaye is a" which as a biography should at very least be covered under WP:LIMITED if at all challenged. I've converted the sentence highlighted into a direct quote to be clear. You've mentioned "and that's only a single source" - do you have more specific objections or is that just being speculative? Fuebaey (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have been inactive recently. I'll take a more detailed look at this article in the near future, but with the changes made so far, and I can't find any issues myself.Temple of the Mousy (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: Please note that this is not my nomination and I'm not particularly familiar with American college basketball. I may not catch every problem in this article, although I would not expect any other reviewer to either. The nominator seems to have abandoned this and I would normally close it if I didn't think I was able to salvage it. Earwig has a percentage of up to 33% for this article on some sources, but it doesn't differentiate between quotes and actual copyvio. It also picks up short three word statements like "a married couple", "to the United States" and "Ndiaye is a" which as a biography should at very least be covered under WP:LIMITED if at all challenged. I've converted the sentence highlighted into a direct quote to be clear. You've mentioned "and that's only a single source" - do you have more specific objections or is that just being speculative? Fuebaey (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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This is an article I'd definitely like to see on the main page. Regrettably, I have to put this on hold again: at least one quote in the article does not match its source, and I don't have time to do a more thorough check at the moment. Compare "could hardly get up and down the court more than a few times due to his tumor" in the article with the cited source's "he could barely get up and down the court more than a few times" (FN6, sportsonearth.com). I can understand miscopying "hardly" as "barely"; I can't the addition of "due to his tumor", words the source did not have, and that do not appear to be factually correct: the tumor was gone by this point according to the account in FN6, and N'Diaye was still recovering from the surgery. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I've edited that sentence to reflect the source. Any more problems? Fuebaey (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Since Moonset isn't satisfied with the DYK checklist and apparently is holding out until this reaches GA status
, I suppose we have time to improve some of the hooks (3 & 4 failing "interest"):
ALT5a: ... that UC Irvine center Mamadou N'Diaye arrived at Stoneridge Prep in the US barely knowing how to speak English?
ALT6: ... that UC Irvine center Mamadou N'Diaye grew up playing soccer before being noticed by the Seattle Redhawks?
ALT7: ... that 7'6" Mamadou N'Diaye's medical bills for the golf ball-sized tumor in his pituitary gland were paid by charitable donations?
— LlywelynII 05:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Reviewer needed for the remaining ALT hooks. (I've changed the second ALT5 to ALT5a—the two are quite similar—to avoid potential confusion.) I have no further quote or close paraphrasing issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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no QPQ required
Article created by Temple of the Mousy on September 17, 2014 and has 6,788 characters of readable prose
NPOV
ALT7 Hook is interesting, short enough and sourced with Refs 7 and 8
Hook ALT7 is sourced to :discovered he had a large tumor ... The school was unable to afford treatment for Ndiaye's condition. But a charity drive was able to amass the needed funds and Ref 8 diagnosed with a tumor ... The golf ball-sized mass. Stoneridge didn't have adequate insurance to cover surgery but found charitable foundations in Orange County that would
Every paragraph sourced
Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio
GTG -- Esemono (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT8:
... that Mamadou N'Diaye's medical bills for the golf ball-sized tumor in his pituitary gland were paid by charitable donations?
The fact that he is 7'6" seems irrelevant to the hook. I'm proposing ALT8 without the height, which would probably need metric equivalent if it were to stay.—Bagumba (talk) 00:19, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Bagumba, it's because of the tumor that he grew so tall, and it's his height and basketball that makes him notable. You've just removed the remaining reason he's interesting from the hook: lots of people with unusual names have operations paid for through charities. Striking ALT8, and suggesting new ALT based on the previous two:
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- ALT9: ... that 7 ft 6 in (2.29 m) basketball center Mamadou N'Diaye's teenage medical bills for removing the golf ball–sized tumor in his pituitary gland were paid by charitable donations? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset: The article currently does not mention that "because of the tumor that he grew so tall". The height as currently mentioned in the hook serves only as a random tidbit; the bulk of the hook is about the tumor, and no relation is given to his height. Perhaps ALT3 should be reconsidered, or a new hook proposed that makes it clearer why his height is being mentioned. While I am a basketball fan, a non-fan might see 7'6" as being the same as 6'9" i.e. they are both taller than most readers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Bagumba, 7'6" is extremely tall and a good hook fact in itself; I think most people know that it's unusual and well beyond the norm. The article had said "N'Diaye was suffering from a golf ball-sized tumor in his pituitary gland, which controlled his growth", so it was certainly implied in the article that the tumor was responsible for his unusual growth; I've changed "controlled" to "affected", which I think is better. FN6 clearly says that the tumor was responsible, as pituitary tumors release excess growth hormone. Since we seem to disagree on hook fitness, I'm happy to get an outside opinion. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT10: ... that a golf ball–sized pituitary tumor caused Mamadou N'Diaye to grow to 7 ft 6 in (2.29 m), and he became the tallest college basketball player in Division I?
- ALT11: ... that a pituitary tumor caused Mamadou N'Diaye to grow to 7 ft 6 in (2.29 m), and he became the tallest college basketball player in Division I?
To make mention of his height more relevant to the hook while incorporating the tumor, I'm proposing ALT10 or ALT11.—Bagumba (talk) 03:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT10 is covered by this one "a 7-foot-6, 300-pound freshman who is the tallest player in the nation ... diagnosed with a tumor on his pituitary gland, which controls growth. The golf ball-sized mass " and this one "The disorder may account for his oversized growth, but could also lead to complications including blindness."
- ALT11 is covered here "The disorder may account for his oversized growth, but could also lead to complications including blindness." "a 7-foot-6, 300-pound freshman who is the tallest player in the nation ... diagnosed with a tumor on his pituitary gland, which controls growth. The golf ball-sized mass -- Esemono (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Native Americans in German popular culture
- ... that due to the popular image of Native Americans, Indianer reenactment (pictured) was quite popular in East Germany?
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- ALT1:... that "Indianthusiasm" is a scientific term for the popular image of Native Americans in German-speaking countries (pictured)?
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Created by User:Serten (talk), with help from Yngvadottir and Hafspajen. Self-nominated at 14:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC).
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- (Do me a favour, avoid "East Germany", as ambiguous. See article talk.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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- You could say communist Germany, to not support a strange view on the Main page, otherwise it sounds as if there was also a communist West Germany. East Germany means today the eastern part of Germany. There is nothing "official" about the article title, just the "consensus": it's common, and we always did it that way. "Official" would be different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I'm pretty sure there isn't actually such a thing as adorable racism, but if there was, this would be it. It's got a nice tone, and there are plenty of references with no visible copyvios that I can see. All images are on Commons and fine. There are, however, some big sourcing issues in some places. I've very little doubt that most just need ref name" " in there to sort it out, but there's a few sentences in the Wandervogel and youth movement section that need sourcing. Same with Karl May. Literature and art is probably one source citing three paragraphs but it would be nice to have that reinforced with a little number on the end of the paragraph.
- I'm sure this can be sorted easily, but it needs sorting. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:53, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that "adorable racism" repectively the noble savage concept is as old as Tacitus Germania (book), will say much longer in existance than racism per se. I did add some sourcing as required, but I am wondering on which base DYK may be so picky respectively why - compare Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Sutton_Heritage_Mosaic_pulled_from_main_page based on a POV statement like " You can't affix tiles to an outside wall with flour and water" - DYK reviewers sometimes seem to think their personal ignorance is beating sourced content. Sorry to sound harsh, but I am loosing interest when DYK tries to beat GA (the article in question has 52 references now and I won't go much further for a DYK) but doesnt show basic expertise topicwise. Serten (talk) 22:42, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Serten:, please do not lose all hope! It's simply because it goes on the front page. When a Featured Article goes on the front page, admittedly it gets a million more views, but it also gets hammered under the scrutiny of the increased editor traffic. So in this case, it's obviously a good candidate, it's obviously very well written and sourced, but if the small nitpicks aren't sorted, as soon as it's extra visible, it will get (a) pulled or (b) hammered. I put up Rhapsodomancy, and now it's got a by whom tag on it. I know it's by the author that wrote the book I'm referencing, but I'm not at the British Library anymore so I can't pull up a direct quote to support it. I'm extremely confident that my latest DYK submission is suitable to go in a queue, but I'm having to get out exact quotations because the subject is rather contentious.
- The nitpicking is your shield against the denizens of increased public scrutiny. We will wield it for you when everything is set up. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:20, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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for ALT1. Sourcing meets and exceeds DYK requirements. Good to go. If it was me, I'd move the article to Native Americans in Germanic popular culture maybe. First hook has the untranslated "Indianer", but is really the better one. "Re-enacting Native American life was popular in communist Germany" or something. Johnbod (talk) 20:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Thnx Johnbod, I did the move, but used German instead of Germanic, think it should work as well. Serten 08:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
I realise this must've taken quite a while to write and I appreciate the effort being made here. I don't find it in anyway racist to write about the academic value of Native American influenced German culture (the German wiki version has more info) but I am finding this article rather clunky to read through. A few other problems:
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- Poor writing can lead to sources being taken out of context. "The German image of Indians did not care much about actual Native Americans and their current situation." - Der Tagesspiegel quotes museum representatives in Berlin discussing how there's a lack of interest for their Native American art collection.
- "Germans still have an easygoing approach to using blackface or redface; compare Heidi Klum." is an uncited WP:BLP violation.
- Poor generalisations made by cobbling unrelated sources together. "It is however still somewhat disturbing for both sides when German hobby Indians meet Native German enthusiasts." is cited to a cartoon and an academic author.
- Claims should be cited. "There are allegations of plastic shamanism versus mockery about Native Americans excluding non-Indians and banning alcohol at their events."
- ALT1: I haven't come across the phrase "scientific term" being used to describe a cultural concept before. In the article it states Lutz coined the term. I wouldn't consider the two synonymous.
- ALT2: Needs to be explicitly stated and cited (DYK rule 3).
This is by no means an exhaustive list, but unless someone comes round to extensively copyedit this article I don't see this moving forward. Fuebaey (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry, this is DYK, what are you intending, featured article status? This is ridiculous. Serten 13:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have highlighted my concerns above. Apologies if you took my attempt at explaining specific problems with the article as something different. If you prefer me to be blunt this fails DYK rules 3 and 4. Cited hook – The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article. Facts should have an inline citation. The article as a whole should use inline, cited sources. Within policy – Articles for DYK must conform to the core policies of Verifiability, Living Person Biographies and Copyright. Nominations should be rejected if an inspection reveals that they are not based on reliable sources, violate WP:BLP, or have problems with the close paraphrasing or copyright violations of images and/or text. Fuebaey (talk) 16:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, this is DYK, what are you intending, featured article status? This is ridiculous. Serten 13:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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- FUBAR. Johnbod gave after some discussion and changes his check mark, then someone else comes along and unreviews it? How you dare to overrule based on a big fuss out of nothing? a) the Heidi Klum issue is far from BLP, she got US flak for a behavior totally normal in Germany (Source inserted) b) Tagesspiegel writes well about the general setup c) the german article has less about the science, not more. d) Cartoons might have a science background and might be uses as sources. This is even more ridiculous. Serten 08:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- There are some valid points there, though others are not. The Heidi Klum bit needs a referenence, if only to explain it (I have no idea what the story is here). Otherwise cut it. In Alt1 "Scientific" might be better as "technical", or just cut the adjective. I have added a ref (from the bio) re Karl May & copyedited a bit. I presume the current ref 36 (in german) supports the hook fact. If so, reffing the image caption, & maybe adding to the text sorts this. But for DYK it is not necessary to produce an ideal article, and "clunkyness" is not a reason to delay the nom further. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- FUBAR. Johnbod gave after some discussion and changes his check mark, then someone else comes along and unreviews it? How you dare to overrule based on a big fuss out of nothing? a) the Heidi Klum issue is far from BLP, she got US flak for a behavior totally normal in Germany (Source inserted) b) Tagesspiegel writes well about the general setup c) the german article has less about the science, not more. d) Cartoons might have a science background and might be uses as sources. This is even more ridiculous. Serten 08:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 5
Jill Stuart
- ... that fashion designer Jill Stuart (pictured) sold her first collection to Bloomingdales by the age of 15?
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5x expanded by Libby norman (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC).
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Panyd, you put the POV template on the article. Can you please address that here? If there are POV issues, then they need to be addressed before the article can be eligible for DYK, so it's a significant matter. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:51, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- By 1990, her competitively priced stoles, bags and fur accessories could be found in stores such as Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman - the source says 'low price', not 'competitive', which has advertorial connotations
- Her eponymous label was launched in 1993 and included Skinclothes – a range of leather garments, such as slip dresses, kilts, jeans and jackets – with a sporty edge - not only does that read like an advert for the product, but source three is a puff piece from Elle with lines like: Jill Stuart didn’t wait long to make her own stylish entree. I'd have to AGF on source four.
- Brand Development - why does this BLP article have a section entirely dedicated to a company's products? Is In 2000, a jeans collection was introduced along with eyewear, shoes and lingerie lines produced under licence. Fragrances were introduced in 2005. really relevant to her life (as BLP is the stated focus of the article)? Really? I understand having notes on controversy with regards to Lindsay Lohan, just, but I'm not sure why we need this.
- In October 2014, the company relocated its flagship store to 466 Broome Street, SoHo. - wonderful. How is this relevant, or notable enough to add, to this, BLP?
- The Morgan Lane brand is now stocked in Selfridges in London - see above
- Curtis has also designed for the swimwear brand Solid & Striped, established by a friend from Cornell University Issac Ross - see above, especially as this is her daughter's company.
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- Agree with Panyd, that kind of language is not good, particularly some of the more blatant POV. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:05, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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Edwardx, it's clear that the article does have POV issues. I've restored the POV template—the talk page does have the discussion now with its transclusion of this nomination—and the issues will need to be addressed in the near future if this DYK is to succeed. I hope to see some action soon. If nothing happens in a week's time, however, then the nomination will be marked for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC) Note: fixed icon I used; should have been a slash, reiterating 97198's original icon. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- My thanks to all concerned for their diligence with addressing POV issues. I've gone through it carefully. Yes, there are still a few things that would be better covered by an article about the label itself, but until we have one, I think that those bits are neutral enough now that the POV tag could be removed. Unfortunately, fashion is a subject that is short of objective or critical commentary, with little until quite some time after the events have occurred, or the designers are dead. Edwardx (talk) 10:28, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Agree, it's fine now and a long way from the original article. The tag should be removed but I will leave it to someone else to do. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- A phrase like "leading ladies" raises a red flag for me. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- That phrase relates to her mother and three dead actresses who were "leading ladies". It is not excessive in that context. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Does this have any outstanding neutrality issues as I've taken a look through the article and above notes and simplified the sentence on expansion into Japan? It would be helpful to highlight any remaining phrases or sentences that ring alarm bells so they can also be addressed. Coming to the article afresh after some time, it looks to me as if key issues have been resolved. Libby norman (talk) 11:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Looks okay to me now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Crisco. I've removed the POV tag from the article based on your assessment. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Looks okay to me now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed now that POV issues have been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Before I proceed with the review, where was leeway given on the date? It was my understanding that the seven day rule on nominating was tightened.--Launchballer 17:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- It usually is when we have a backlog but it's up to the reviewer's discretion. I think most people wouldn't fail something for being a day late. Fuebaey (talk) 19:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. Otherwise long enough, seems neutral and contains no non-free content violations. I've moved a reference from the infobox into the main body of the text. In the olden days, it was the accepted norm to take on the profession of a parent, so for me at least, ALT1 is boring. The original hook is preferable. The image could do with being cropped down to size, with a lot of unnecessary crap which is interfering with its ability to show up well at small size. I think I could give the one day leeway on it, but I would want to see the image cropped before I approve it.--Launchballer 01:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- It usually is when we have a backlog but it's up to the reviewer's discretion. I think most people wouldn't fail something for being a day late. Fuebaey (talk) 19:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Before I proceed with the review, where was leeway given on the date? It was my understanding that the seven day rule on nominating was tightened.--Launchballer 17:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Added a cropped image. -- Esemono (talk) 23:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Ambush of the steamboat J. R. Williams
- ... that the only naval battle ever fought in Oklahoma was the ambush of the steamboat J. R. Williams on the Arkansas River in 1864?
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Created by Bruin2 (talk). 7&6=thirteen Self nominated at 20:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Driveby comment: Isn't there a rule about disqualifying any DYKs with a dispute tag on them? If the "term paper" problem has been addressed, the tag should be removed (with a relevant edit summary, of course). If not, then this article may not be DYK material.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:45, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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- The tag was apparently applied by Anomie Bot. Almost any article can be improved after more individuals have seen it, but usually readers are helpful enough to say what they find to be objectionable.I don't understand how or to whom I should address the issue of the "term paper." How does one talk to a bot? It's the first time I've encountered this problem. Is there a specific problem that needs to be corrected? I would appreciate more specificity, rather than shooting in the dark to correct it. Bruin2 (talk) 04:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Terrific hook! The idea of a naval battle in a landbound state is such a grabber. Best of all, it is cited per requirements.
- You are missing a couple of cites yet—one for first para under Background, and one for first para under Impact. While you are at it, the bare URLs for cites (1) and (2) need to be "clothed".
- However, the article does not seem to be a 5 times expansion of an existing article. This disqualifies the article from DYK. This does not disqualify it for promotion via the assessment process.
- No further check made.Georgejdorner (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have restored the "term paper" tag, which appears to have been put there by a regular reviewer/assessor, who in the course of assessing the article (see the talk page—checks were made against B-class, and two areas were found not to be at a B-class level), added the template to the article. Bruin2, to my eye, the intro, if nothing else, does not follow Wikipedia article guidelines. A term paper starts by setting the historical scene; an encyclopedia article starts out by immediately talking about the subject of the article, the ambush. This absolutely needs to be fixed if the DYK nomination is to succeed. As for Georgejdorner's review, I'm afraid there are significant issues with it even beyond the continuing misplacement of review icons (I've removed the one next to the hook, since review icons are supposed to go with the actual review, but not moved it elsewhere, given the other problems). Since the article was created in user space, and as DYKcheck notes, it was moved from User:Bruin2/J. R. Williams raid on October 5, that means it was effectively new on that date (moves from user space or draft space to article space are the official "new"/"creation" date), and it therefore meets DYK's newness requirement. Plus, at 5710 prose characters, it's well above the minimum required. Once the article has been cleaned up and made more encyclopedic, it ought to do quite well at DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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- This article was created on 8 September 2014, but not nominated by 15 September. By my reading of the rules, that disqualified it from consideration under the new article rule. The imported text of the October revisions did not amount to a five times revision when I considered that. Hence, my above comments.
- However, now that I found the proviso that articles moved from user space can be considered "new", I withdraw my objections. Please note, however, that the relevant sentence does not regard that as creation of a new article, only that it be considered "new".
- Also please note, that while I dabbled in the DYK process three years ago, I am still pretty much a rookie reviewer. Rookie or not, the DYK rules require a QPQ from me if I wish to submit my own DYKs. I do my best, with no malice intended.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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I just began a spot check for close paraphrasing with the first source, and the Attack section, third paragraph, final sentence, contains an actual copyvio: it is identical to the 31-word final sentence in that source. This will have to be fixed. When that is done, Bruin2, and you've made sure there aren't any more copyright issues, please post here, and we can check the term paper issue along with others. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I've fixed the referencing, notes, etc. Also copy edited and rewrote the lead paragraph and much of the text. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have revised the Attack section to eliminate the unintended copyvio and to avoid anything I thought might be considered too close paraphrasing. I don't see anything in the other sections that seem problematic, but woul appreciate your continuing your review. Thanks for catching these. Bruin2 (talk) 17:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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Full review needed, now that article has gone through major revisions. Reviewer should check to see whether the term paper or close paraphrasing noted earlier are still issues or not. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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New article (moved from user space). New enough, long enough, well cited article; hook is directly cited to and expressly supported by four sources, includiing Etter, Jim (June 7, 1993). "Civil War Relic Revives Story of Naval Battle". NewsOK. Retrieved September 22, 2014. Overall, Michael (June 15, 2014). "Oklahoma remembers Civil War naval battle–that's right, naval: Cherokee Confederates took a Union supply boat". Tulsa World. Retrieved September 23, 2014., and implicitly by all of the many soruces in the article.
- QPQ confirmed.
- I personally reorganized the article (rewrote the lead and made the text largely chronological), reformatted the text and added citations, modifying their format. Whole article has a proper lead, and is not a "term paper". There are citations in every paragraph, with the small exception of the first paragraph in the "Background" section. I don't know what Georgejdorner is talking about, but the articles reformatting should (I think) take care of whatever issue he saw.
- IMHO the quality of the hook is very high: interesting, very hooky and capturing the essence of the article. If one were compelled to criticize the hook, I suppose one could add that Oklahoma is "landlocked" (assuming some readers won't know that). No copyright violations or close paraphrasing. Good to go. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Alt 1 ... that the only naval battle ever fought in Oklahoma was the ambush of the steamboat J. R. Williams by Cherokee Confederate Soldiers on the Arkansas River in 1864? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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I think an independent reviewer is needed, given the extensive edits made by 7&6=thirteen—so extensive that I've added a DYKmake credit. I would like to strongly suggest that Bruin2 supply a source citation for the first Background paragraph—DYKs are generally not approved with "citation needed" templates still extant; the information there is such that is should be cited, even if DYK's rule of thumb about one citation per paragraph didn't exist. Also, if Alt 1 is to be considered, it needs review by someone else anyway. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Understood. Thanks BlueMoonset for putting me in as a creator. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 6
Regioni-class cruiser, Italian cruiser Umbria, Italian cruiser Lombardia, Italian cruiser Etruria, Italian cruiser Liguria, Italian cruiser Elba, Italian cruiser Puglia
- ... that the Italian cruisers Umbria, Lombardia, Etruria (pictured), Liguria, Elba and Puglia all belonged to the Regioni class?
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New or improved to Good Article status by Parsecboy (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 18:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Removed italics from "Regioni". Thanks for pointing that out. Oceanh (talk) 23:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Update: All six articles are GAs now. Parsecboy (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- 'Nother update: Regioni-class cruiser has been promoted to GA as well, so it might as well be included in the DYK. Parsecboy (talk) 15:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Update: All six articles are GAs now. Parsecboy (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Removed italics from "Regioni". Thanks for pointing that out. Oceanh (talk) 23:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Creation dates: Italian cruiser Umbria (October 5), Italian cruiser Lombardia (October 5), Italian cruiser Etruria (October 5), Italian cruiser Liguria (October 3), Italian cruiser Elba (October 6), Italian cruiser Puglia (October 6), Regioni-class cruiser (October 15). Nomination made on October 13 at which point several of the articles had been created before the 7 day new article eligibility date of October 6. GA promotion dates: Italian cruiser Umbria (October 9), Italian cruiser Lombardia (October 10), Italian cruiser Etruria (October 9), Italian cruiser Liguria (October 8), Italian cruiser Elba (October 21), Italian cruiser Puglia (October 19), Regioni-class cruiser (October 23). All eligible as GAs. The shortest article is 4221 characters and they don't seem to have significant overlapping text so all are eligible based on recency and length.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The image is PD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Two of the 6 ship articles have the word Regioni in 5 places (WP:LEAD, WP:INFOBOX, {{main}}, {{Regioni class cruiser}} and Category:Regioni-class cruisers). 2 have it in 4 places (not the LEAD) and 2 have it in 4 places (not the Infobox). None of the 6 ship articles have any sourced content that satisfies WP:V regarding this classification. I.e., nothing says This ship is a Regioni-class ship with a WP:IC from a WP:RS. Thus, the hook is unsourced.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you for the review. I agree with your note about sourcing. To me it appears that the hook fact is taken from Gardiner 1979. Because I do not have this book, assistance is needed from the creator of the articles (@Parsecboy:) to verify the source, and if possible modify the articles and include inline citations for this particular fact. Oceanh (talk) 23:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Parsecboy, Oceanh: It's been more than three weeks since the last review. Any progress on those sources? Fuebaey (talk) 11:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have tried to contact the creator of these articles. Will see if they are available and can contribute with the sources. Oceanh (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Gardiner actually calls them Umbria-class cruisers, for the first ship laid down (they're also sometimes called the Lombardia class, for the first ship completed - see for instance here). I used the current title because that's what the Italians call the class, and I figured they would know the official name best. It can be seen in English sources here, for example. Parsecboy (talk) 13:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Could you clarify the implications for the proposed hook. Are you scrapping the hook or the nom? Do you expect me to let the hook slide? Do you intend to restructure the articles consistently?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Gardiner actually calls them Umbria-class cruisers, for the first ship laid down (they're also sometimes called the Lombardia class, for the first ship completed - see for instance here). I used the current title because that's what the Italians call the class, and I figured they would know the official name best. It can be seen in English sources here, for example. Parsecboy (talk) 13:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have tried to contact the creator of these articles. Will see if they are available and can contribute with the sources. Oceanh (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Parsecboy, Oceanh: It's been more than three weeks since the last review. Any progress on those sources? Fuebaey (talk) 11:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I agree with your note about sourcing. To me it appears that the hook fact is taken from Gardiner 1979. Because I do not have this book, assistance is needed from the creator of the articles (@Parsecboy:) to verify the source, and if possible modify the articles and include inline citations for this particular fact. Oceanh (talk) 23:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you for providing further information about the class. Somewhat disappointing that Gardiner can not be used to support the original hook. I thought this was a practical way to join all articles into one single hook. Maybe the hook should rather be split into separate hooks for each ship (where an interesting fact is found). Here is a suggestion for Lombardia.
- ... that in 1896, the Italian cruiser Lombardia was struck by an epidemic outbreak of yellow fever, which resulted in the death of 134 men from the ship's crew?
- (This fact is taken from three consecutive related sentences, and there is an inline citation after the third sentence.) Oceanh (talk) 23:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
List of Muslim philosophers
- ... that the new development of philosophical thought among Muslim philosophers was due to treasury of knowledge left behind by the Shi'a Imams?
5x expanded by Hadi.anani (talk). Nominated by Mhhossein (talk) at 12:47, 12 October 2014 (UTC).
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I have problems with the "Authenticity" section. It is not sourced, and uses an improper tone. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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Done! Thanks to hadi.anani the above problems are resolved. Mhhossein (talk) 12:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I still do not think the tone of that section sounds encyclopedic and clear enough. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yeah you're right. I'll fix it by my self. Mhhossein (talk) 19:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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Done I checked the section. I think this section does not add to the article at all. In fact, the editor is trying to explain how the divisions were done and what references were used, which are not necessary to be mentioned and the readers themselves will understand by checking the references. Removing this section will not hurt the article. Mhhossein (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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Problem addressed. ViperSnake151 Talk 20:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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Some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of external sources. Compare for example "provides an extensive and detailed picture of Muslim theology and interpretive strategies on the eve of the modern period and is still evoked by numerous contemporary Islamic movements" with "provides an extensive and detailed picture of Muslim theology and interpretive strategies on the eve of the modern period and is still evoked by numerous contemporary Islamic movements" from this source, or "a religion (such as Islam) may be divine and unchanging, but our understanding of religion remains in a continuous flux and a totally human endeavor" with "a religion (such as Islam) may be divine and unchanging, but our understanding of religion remains in a continuous flux and a totally human endeavor" from this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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Done phrasing in this article are no longer too close to that of the external sources. Mhhossein (talk) 13:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I require a final check from @Nikkimaria:. ViperSnake151 Talk 06:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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No, there are still problems here. For example, "his cosmology and metaphysics develop a concept of God as the one beyond both being and non-being" is taken directly from this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Nikkimaria: How is it now? Mhhossein (talk) 11:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- "reexamine the fundamental texts of Islam and interpret them in light of their own cultural background" is identical to this source. At this point, this article needs a far more thorough, source-by-source check and rewrite. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Hello @Nikkimaria:. I did as you advised. Thanks for taking time. Hadi.anani (talk) 06:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Hello Hadi, perhaps you should seek out someone else to do this? There are still problems here - for example, " the challenge that religious diversity poses to religious belief" is copied directly from doi:10.1111/phc3.12007 . Nikkimaria (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Ghoncheh Ghavami
- ... that Ghoncheh Ghavami has gone on hunger strike to protest more than 100 days in detention for protesting for equal access for women at sporting events in Iran?
Created by Mrjohncummings (talk). Nominated by Plot Spoiler (talk) at 20:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC).
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New enough and long enough. Article is free of tags, disputes and obvious bias. I found one 15 word direct match from the source quoted but I paraphrased that myself. I think the hook can be worded better, in particular I think it is bad wording to use the word 'protest' and 'protesting' in such close proximity to describe two different events. How about simplifying to:
- ALT1: ... that Ghoncheh Ghavami has gone on hunger strike after spending over 100 days in detention for protesting for equal access for women at sporting events in Iran? or
- ALT2: ... that Ghoncheh Ghavami has gone on hunger strike to protest being detained for over 100 days for demonstrating for equal access for women at sporting events in Iran? Freikorp (talk) 10:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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Nominator has not responded in the weeks since the review, and a second ping has just been made to Plot Spoiler's talk page. It would be a shame to close this, but we can't wait forever for an otherwise active editor to give this some priority. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry for the delay. If you wouldn't mind giving me until Sunday but should have it ready before then. Thanks. Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sunday is fine. Please let us know if it's going to take longer than that. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:09, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry, just need a few more days. Should be able to take care of it by Wednesday. Thanks for your understanding. Plot Spoiler (talk) 07:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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I really think this nomination should be closed. Aside from the fact I don't understand why this is taking so long and i'm sick of waiting, the nomination has been open so long now that all the hooks are redundant - Ghavami is no longer on hunger-strike. We now need completely new hooks, and I don't relish waiting for that to occur since it apparently takes well over a month before existing hooks can even be looked at. Freikorp (talk) 23:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Inglehart–Welzel cultural map of the world
- ... that the Inglehart–Welzel cultural map of the world (pictured) groups countries into nine cultural clusters?
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Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 11:01, 6 October 2014 (UTC).
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Piotrus: New enough; long enough; checked references for dups; QPQ good; good hook, at least it caught my eye. Two questions: 1) The image claims to be made by Dancing Philosopher from "the author's website" (i.e. Dancing Philosopher's or Welzel's?), but I don't know what to make of the fact that a Google image search here shows that it is used in several commercial sites. Is this a problem? Could you clarify? 2) Though the article as a whole supports the hook, there is no reference directly documenting it. Could you rearrange the info into one place and footnote it there? Cheers ch (talk) 04:11, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- @CWH: I'll ping User:DancingPhilosopher and let him explain the map's history. Regarding the hook, the article lists the nine groups and they are referenced; I don't think we need anything more? I don't think its original synthesis to simply count... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:34, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Per WP:CALC, Piotrus is correct about the counting. That image copyright needs to be cleared up though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:30, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Crisco 1492: What's the problem with copyright? It is a re-creation of a map using non-copyrightable data. I think recreations of maps or graphs are usually free? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Swoops in not all the time, but ask on Commons and you'll get a quick response you can link to Swoops out PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Uh, why should I ask? Either you have specific concerns, or not. I think that this recreation is free. Nobody else makes a valid argument otherwise outside "I think it may not be so, perhaps". This is not enough, IMHO. If someone wants to counter this, nominate this image (and in fact the entire category we have) for deletions at Commons and we will see what happens, but I am not going to do so as I don't believe there's a good enough case for that. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I think the determination of copyright status is fairly clear based on the upload description of the map, which includes the sentence, "doesn't differ significantly from the map published in a journal". If that journal's copyright does not specifically allow sharing, like with creative commons, then this is basically a redrawing of a copyrighted work without the permission to do so, and the reason for the previous concern expressed by ch and Crisco. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Fair enough; how about the hook without the image and minus the word "pictured"? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Re Image: it was uploaded to Commons in 2014, but this appears to date back to 2012. Although there is not an issue with recreating graphs / maps with the same data, taking the maps themselves is a problem (assuming this 2012 date is correct). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I believe User:DancingPhilosopher mentioned to me a while back that the authors / other websites used his version of the image without attribution, but it would be best if he would comment here about this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piotrus (talk • contribs) 08:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Piotrus, DancingPhilosopher hasn't edited on Wikipedia for a month, and this nomination is now two months old. There wasn't an answer to your first ping on October 10, and DP did edit after that. I'm not sure how this can move forward under the circumstances. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset: Could you clarify what is the issue here? If someone believes that images found in commons:Category:World Values Survey are a copyvio, this is a discussion to be held on Commons, not here. I am still waiting to hear why we cannot run this hook (minus pictured) after removing the image from it? There are no other problems with the article, I believe? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 8
Herlyn Espinal
... that Herlyn Espinal, who was chief correspondent of the Honduras newspaper Hoy Mismo, was found murdered by multiple gun shot wounds on July 21, 2014?
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- ALT1:... that Honduran journalist Herlyn Espinal had serious aspirations of running for mayor of his hometown of Santa Rita, Yoro, before his murder?
5x expanded by DaltonCastle (talk). Self nominated at 19:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC).
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5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well-referenced with mostly Spanish-language sources. No QPQ needed for new nominator. ALT1 is more hooky; foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. I added some links to the hook.
- However, there seems to be close paraphrasing throughout the article; here's an example from an English-language source which needs to be rewritten in your own words:
- Source: However, PEN is concerned by reports that investigators ruled out Espinal's work as a journalist as a possible motive within 24 hours of his body being found.
- Article: PEN, the international organization for writers, expressed concern at reports that investigators had ruled out Espinal's activity as a journalist as a possible motive within 24 hours of his body being found.
- Using Google Translate, I also found close paraphrasing in the first Spanish-language source I looked up (footnote 4), and went through the article removing the copyvios. This is very tedious work for me to do. I would like to request that you review all the Spanish-language sources and make sure you are not copying the wording. Please note that any words that are lifted from a source, whether in an interviewer's question or in the response, must be put in quotes or rephrased in your own words.
- Regarding the presentation, it is interesting and well-written. However, there's a lot of discussion of the inconsistencies in newspaper reports and not many hard facts. Several of your English-language sources quote the national police chief as saying that Espinal was shot twice, but you don't mention that at all. Have there been any other developments in the investigation? Yoninah (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @DaltonCastle: It's been two weeks since this was last reviewed but no progress has been made to address the concerns raised. Are you still working on this or should I tag this as stale? Fuebaey (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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I have notified DaltonCastle's talk page that the nomination is on the verge of being closed as unsuccessful, since there has been no response here even though there were extensive edits made after Fuebaey's ping here. Because pings don't always work from here, I suggest allowing at least 48 hours for a response here before closing. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Hello all, sorry for responding late. There were some other things I wanted to work on first. I will address this page at a later date most likely. Although I've been editing for quite some time I'm relatively new to DYK. I still need to familiarize myself with some of the guidelines. Thank you for your assistance. DaltonCastle (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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DaltonCastle, while I appreciate that you're new to DYK, I'm afraid "address this page at a later date most likely" is not sufficient to keep the nomination open, given its age: the nomination is two months old on Monday. Regretfully, unless you can make a commitment to start addressing the issues soon—I see you spent time editing a different article entirely on December 4—then this nomination will be closed. I'm happy to let you have until the end of the day on December 9 to decide (or later if your next Wikipedia edit is after that date). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 9
Monsters Among Us
- ... that Jyoti Amge, the world's smallest living woman, has her acting debut in the American Horror Story: Freak Show episode "Monsters Among Us"?
5x expanded by Koavf (talk), Jack Cox (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 07:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC).
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Created just in time, long enough but I dislike the hook. Freak shows are a thing of the past or should be, and Jyoti AmgeWP:bio applies Serten (talk) 20:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I have undone Serten's strike of the hook, since it seems to be based on nothing but personal preference (not sufficient reason for rejection) and am asking for a
new review. I would like to make note, however, (pinging @Koavf: and @Shhhhwwww!!:) that the source for the hook fact does not specifically mention this episode. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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- @G S Palmer: Fixed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have undone Serten's strike of the hook, since it seems to be based on nothing but personal preference (not sufficient reason for rejection) and am asking for a
While I sympathize with the objection to the term freak show, Amge is the one who would presumably be most offended, and she voluntarily decided to take work on a show with that title. To say that we cannot mention her career choices and to second guess her own prerogative is awfully nannyish of us. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
New reviewer requested to do a more thorough review of the article (no checks appear to have been done to cover neutrality or close paraphrasing, and it would be useful to have confirmation that the hook is supported by inline sourcing), and to whether the name of the program in the hook, attached with the actress, is a BLP violation in this circumstance. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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Article spun out from a redirect, so 1500 character limit applies - which it meets. Nomination is a few hours late but I am willing to waive this. QPQ is not needed because this is not a self nom. My main concern lies with sourcing. The entire plot section is unsourced (needs to link to a primary source, as per WP:MOSFICT), as is the lead. I do not have a problem with the association within the hook. The name "American Horror Story: Freak Show" is the name of the program she willingly participated in and not a specific derogatory label applied to the actress (although for wording I would use made instead of has).
The hook however is not fully cited - the sources given for the hook fact only mentions that she'll appear in the show's fourth season and not this actual episode.Fuebaey (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)- Actually, the reference from People's magazine does mention that she'll appear in the season premiere - which this episode is. But it does also say that this is her "American TV debut" and the hook does not accurately reflect that. Fuebaey (talk) 11:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note to Fuebaey: per MOS:PLOT, the plot section doesn't need to be sourced for DYK, though it can be: The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, the reference from People's magazine does mention that she'll appear in the season premiere - which this episode is. But it does also say that this is her "American TV debut" and the hook does not accurately reflect that. Fuebaey (talk) 11:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Koavf, Jack Cox, Shhhhwwww!!: Is anyone still working on this nomination? Some areas require additional sourcing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Fuebaey: I just did what I thought was necessary. Isn't this too old for a DYK anyway? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- A nomination stays open until it's reviewed, then it can close if the nominator doesn't respond to outstanding issues or decides to withdraw. Since the nominator here hasn't been active recently, would you care to keep this open? The first two paragraphs need an inline cite. I don't usually ask for summaries to be cited but some of the facts are not cited elsewhere. Also, the source only refers to the actress' American TV debut. Could you tweak the hook to say that or propose a new one? Fuebaey (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Each section, except the plot, now has a reference --Esemono (talk) 23:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Janet Colquhoun
- ... that religious writer Janet Colquhoun objected to take a train running on a Sunday and went by horse instead?
* ... that Janet Colquhoun had blind faith in her work?
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Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nominated at 09:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC).
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New article with over 3,000 characters, interesting hook with given inline citation. QPQ done, good to go! --Khadar Khani (talk) 13:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I have pulled this hook from the queue, for the reasons described at WT:DYK#Prep area 5, two birds with one stone?. Fram (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
In an attempt to save the original hook, the article creator is now inserting quotes that never were in her books in the first place. This is desecnding into a mess that is better kept of the main page completely.[1] introduces "she concluded that "blind faith offers the only hope from the the 'bottomless pit'. She was a philantropist who was involved with several good causes and her writing notes that the "fruits of faith will be evident in good work"." Never mind the lack of a closing quote on the first "quotation", her conclusion, presented as a quote, is something that she never said or wrote, but that a contemporary critic said about her work. "Her writing notes"? No, her writing doesn't note that, again it is the conclusion from another writer. Presenting quotes as if they are her words, when they aren't, is probably one of the worst things one can do to support one's position. Fram (talk) 06:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- agree with Fram "desecnding into a mess". I think that we both need to step away as calm voices are required. Fram has already edited the article to support her position and she should realise that COI prevents her from discussing the nomination further. Her involvement is not "one of the worst things one can do to support one's position" but it is fairly desperate. It is not important whether we use the original hook as there has been too much silly discussion. However her writing notes (as a 3rd party source says) that she concluded that "blind faith offers the only hope from the the 'bottomless pit'" Victuallers (talk) 09:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- If you try to quote someone in an article, at least get the quotes right. That at least shouldn't be too hard... And your article still claims that " her writing notes that the "fruits of faith will be evident in good work".", which isn't noted in her writing, but again (though not literally as you quote it) in Hoggs... The way you have rewritten the article now suggests that Hogg quotes Colquhoun, which obviously isn't the case. And my change to the article was to make it more factual. The way you had presented the train vs. horse incident was not only badly written, but also completely incorrect. My change, for easy reference:[2]. I do love it though that if I criticize a hook and don't change the article, I get flak. If I criticize a hook and do change the article, like here, I get flak as well. I thnk I'll just continue like before in that case, and not bother too much with criticism from people whose hook got rightly pulled. Fram (talk) 10:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 10
Afternoon
... that in late afternoon (pictured), sunlight is particularly bright and glaring, because the sun is at a low angle in the sky?
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Improved to Good Article status by Tezero (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 22:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC).
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I'm not so sure about the source cited for the hook. Google books will not bring up the entire page 172 of Shelter Management for Alleviation of Heat Stress in Cows and Buffaloes for my review, but what I can see doesn't mention anything about late afternoon glare or brightness, but something about harm to livestock maybe from heat. It seems an odd source for such a piece of information. The photo also shows a cloudy sky, not bright and glaring, so seems out of place. I'm a novice DYK reviewer, so defer to more experienced eyes for this one. Article was promoted to GA and is long enough, so passes on those accounts. I'm not clear why you don't need QPQ on this, but will review. —Gaff ταλκ 02:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm concerned about citing a fundamental fact about astronomy to a book on animal husbandry. Nonspecialist sources are full of misinformation of peripheral matters. EEng (talk) 03:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed; the usual checks from size and newness to close paraphrasing don't seem to have been done. Original hook has been struck per EEng; ALT1 needs review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Reopened, reasons given at WT:DYK#Accident waiting to happen. Basically, the source is not about the agriculture industry, but a relatively small subset of it. Fram (talk) 09:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Reviewer needed to check ALT2 hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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ALT2 is a great hook, but the article is saying that there's no standard definition for when evening begins. The source says nothing about afternoon. Both this and the next sentence in the article are cited to dictionary entries, which say much less than the article does. Yoninah (talk) 00:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Was I tagged to validate these or something? They all sound fine. I apologize if the sources I used for the article aren't ideal; there aren't a whole lot of time-of-day GAs floating around so I had to play it by ear. Tezero (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Tezero:, @Oceanh: I pinged you to see if you could add an inline citation for the ALT3 hook. Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you for working with this nomination. I agree that ALT2 is a great hook, if it could be cited appropriately. ALT3 is also interesting; again if it can be properly cited. Neither English terminology nor medical studies are among the kind of sources that I have broad access to or deep knowledge about, so I am afraid I can not easily provide further sources in these areas. Oceanh (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, slipped my mind. Added inline citation. Tezero (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Charles F. Seabrook
- ... that the founder of Forbes called Charles F. Seabrook the "Henry Ford of agriculture"?
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- Reviewed: Venus of Savignano
Created by Staticshakedown (talk). Self nominated at 16:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Looks new enough and long enough, enough inline citations, and hook is cited; however I am concerned about the possibility of a copyvio from this source (43.5% according to Earwig's tool). [3] I don't feel comfortable supporting this DYK until this issue is resolved, but other than that it looks good to go (as soon as the QPQ is resolved, of course). Jinkinson talk to me 19:00, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Hold it. There's an inherent contradiction in the phrase "largest truck farm in the world". What do you call a truck farm? EEng (talk) 02:58, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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- A market garden is the relatively small-scale production of fruits, vegetables and flowers as cash crops, frequently sold directly to consumers and restaurants. The diversity of crops grown on a small area of land, typically, from under one acre (0.4hA) to a few acres, or sometimes in greenhouses distinguishes it from other types of farming. Such a farm on a larger scale is sometimes called a truck farm.
- Seabrook's "54,000 acres of land across three states and employing over 4,000 workers" doesn't quite sound like "somewhat larger". The characterization as a truck farm is from 1921, and I have a feeling it was being used there facetiously.
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- At the age of 14, C.F. was the first to use irrigation methods in farming by installing a single pipe with punched holes that fed water droplets over a celery bed in 1907.
- The first to use irrigation? Are you joking? EEng (talk) 15:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Duly noted. I will work on those parts. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 22:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Driveby comment: The irrigation reference above seems to refer to Drip irrigation. However, if you click the link, you find he was way too late to be first.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Duly noted. I will work on those parts. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 22:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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- The article now has two references that call Seabrook Farms "truck farming", and there are more.(e.g., Thomas Connell (2002). America's Japanese Hostages: The World War II Plan for a Japanese Free Latin America. Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 230–. ISBN 978-0-275-97535-7.) (Daniel M. Masterson (2004). The Japanese in Latin America. University of Illinois Press. pp. 174–. ISBN 978-0-252-07144-7.) They probably use this terminology because his father's farm was a small-scale truck farm, and it has grown since then. I also cleaned up the wording about the irrigation techniques. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 01:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Not doubting your GF, but this is completely contrary to my long understanding of the term truck farm -- it's like saying mom-and-pop supermarket. Can you quote one or both of these sources? EEng (talk) 02:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Sure, the first citation says "Seabrook Farms, made up of sixteen companies and corporations at the time, operated a truck farming enterprise and freezing plant..." and then second citation above says "...the Japanese Peruvian Crystal City internees were able to remain in the United States, where throughout 1946 most were paroled at labor at Seabrook Farms near Bridgeton, New Jersey, a truck farming and food freezing plant..." static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 13:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Not doubting your GF, but this is completely contrary to my long understanding of the term truck farm -- it's like saying mom-and-pop supermarket. Can you quote one or both of these sources? EEng (talk) 02:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
New review needed to check both hooks and close paraphrasing. Earwig's tool is deprecated at DYK, so other close paraphrasing/copyvio checks should be made, perhaps with Duplication detector or by reviewing the sources directly. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 11
Erich Sbraccia
- ... that Erich Sbraccia made his pro wrestling debut at age 14 as a "junior member" of The Brotherhood?
Moved to mainspace by 72.74.200.209 (talk). Self nominated at 22:25, 14 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I think I speak for every administrator who has ever touched an AfD when I say that wrestling articles are usually...tricky. However - though this one has a lot of inside wrestling sources, I honestly consider enough of them to be outside of the industry, or respectable secondary sources, to run with it. Can we just out and out call him a mascot though, rather than 'junior member' - because you have to AGF on the reference, but that is utterly adorable. You don't get utterly adorable and pro wrestling in the same place very often.
- Usual run-through for the next person to view it. AGF on sources, can't view any paraphrasing right this second, unlike most pro-wrestling articles, it has brevity when discussing achievements and moves. Definitely great. Just made it on timing. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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Olim le Berlin
- ... that photos of a pudding and a grocery bill under the title Olim le Berlin caused a media uproar in Israel and elsewhere?
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Created by Serten (talk). Self nominated at 20:04, 11 October 2014 (UTC).
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- The article is new and long enough.
I can not find the hook assertion in the text of the article, nor its citation.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Thats the difference between fact and aspct I presume. International Media interest and debate in Israel is confirmed and being described, as in the english Spiegel article, the website starting with bill and photo e.g. by the Guardian. I did some rewording to allow for the hook. Serten (talk) 23:18, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
New review required to check article and hook. Fuebaey (talk) 13:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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The page is written in a rambling fashion and needs a copyedit to meet Wikipedia standards. Too many issues are being bandied about – the Milky upload, the cottage cheese and housing protests, Israeli emigration, Germany's Jewish population, Berlin safety – without being put in logical context for the reader. The lead does not summarize the scope of the article at all. I suggest starting off with a Background section describing Milky pudding, the cottage cheese and housing protests, and yerida, and then launching into the history of the Battle of the Milky. Narrow your scope as well; the last paragraph under Emigration taboo seems to go off on an entirely new tangent. Walk the reader through the discussion, as many readers will not be familiar with Israeli politics or commercialism. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Dunum (Ireland)
... that the use of some placenames in ancient Ireland can be attributed to Belgic tribes, neighbours of European Celts?
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Created by RTG (talk). Self nominated at 14:46, 11 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Sorry, but per Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines#Supplementary article length rules (point 2), the "ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc." caveat at Wikipedia:Did you know#Eligibility criteria includes image captions, so I'm afraid it is too short. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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RTG, I'm getting 1501 prose characters according to DYKcheck, but there's some unnecessary repetition between the first and second paragraph material regarding Rath-Keltar/Keltair and Downpatrick. Something similar occurs in the third and fourth paragraphs. More important, the "can be attributed to Belgic tribes" in the hook is not backed up in the article, which only says "may indicated a Belgic origin". This is far less certain, and the 1841 source for this statement (which for DYK needs to be placed no later than the end of the sentence where the hook fact appears) presents this as a theory by one "Mr. Chalmers" from over 173 years ago. I don't think this is usable with that source, but could be if a modern source with that attribution is found and cited. Finally, I'm very puzzled by the use in the three Vallencey references of the "f" in words like "Irifh"; this is clearly a long "s", not an "f", and for typefaces that don't offer that archaic and space-saving character, the regular (short) "s" is the clear and proper substitute: Irish, fortress, situated, etc. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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- DYKcheck is the gold standard for DYK, having been designed to count what is considered prose characters by the DYK rules. Footnote numbers are naturally not considered prose, but spacing within paragraphs certainly is. Paragraph breaks are not considered prose characters, however, which could account for your numbers of 1504 (later 1519), and DYKcheck's 1501 (later 1516), if you were adding one for each of the three paragraph breaks.
- Your adjustment of the beginning of the second paragraph took care of the first repetition I was referring to. As you can see from my new edit, I thought it was better to combine like matters in the same paragraph rather than leave them in separate paragraphs by sources.
- I felt the Jamieson source, while fine in and of itself, was questionable support for the Belgic assertion based on the snippet you quoted; Jamieson seemed to be casting doubt on Chalmers in general, and that Belgae were Celts, which seemingly left a Belgic hypothesis on thin ground. (I've now found a readable copy online and added the link to the reference. What Jamieson is, of course, objecting to is the Chalmers assignment of Celtic origins to English placenames for what Jamieson believes is actually Belgic with no Celtic component at all.) I thought confirmation from a modern scholar seemed an ideal solution, especially since you were hanging the hook off it. When a tertiary source (Jamieson) casts considerable doubt on the accuracy of a secondary source (Chalmers), it's hard to take that older source as adequate support for a hook. More germane is that they're mostly talking about British naming, not Irish, which makes it less useful for this article about Dunum in Ireland. The one thing that seems to be clear is that the Cauci were very possibly Belgic; as you note, Jamieson seems to accept this without question. However, even accepting the Belgic, the hook's statement about "neighbours of the European Celts" isn't even in the article and must be to be included (though it could easily be dropped from the hook), and "some placenames" is very weak, if not inadequate—"Dunum" as the Cauci's chief town is the only clear Belgic example in Ireland in the article.
- As you noted, the long-s discussion is moot (MOS:QUOTE#Typographic conformity); they're all now regular "s". BlueMoonset (talk) 03:19, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- You're certainly welcome to disagree with me down the line; disagreement is healthy in Wikipedia when it gets us to better articles. My thoughts (at similar length, alas):
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- ALT1: ... that Latinised Irish placename Dunum (pictured), was given to the chief town of a Belgic tribe in Ireland?
- ALT2: ... that the name of Dunum (pictured), from early first millenium Irelands Downpatrick and Rathdrum, was the name of the chief town of the Cauci, a Belgic tribe?
- ALT3: ... that Downpatrick and Rathdrum in Ireland were recorded as Dunum (pictured) by Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD?
- ALT4: ... that Dunum (pictured) is commonly used in placenames of Ireland, Britain, and Europe?
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This article is new enough and long enough. For various reasons, I cannot approve any of the proposed hooks as they are not fully made out by the article and its sources. Can I suggest ALT5: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that the name Dunum, meaning a fortification or hill, is used in placenames in Ireland, Britain and continental Europe?
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- Added later: I have added a little further information to the article and it is now long enough. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- ^ "For, as he says, that "Dunum is the name of the chief town of the Cauci in Ireland, which is asserted to be a Belgic tribe;" it is questionable if any of the other towns, having this termination, were Celtic." ... "...places terminating in Dun, Dunum, &c. are elsewhere (p.17)claimed as Celtic, it must be evident that the claim is unjust."
- COMMENT: To quote the DYK eligibility rules: "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers." So why all the hassle about those last few characters?Georgejdorner (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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- George, this is off topic and not helping get the review done. Since you ask, however, the article was under 1500 prose characters and therefore not eligible regardless of "discretion"; the new material has put it over the minimum with 1612 prose characters, so it needs a reviewer to determine whether it meets all the DYK standards. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Tachiraptor
... that the 200-million year old Tachiraptor is the second dinosaur discovered from Venezuala, and a basal averostran?
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Created by MWAK (talk), G S Palmer (talk), FunkMonk (talk), and Jeda045 (talk). Nominated by Raptormimus456 (talk) at 13:19, 17 October 2014 (UTC).
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- ALT1 just sounds like it should be in a textbook I'm too uneducated to understand. If it's correct ALT0 looks fine, but I'm going to ping: @FunkMonk, Jeda045, MWAK, G S Palmer, Raptormimus456:. They'll know! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's a stem-averostran. But if you want a (or to) hook, you could say: ... that the newly discovered dinosaur Tachiraptor is by 25 million years the oldest known species of a branch leading to the birds? Not that Averostra itself is that branch, mind you. Birds always pique the interest of the reader.--MWAK (talk) 07:28, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 12
CNN Philippines
... that CNN Philippines is the third local franchise of CNN in Asia after CNN-IBN in India and CNN Indonesia?
Created by Supergabbyshoe (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 03:06, 16 October 2014 (UTC).
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Not the third franchise in Asia at all. There is CNN Türk, and there is CNN Arabic, which while not a TV broadcaster is also a CNN franchise in Asia. And CNN International Asia Pacific is also located in Asia and aimed at Asia and the Pacific. It may be argued that CNN Philippines is the third CNN TV station aimed solely at an Asian country, but that's not really what the hook says. And even that version of the hook would be disputable, with things like CNNj around. Fram (talk) 10:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 13
Disability in China
- ... that there are more people in China with disabilities than there are people in Germany?
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Created by Appleangel11 (talk). Self nominated at 03:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC).
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The proposal is not useable as a hook under the current rules, which are as idiotic as valid. Strike. It would work if we changed to "aspect" and !"navigation" as suggested. I would agree to do so, but ask you to support the generic rule change as proposed. The article is new and long enouigh, saw no copyvio. Find another hook and go. Serten (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
insufficient reason given for rejecting the hook. I have removed the strikethrough. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:57, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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- @EEng How is synthesis in this particular hook fine? My objection is that the hook is not directly cited. There should be a reference for the approximate number of people with disabilities in China (which has been done) and the estimated population of Germany (which isn't exactly relevant to this subject). Unless someone happens to find a source that contains both, I don't see how this goes through. Fuebaey (talk) 17:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- WP:OR allows for simple arithmetic and comparing one quantity to another, so that's not the problem here. The problem, if there is any, is that normally just grabbing two otherwise unrelated numbers and comparing them, to make some kind of point (not made in a RS) can lead to POV SYNTH and other no-nos. Here, it's just being used to give the reader an idea of scale, and though I find that kind of thing hokey in an article (especially the ubiquitous comparison to football fields -- "A warehouse as big as FIVE FOOTBALL FIELDS") I think it's OK in a hook. It's not a POV problem because no "point" is being made. EEng (talk) 18:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- It implies there are currently more disabled people in China than there are people in Germany and assumes that the statistics haven't changed since they were taken. Not that I'm suggesting anything against the nominator, but why should an extrapolated survey sampling of disabled population made in 2006 [4] be compared against a census for general population made in 2011 [5]? Surely, considering the two statistical methods are quite different (and made five years apart), it would be misleading to state this as factual. Scale is one thing but, like your football warehouse analogy, if both aren't properly defined it won't read well. Fuebaey (talk) 22:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have (ahem) a degree in statistics so excuse me a moment while I don my white lab coat. <minutes later> I am now clothed in the Raiment of Authority. Where were we? Oh yes. Well, just because the two numbers were derived in those two different ways doesn't mean it's not appropriate to compare them this way -- it is. If you were trying to make a confidence statement about the likelihood that one number was larger than the other, then you'd have to bring in the uncertainties attendant on each of them.
- Now doffing my Raiment of Authority and returning to my usual role as a normal Wikipedia editor, I agree it doesn't necessarily excite the imagination -- frankly, knowing how huge China is, the Germany comparison doesn't give the impression of a large subpopulation. EEng (talk) 00:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- It implies there are currently more disabled people in China than there are people in Germany and assumes that the statistics haven't changed since they were taken. Not that I'm suggesting anything against the nominator, but why should an extrapolated survey sampling of disabled population made in 2006 [4] be compared against a census for general population made in 2011 [5]? Surely, considering the two statistical methods are quite different (and made five years apart), it would be misleading to state this as factual. Scale is one thing but, like your football warehouse analogy, if both aren't properly defined it won't read well. Fuebaey (talk) 22:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- WP:OR allows for simple arithmetic and comparing one quantity to another, so that's not the problem here. The problem, if there is any, is that normally just grabbing two otherwise unrelated numbers and comparing them, to make some kind of point (not made in a RS) can lead to POV SYNTH and other no-nos. Here, it's just being used to give the reader an idea of scale, and though I find that kind of thing hokey in an article (especially the ubiquitous comparison to football fields -- "A warehouse as big as FIVE FOOTBALL FIELDS") I think it's OK in a hook. It's not a POV problem because no "point" is being made. EEng (talk) 18:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- But I did suggest linking to the article with the references... PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 14
Seth Andrews
- ... that Seth Andrews' (pictured) book Deconverted: A Journey From Religion To Reason documents his personal experience in leaving religion and becoming an atheist activist?
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Created by Mrs Kartoshka (talk), Nederlandse Leeuw (talk). Nominated by Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) at 15:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC).
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Articles created/expanded on October 16
Roosevelt Protected Landscape
- ... that the Roosevelt Protected Landscape was established by Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. while he was Governor-General of the Philippines?
Created by RioHondo (talk). Nominated by Innotata (talk) at 05:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC).
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Article is new enough, created on 16 October. A quick check through Word shows the article is around 1516 characters, 1794 with spaces. So barely long enough. The article seems neutral and cites its sources with inline citations. However the whole paragraph on location is based on a Google Maps image, that doesn't seem sufficient. The paragraph on Topography and ecology is quite close paraphrasing of the fourth source. Concerning the hook: it's short enough and well-formated. However, I can't find it being backed up on the sources, I don't find information on Roosevelt signing it. Also, not related to the hook but to the same sentence, I found the date 30 March 1933 rather than 30 May 1933 for creation of the park. QPQ not required as not a self-nomination. Crispulop (talk) 10:52, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Using DYKcheck it's 1781 characters. I can't check the close paraphrasing since the link seems to be down right now… I guess it doesn't say Roosevelt issued a proclamation to create the park, but it does say the Governor-General did, and he was Governor-General at the time, also I imagine it won't be difficult to find a source such as the original proclamation. I should have noticed the issue with the location section. RioHondo, if you aren't interested in providing proper references, I'll withdraw this nomination because it won't succeed. —innotata 06:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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LearnedLeague
- ... that Ken Jennings, Carter Bays, Daniel Okrent, and Anna Quindlen all participate in LearnedLeague?
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- Reviewed: Cowpuncher's Cantata
Created by Fryede (talk). Self nominated at 20:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC).
Harriet F. Rees House
- ... that the Harriet F. Rees House (pictured in 2010) in Chicago recently moved one block north to make room for a basketball stadium and entertainment complex?
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Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 19:37, 16 October 2014 (UTC).
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Good to go. Well written article. Length, newness, hook interest, verified. No plagiarism detected. One suggestion, the pdf reference from http://gis.hpa.state.il.us/pdfs/137348.pdf contains a lot of information regarding the interesting architecture of the building. It would be nice if some of those details were included in the article. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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I agree with Dr.K., and I don't think this article about a building is ready for the main page without a section on its architecture. Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I would certainly like to one day, but as far as DYK criteria are concerned, this is not an actionable oppose. We now know the date of the move. Teemu08 (talk) 17:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Per Rule D7, "Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected". Two editors have agreed that more needs to be said about the architecture. I'm sure you can find at least a paragraph of information in the NRHP sources. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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Mischocyttarus mexicanus
- ... that the nest of the paper wasp Mischocyttarus mexicanus is more dramatic than reality television show?
Created/expanded by Gaharrison94 (talk). Self nominated at 20:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC).
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I don't understand the hook, and I don't see anything about reality TV in the article. Per DYK eligibility criteria #3 (Cited hook), the fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article. Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- When you change a hook, you add it in chronological sequence to the discussion thread, rather than erasing and editing the original hook. I am adding the alt suggestion by an IP below. Yoninah (talk) 14:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that colony founders of the species Mischocyttarus mexicanus change their nesting strategy based on their environment? 128.252.128.147, 23:07, 24 November 2014.
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- This information is presented in the "Nesting tactics" subsection under "Behavior," specifically discussed in the third sentence of this subsection.Gaharrison94 (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Are you referring to the sentence It is interesting that both of these tactics are stable in M. mexicanus and it has been found that this is because each of these strategies is favorable in certain conditions, so this is an example of a context-dependent trait.? If this is to align with the hook, do you mean "environmental conditions"? (Note: Whatever you write has to be present in the source. The rest of this paragraph talks about nesting strategy based on seasons, not on environment.) Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 17
Third Extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops
* ... that Pope Francis told the Synod on the Family that the Church needs to "chart a middle course?" :* ALT1: ... that the debates at the Synod on the Family reflected a tension between truth and mercy?
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Created/expanded by Briancua (talk). Self nominated at 00:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC).
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. Long enough. fresh enough. Neither proposed hook works nor is stated / sourced appropriatedly. Recent event, that is seen by the choice of sources. I suggest some alternatives hookwise. Serten (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- My preference is still for the "middle course" hook, but if that is deemed unacceptable I like Alt 3. --Briancua (talk) 13:38, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have struck ALT2. It is inappropriate for a Wikipedia description of a recent and difficult conference. It could be reworked to name John L. Allen, Jr. as the source of the opinion, maybe, but how many readers would have any idea who he is and why his views matter? Do they matter? Aymatth2 (talk) 03:48, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed, including checking neutrality and close paraphrasing, as well as hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Anti-Greek sentiment
... that anti-Greek sentiment grew in some European countries, including Germany, as a result of the ongoing Greek government-debt crisis, starting in 2010?
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ALT1:... that an anti-Greek riot happened in 1918 in Toronto, Canada, caused by returning World War I veterans with anti-Greek sentiment?- ALT2:... that anti-Greek riots occurred in Australia, Canada and the United States during the early 20th century?
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Created by Yerevantsi (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 20:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC).
Lady Hutton
... that the ship Lady Hutton (pictured) was owned by American socialite Barbara Hutton who used it as a luxury yacht?
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Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self nominated at 20:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC).
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Not long enough (1348 characters when 1500 are required). It also needs copy-editing as there are incomprehensible parts and contradictions. Belle (talk) 10:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
The article does not include any information as to how the ship was used during World War II. Also, it sometimes uses the pronoun "it" to refer to the ship, and the rest of the time it uses the pronoun "she". Only one of those pronouns should be used, not both of them. Bahnfrend (talk) 14:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- While quite pleasing at full size, at 100px the image appears to show a large apartment building, a church, with a large mound of snow in the foreground. We really have to start paying attention to what first-slot images look like at this severely reduced size. EEng (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- If not someone else has something to add to the article I think I will withdraw my nomination. Unless Werldwayd ,GoingBatty or Yngvadottir can help me.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- The use of pronouns is OK with me and I dont care much about the use in WWII. I expanded the article, think its ok now, but I won't do the review then. Pic now with dog. Serten (talk) 06:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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... that Barbara Hutton's birthday present, the Lady Hutton (pictured), now contains a sauna? - alt2
... that Barbara Hutton's birthday present, the Lady Hutton (pictured), is now aiming to attract business travelers in Stockholm?
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... that the hotel and restaurant ship Lady Hutton (pictured) was owned by American socialite Barbara Hutton, who received it as a present on her 18th birthday?Yoninah (talk) 23:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Re_img. The img in the article (here at right) is not appropriate for presentation at 100x100 -- as I said earlier in this thread it "appears to show a large apartment building and a church, with a large mound of snow in the foreground." It would need to be cropped. EEng (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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Jordan, Jesse, Go!
... that Judge John Hodgman was originally a segment on the podcast Jordan, Jesse, Go!?
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5x expanded by Irregulargalaxies (talk), 0x0077BE (talk). Nominated by 0x0077BE (talk) at 16:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC).
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5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. The first paragraph under Format needs at least one cite, per DYK rules. I also added a citation-needed tag to the second half of the description under Momentous Occasions, which seems pretty detailed. I am unable to find the information mentioned in the article in footnotes 6, 7 (especially the words in quotes, "bailiff" and "legal counsel", which I assume are in quotes because they're lifted from the source), and 8. I agree with you about the hook; it is vague. Would it help to add "popular podcast" before Judge John Hodgman? QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thorn, Jesse; Morris, Jordan (March 22, 2010). "Young Man's Fancy with Chris Hardwick". Jordan, Jesse, Go! (Podcast) (128). Maximum Fun. Event occurs at 00:54:00. Retrieved November 3, 2014..
- I'll think about how to modify the hook. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 16:35, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the suggestion. I think that John Hodgman is fairly well-known, but I have no idea about the demographics of front-page users. He may be someone who is best recognized on sight rather than by his name, though. I could create a more tightly-cropped version of this photo of Hodgman in judge's robes as a thumbnail, that may make people more likely to click on it, once they recognize his face. I'll think about alternate hooks, though I do like this factoid as the core. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 19:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing this. I've cleaned up the "Format" section a bit. Regarding "bailiff" and "legal counsel", those are scare quotes, mostly, but they describe the roles mostly in what is now footnote 10:
Articles created/expanded on October 19
Death of Jennifer Laude
- ... that the death of Jennifer Laude is the second high-profile crime by a United States Marine in the Philippines under the PH–US Visiting Forces Agreement after the Subic rape case?
Created by Shhhhwwww!! (talk). Self nominated at 21:52, 26 October 2014 (UTC).
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Articles created/expanded on October 22
Elaine Surick Oran
- ... that Elaine Surick Oran's techniques for simulating dynamic fluid flows have been applied to phenomena as varied as the movements of fish and the explosions of supernovae?
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Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Self nominated at 15:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC).
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Large parts of the article are a copyright violation of this source. I have not looked at the other sources to see if there are similar problems. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Higher Ground (Jennifer Rush song)
- ... that before Celine Dion covered Jennifer Rush's "The Power of Love", she had previously covered Rush's "Higher Ground" ... in French?
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5x expanded by Max24 (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 19:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC).
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Church of the Holy Family, Ince Blundell
- ... that in the Church of the Holy Family, Ince Blundell, are an altarpiece and grisaille paintings by Gebhard Flatz?
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Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 15:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC).
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- ALT1... that the Church of the Holy Family, Ince Blundell, has an altarpiece and grisaille paintings by Gebhard Flatz? Johnbod (talk) 02:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Overall: All checks made. GTG. ALT1 hook preferred.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 24
Empire (2015 TV series)
- ... that Empire marks the television directorial debut for Academy Award nominated Director Lee Daniels?
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5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 04:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC).
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Good to go. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Can I make this a Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Date_requests. The show is suppose to debut in January. It would be nice if it went on the main page then.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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- ... that referee Wyatt Earp fixed the results of the 1896 Fitzsimmons vs. Sharkey boxing match when he called a foul, a decision that led to a court fight and to newspapers nationwide vilifying Earp?
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Completed QPQ review of International_Wrestling_Association_(1970s).
Created by Btphelps (talk). Self nominated at 22:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC). — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Welcome to the wonderful world of Wikipedia contradictions. No matter which conflicting source you may quote to justify your actions, the DYK administrators are going to require a cite to close every paragraph. I added "cites needed" where those are missing.
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- WP:GACR criteria 2b states that the article "provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines". For more info, consider WP:GACN, especially Section 1.2, which says, "Asking for inline citations beyond those required by the criteria, in particular, asking for "more" inline citations even though all statements in the required categories are already cited. (Inline citations are not decorative elements, and GA does not have any "one citation per sentence" or "one citation per paragraph" rules.)" If you feel like this article doesn't meet criteria 2b, please tag the places you feel added references are needed.
- (cont'd) Additionally, the cite above the block quote is formatted differently from others in article and needs a change to conform.
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- Sorry, but this is still uncorrected; also, the visible page number is "337", while text of the cite quotes "336". Also, the same nonconforming type of cite can be seen in "Fitzsimmons gets injunction".
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- Since when is the use of the {{rp}} template "non-conforming"? I've used it for years in multiple articles including for example this Good Article. The documentation for this template states, "This template is only intended for sources that are used many times in the same article, to such an extent that normal citation would produce a useless line in <references/> or too many individual ones." How else do you indicate the correct page when you use the same source multiple times? I'd like to see a link to the MOS that says this style of references is "non-conforming". I think your statement that this style of citation is "non-conforming" is overreaching within the confines of a DYK nom.
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- By "non-conforming", I meant that you have two different types of cites within the article. I don't recall seeing any article assessed above Start class with such. I am not doubting the utility of the cite form you used, though it is unfamiliar to me. In the same situation, I use a different form of multi-ref. However, I will leave it to the next editor.
- I would also recommend a cite at the very end of the lede, as today's readers are much more likely to know about the gunfight than the prize fight.
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- Also, there are bare URLs among the cites that need to be "clothed".
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- More troubling is the reliability of sources. As can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attribution/FAQ#Are_wikis_reliable_sources.3F wikis are not reliable sources; yet citations 2, 3, 24, and 25 link to such.
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- I can only find one wiki link, now Cite #3. Working on another source.
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- Cites 7, 14, 28, 35, and 36 are all linked to wikis. Coincidentally, they are all bare URLs.
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- I updated the citations you named. I believe you confused "wikis" with possible "blogs" however. But I don't understand why you describe them as a "bare URL" however. It is my understanding that a bare URL refers to a citation that displays the plain text URL in the citation, causing a CS1 error as documented here.
- To quote WP: "...self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable." And a bare URL is one without accompanying information that would allow it to re-establish a dead link.
- I updated the citations you named. I believe you confused "wikis" with possible "blogs" however. But I don't understand why you describe them as a "bare URL" however. It is my understanding that a bare URL refers to a citation that displays the plain text URL in the citation, causing a CS1 error as documented here.
- Cites 7, 14, 28, 35, and 36 are all linked to wikis. Coincidentally, they are all bare URLs.
- I can only find one wiki link, now Cite #3. Working on another source.
- Likewise, Stuart Lake is not considered reliable, even if he is in print. Later biographers have contravened almost all of Lake's book. The WP article you link to even calls it "largely fictional".
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- I agree that Lake's book has been disputed and that most experts are suspicious of it as an authoritative source. (Disclaimer: I was largely responsible from taking the original article Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshal from 1,198Kb to to 30,739Kb.) That's exactly the point. No one knew who was telling the truth, and Lake's book illustrates that continued cover up. I modified the description of the book to read, "In the much-criticized and disputed biography..."
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- I agree that Lake's book has been disputed and that most experts are suspicious of it as an authoritative source. (Disclaimer: I was largely responsible from taking the original article Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshal from 1,198Kb to to 30,739Kb.) That's exactly the point. No one knew who was telling the truth, and Lake's book illustrates that continued cover up. I modified the description of the book to read, "In the much-criticized and disputed biography..."
- Cites 6, 10, and 18 are dead links.
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- Now cites 7, 10, and 18.
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- Now cites 7, 10, and 18.
- Cites 22 and 23 are identical and should be multi-reffed.
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- Wrong title on one.
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- Wrong title on one.
- At 211 characters, the hook is too long.
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- I modified the DYK Nom wording to reflect that Earp was actually in on the fix and that his reputation was tarnished nationwide. It is 194 characters based on a character count using MS Word.
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- It's still pretty long. I supplied ALT1, which is snappier and checks in at 130 characters.
- While ALT2 is "snappier", which you appear to personally prefer, the original DYK hook falls within the guidelines at under 200 characters, and is more informative about the article content, which is not just about the fight but the controversy and public criticism that supposed "good guy" Earp was subject to as a result of the fight. I think the original hook is much more compelling.
- As it says in the DYK review instructions: "While 200 is an outside limit, hooks slightly under 200 characters may still be rejected at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." Also, there is no requirement that you summarize the article in the hook. In fact, it is recommended that you make the article a teaser by including "An unusual juxtaposition", "An unusual nickname", or "A superlative or record". My ALT1 was offered in that vein, and you are likely to have more ALTs added.
- Please note I am not rejecting your hook, just commenting on it with the hopes of increasing your readership.
- While ALT2 is "snappier", which you appear to personally prefer, the original DYK hook falls within the guidelines at under 200 characters, and is more informative about the article content, which is not just about the fight but the controversy and public criticism that supposed "good guy" Earp was subject to as a result of the fight. I think the original hook is much more compelling.
- It's still pretty long. I supplied ALT1, which is snappier and checks in at 130 characters.
- I modified the DYK Nom wording to reflect that Earp was actually in on the fix and that his reputation was tarnished nationwide. It is 194 characters based on a character count using MS Word.
- QPQ confirmed.
- The newspaper graphic can be seen in one of the sources dating from 1896. Copyright expired. Other graphics not yet checked.
- I placed the DYK nom tag on the article Talk page for you.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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- (second round of corrections) Cite 10 visibly misspells "injunction".
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- Thanks for the review and input. I'll look into these issues over the next couple of days. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 23:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- (second round of corrections) Cite 10 visibly misspells "injunction".
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- In light of new information found, I modified the DYK nom, changing "stopped the 1896..." to "fixed the 1896..." Please reassess the article's readiness for DYK. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT1 includes the above new info. You will need another editor to sign off on it. I have also gone through the article again. A bit more work is needed.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:29, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Please advise whether you want another editor to review your proposed ALT1 or not. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 20:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I think I have rendered as much help as my limited experience allows. (Five DYKs, with nine more awaiting review.) DYK rules say another editor must finish this review anyhow, because I can't approve my own ALT1. I have left some other minor items for them also, in hopes that a more experienced and "legalistic" editor can satisfy your queries. I am a bit clumsy finding all the policies bearing on DYK; I hope the next editor can link you to the relevant pages.
- I wish you the best of luck with this DYK. As much as I have read about Earp, this chapter of his life was a surprise to me—and I think it will be for a lot of readers.Georgejdorner (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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- In light of new information found, I modified the DYK nom, changing "stopped the 1896..." to "fixed the 1896..." Please reassess the article's readiness for DYK. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 25
Sunita Devi
- ... that Sunita Devi sold erotic trinkets at the British Empire Exhibition?
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- ALT1:... that Jacob Epstein's wife had Sunita Devi live with them in the hope that he would have an affair with her?
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- ALT2:... that Jacob Epstein's wife hoped that he would have an affair with his model Sunita Devi? Philafrenzy (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Not a self-nom
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 00:02, 2 November 2014 (UTC).
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- long enough, well referenced, copyvio free - please go with ALT0. It's snappier and until they click on the article not everyone may know who Jacob Epstein is (why would I care if I don't know anything about him?). Having said that, per new rules I believe @Edwardx: needs to slap a QPQ on this before I can give it a tick. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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- OK, but Alt2 has human interest with a wife wanting her husband to have an affair with a model. That's clickable I think. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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- There's also the fact that they are clearly of different races. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Tudat. I'll leave it to the passer to choose if they want that one. I just didn't have a clue who he was, or what the time period was, or if he was a philanderer - but perhaps that's a draw! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well he was an artist, draw your own conclusions! Philafrenzy (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- I wish you could 'like' edits. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Panyd: New QPQ rules came into effect on 21st November. Since this was nominated prior to that date, it doesn't require one. Care to finish this review? Fuebaey (talk) 13:37, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 26
Power League Wrestling
- ... that Power League Wrestling is a non-profit organization that holds pro wrestling shows exclusively for charity?
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- ALT1:... that Power League Wrestling is the first and longest-running "indy" wrestling promotion in Rhode Island?
- ALT2:... that Power League Wrestling was personally thanked by then Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Almond to raise money for victims of the September 11 attacks?
- Comment: Moved from Draft space on October 26
Moved to mainspace by 72.74.199.133 (talk). Self nominated at 09:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC).
Fantastic article! I admit to being confused about the dates so I'm going GF bye on that. Article is well cited, hook directly cited. Lots of length and detail. But do we need a QPQ here? Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Comment. There are also 4 public domain (Cc-by-2.0) images on WP:IFU right now. Is it possible one of these could be added to the hook? 72.74.214.15 (talk) 15:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: This is a first nom, a QPQ is not needed here. Care to finish this review? Fuebaey (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Actually, I think a QPQ is warranted, Fuebaey. User 72.74.*.* has made many wrestling-based nominations over the years—apparently, the ISP being used reallocates IP addresses quite frequently—which have to be created by someone else (in this case Mandarax) because IPs are not allowed to create templates, which is a key step in the DYK process. However, it's clear that this is the same person, and if he or she is not going to set up an account on Wikipedia, then we still ought to recognize that a QPQ should be completed each time. I don't think this has been invoked before, but it's certainly past time. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Park Casimir the Great Bydgoszcz
- ... that the Park Casimir the Great Bydgoszcz dated back from the 17th century, and changed its name five times?
Created/expanded by Wikibenchris (talk). Self nominated at 15:46, 28 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I went through and did a bit of cleaning up. It's an interesting article that's long enough, new enough, and as far as I know as good references in it, but I don't speak Polish. The hook is an AGF tick, but there are three paragraphs lacking references, including a really interesting one about WWII.
- I would, assuming referencing is cleared up, suggest: ALT1 ... that Park Casimir the Great Bydgoszcz has changed its name five times since 1615? or, if there's a source for the paragraph, my favourite fact in there is ALT2 ... that in 1943 Nazis looted the fountain in Park Casimir the Great Bydgoszcz for war purposes? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 18:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Wikibenchris: It's been three weeks since this was last reviewed but no edits have been made to the article. Are you still working on this or should I mark this as stale? Fuebaey (talk) 13:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Gravel Run
... that Gravel Run used to be on the border of Catawissa Township in Columbia County, Pennsylvania, but is now on the border of Rush and Upper Augusta Townships, in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania?
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 12:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and free of any apparent major policy issues (the article is neutral, very well cited, and there are no instances of copyright violations or close paraphrasing). The hook is just under the 200 character limit, is composed of statements that are properly cited in the article, and is (in my opinion) interesting. Also, QPQ has been done. Everything looks good to go! Michael Barera (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Pulled from prep due to issues with the hook. Aside from the fact that "Columbia County" doesn't appear anywhere in the article, the claim is inaccurate: Gravel Run was only on the border of Catawissa Township, which was then in Northumberland County, from 1785 when Catawissa was formed to 1788 when Catawissa was split, and Gravel Run was in the part that was renamed. Further, Columbia County wasn't split off from Northumberland until 1813, well after these events. This points up an issue I have with the article in general: it uses the word "historically" to create the impression of importance or a long-lasting state of affairs while shirking on detail. I expect there to be more than a brief three-year life in Catawissa when "historically" is used (and what came before Catawissa?), just as I expect more information about the mill. (I'm actually puzzled by this latter, since the source very clearly gives the full name of Henry Lacock, and states that in 1820 he had a saw mill and grist mill on Gravel Run (it may have been a two-in-one mill, but it specifically mentions both, while the article just gives his last name, mill, and "historically"). I'm puzzled as to why two bridges and a campground are in the History section, and to my mind, a Geography section that consists of four sentences in three paragraphs is an issue as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Good catch, BlueMoonset. As you seem to have a much better grasp on the intricacies of this article than I do, I'll let you take control of the review from here. Michael Barera (talk) 18:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Table of organization and equipment for an ADC company
- ... that equipment for a 100 man Auto Defense Choc company could be parachuted on 11 pallets?
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ALT1:... that a 100 man Auto Defense Choc company could be trained in three days?ALT2:... that Auto Defense Choc graduates could be organized into Special Guerrilla Units?- Reviewed: Greens Ledge Light
- Comment: The prepacked equipment for an ADC company became widely used during the Laotian Civil War and the Vietnam War. Invented by CIA agent James William Lair, the stores and curriculum proved so useful they were used by U.S. Special Forces to train Montagnards throughout Southeast Asia. The ADC system was the major source of American-backed guerrillas during the Vietnam War.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 18:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Is there any reason this article isn't simply "Auto Defense Choc". It's not a table, it includes historical notes, etc. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yes, there is. The Auto Defense Choc program began with the French, before the Americans showed up with the their equipment and Thai Special Forces instructors. CIA agent James William Lair adopted the above TO&E scheme to train 30,000 Hmong guerrillas.
- If this article did not exist, the information would have to be triplicated in James William Lair, Operation Momentum, and Operation Pincushion. Using this prepacked equipment, Lair raised a guerrilla army in two months. The concept of "instant guerrillas" as anti-communist irregulars then took hold throughout Southeast Asia, and the ADC spread.
- I have a draft Auto Defense Choc article in progress.
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This article is new enough and long enough. Going with the original hook which has an inline citation. The article is neutral and I could not assess whether there was any close paraphrasing because of the offline sourcing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Operation Momentum
... that when James William Lair founded Operation Momentum, he began the Laotian Civil War?
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:... that Operation Momentum's three day training program raised a secret guerrilla army of 9,000 in just over six months? - ALT4: ... that Operation Momentum's three day training program raised a secret guerrilla army of 9,000 in just over six months?
- Reviewed: Mercedes-Benz CLR
- Comment: Operation Momentum was such a success in hastily raising a fighting force from local populations that it not only founded Vang Pao's clandestine army that fought the Laotian Civil War, it was also widely copied by American Green Berets in the Vietnam War. Tragically, as Momentum supplied the most successful military force in Laos with soldiers from 1961-1972, it also basically destroyed the local Hmong people.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 17:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC).
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This article is new enough and long enough. The original hook is debatable and ALT1 would have been more suitable if this was a joint nomination with Operation Pincushion. ALT3 has no inline citation. I have struck all these hooks. ALT2 is interesting and has inline citations for its facts. The article is neutral but is referenced to book sources not available on line so I was unable to assess whether there was any close paraphrasing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I have pulled a slight rewrite to support ALT3, complete with cite, and reinstated it as ALT4.
- Although I always "roll my own" when it comes to writing, a reviewer still has to check for copyright vios/paraphrase. (Gad, I am such a Boy Scout!)Georgejdorner (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 27
Lens.com, Inc. v. 1-800 Contacts, Inc.
- ... that lens.com lost its trademark for the word LENS in 2012?
Created/expanded by Mjberger (talk). Nominated by Amcconachie (talk) at 21:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I'm having trouble finding a direct statement of the hook in the article -- and this hook definitely needs to cited to a secondary source, not a ruling or opinion. EEng (talk) 05:57, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- (sorry, more reading...) Well OK, in my case my confusion turned out to be due to there being two cases about this. 11-4114 is about the use of trademarks in AdWords, which I am shocked to learn went the way it did. There's lots of good 3rd material on this. However, the article is about 11-1258, which is over Lens.com's claim of trademark on "lens", which they lost. This has less 3rd party interest it seems, I guess because it's more limited in application. However, I would suggest that this, [http://www.ipbrief.net/2012/09/05/short-circuit-august-1-15-2012/ this, this and this demonstrate some level of interest and I would suggest they successfully meet the cite requirement. However, I think the hook entirely misses the point of the decision: Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that lens.com lost its trademark for the word LENS in 2012, because the courts decided that a retail website did not meet the definition of "computer software"?
I think it needs this because I provided a new ALT, right? Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
@Mjberger: @Amcconachie: I think the "citation needed" tags should be addressed before this goes to the main page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Jane Doe No. 14 v. Internet Brands, Inc., DBA Modelmayhem.com
- ... the an American court case hinges on whether the Communications Decency Act grants immunity to all web-based service providers for civil claims brought by a user for harm caused by another user?
Created/expanded by Squeekur (talk). Nominated by Maimas13 (talk) at 17:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I'm guessing that the word "American" should be in the hook? Victuallers (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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- More importantly, a link to the DYK article must be added. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:48, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Tried to repair but it could do with a new alt? Victuallers (talk) 10:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I Won't Let You Down (OK Go song)
- ... that OK Go's one shot video for "I Won't Let You Down" involves the use of the band members and dancers using personal mobility devices to create choreographed routines inspired by Busby Berkeley?
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Created by Masem (talk). Self nominated at 17:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Looks like a fairly long article to be put here and well written. The only thing I would say is that the lead needs expansion. 和DITOREtails 22:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 28
London Has Fallen
- ... that the currently in-production film London Has Fallen will have a Christmas break from November 2014 through February 2015 during filming?
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5x expanded by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self nominated at 01:58, 28 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Capt. A -- This is my second comment on a nom of yours today, and I don't want to come across as a Negative Nellie. But really -- isn't there something more interesting to say than that the cast and crew will be taking a break? EEng (talk) 05:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Actually it isn't your 2nd, it is your 3rd comment on my three DYK noms just within 30 minutes. And the hook is interesting for now, but yes there is another interesting thing about this film is that lead actor Butler is going to join filming in February, who is currently filming Geostorm. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I was just going through being grumpy to everyone, so don't feel picked on. EEng (talk) 11:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Why would I? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- You might have thought I was being grumpy only to you, and then you might have assassinated me. EEng (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hahah, might be. But I never think like that. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- You might have thought I was being grumpy only to you, and then you might have assassinated me. EEng (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Why would I? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- I was just going through being grumpy to everyone, so don't feel picked on. EEng (talk) 11:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 29
Madonna of the Book
... that Sandro Botticelli's c. 1481 Madonna of the Book (pictured) was painted using egg yolk, gold, and lapis lazuli?
Created/expanded by 7&6=thirteen (talk), Hafspajen (talk), and Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk) at 17:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
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... that Sandro Botticelli's c. 1481 Madonna of the Book (pictured), housed in the Museo Poldi Pezzoli, was painted using egg tempera, gold, and lapis lazuli? - Comment - I think the picture is most interesting. Perhaps this could be first in the queue with its picture if the promoting editor likes it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: ALT1 is better. How about Christmas? I may review later but am not in the mood for writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Side note: the hooks have been emended since Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) expressed this preference. — LlywelynII 11:36, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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Interesting article on a great painting. Hands "follow"? (not sure if that's the right term for them being parallel or what?) I don't find the "intellectual vs. loving" in the museum source. Any hook about more than the materials? Symbolism? Hands? Would be good for Christmas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- Cleanup of grammar, phrasing, and MOS compliance in the hooks. Is there some reason we're contractually obligated to mention the museum housing the painting? Otherwise, it seems to be an entirely separate hook in the middle of another (unrelated) one. — LlywelynII 11:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Gerda Arendt I was away when 7&6=thirteen nominated this. I might have forgot to add translation - never thought about nominating it either, the article is a translation from here - Spanish Wiki. A description - of a Rafael painting - like the text is talking about is here. [8] - I was away travelling - and realized that somebody nominated this while I was away - but then it happened so many things while away - I simply forgot to add that tagging, and never reflected about it later. I just posted it at Gareth's page and asked him to copy-edit it - and left. I guess it was there 7&6=thirteen found it. Hafspajen (talk) 06:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- About the intellectual part - this might cover it. [9] - The Madonna of the Magnificat (1482) and The Madonna of the Pomegranate (c. 1487). Botticelli also painted a few small oblong Madonnas, notably the Madonna of the Book (c. 1480), but he mostly left the painting of Madonnas and other devotional subjects to his workshop, which produced them in great numbers. In his art the Virgin Mary is always a tall, queenly figure wearing the conventional red robe and blue cloak, but enriched in his autograph works by sensitively rendered accessories. She often has an inner pensiveness of expression, the same inwardness of mood that is communicated by Botticelli’s saints. If the translation is not acceptable, chuck Rafael. Hafspajen (talk) 06:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- First concern: the article was moved, that's not yet reflected in this template. Mandarax for help? Second: do you have a better hook bout mother and child on possibly Christmas Day than materials and a museum? Third: was copyediting done to please LlywelynII. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Well, that's ALT "2 " and "3", yes, some copyediting was done by Victoria to please LlywelynII - and -Mandarax, true, article was moved. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed ALT2 and 3, like them (the bloody one a little better), fixed "the the", the article name, a typo, - just waiting for LlywelynII nodding and a fix of the article name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't missed them,
; they were not there before. Hafspajen (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 2
... that in Sandro Botticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), the Christ Child is holding the three nails of the cross and the crown of thorns?
- If you find that too blood-icing - try this:
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... that in Sandro Botticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), the cherries on the plates symbolize the Paradise, while the plums indicate the tenderness between Mary and the Christ Child?
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- Well, that's ALT "2 " and "3", yes, some copyediting was done by Victoria to please LlywelynII - and -Mandarax, true, article was moved. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed ALT2 and 3, like them (the bloody one a little better), fixed "the the", the article name, a typo, - just waiting for LlywelynII nodding and a fix of the article name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't missed them,
; they were not there before. Hafspajen (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I moved them down, and trust Victoria. Looking closer, the Passion symbols were possibly added later. Leaves tenderness, why not? As I don't find "paradise" in the source provided, but "blood", I go for a combination
- ALT4: ... that in Boticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), "cherries allude to Christ's blood, the plums to the tenderness of the Mother and the Child"?
- I did the review so far, but would like someone else to approve that hook, and we are open to new ones, - we still have time before Christmas, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I am good with any of the alternate hooks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- HM; but Paradise was there most surely. Where did that go? Hafspajen (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on October 30
North Lebanon Clashes (2014)
5x expanded by Catlemur (talk). Self nominated at 22:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC).
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:32, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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New enough and long enough. Article is stable and free from obvious bias. Nominator has less than 5 noms so QPQ not needed. Hook is cited. The article could really use some form of aftermath/conclusion section - according to the article the last clash was on November 5, and there's no information on why fighting stopped or what happened when it stopped, but I don't think that's an issue for DYK. I performed a plethora of copy edits to the article. This looks good to go now. Freikorp (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Research Enterprises Limited
... that in its six short years of operation after being created at the urging of General McNaughton, Research Enterprises Limited produced $220 million worth of radar systems (pictured) and optics, and became the largest employer in Toronto's Leaside area?
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- Reviewed: Forced seduction.
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nominated at 13:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC).
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- Kind of baroque hook, MM, doncha think? Maybe invest some of this verbiage in context e.g. explain it's WWII. BTW, that scary officer scowling out from the article would have been great for Halloween. EEng (talk) 05:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Hmm. Wanna just remove everything after the last comma? And the surprising thing about that guy is he's Canadian. Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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... that in its six years of operation after being created at General McNaughton's urging after the outbreak of World War II, Research Enterprises Limited produced $220 million worth of radar systems (pictured) and optics?EEng (talk) 04:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Works for me. Still need a review though... do you mind? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- And one thing... considering the first glass was in 1941, do you think it should be five years? Either one is arguable, but I think "operation" sort of implies the later. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:02, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Both hooks are way over 200 characters. I recommend the following:
- ALT2 ... that in its six years of existence during and after World War II, Toronto-based Research Enterprises Limited produced $220 million worth of radar systems (pictured) and optics?
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Caveat: the article says $220 million of "radios, radar systems and optical instruments", though from reading the source, it would appear that the "Radio Division" was for producing radar systems. I'm going to pull "radios" from the article and add an inline source citation after the $220 million sentence per DYK rules; nominator Maury Markowitz can decide whether this and the ALT2 hook is okay. (I've struck the original and ALT1 because they are indeed too long.) The $220 million in the article itself is clearly listed as Canadian (since the source is a Canadian book about a Canadian town, I would expect Canadian dollars), but I'm not sure whether "$" needs to be changed to "C$" since the context is Canadian. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Looks fine to me. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Carl Bradford
- ... that Green Bay Packers rookie linebacker Carl Bradford was coached in high school by Todd Gerhart, the father of Jacksonville Jaguars running back Toby Gerhart?
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- Reviewed: Christus factus est, WAB 11 (Bruckner)
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Church (talk). Self nominated at 05:27, 1 November 2014 (UTC).
- Note: this had sources in the form of four inline references and an external link prior to expansion, so it is not eligible for the 2x unsourced BLP exception. But that doesn't matter, because it's been 5x expanded. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 31
2004 Bass Pro Shops MBNA 500
- ... that one week after the 2004 Hendrick Motorsports aircraft crash, Hendrick driver Jimmie Johnson won the 2004 Bass Pro Shops MBNA 500?
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- ALT1:... that after the 2004 Bass Pro Shops MBNA 500, the Hendrick Motorsports drivers wore their caps backwards in victory lane to honor the late Ricky Hendrick?
- ALT2:... that one week after the 2004 Hendrick Motorsports aircraft crash, Hendrick Motorsports' cars had decals of those killed on the flight (pictured) for the 2004 Bass Pro Shops MBNA 500?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nat Berhe
Created by ZappaOMati (talk). Self nominated at 05:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC).
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ZappaOMati, no QPQ has been supplied although four weeks have elapsed since the nomination. Please do a QPQ here (and for that other even older nomination) so I can call for a reviewer. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Simon Clark (novelist)
... that Simon Clark was one of the first writers to have his own webpage?
Created/expanded by S.tollyfield (talk). Self nominated at 21:47, 31 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I don't see a cite for "first website". EEng (talk) 05:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- @EEng: It's cited here in the line, "I’m extremely proud of the fact that the Simon Clark website was a very rare thing – one of the first author websites on the planet.". Thanks, ΤheQ Editor Talk? 11:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I figured that might be the answer, but see WP:SELFPUB. Even putting that aside, this is an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary support, the internet being a really, really big place even then. EEng (talk) 12:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- @EEng: I see, but the hook says "one of the first", not the "very first". I'll try to find a better source. @S.tollyfield:, can you find an alternate hook? Thanks, ΤheQ Editor Talk? 13:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I figured that might be the answer, but see WP:SELFPUB. Even putting that aside, this is an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary support, the internet being a really, really big place even then. EEng (talk) 12:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Does not the fact that the website was archived by the British Library indicate its significance? However an alternative hook would be:
ALT1: ... that the writer Simon Clark had nearly completed a script for the animated 9th Doctor Who, who at the time was Richard E Grant, before the commission was cancelled by the BBC?S.tollyfield (talk) 14:38, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- There are a zillion reasons it might have been archived, and I have no idea whether that's because it was one of the first etc etc etc. I have no opinion on ALT1 except I don't really understand it -- Richard Grant was the animated 9th Dr. Who? What does that even mean? I won't be following this thread further -- just wanted to be clear about the original hook. EEng (talk) 15:03, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- The Ninth Doctor is Christopher Ecclestone. However the BBC made a flash animation online with Richard E Grant as Doctor Who which just sort of got forgotten when the TV series regenerated instead.S.tollyfield (talk) 17:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I don't really think it needs to mention who the 9th doctor was. So how about this? I've also linked doctor who to Dreamland (Doctor Who) which was the animated version.
ALT2: ... that the writer Simon Clark had nearly completed a script for the animated 9th Doctor Who, before the commission was cancelled by the BBC?ΤheQ Editor Talk? 21:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Fine...when is it likely that a decision might be made about this?S.tollyfield (talk) 18:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @S.tollyfield: Be patient, for the time being, you can work on other stuff. If you really want to speed it up, you can ask some active participants to look at it. Cheers, ΤheQ Editor Talk? 15:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Fine...when is it likely that a decision might be made about this?S.tollyfield (talk) 18:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed now that a hook seems to be set. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that British horror novelist Simon Clark wrote a sequel to John Wyndham's The Day of the Triffids? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. There is just the matter of a year needed in the last paragraph under Biography; in another year, it won't be "recently", so a time frame should be given. No QPQ needed for first-time nominator. ALT3 is good; I tweaked it by adding who he is. Alternatively, you might consider:
- ALT4: ... that in Vampyrrhic, British horror novelist Simon Clark reversed the romantic image of vampires, making them loathsome, repellent, and ultra-violent again? Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear User:Yoninah Thank you for your message on my Talk page regarding this page. Please note however that I am now a Retired Wikipedian. I do not edit anymore because I posted a mildly critical question at the Teahouse and as a consequence my contributions - I am not allowed to say "my work" as I have been repeatedly advised - were subject to a barrage of negative edits. One particular editor was particularly swinging in his - I assume - deletions on more than one page and he is now making deletions on this page. So it is now impossible to make one of the edits suggested as the whole paragraph in question has now been deleted. His given name "The road is long," is somewhat ironic as of course the road is made longer if everytime you build something the bigger boys come and kick it over and you have to argue with them as to why you should be allowed to build it back up again - and oh how they love to argue and are always right! The author Paul Finch could not believe how his page was changing on a daily basis and I do not want the same thing to happen to Simon Clark's page and if I stick around that is what will happen. I did not create the Simon Clark page I only tried to improve it. It is unlikely now to become a featured page which is a shame. I have found the whole experience to be a thankless and joyless one so I am now an Ex-Editor. I am again cleaning my former Talk page - please no one put any comments on the page - just flowers if you must...S.tollyfield (talk) 09:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Hail, Caesar!
... that the upcoming film Hail, Caesar! is set in 1950s Hollywood film industry, whose idea was brought by Coen brothers in 2004?
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- Comment: If ALT1 is going to be accepted, then please wait until film goes into production on November 10.
5x expanded by Captain Assassin! (talk), Sock (talk). Nominated by Captain Assassin! (talk) at 02:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC).
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- I've struck ALT0 because I neither understand what it's trying say, nor can figure out how to fix it. EEng (talk) 05:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Someone should review the nom now but it should be published after November 10, because filming will begin on that day. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:48, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @EEng: Just yesterday an announcement made by an actor that it'd begin filming in January, which was first officially set for November 10. Now what's the plan for it, should we wait until November 10 and January, or should we remove the nomination and create it again when we revert back the article? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:29, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know if you've noticed but the article has been redirected to Coen Brothers, because films aren't considered notable until principal photography has begun, in large part because these repeated delays often mean it's not going to get made at all. I'm not sure what to advise you at this point, sorry. EEng (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC) P.S. And sorry, too, that several of your noms seem to have been on the receiving end of my DYK-grumpiness of the last day or two.
- So, should we delete the nomination at all or wait until January? It's just 2 months to hold up the review. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:42, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know if you've noticed but the article has been redirected to Coen Brothers, because films aren't considered notable until principal photography has begun, in large part because these repeated delays often mean it's not going to get made at all. I'm not sure what to advise you at this point, sorry. EEng (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC) P.S. And sorry, too, that several of your noms seem to have been on the receiving end of my DYK-grumpiness of the last day or two.
- @EEng: Just yesterday an announcement made by an actor that it'd begin filming in January, which was first officially set for November 10. Now what's the plan for it, should we wait until November 10 and January, or should we remove the nomination and create it again when we revert back the article? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:29, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, a reviewer is needed here. Film's shoot is confirmed to start on November 10. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 1
The Letter (video game)
- ... that reviewers questioned whether the extremely poorly received 2014 horror game The Letter should be sold on the Nintendo eShop?
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Created by EditorE (talk). Self nominated at 03:42, 2 November 2014 (UTC).
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New (2nd), long enough, neutral, no overt copyvio found via spot check, QPQ needs to be revisited—not a full review. There is no citation that the game received "extremely poor" reviews, but that it was one of Metacritic's lowest-rated games. You can use that. And only one review of the three cited appears to say anything about not selling it on the shop. Also I'm not sure that site is reliable—it doesn't appear to have editorial control. See WP:VG/RS. Furthermore, that sentence looks like original research as stated. Be sure that only the sources that verify the sentence's claims are linked, and that they're attached directly to their claims. No hyphens after -ly adverbs. Rephrased hook. Please ping me if I don't respond. czar ⨹ 19:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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A few other issues: many of the sources used are not reliable. They need to be vetted at WP:VG/RS or abandoned. The article could also use a copyedit, perhaps through WP:GOCE as its prose is sloppy and this would be linked on the front page. The gameplay section is generally cited, though I see that it's mostly plot. Even still, it's a brief plot, so is there no source available? There is also excessive quoting that can be effectively paraphrased. Needs a bit of work, but nothing insurmountable. czar ⨹ 19:13, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I'm sorry, but what sources did you find "unreliable"? They all look fine to me. Also, considering this is a game article, a source would usually not be necessary for plot summary considering a reader could go play the game as a source. Also, I'm finding no way to paraphrase the long quotes. 和DITOREtails 20:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- In decreasing order of concern: Wii U Daily (as mentioned above), Gamnesia (no fact-checking oversight, no expertise required), Wii's World (fine for now it's an interview, but otherwise wouldn't be reliable), Pure Nintendo (has no editorial policy, though it was in print briefly, hasn't been vetted by WPVG), and Cubed3 (situational source, mixed opinions at WPVG). Basically, better sourcing should be preferred, if available. And if you think the aforementioned sources have a reputation for reliability, it's worth running them past WP:VG/RS, where WPVG maintains a list of vetted sources. I know how the plot sourcing works, but I asked if there was really no sourcing available since the section is so short. Shouldn't be a big deal to source it, but if you're totally opposed, forget it. If you're having trouble paraphrasing, perhaps seek out WP:GOCE? At least half of the quotes are easy candidates for paraphrase, but it's excessive in the current draft. czar ⨹ 21:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Nat Berhe
... that New York Giants safety Nat Berhe is the first Eritrean player to be drafted into the NFL?
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5x expanded by Church (talk). Self nominated at 06:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC).
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Long enough, nom'd within 5 days of expansion, sources check out fine, hook cited, passes WP:NGRIDIRON since he's played in a regular season game, good to go. Zappa(5–7)Mati 23:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
The hook is incorrect. Per the article and source, it should be:
- ALT1: ... that New York Giants safety Nat Berhe is the first player of Eritrean descent to be drafted into the NFL?
- The first paragraph under San Diego State University needs a cite, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, I've been out of town the last few days. I'll fix the problems in the next several hours when i'm back home. --Church Talk 06:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 2
Johan Hjalmar Théel, Elpidia glacialis
- ... that Johan Hjalmar Théel discovered the sea cucumber Elpidia glacialis while on an expedition searching for the Northeast Passage?
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- Reviewed: Nobelium
- Comment: The nomination I reviewed is a double hook
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 06:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC).
Yongin–Seoul Expressway
- ... that Yongin–Seoul Expressway is the only South Korean expressway without any junctions?
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Created by -revi (talk). Self nominated at 16:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
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- But you do need a source, both for "no junction" and for "only". EEng (talk) 06:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @EEng: I tried to find source for them, but only thing I found is 1) Non-free, (written in Korean) image from Korea Expressway that lists all expressways of South Korea, indicating only this expressway has no junction, and 2)another non-free, Korean-written image on operators' site that this expressway has no junction. Any other google query related to this expressway mentions connection with Gyeongbu Expressway in 2018 (which is already cited). — revimsg 08:59, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @-revi: Non-free sources are acceptable. I'd recommend splitting footnotes from references (see for example Piotr Skarga). References 6 and 7 could use an ur and the Korean titlel. Other references to Korean sources need to have tha author names in Korean and the Korean title in English (in other words, both the author and title should be in both languages). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Zac MacGuire
- ... that when Charlie Clausen joined Home and Away as Zac MacGuire, he had to give up recording his podcast TOFOP as Seven Network deemed it a conflict of interest?
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- Reviewed: Claudia Burton Bradley
- Comment: Please feel free to tweak the hook, or suggest another.
Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nominated at 02:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC).
El drama del 15 de octubre, Di Domenico brothers
- ... that El drama del 15 de octubre, directed by the Di Domenico brothers, uses the assassins of Rafael Uribe Uribe to reconstruct his murder?
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- ALT1:... that riots caused by El drama del 15 de octubre led the Di Domenico brothers to cut the most controversial elements of the film?
- ALT2:... that despite previous controversy, El drama del 15 de octubre, directed by the Di Domenico brothers, was later considered to be a blockbuster?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Carolina Norén and Template:Did you know nominations/Nguyen v. Barnes & Noble, Inc.
- Comment: Potentially File:Los hermanos di Domenico, en Gran Cinema Olimpia.png could be used as an image for the directors, but it would have to be pointed out that left is Vincenzo, right is Francesco, and the man in the centre is their cousin.
Created by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nominated at 18:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 3
Andries Jan Pieters
- ... that Andries Jan Pieters, the last person to be executed by the Netherlands, might otherwise have been executed for desertion by the Germans?
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- Reviewed: Roosevelt Protected Landscape
- Comment: I'm struggling a bit with how to formulate this one for the hook, not sure if it currently is ok. The most interesting fact I think is that though he was executed for war crimes by the Netherlands but might otherwise have been executed for desertion by Nazi Germany, which was on the opposing side in the war. At least that is what the journalist claims. Hook reference is in Dutch, it's this sentence: "Pieters had van de Duitsers ook de kogel gekregen, maar dan voor desertie."
Created by Crispulop (talk). Self nominated at 15:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
Lo Nuestro Award for Urban Artist of the Year
- ... that American rapper Pitbull won the Lo Nuestro Award for Urban Artist of the Year the same year he peaked for first time at number-one in the Billboard Hot 100 in the United States?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nominated at 20:55, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Reviewed: Titanica. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Arthur R. Hoard House, Horace B. Willard
- ... that the Arthur R. Hoard House (pictured) in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin, was home to state assemblyman Horace B. Willard and two mayors?
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Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 22:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC).
Murders of Sumarti Ningsih and Jesse Lorena
- ... that a former banker has been charged with the murders of two Indonesian women in Hong Kong?
Created by Kinkreet (talk). Nominated by Annas86 (talk) at 06:44, 4 November 2014 (UTC).
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It is never a good idea to highlight such a recent dramatic case on the mainpage, for WP:BLPCRIME reasons. Looking at the article, I have serious misgivings about it. Something like "the day their relationship ended because 'his reaction was so extreme'." is sourced immediately afterwards to [10]. The quoted text "his reaction was so extreme" is not in that source though. It seems to be quoted in other sources, but for this kind of article, the quality has to be impeccable. A throwaway line like "Jutting's mental stability is in question." needs elaboration and above all decent sourcing. Fram (talk) 15:31, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Charles Buckles Falls (artist)
- ... that Charles Buckles Falls' signature of an "f" within a black, square box became so well recognized that he was eventually able to drop the "f" from the square entirely?
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- ALT1:... that Charles Buckles Falls worked as an illustrator for the Division of Pictorial Publicity during World War I (poster pictured) before becoming a children's author?
- Comment: This is only my second DYK
Created by Dquinlan27 (talk). Self nominated at 21:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC).
Howard Llewellyn Swisher
... that Morgantown, West Virginia businessman and real estate developer Howard Llewellyn Swisher (pictured) co-authored a history of his native county and edited The Ghourki literary journal?
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- Reviewed: Bertie Louis Coombes
- Comment: Please feel free to suggest alternative hooks, as there is a lot of notable information in this article to work with.
Moved to mainspace by Caponer (talk). Self nominated at 16:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC).
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This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations but the sources are not available to me so are accepted in good faith. The image is in the public domain, the article is neutral and I was unable to check for close paraphrasing because the sources are largely offline. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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... that prominent West Virginia businessman and real estate developer Howard Llewellyn Swisher (pictured) also wrote poetry and short stories? - ALT2: ... that West Virginia businessman and real estate developer Howard Llewellyn Swisher (pictured) also edited a literary journal in which he referred to himself as "Chief of the Tribe"? Yoninah (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Colonia Dignidad (film)
- ... that the film in-production Colonia Dignidad is inspired by a true story about a German woman tries to rescue her husband, who was kidnapped by General Augusto Pinochet's secret police DINA?
Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self nominated at 02:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC).
Length, newness, cites, hook all good. Do we need a QPQ? Also suggest shorter hook: Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Colonia Dignidad tells the story of a German woman's attempts to rescue her husband, who had been kidnapped by General Augusto Pinochet's DINA?
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QPQ needed, user has 18 DYKs. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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- QPQ requirement is fulfilled. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:35, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Review needs completion (ALT1 should be checked) now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 4
Comoros at the 2008 Summer Olympics
- ... that while competing for Comoros at the 2008 Summer Olympics, Mohamed Attoumane finished over five seconds behind another competitor in a 50 metre race but still beat six athletes?
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- ALT1:... that while competing for Comoros at the 2008 Summer Olympics, Mohamed Attoumane finished over five seconds behind another competitor in a 50 metre race?
- ALT2:... that while competing for Comoros at the 2008 Summer Olympics, Mohamed Attoumane finished last in his 50 metre swimming heat and his time was over eight seconds slower than the round's fastest?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Benny Friedman (singer)
Improved to Good Article status by NG39 (talk). Self nominated at 08:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
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- ALT3:... that Feta Ahamada was Comoros's first female Olympic flag bearer at the 2008 Beijing Games? -- Ianblair23 (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks Ianblair23. I like your ALT. I'll do a QPQ within a day or two. - NG39 (Used to be NickGibson3900)Talk 04:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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@Nick: as per this discussion, because I have introduced a new fact, another reviewer is required. -- Ianblair23 (talk) 11:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes ? Nick (talk) 11:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry wrong Nick! -- Ianblair23 (talk) 21:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes ? Nick (talk) 11:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ianblair23: I have reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Benny Friedman (singer). Please continue with the review. - NG39 (Used to be NickGibson3900)Talk 08:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Slight format on ALT3:
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- ALT4:... that Feta Ahamada was the first female Olympic flag bearer for Comoros, at the 2008 Summer Olympics?
- ALT5:... that only three athletes competed for Comoros, at the 2008 Summer Olympics?
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The Elder Statesman (brand)
- ... that Greg Chiat founded luxury brand The Elder Statesman after receiving a cashmere blanket as a gift?
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- Reviewed: 7th of 7 QPQs against Template:Did you know nominations/Tootie Perry
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 00:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Notability guidelines met, hook and length fine but lead needs to be expanded to summarise contents of the article. 03md 20:23, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Public image of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
- ... that Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner used widow clothing for three years and a month?
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- Reviewed: Operation Triangle
Moved to mainspace by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 15:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 5
Death of Benito Mussolini
- ... that there are theories about the death of Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist dictator?
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- ALT1:... that Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist dictator, was executed?
- ALT2:... that death of Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist dictator, has been debated in Italy, but a theory by Walter Audisio, the communist partisan, of his execution has been largely accepted elsewhere?
- Reviewed: Sahara Sue
- Comment: Not a self-nomination. Don't hesitate to create another ALT hook.
Created by DeCausa (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 00:51, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
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- An ALT3:... that after Mussolini's death, his body was stolen and went missing for four months? DeCausa (talk) 08:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT3a:... that after the death of Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist dictator, his body was stolen and went missing for four months? <George Ho 08:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)>
- ALT3b:... that after Benito Mussolini's—the Italian fascist dictator's—death, his body was stolen and went missing for four months?
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- ALT4a:... that after the death of Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist dictator, his body was stolen but was found four months later minus a leg? <George Ho 09:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)>
- ALT4b:... that after Benito Mussolini's—the Italian fascist dictator's—death, his body was stolen but was found four months later minus a leg?
- Or, to spice it up more ALT4: ... that after Mussolini's death, his body was stolen but was found four months later minus a leg? DeCausa (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Bathycrinus aldrichianus
- ... that a lily grows several miles below the surface of the North Atlantic?
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Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 06:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
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Review: This newly created self-nominated article is long enough with cites throughout. It has a nicely "hooky" hook at 111 characters; however the hook is not explicitly given in the text, nor is there the requisite cite at the end of the hook's sentence.
- Random checks for copyright vio reveal only downstream duplications (i.e., copies of this article). QPQ checks out. The article is NPOV. There is no BLP involved. With some textual rewrite to accommodate the hook, this article should be GTG.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The relevant sentence in the article (which has an inline citation to a reliable source) starts "Its depth range is from about 3,340 to 5,800 metres (10,960 to 19,030 ft),". Now 3340 metres is about two miles and 5800 metres is about 3.3 miles, and I think several miles is a reasonable way of stating this. However, we could instead have:
- ALT1 ... that lilies grow two or three miles below the surface of the North Atlantic? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:27, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I do believe you are misunderstanding the problem. There is no doubting the facts presented. The problem is in the method of presentation. To quote the DYK rule: "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact." Conform your hook to that, and you are GTG.Georgejdorner (talk) 23:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The sentence in question refers to meters, not miles; it is unreasonable to expect a reader to translate one to the other to verify your hook. That sentence also casts doubt on the very fact in your hook...to quote, "some of the greater depths are questionable". This article is not GTG.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think a hook with a depth of 2 to 3 miles is much better than one with 3,340 to 5,600 metres (10,960 to 18,370 ft). By converting the distance into miles we are helping the reader appreciate the depth involved. As for your other point, the source gives about 10 locations but at some of these only stem fragments were found, casting doubt on whether the crinoid actually lived there. The depth range now given in the article applies to complete specimens and I have removed the "questionable" sentence. The depths are on page 663 of the source if somebody wants to check them. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- The sentence in question refers to meters, not miles; it is unreasonable to expect a reader to translate one to the other to verify your hook. That sentence also casts doubt on the very fact in your hook...to quote, "some of the greater depths are questionable". This article is not GTG.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- I was referring to sentence two in the Distribution section. This sentence has an inline citation. In case you are talking about mention of the North Atlantic, I have changed the punctuation of the article to combine the first two sentences of that section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:07, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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New review needed after over two weeks. Note that the original "X" icon was not appropriate, as it is intended for articles that have little or no hope of meeting DYK requirements, something clearly not the case given the original review wording. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Adah Robinson
- ... that controversy still exists over whether Adah Robinson or Bruce Goff deserves the primary credit for designing Boston Avenue Methodist Church (pictured) in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
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Created by Bruin2 (talk). Self nominated at 21:47, 9 November 2014 (UTC).
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- It does not appear to be a new article as it was started October 25 and submitted for DYK on November 9 = 16 days later. If it is a 5 times expansion, it would have to be from November 2 (7 days prior) when the article was 6890 characters. That means the article has to be at least 34,450 characters in size to qualify as an expansion. The article is about 7600 characters today = way short to qualify as a FIVE times expansion. As a new article the deadline was November 1 as the last day to submit for a new article. See qualifications:
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Maybe I missed something = otherwise it does not qualify as a DYK because of time limit.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Good to Go! Hook referenced. Meets all DYK requirements as a new article. I think I see my error. It was moved to mainspace on November 5 = therefore qualifies as new. Picture is copyright free.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
CBSN
- ... that CBS News's online news channel was designed primarily for younger viewers and their internet-connected devices?
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- ALT1:... that prior to its official launch, The New York Times likened CBS News's online news channel to a video-based version of all-news radio?
- ALT2:... that CBSN is not specifically intended to compete against other U.S. cable news channels?
- Reviewed: List of Muslim philosophers
Created by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nominated at 18:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
Scottish art in the nineteenth century
- ... that David Wilkie, a nineteenth century Scottish artist, was the key figure in the development of British genre and orientalist art (genre painting pictured)?
Improved to Good Article status by Sabrebd (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 04:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
Archaeology of Igbo-Ukwu
- ... that the archaeology of Igbo-Ukwu in Nigeria revealed bronzes (example pictured) dated to the 9th century AD comparable to the finest rococo jewelry and more advanced than European bronzes of the same period?
Improved to Good Article status by Ochiwar (talk). Self nominated at 08:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC).
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Overall: Offline sources accepted AGF. I've reviewed the article, but need another editor to sign off on my proposed alt below. --¿3family6 contribs 16:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
ALT 1 ... that archaeology of Igbo-Ukwu in Nigeria unearthed bronzes (example pictured) which are among the most technically accomplished and inventive castings ever made?
ALT1 verified at 183 characters. Previous reviewer's results accepted in good faith. GTG.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
ALT 2 ... that archaeology of Igbo-Ukwu in Nigeria unearthed bronzes (example pictured) ranked among the most inventive and accomplished castings ever made?
Articles created/expanded on November 6
Israel College of the Bible
- ... that Israel College of the Bible partners with local authorities to distribute food to the poor and elderly in the city of Netanya?
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Created by HanniChilds (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 18:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough. However, the article largely relies on the college's own website. Israel Today is a free throwaway, and only Arutz Sheva and Maariv are acceptable secondary references, though they only describe the opposition to the school. The page needs more independent references to prove notability. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT1 ... that Israel College of the Bible offers both international and Hebrew Bachelor of Theology degrees? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- The Asia Theological Association source is just a school listing; it does not prove notability. I also thought a college was intrinsically notable, but that's not the message I've gotten from years of participation in AFDs for yeshivas. Without significant coverage in secondary sources, it does not pass WP:NSCHOOL or WP:GNG. If the page creator does not add more independent references, I'll nominate it at AFD. Yoninah (talk) 09:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- My only interest in this article is that I accepted it at AfC. The idea that a college that runs degree courses is not intrinsically notable seems strange to me. I have supplied a further outside source (the Asia Theological Association) and removed your notability tags, and in case you don't care for my original hook, I suggest ALT1
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Satellite Kite, Instruments of Mercy
- ... that the albums Satellite Kite and Instruments of Mercy earned Beautiful Eulogy a status as one of the most innovative hip-hop acts in Portland, Oregon?
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Created by 3family6 (talk). Self nominated at 05:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
Mandatory Fun
- ... that "Weird Al" Yankovic's 2014 album Mandatory Fun is his first Billboard 200 #1 hit in his 32-year career?
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- Reviewed: (need to QPQ)
- Comment: I (Masem) will handle any DYK issues including QPQ, but want to credit major contributor Jhsounds as helpful.
Improved to Good Article status by Masem (talk), Jhsounds (talk). Nominated by Masem (talk) at 18:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 7
Overwatch (video game)
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ALT1:... that according to Blizzard's Chris Metzen, Overwatch was designed to promote teamwork and not feel as "cruel" as other first-person shooters?ALT2:... that the characters of Overwatch are designed to provide diverse representations of gender?- ALT3: ... that Overwatch contains elements from Blizzard's cancelled MMORPG, Titan, but is otherwise unrelated?
Created by Andrei Anghelov (talk). Nominated by ViperSnake151 (talk) at 21:36, 8 November 2014 (UTC).
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New (7th), long enough, neutral, no copyvio found via spot check (though the article does have excessive quoting and needs more paraphrase), QPQ needed as a significant contributor to the article (complete restructure/rewrite) with five+ previous noms. Struck the second hook, which comes from a quoted allusion and not a statement. Also striking ALT2 as not confirmed within the source text (should be noted if it's hidden somewhere in the promo videos). MAIN preferred over ALT3. Please ping me if I don't respond. czar ⨹ 18:54, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Changes made. ViperSnake151 Talk 23:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- @ViperSnake151, (ping was mainly for the QPQ, but) re: "was stated as being intended to portray diverse"—where was that in the source? czar ⨹ 00:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed again. Also, the wording of the QPQ rule does not imply this. Its use of "expanded" refers to 5x expansion scenarios, and this article was not created by me. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
You had at least one substantial cleanup edit, but I'll leave the call on the QPQ requirement to the closer. I don't think it's a big deal and this nom was clearly intended as a non-self-nom czar ⨹ 04:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed again. Also, the wording of the QPQ rule does not imply this. Its use of "expanded" refers to 5x expansion scenarios, and this article was not created by me. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- @ViperSnake151, (ping was mainly for the QPQ, but) re: "was stated as being intended to portray diverse"—where was that in the source? czar ⨹ 00:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Trout & Salmonid Collection at Montana State University
- ... that the Trout & Salmonid Collection at the Montana State University Library contains over 11,000 volumes related to the study of trout, salmon and other salmonids?
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Moved to mainspace by Mike Cline (talk). Self nominated at 15:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
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While a very interesting article, and one that is well written and carefully referenced, this nomination unfortunately does not meet the DYK requirements for expansion length. The article itself predates the nomination by a couple of months, and while it was substantially expanded in the two days immediately preceding its nomination, said expansion was roughly by a factor of two, not five (from 3,219 to 6,443 characters, by my admittedly unscientific count). Also, note that this article is not a BLP that was completely unreferenced before expansion (which would qualify for DYK with just 2x expansion; all other expanded DYK nominations need to witness 5x expansion). Considering this issue, I just don't think there is a way to get this nomination up to DYK standards. I'm sorry, Mike. On the brighter side, I did really enjoy reading the article. Michael Barera (talk) 03:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)Please note: this incorrect first assessment has been scratched and replaced by my second review at the bottom of the page. Michael Barera (talk) 17:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: @Michael Barera - Incorrect assessment of the creation date. The article was moved from user space on Nov 7, thus Nov 7 is the creation date for DYK purposes, not the date it was created in the user space. [11] 5X expansion does not apply here. Please re-evaluate based on Nov 7 creation date. (See rule 1d under eligibility criteria) Thanks. --Mike Cline (talk) 08:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry about my mistake, Mike. I've gone ahead and given the article and nomination a full review. The article is long enough, new enough (moved to the mainspace on November 7, the day of the nomination), and free of most core policy issues (it is neutral, well written, generally well cited, and free of any apparent copyright violations or close paraphrasing). There are a few references that are books to which I do not have access, so I am accepting them in good faith. One issue, though, is that there is a whole section that is not cited ("Highlights"), as well as another that is partially uncited ("Related initiatives").
- The hook is short enough, cited in the article, and interesting (at least in my opinion). Furthermore, QPQ has been done. Once the "Highlights" and "Related initiatives" sections are fully cited with footnote citations, I'll be more than happy to pass this article (again accepting a few of the book references in good faith). Thanks for your patience with my mistaken first review (which I have now scratched). Michael Barera (talk) 17:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 8
Byzantine–Bulgarian war of 894–896
- ... that in the aftermath of the Byzantine–Bulgarian war of 894–896 the Magyars were forced to migrate westwards in the Pannonian Basin where they established the powerful Kingdom of Hungary?
Created by Gligan (talk). Self nominated at 13:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
Habershon and Fawckner
- ... that between 1875 and 1899 the architecture firm Habershon and Fawckner designed and laid out Cardiff's working class suburb of Splott?
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Created by Sionk (talk). Self nominated at 18:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
Opernhaus am Taschenberg
- ... that the opera house for the Dresden court, Opernhaus am Taschenberg (pictured), opened in 1667 and was dedicated as a church in 1708?
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 17:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
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Length, date verified. One of the hook's refs is offline and it is AGF; the other hook's ref is in German language and also AGF. No apparent close paraphrasing issues. Please add a ref to the Location paragraph. All other non-lede paragraphs have refs and all appear to be RS. Images are from Commons. QPQ done. Gerda Arendt, please ping me when you'd like me to finish off this review. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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Ros Pesman
- ... that Ros Pesman was the first female Challis Professor of History at the University of Sydney?
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Created by Whiteghost.ink (talk), M.O.X (talk). Nominated by Whiteghost.ink (talk) at 05:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
Stephen Gill Spottswood
- ... that in 1970 NAACP chairman Stephen Gill Spottswood publicly termed the Nixon administration's social policies as "anti-black"?
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- ALT1:... that NAACP chairman Stephen Gill Spottswood said Richard Nixon "made it a matter of calculated policy to work against the needs and aspirations of the largest minority of its citizens"?
Created by Rhododendrites (talk). Self nominated at 21:11, 9 November 2014 (UTC).
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- This is only my second stab at DYK, and the first time creating the nomination page myself, so my apologies if I made a mistake. I'm also not sure if there are rules about the political content or tone of these. I chose factual statements referring to what he said rather than e.g. "he criticized Nixon's anti-black policies", of course, but beyond that I wasn't sure. I'm also not sure of the image -- I just uploaded that image to go with the article, but it's probably too confusing to include as it's with a different president from the one the hook talks about (and it's frankly not a great picture of the subject -- just the only one I could find with proper licensing). Anyway, looking forward to feedback. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a cropped version of the photo, which may be more suited to this DYK. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I had started to do that, but it's just such a bad picture of him (mid-blink, with a half-grin/half-grimmace) I figured the action around him added enough interesting historical context to make it useful. I suppose it is better if we're talking about him rather than about his life['s events], though. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Animal Land
- ... that Animal Land won the 37th Kodansha Manga Award for Best Children's Manga?
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- ALT1:... that Makoto Raiku uses animals to give Animal Land a comical bit while handling with "difficult themes"?
- ALT2:... that a reviewer said Makoto Raiku uses the Animal Land 's animals as metaphor to humans in order to deal with "the darker side of societies"?
Created by Gabriel Yuji (talk). Self nominated at 14:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC).
Bob Fitch
- ... that discus throw world record breaker Bob Fitch created his own throwing technique and wrote a university thesis on the subject?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nominated at 13:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC). Reviewed 1978 Sikh-Nirankari clashes
Trent from Punchy
- ... that there were "countless" debates over the authenticity of Trent from Punchy?
- ALT1: ... that Trent from Punchy has so many birds after him?
- ALT2: ... that Trent from Punchy claims that "so many birds" are after him?
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- Reviewed: Blastophaga psenes
Created by Freikorp (talk). Self nominated at 11:25, 8 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 9
Mit Fried und Freud (Buxtehude)
... that Dieterich Buxtehude (pictured) combined as funeral music for his father the new lament Klag-Lied with Mit Fried und Freud, written earlier for Menno Hanneken?
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 18:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
- The article is about two compositions combined. I gave it some consideration and then moved from one to the other, because that one, Mit Fried und Freud, is used in publications, the title of the older piece used for both. (The other is shorter, used in the French Wikipedia and less German.)
- ALT1: ... that Dieterich Buxtehude (pictured) combined as a funeral music for his father the earlier Mit Fried und Freud, composed for Menno Hanneken, and a new lament Klag-Lied? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerda Arendt (talk • contribs) 13:53, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Vanajan Autotehdas
- ... that Vanaja lorries were produced 260 types, of which 116 types were only made one or two units?
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- ALT1:... that Vanajan Autotehdas produced lorries with 4×4+2 layout?
- ALT2:... that Patria AMV vehicles are produced in former premises of Vanajan Autotehdas?
- ALT3:... that Vanajan Autotehdas produced one-off lorries according customers' wishes?
- Comment: Recently gained GA status.
Improved to Good Article status by Gwafton (talk). Self nominated at 20:26, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
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1996 Silver Spring, Maryland, train collision
- ... that the 1996 Maryland train collision led to the creation of the first comprehensive federal rules for passenger car design in the United States?
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- ALT1: ... that the 1996 train collision in Silver Spring, Maryland, led to the creation of the first comprehensive federal rules for passenger car design in the United States?
- Reviewed: Rutgers Scarlet Knights field hockey
Improved to Good Article status by Mackensen (talk). Self nominated at 01:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
Can't Stop the Love (Neon Jungle song)
- ... that Neon Jungle's "Can't Stop the Love" invited participation from fans?
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Created by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 20:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC).
This article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral and I didn't detect any close paraphrasing. I don't think the hook is satisfactory however (the song can't issue an invitation). I suggest ALT1
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- ALT1 ... that fans were invited to take part in the video for Neon Jungle's new single, "Can't Stop the Love"?
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- ALT2 ... that for the music video for Can't Stop the Love, Neon Jungle invited participation from their fans?--Launchballer 12:19, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- What is going on with reviewers not bothering to sign their reviews and, more importantly, why isn't SineBot intervening? Obviously, you can't accept your own hook so consider this one:
Bucko
- ... that reviewers compared the writing style of comic Bucko to The Big Lebowski and screenwriter Raymond Chandler?
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- ALT1:... that a 2011 online webcomic, Bucko, was published in print in 2012?
- ALT2:... that illustrator of Bucko Erika Moen (pictured) was praised for "capturing the action of the script perfectly and bringing the characters to energetic life"?
- ALT3:... that drawings of Erika Moen (pictured) were praised for bringing the script and characters of the comic, Bucko, to "energetic life"?
- ALT4:... that Bucko by Erika Moen (pictured) and Jeff Parker was published for free as a webcomic before being published as a physical graphic novel?
- ALT5:... that Erika Moen (pictured) and Jeff Parker's Bucko has been called a hipster version of The Big Lebowski?
- Reviewed: Aktion Arbeitsscheu Reich
- Comment: Not a self-nom. I must give credit to Cirt for the original hook. I had trouble picking interesting facts from the topic. Don't hesitate to add more ALT hooks.
Created by Cirt (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 16:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 10
Ali Akbar Aboutorabi Fard
- ... that an Iraqi major (in Iraq–Iran war) in prison told Aboutorabi (pictured): "if Khomeine is like you, I will follow him"?
Created by M.Sakhaie (talk). Self nominated at 11:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Pakistan Armed Forces deployments
- ... that during the 1980s, Pakistan had military missions in 22 countries and was the largest military deployer in the Third World?
- ALT1... that several other nations also expressed their interest in participating in Combined Task Force 150 in some way when a Pakistani admiral took its command?
- ALT2... that the Pakistani Special Services Group led the charge to free the Grand Mosque of militants during the 1979 Grand Mosque Seizure?
- ALT3... that Pakistani flying ace Saiful Azam shot down two Israeli aircraft during the Six-Day War, becoming the highest shooter of Israeli aircraft and the only pilot with kills against two air forces?
Created by Mar4d (talk), TopGun (talk). Nominated by Mar4d (talk) at 14:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
The Honest Company
- ... that The Honest Company, which was co-founded by Jessica Alba (pictured) in 2011, is valued at approximately US$1 billion?
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Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 06:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Looks great!! Hook is good and captivating, picture looks good, but there are a couple formatting issues (a stray comma in the quote box on the right side of the page, ICONIQ capital is linked to a page that doesn't yet exist). You might also add a few specific examples of what the company sells, but overall a really good article. Mbhargis (talk) 17:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Leading product added.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Bacon and Hams
- ... that Bacon and Hams is rare and collectible, despite having entered the public domain?
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Improved to Good Article status by ChrisGualtieri (talk). Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk) at 01:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
ALT1: ... that the book Bacon and Hams is a rare and collectible item, despite having entered the public domain?
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The article looks good to go. But the hook seems a bit off. It should be emphasized that Bacon and Hams is a book. Also, there should be the word "a" right before the word rare. I provided an ALT hook. Let me know what you think. Please ping me. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Per WP:DYK#Content, a hook should be "short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article". Not every hook needs to be fully self-explanatory, and the way I originally worded it would draw more people to the article than your unsurprising, matter-of-fact ALT1. New review requested. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Ebbor Gorge
- ... that the head of Ebbor Gorge (pictured) contains the rare mineral mendipite?
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ALT1:... that Ebbor Gorge (pictured) was found to contain the flint tools of the neolithic people who lived there in caves?- Reviewed: Not a self-nomination.
Improved to Good Article status by Rodw (talk). Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk) at 10:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
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Promoted to GA within timescale. Images properly licensed. Nice article, no evidence of plagiarism. Both hook facts have cites, however while the ALT1 cites say that evidence for human habitation were found in the caves, the references indicate that the flints were recovered from fields above the Gorge. Simon Burchell (talk) 13:12, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the references I was able to check did not mention flints being recovered from within the gorge at all, but rather from the area above the gorge. I would suggest removing the reference to the tools:
- ALT2:... that Ebbor Gorge (pictured) was found to contain traces of the neolithic people who lived there in caves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Burchell (talk • contribs) 16:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Bristol County Jail
- ... that Bristol County Jail (pictured) houses the town's Historical and Preservation Society?
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- Reviewed: Not a self-nomination.
Improved to Good Article status by ChrisGualtieri (talk). Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk) at 10:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
ALT 1: ... that Bristol County Jail (pictured) probably doubled as a home for the jailer's family?
From The Doctor to my son Thomas
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... that The Doctor sends a viral video to his son Thomas on YouTube?ALT1:... that the doctor sends his son an internet video message?ALT2:... that Peter Capaldi portrays the Twelfth Doctor on YouTube video for a boy whom he calls "son"?ALT3:... that Peter Capaldi poses as the Twelfth Doctor on YouTube video for an autistic boy, whom he calls "son"?- ALT4:... that Peter Capaldi (pictured) posed as the Twelfth Doctor on a heartwarming video for a grieving autistic boy, whose grandmother died recently?
- ALT5:... that The Doctor sent a heartwarming video to a grieving autistic boy, whose grandmother died recently?
- ALT6:... that Peter Capaldi (pictured) sent a video in character as the Twelfth Doctor to console an autistic boy on the death of his grandmother?
- ALT7:... that The Doctor sent a heartwarming video to console an autistic boy on the death of his grandmother?
- Reviewed: Vermont gubernatorial election, 2014
- Comment: Not a self-nomination. I think I like the original or alt1 hook more, but you decide. I was thinking April Fools, but I am not sure if that's appropriate.
- NOTE: I've struck the first few hooks as they're all factually inaccurate, please read the article text, it's not his son, it's someone else's son, thank you. I DO NOT think "April Fools" is appropriate for this, please just use any regular date ASAP, thank you. — Cirt (talk) 12:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've added another hook. I agree that April Fool's would be inappropriate. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Curly Turkey, I like ALT6 the best. :) — Cirt (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Seconded: it is by far the best. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 01:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Curly Turkey, I like ALT6 the best. :) — Cirt (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've added another hook. I agree that April Fool's would be inappropriate. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Created by Cirt (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 05:21, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
Hilja Riipinen
- ... that the only female MP of the Finnish far-right Patriotic People's Movement, Hilja Riipinen, was also a women's rights and temperance advocate?
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- Reviewed: Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo
Created by Pudeo (talk). Self nominated at 00:14, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
The Gambia at the 2008 Summer Olympics
- ... that the flag bearer for The Gambia at the 2008 Summer Olympics was an athlete at their first Olympics?
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- Reviewed: To come
5x expanded by NG39 (talk). Self nominated at 06:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
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- ALT1:... that middleweight boxer Badou Jack, the flag bearer for The Gambia at the 2008 Summer Olympics, was an athlete at his first Olympics?
- ALT2:... that the 2008 Summer Olympics was Badou Jack's—middleweight boxer and the Gambia's flag bearer—first Olympic game in his boxing career?
- I don't like plural pronouns used to refer to one thing or person, so I added ALT1 and ALT2. --George Ho (talk) 04:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Niles Fulwyler, McDonald Ranch House
- ... that Major General Niles Fulwyler was responsible for the restoration of the McDonald Ranch House (pictured), where the pit of the Trinity test "gadget" was assembled?
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- Reviewed: Pierre Thouvenot, Ice Bucket Challenge
New or Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self nominated at 11:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 11
Behind a Mask
... that the pseudonomously published and sensationalist novella Behind a Mask, when republished, inspired a reexamination of Louisa May Alcott's work as more than children's pieces, like Little Women?
5x expanded by Rborgo (talk), Sadads (talk). Nominated by Sadads (talk) at 01:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
- Reviewed:Template:Did you know nominations/Requirements OfficeSadads (talk) 01:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Please note that Footnote 8 does not open to an article by Judith Fetterley, but to "Trance-Formations: Mesmerism and "A Woman’s Power" in Louisa May Alcott's Behind a Mask" by Theresa Strouth Gaul. No QPQ needed for first-time nominator. The article is exceptionally well written, but the hook is ungrammatical and hard to understand. Would the page creator like to suggest another hook, or should I? Yoninah (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your notes! I fixed the link to the Fetterley article so it should lead to the correct article now. I also cleaned up the hook a bit. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs attention. Rborgo (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Yoninah: Don't know what you think is ungrammatical...but can see several points of possible confusion, have refined:
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... that the pseudonomously published and sensationalist novella Behind a Mask, inspired a critical reevaluation of Louisa May Alcott's corpus as containing more than children's novels, like Little Women?Sadads (talk) 15:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Sadads: the purpose of a hook is to "hook" readers' attention, not to summarize the article. That said, we can use your ALT1 — although I would suggest taming some of the big words, as follows:
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... that Louisa May Alcott's sensationalist novella Behind a Mask, published under a pseudonym, inspired a critical reevaluation of her corpus as containing more than children's novels like Little Women?— or we could try something more "hooky", like: - ALT3:
... that Louisa May Alcott, author of Little Women, also published thrillers and mysteries like Behind a Mask under a pseudonym? - ALT4: ... that one scholar suggests Louisa May Alcott wrote the sensationalist novella Behind a Mask to subvert the fantasy of the perfect "little woman"?
- Let me know what you think, or what else you'd like to suggest. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Yoninah: I get the point of hooks (the reason I respond like this, is that the comment is kindof bitey: it doesn't bother me too much, but when I first saw it, I had a bit of an emotional backlash; it would have been better to explain why you think the hook wouldn't work, rather than (unintentionally?) attack a WP:Good Faith effort as holistically bad). I like ALT4 (added a link to the quote, to help readers recognize the play on words), Alt3 would be fine as well. Sorry it took so long for me to respond: last couple weeks have been hectic (with projects like this meetup and Thanksgiving (United States). Hope you have a good week, and look forward to the article going on the front page! Sadads (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Double-checked that article is new enough when nominated, expanded over fivefold and long enough. It's neutral, well sourced and cited, and free of close paraphrasing, copyright and plagiarism issues. Hooks 3 and 4 are both short enough and interesting but striking ALT3 in deference to preferences of others (even though I like 3 more). ALT4 is accurate and supported by an in-line citation of a reliable source. QPQ accepted because Sadads did a review even though unable to close since an ALT was suggested so another independent reviewer was needed. Please do another review for your next DYK nomination, Sadads. This is good to go. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) WER 21:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Chaar Sahibzaade
- ... that voice artists in the Punjabi animation movie Chaar Sahibzaade were kept anonymous?
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- ALT1:... that Chaar Sahibzaade is the first Punjabi 3D animation film?
- ALT2:... that voice artists in the first Punjabi 3D animation film Chaar Sahibzaade were kept anonymous? (combination of ALT0 and ALT1)
- ALT3:... that Punjabi 3D animation film Chaar Sahibzaade depicts the sacrifices of sons of 10th Sikh guru Guru Gobind Singh?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dattatraya Parchure
Created by Rajdeepmatharu (talk), Vigyani (talk). Nominated by Vigyani (talk) at 12:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Curly Moe
- ... that Canadian-American professional wrestler Curly Moe's "gimmick" was based on Curly Howard of The Three Stooges? (citations #3, #6, #7, and #8)
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- ALT1:... that pro wrestler Curly Moe, a popular fan favorite in International World Class Championship Wrestling, was billed as the real-life nephew of Moe and Curly Howard? (citations #6, #7, and #8)
- ALT2:... that the Weekly World News once claimed that Canadian-American professional wrestler Curly Moe was receiving supernatural assistance from his "uncles" Moe and Curly Howard? (citation #8)
- ALT3:... that 1Wrestling.com has called Curly Moe one of the "silliest characters" in pro wrestling history? (citation #3)
- Comment: Moved from Draft on November 11
Moved to mainspace by 72.74.203.98 (talk). Self nominated at 00:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
Ragnall mac Somairle
- ... that, unlike his father, Ragnall mac Somairle, from the twelfth-century Kingdom of the Isles, endorsed new religious reforms?
Improved to Good Article status by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 16:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
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Reviewer-in-training here, second opinion wanted. Article is long enough; promoted to GA on 11/11; edited hundreds of times by Brianann MacAmhlaidh; hook is short, interesting, and cited. In the overview I see "Although his father appears to have aligned himself with traditional forms of Christianity, Ragnall's associated himself with newer reformed religious orders from the continent." (For clarity, I would suggest replacing "Ragnall's associated himself with" with "Ragnall himself is associated with".) This is elaborated on in the main text and cited (No. 173). --Rosekelleher (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry, I don't see the hook fact about religious reforms mentioned or cited inline in the article. Footnote 173 refers to "foundations and endowments". Yoninah (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- The hook is based off the summary in the lead. There is no single-sentence, singularly cited statement in the body of the article. The hook is supported by the entire final paragraph in the "Saddell Abbey" section.--¿3family6 contribs 19:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Do you think you could use the words "religious reforms" in this paragraph, instead of "foundations and endowments", so the hook looks like it's based on something in the article? Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- The previous sentence ends with how Sormairle "found newer reformed orders of continental Christianity unpalatable." The following sentence, directly cited, now reads "Whatever the case, the ecclesiastical activities of his immediate descendants, especially the foundations and endowments of Ragnall himself, reveal that the meic Somairle were not averse to such continental orders." Is that satisfactory?--¿3family6 contribs 20:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Salvatore Stabile
- ... that Salvatore Stabile wrote, directed and produced his first feature film when just 19?
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- Reviewed: Christus factus est, WAB 10
- Comment: This article was added to mainspace from AfC on 11th November
Created by Morrowilm (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 07:22, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
Gregorio Jiménez de la Cruz
- ... that Gregorio Jiménez de la Cruz's murder has caused several organizations to demand journalist protection in Mexico?
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- ALT1:... that Gregorio Jiménez de la Cruz's murder is officially caused by personal disputes, although reporters in Mexico suspect it was for his investigative work?
Created by DaltonCastle (talk). Self nominated at 02:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
Vermont gubernatorial election, 2014
- ... that because no candidate won a majority of the vote, the 2014 Vermont gubernatorial election will be decided by the Vermont General Assembly?
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- Reviewed: Von Sydow murders. Tiller54 (talk) 11:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
5x expanded by Tiller54 (talk). Self nominated at 22:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Sorry to say it, but I don't think the first slot should be wasted on what is essentially a "B-roll" establishing shot. EEng (talk) 05:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry but I don't know what you're referring to (this is my first DYK nomination). Tiller54 (talk) 11:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
16pxI don't know what B-roll means. However, the expansion is not fivefold. The November 10 edition was 1480 prose bytes (or the Nov 11 edition was 1644 prose bytes). The current version is 4917 prose bytes. That is less than fourfold. If you can expand it to fivefold, the article can be reviewed again. Otherwise, the nomination will fail. --George Ho (talk) 06:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I mean that having a picture of the state house doesn't really add anything. It's like when the news is talking about the president meeting with Joe Smith, but for some reason they don't have any footage of the president meeting with Joe Smith, so they just present a shot of the White House while the newscaster talks. (Don't think everyone at DYK is grumpy like me. I just haven't had my coffee.) EEng (talk) 13:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Swift Lathers, Mears News, Swift Lathers museum
- ... that "the smallest newspaper in the world" (issue shown) was published by Swift Lathers from his home for over 50 years, and had worldwide circulation?
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- Reviewed: Lesson No. 1 and Purple Haze and Anders Bárány
- Comment: This is a 3 article DYK.
- Comment - if the promoting editor likes it, could the image be used in the 3 article DYK. Thanks!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by Doug Coldwell (talk) at 12:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Perhaps we can run this with a hook from the companion article about his twin brother, Slowly Bubbles? EEng (talk) 23:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Very punny. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Bu Shang
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that when Bu Shang lost his son, he wept so inconsolably that he became blind?
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- Reviewed: Shu Hongbing
Created by Zanhe (talk). Self nominated at 07:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
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- None of the scholarly sources, ancient or modern, considers this a legend. He was probably more than 80 years old when his son died, and it's completely plausible that he lost his eyesight after excessive grieving. -Zanhe (talk) 03:04, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The sources cited are scholarly translations (one of them from 1893, apparently) of Confucius who, with all due respect, was sometimes confused. We don't take his statements, or those of traditional commentaries on him, at face value any more than we do Tacitus' assertion that the Germans were seven feet tall (or whatever it was he said). This has to say something like "According to the Analects" or whathaveyou -- from the only preview I can't tell who or what commentary is actually telling this story. EEng (talk) 04:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- With all due respect, I'm afraid you're the one who's confused here :) The commentary cited is written by Professor Chichung Huang of Bennington College and Peking University, not translation of the Analects. You wouldn't think Confucius would've said that Bu Shang was born in 597 BCE, or predicted his future after Confucius' own death, would you? Actually, Bu Shang becoming blind was not mentioned in the Analects, but was recorded separately in at least three other ancient sources, including the Book of Rites, the Huainanzi, and the Records of the Grand Historian, which is why most modern scholars consider it credible. -Zanhe (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Chichung Huang isn't one of the sources cited. Where in the sources is that given? EEng (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- He's the translator and editor of The Analects of Confucius (Oxford University Press 1997). See Google books. -Zanhe (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's a little different. I'm not sure Chichung Huang intends to represent those sketches as more than a compilation of what older sources claim (I'm not sure "crying your eyes out", as the saying goes, I actually medically possible) but I'm out of my element here and won't argue the point. You need to add the translator's info to the Oxford source so that others won't be misled as I was. EEng (talk) 05:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- He's the translator and editor of The Analects of Confucius (Oxford University Press 1997). See Google books. -Zanhe (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Chichung Huang isn't one of the sources cited. Where in the sources is that given? EEng (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- With all due respect, I'm afraid you're the one who's confused here :) The commentary cited is written by Professor Chichung Huang of Bennington College and Peking University, not translation of the Analects. You wouldn't think Confucius would've said that Bu Shang was born in 597 BCE, or predicted his future after Confucius' own death, would you? Actually, Bu Shang becoming blind was not mentioned in the Analects, but was recorded separately in at least three other ancient sources, including the Book of Rites, the Huainanzi, and the Records of the Grand Historian, which is why most modern scholars consider it credible. -Zanhe (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- The sources cited are scholarly translations (one of them from 1893, apparently) of Confucius who, with all due respect, was sometimes confused. We don't take his statements, or those of traditional commentaries on him, at face value any more than we do Tacitus' assertion that the Germans were seven feet tall (or whatever it was he said). This has to say something like "According to the Analects" or whathaveyou -- from the only preview I can't tell who or what commentary is actually telling this story. EEng (talk) 04:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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ALT1 ... that Confucius' disciple Bu Shang was inconsolable after the death of his son and became blind?
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- @EEng: you expressed valid concern about science. The ancients were probably less scientifically inclined than you are :) So I reworded the hook to remove the causal relationship between the events. -Zanhe (talk) 06:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- How about if we just make it kind of poetic and say he "cried his eyes out"? ALT1 sounds like one of those hooks that presents two unrelated random facts. EEng (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, someone crying his eyes out when his son dies is not really surprising. Maybe we'll start with something else altogether. How about:
- How about if we just make it kind of poetic and say he "cried his eyes out"? ALT1 sounds like one of those hooks that presents two unrelated random facts. EEng (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that Confucius' disciple Bu Shang taught Marquess Wen of Wei, ruler of the most powerful state of the early Warring States period? -Zanhe (talk) 06:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Honestly I think you'll get more mileage out of the I Ching:
- ALT3 ... that Confucius' disciple Bu Shang played a significant role in the transmission of the I Ching?
EEng (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for proposing ALT3, works for me. Now we need a new reviewer to approve it. -Zanhe (talk) 03:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 12
Cognitive specialization
- ... that there are specialized mechanisms in the human brain for trust, language, and putting ourselves "in another person's shoes"?
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- Comment: Original nomination had two capitalized letters; fixed that so this is the actual article. Expanded from a stub; was posted on "Wiki project in Psychology: Articles that need attention" page.
- Reviewed: The Honest Company
5x expanded by Mbhargis (talk). Self nominated at 23:10, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Thank you, George! -- User:mbhargis
Sigma II-65 war game
- ... that the Sigma II-65 war game was held although four prior Sigma games foresaw that escalating the Vietnam War would lead to more U.S. casualties?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bathycrinus aldrichianus
- Comment: There is probably no better example of an influential group of politically powerful men ignoring the blatantly obvious than Sigma II-65 than the Johnson administration blowing off this war simulation. At least four previous Sigma war games had warned that American intervention in Vietnam would be unsuccessful; after war's end, they could be seen as "eerily prophetic". (Quote courtesy of H. R. McMasters). Nevertheless, Lyndon Baines Johnson shunned the predictions of Sigma II-65 and pressed on in a losing cause. "He's knee deep in the Big Muddy, but the big fool says push on." (And thank you, Pete Seeger.)
- (DISCLOSURE The lead to this article is being used in several allied articles. NONE of that lead should be counted for qualifying any article for DYK.)
Created/expanded by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 17:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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OK, just a couple of quick notes. The article is new enough and large enough, even if the lead is excluded. The hook is fine. Two minor remarks: 1) as a DYK article, it shouldn't be tagged as a stub, and 2) inline referencing should be fixed ("increased American casualties.[2]", "supervised election in the south.[7]" and the like). Will continue the review within a day or two, hopefully. GregorB (talk) 00:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Okay, I posted a stub template when I began the article; some categorist changed it to a stub according to them. I posted the template I should had on this article's Talk page from the start, and rated the article Start class.
- I did not post those dead cites like that. I don't know what happened to cause that. It's going to be a pain in the posterior to recheck every single cite in that article, but I'll get it done and let you know when it is fixed.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- A backtrack through edit history shows that some of my proper cites vanished between 0833 and 0836 19 November. The cyber-cops have been notified of the theft.
- Enough cheap wit. The cites are fixed.Georgejdorner (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks, looks fine now re those issues. Will continue the review later. GregorB (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
So: could not detect any problems with the article in terms of structure, neutrality and style/language. Inline referencing used throughout. The sources seem reliable. They are offline (books), so I couldn't check for close paraphrasing - AGF on that. The hook is supported by the text, which is in turn supported by an inline ref - again, AGF for offline content. (BTW, a very interesting topic: I don't think I've ever heard of these war games being discussed at all in relation to the Vietnam War.) I have just one more minor remark, but I'm leaving it for the talk page - the article is good to go. GregorB (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Murder of Atcel Olmedo
- ... that the murder of Atcel Olmedo remains unsolved because the suspects have never been located?
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- Comment: Article was moved from a userspace into the article space on 12 November.
Created/expanded by Gourami Watcher (talk). Self nominated at 14:25, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Comment By the rules, this nomination should have been posted as a November 12th listing for DYK. I'll leave the necessary move/consequences up to Admin.
- The lead of this article should be a summary of the text that follows, not an introduction to the tale a la essay. Until a proper lead is supplied, I see no reason to review this nomination.
- Despite what seems to be discouragement above, I hope the author will continue with this article, if only for the off chance it may help lock up some murderous S.O.B.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I put the nomination in the correct place, I'm very new to the DYK part of Wikipedia, sometimes the directions can be confusing. As for the lead, I'll work out the kinks. Thanks, --GouramiWatcherpride 17:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- This was no big deal, as far as nomination problems go.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Done! --GouramiWatcherpride 17:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think you have caught onto the concept that the casual reader will quit viewing after the lead. Many will leave your article having read only that. i know it seems backward to present the summary first, but that's WP.
- I will leave the review to someone more expert on the subject.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Negativity bias
- ... that people tend to exhibit a negativity bias, such that negative experiences have a greater impact than positive experiences on psychological states and processes?
5x expanded by Cmiddlebrooks (talk). Self nominated at 23:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
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I see you nominated the article to be a Good Article. The expansion is more than twofold and close to threefold; it is not fivefold. If the article becomes a Good Article, then the problem will be solved. Otherwise, the nomination will likely fail. --George Ho (talk) 04:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yes, I was a little unsure about this "fivefold" issue. Technically, I rewrote the entire article because the contents prior to my edits were either factually incorrect or completely irrelevant to the topic. So, no, the size of the article isn't a fivefold increase relative to what was there before, but it is all completely new. Does that not matter? If not, then how would I go about revoking the nomination? And should this also be removed from "DYK"? Thanks! Cmiddlebrooks (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Per WP:DYK rules, an expansion must be fivefold. You still have time to add more prose, but I'm not confident that you would make it. The 16 October 2014 version was 4511 prose bytes, and the current version is 14kb in prose. Another version should be 22.5kb or 23kb in prose. However, no need to revoke the nomination or withdraw just yet. This nomination will be re-reviewed if the article becomes a Good Article. Waiting for someone to review the GA nomination will take a while, however. --George Ho (talk) 03:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Alright, I guess I'll leave the nomination be then, although I hesitate to waste any reviewer's time if it's unlikely to be approved... I'll see if there's anything I can add without it being superfluous. Thanks! Cmiddlebrooks (talk) 07:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Per WP:DYK Eligibility criteria 1d, this is a new article. I have compared edit history of last edit before this editor took over with the current article. Replacement of the prior editor's text shows at least a 90% rewrite.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:05, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yes, I see efforts on User:Cmiddlebrooks/Negativity bias ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs). I'm still not thoroughly convinced. The user has stopped working on the draft and copied-and-pasted the content into an old article that has existed for a long time. Somehow, it's hard to tell. --George Ho (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I hope it's not inappropriate for me to comment here, but I had originally set up the sandbox in order to draft my future changes, but then I was told that I should actually only be doing that if I was starting a new, nonexistent article, and that I should instead be making the edits directly to the article itself. I kept using the Cmiddlebrooks/Negativity bias page to test my references and such, to make they were coded correctly, but further edits were only made to the article directly after first being drafted in Microsoft Word. I also didn't want to completely overwrite the article in one swoop, so as not to step on anyone's toes, so I imported changes by section, but all within a 24 hour span so that it would still count as the first of the 7-day eligibility. Perhaps I've misinterpreted the rules (first time editing/writing on Wikipedia!), but I just wanted to clarify re: the user page usage. Cmiddlebrooks (talk) 18:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- I stand by my comments. Nevertheless, you didn't do wrong. You can ignore all rules if they prevent you from improving Wikipedia. If anybody else disagrees with my reviews, then don't hesitate to use {{subst:DYK?again}} alongside explanations. --George Ho (talk) 00:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
What defines new? The GA nomination was withdrawn, but the concept of new article in this case is too complex for me. But, in the eyes of mine, the article may not reach fivefold. But with copy-and-paste stuff offline, probably another reviewer can see a light different from mine. --George Ho (talk) 07:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Sigma I-62 war game
- ... that 2.5 years before the Tonkin Gulf Incident, the Sigma I-62 war game concluded American intervention in Vietnam would be unsuccessful?
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- Reviewed: Bathycrinus aldrichianus
- Comment: The Sigma I-62 war game is the first known instance of a war game predicting America's failure in the Vietnam War. It was staged 2 years before the first U.S. Marines landed at Danang, and 2.5 years before the Tonkin Gulf incident generally accepted as the war's beginning. Despite later similar predictions, the United States still fought the war. As predicted, they lost.
- DISCLOSURE: The lead to this article is being used in several allied articles. NONE of that lead should be counted for qualifying any article for DYK.
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 00:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
Sigma I-64 war game
- ... that the Sigma I-64 war game held in April 1964 predicted that the U.S. could put 500,000 troops into Vietnam and still lose?
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- Reviewed: Skyscraper Live
- Comment: The Sigma I-64 war game has been called "eerily prophetic" for its prescient prediction that the United States would not win the Vietnam War. Ironically, it was neither the first nor the last Sigma war game to come to that conclusion. Nevertheless, six months after Sigma I-64, the U.S. chose to use the Tonkin Gulf incident to start the war. They eventually committed 500,000 troops. They lost. As predicted.
- DISCLOSURE: The lead to this article is being used in several allied articles. NONE of that lead should be counted for qualifying any article for DYK.
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 20:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society
- ... that the Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society (facilities pictured) is "an organization within an organization"?
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- Reviewed: Adah Robinson
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by Doug Coldwell (talk) at 22:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
- ALT1 ... that the Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society (pictured) was built on bedrock?
- ALT2 ... that the Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society (pictured) is "an organization within an organization" built on bedrock?
- ALT3 ... that the Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society (pictured) is "an organization within an organization" that is built on rubble, rocks and stones?
- ALT4 ... that the Oceana County Historical & Genealogical Society (pictured) is "an organization within an organization" that is built with rubble, rocks and stones?
- Comment for promoting editor - could the article be first in queue with its picture. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Sigma war games
- ... that as early as 1962 the Sigma war games predicted that American intervention in the Vietnam War would be unsuccessful?
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- Reviewed: William Spencer Anderson
- Comment: As early as February 1962, 2.5 years before the Tonkin Gulf incident actually began the Vietnam War, the Sigma war games predicted U.S. failure if it intervened in Vietnam. Later Sigma games reconfirmed that. The results of the Sigma war games were roundly ignored by high American officials. The United States still fought the war unsuccessfully.
- DISCLOSURE: The lead to this article is being used in several allied articles. NONE of that lead should be counted for qualifying any article for DYK.
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 18:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
Captive Pursuit
- ... that director Corey Allen said that the episode "Captive Pursuit" showed that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was less "squeaky clean" than Star Trek: The Next Generation?
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- Reviewed: The Boat Race 1856
5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nominated at 21:51, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
GL Mk. I radar
- ... that all of the chicken wire in England disappeared as the British Army installed its first radar system, the Gun Laying Mark I (Mk. II pictured)?
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- Reviewed: Lots and lots and lots and lots. Let's say Wolfhouse Run.
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nominated at 13:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Perhaps a UK-US thing, but I'd suggest "its first", not "their first". EEng (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Done.
The Game (mind game)
- ... that you've just lost The Game?
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- ALT1:... that you've just lost The Game?
- ALT2:... that you've just lost The Game?
- Comment: Nominated for April 1st — I could create another hook but I feel like a fun hook is better suited to the fun-spirited topic.
Improved to Good Article status by Bilorv (talk). Self nominated at 18:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Great hook and great candidate for last slot, but really it deserves first slot. EEng (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks. There are three images in the article, so I did consider pictures, but I think they all look way too small at 100x100 pixels (see [[12]]). Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 07:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- See above, not what I'd hoped for, but frankly I think anything showing a toilet with a mysterious note will get plenty of clicks. And let me suggest:
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- ALT3A :... that if you finish this sentence you'll lose The Game?
- ALT3B :... that if you read to the end of this sentence you'll lose The Game?
- ALT4: ... that you've just lost The Game? (alternative mode of losing pictured) Parentheses suggested by EEng. Moved to its own ALT. — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 19:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
EEng (talk) 03:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Okay, I like the image and I think we should use it. I think ALT3A is better than ALT3B, but I still prefer my original hooks (and like ALT2 over ALT1 or the original). Which hook(s) do you think is/are best? Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 08:56, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The point of ALT3A/B is that you haven't lost The Game until you think of The Game, which doesn't happen until you get to the end of sentence. (There are some philosophical problems in all of this, but we needn't go into those.) But I'll leave that choice to others. EEng (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the ALT3s work better if you already understand what The Game is (it sounds like a prank message you might send to a friend who understands the in-joke). As a hook on what I would imagine most people would not understand immediately, I think "you've just lost The Game" is something that would be quicker understood when you visited the article, and is an oft-used line in the realm of game-losing. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 11:13, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Fine. I wouldn't designate it for April 1 though -- too much competition for first slot, and this can run any time. EEng (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Can it run at any time? Technically speaking, the hook's fact doesn't have an inline citation in the article and it's not a particularly neutral hook either. Currently, there is only one hook nominated for April 1 (which I understand is still a while away) which has a picture, and the Main Page has had 3 DYK sets for the past 4 years. I would also be willing to remove the picture (although would be sorry to waste your efforts in cropping) if it was necessary, and put it in a lower slot. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 17:50, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Even in the somewhat rulebound world of DYK this hook should be fine any time -- it doesn't assert a "fact" needing citation. Here, I'll ping two of our most respected DYK "old hands" to verify that. BlueMoonset, Crisco 1492 -- PING! EEng (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Facepalm Oh the things people come up with. I think, for April Fools day, this is fine. The rules are cited, and if you read about something you think about it (even if you don't know exactly what you are thinking about), so it's really not OR. The "you" construct is another thing, but Fish Day is usually more relaxed about that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:09, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Even in the somewhat rulebound world of DYK this hook should be fine any time -- it doesn't assert a "fact" needing citation. Here, I'll ping two of our most respected DYK "old hands" to verify that. BlueMoonset, Crisco 1492 -- PING! EEng (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Can it run at any time? Technically speaking, the hook's fact doesn't have an inline citation in the article and it's not a particularly neutral hook either. Currently, there is only one hook nominated for April 1 (which I understand is still a while away) which has a picture, and the Main Page has had 3 DYK sets for the past 4 years. I would also be willing to remove the picture (although would be sorry to waste your efforts in cropping) if it was necessary, and put it in a lower slot. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 17:50, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Fine. I wouldn't designate it for April 1 though -- too much competition for first slot, and this can run any time. EEng (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the ALT3s work better if you already understand what The Game is (it sounds like a prank message you might send to a friend who understands the in-joke). As a hook on what I would imagine most people would not understand immediately, I think "you've just lost The Game" is something that would be quicker understood when you visited the article, and is an oft-used line in the realm of game-losing. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 11:13, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- The point of ALT3A/B is that you haven't lost The Game until you think of The Game, which doesn't happen until you get to the end of sentence. (There are some philosophical problems in all of this, but we needn't go into those.) But I'll leave that choice to others. EEng (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
No-one's commented for a few days. What's happening with the hook? I'd prefer to use ALT2 with the image on April Fool's day. Any objections? — Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 09:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: If the picture is going to be used, then (pictured) or something like that should be included in the hook itself. HYH.124 (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Do you have any suggestions for a hook for this article including "(pictured)"? Personally, I think it would be annoying and get in the way of the joke wherever you try to put it. We might be able to bend the rules just once for April Fools' Day, but maybe we need someone more experienced in DYK to verify that would be fine first. — Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 07:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I see EEng has added "(alternative mode of losing pictured)" to the above hooks. It seems to me like this is long and clunky, and raises the question of what the picture is an "alternative" to, since no other mode of losing is mentioned in the hook. I think I would prefer to run the hook without the picture than with it containing "(alternative mode of losing pictured)", but there's been no response to my questioning of whether we can use the image without any form of "(pictured)". — Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 18:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Hooks are supposed to be intriguing. If you want people to read your article, run it in the first DYK slot with the picture. The whole point it to get people to go "Wha... what? <click>". Trust me on this one. EEng (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Is the simple hook (in full bold) not more intriguing? I'd also add that it's not my article*, and my main purpose in this particular DYK would be to elicit a few laughs from a simple joke in the hook, rather than solely to bait them to the article. *As for whether it's my hook, I don't think we have a rule on that — if I end up being outvoted, maybe it's better to go along with what someone else thinks than to blindly stick to my original idea. — Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 19:11, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I'd agree that adding the parenthetical at the end takes all the wind out of the joke. —Akrabbimtalk 19:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Which ALT would you prefer, and would you still leave the image there without brackets? — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 19:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure there has to be something in the hook to allow the reader to know that this is the hook (and not the 6 others appearing with it) is associated with photo. EEng (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Personally I don't think the image is necessary for the joke. It's hard to see what the sticky note says at that resolution anyway. —Akrabbimtalk 20:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've cropped this image. Would it be any better? — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 20:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Personally I don't think the image is necessary for the joke. It's hard to see what the sticky note says at that resolution anyway. —Akrabbimtalk 20:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure there has to be something in the hook to allow the reader to know that this is the hook (and not the 6 others appearing with it) is associated with photo. EEng (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Which ALT would you prefer, and would you still leave the image there without brackets? — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 19:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I'd agree that adding the parenthetical at the end takes all the wind out of the joke. —Akrabbimtalk 19:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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The other image used second person ("YOU"), but it doesn't mention "The Game" and is difficult to read at that small size. It could be cropped even further to just show the post-it note, but otherwise I think the second image is, at least, better. "I lost the game" isn't wrong — it's a common catchphrase used and less ambiguous than "You lost". EDIT: I also think it would be easier to get away with not using "(pictured)" with the second image. — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 09:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC) Edit made — Bilorv (talk)(contribs) 09:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Good point. As much as I hate to lose the toilet, I think "I lost" is best after all. EEng (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 13
Spanish conquest of Chiapas
- ... that during the Spanish conquest of Chiapas, frequent changes in colonial administration left the early conquistadores vulnerable to native rebellion?
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- Reviewed: Ebbor Gorge
Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nominated at 11:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
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- The hook is a summary of the Rebellion and Founding of Ciudad Real sections. Simon Burchell (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please hold off on this review, since the article has just become the target of edit warring. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)Hopefully will be OK now, took it to WP:ANI, and the page is protected. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Arne Hegerfors
- ... that Swedish sports journalist Arne Hegerfors (pictured) commentated the basketball final between the Soviet Union and USA at the 1972 Olympic Games for Sveriges Television?
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- Reviewed: Eddie Golden
Created by BabbaQ (talk), Werldwayd (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 22:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
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- I DID NOT KNOW ... that commentate is a word. Thanks for enhancing my vocabulary! EEng (talk) 05:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Length, date, hook checks out. Close paraphrase not found. Photo on Commons. --Soman (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Thought it might be more interesting to include the events:
- ALT1: ... that Swedish sports journalist Arne Hegerfors (pictured) commentated at both the basketball final at the 1972 Olympic Games and the Heysel Stadium disaster for Sveriges Television?
- ALT2: ... that Swedish sports journalist Arne Hegerfors (pictured) had a contract offer from OGC Nice before a knee injury ended his football career.
- Fuebaey (talk) 08:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I admittedly don't speak Swedish, but I don't see mention at the citation No. 6 "Hegerfors slutar på tv - föräras eget program" regarding basketball at the 1972 Olympics. There is mention of US-Russia match in ice hockey in the 1980 Olympics. Perhaps I'm missing something? I used Google translate.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Briarcliff Manor Public Library
- ... that the 28-year director of the Briarcliff Manor Public Library (pictured) was the mother of Pulitzer Prize-winning writer John Hersey?
Created by Ɱ (talk). Self nominated at 22:51, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
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Hook is interesting and verifiable, and of suitable length. Image is copyright free, and is visible at a small size. Article is neutral, meets required length, and is sufficiently referenced. Article was created on 14 November 2014, within seven days of this nomination (DYK nominated on 15 November). My only concern is QPQ; unless I'm missing something, this appears to be your sixth DYK nomination, which means you are no longer exempt from QPQ. Also, it might be worth adding Grace Baird Hersey's name to the hook itself—just an idea. Let me know. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 08:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
21st century economic migration of Poles
- ... that 21st century economic migration of Poles is comparable, in size, to the century-old migration of Poles to the United States?
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- Reviewed: Lem (satellite)
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 02:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
Digital Access to a Sky Century @ Harvard
- ... that over half a million glass photographic plates of the night sky are being scanned by the Digital Access to a Sky Century @ Harvard project?
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- ALT1:... that the Digital Access to a Sky Century @ Harvard project is digitizing over 500,000 astrophotographs archived by the Harvard College Observatory?
- Reviewed: Hampton Roads Conference, NGC 5585.
Moved to mainspace by Doctree (talk). Self nominated at 19:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough (moved to mainspace), long enough, and free of most policy issues (the article is neutral and generally very well cited). One problem, however, is that the list of project goals is copied directly from a DASCH project website. Unless the DASCH source is in the public domain (which does not appear to be the case), this section will need to be rewritten to avoid violating copyright (as well as close paraphrasing). Also, the latter two paragraphs of the "Plate imaging" section (beginning with "As of October 2014, over 78,000 plates have been scanned") do not seem to be substantiated by their footnote (which is number 6). On the brighter side, both the hook and the alternate are short enough, cited in the article, and certainly interesting. Furthermore, QPQ has been done, and the nominator has reviewed a second DYK nomination to help reduce the backlog, which is greatly appreciated. Once the aforementioned copyright and footnote citation issues are addressed, I'll be happy to pass this nomination. Michael Barera (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The goals of the DASCH project are directly quoted from and attributed to the project web page. I reworded the lead-in to make it more clear that it is a quote per WP:QUOTE and WP:MOSQUOTE. Some more wikilinks were also added. The quote was and is attributed. Because of the scientific nature of the project, the same words would have to be used to accurately describe the goals in a paraphrase. The result would likely end up close paraphrasing. In my opinion, the blockquote of the goals maintains accuracy without impinging on the intellectual property rights of the project team members. I think that the quote of the detailed goals is important to establish context for all who read the article beyond the lede. I also think that WP:FAIRUSE applies to the goal statements. They aren't "creative" in the usual sense; paraphrasing would create a less concise and accurate statement. The goals are openly published on the project website. The DASCH project and Harvard University won't be harmed financially or otherwise by inclusion in the article. There is no commercial value to the statement of goals. The statement of goals is only a small part of the overall project and of the project's website.
- Since DASCH is an ongoing project, the numbers are changing quickly. I used the {{As of}} template and the numbers were supported by the citation when I wrote the article text. The same source now says over 80k plates imaged, specifically, "We scanned our 80,000th plate on Nov 13, 2014". When I looked a few minutes ago, the project home page states, "Current Status: 82,451 Plates Scanned". If more imaging work was done over this weekend, the number may have changed by the time we look again on Monday. I updated the numbers and the as of date. As stated on the article's talk page, more can be written now. I will check the article regularly to update things and eventually expand it if others don't do so while I work on a couple of other projects. For now, the as of dates give a snapshot of the project progress. The links will allow interested readers to visit the project website pages for the most up-to-date numbers. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) WER 04:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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You have adequately addressed my concerns, DocTree. I think that this nomination is now good to go. Nice work on the article! Michael Barera (talk) 06:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Could you point me to the inline cite for the hook fact? Yoninah (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence
... that Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell testified that UFOs exist at a congressional briefing organised by the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence?
Created by Panyd (talk). Self nominated at 21:54, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
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- To avoid the (presumably) unintentional implication that UFOs exist at congressional briefings, let me suggest
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ALT1 ... that at a congressional briefing organised by the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell testified that UFOs exist?
- However, I'm immediately striking both hooks because (a) "testimony" isn't given at Congressional "briefings" staged by random unofficial organizations, and (b) the article doesn't say anything about Mitchell giving any such "testimony". The article has a slight WP:FRINGEy whiff to it (though I may be imagining that). EEng (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, Mr Greer is well known on the fringes, but he's got enough outside coverage, I feel, to warrant inclusion in the sane-people-club. Of course I would say that. In-depth coverage in The Independent and the Times etc. - I say that puts him in the mainstream's eye.
- As for Mr Mitchell, I don't know what you'd call his statements in that case. He most certainly did, and continuously has, made statements to the effect that UFOs are real. As you can see [[13]], here (brought to you by crazy people, and then out of his own mouth, on camera, here and here. Give me a second on the briefing. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Nope, apparently the Independent haven't publicly published their back-catalogue, and I've lost my Lexis password for the evening. Suffice to say, I think verification in a major mainstream newspaper qualifies as solid ground. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Except in certain specialized religious contexts, "testimony" means sworn statements in an official setting. The phrase "testified at a congressional briefing" makes it sound like he was testifying at a congressional hearing, which he wasn't. This was a publicity stunt to which congressmen were invited -- did any show up? EEng (talk) 00:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I believe ~30 showed up. They definitely didn't get the hearing they demanded afterwards. They were less than impressed. What would you call it? Statement? I'm unsure of myself. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 01:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think any use of "congressional" will mislead readers as to the true context. Also, I think it needs to be clarified just what Mitchell said. If he said, "There certainly have been objects in the sky we've been unable to identify before they got away from us or just disappeared", that's one thing -- if he said, "I think intelligent beings from beyond earth have visited us", that's quite another. EEng (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I believe ~30 showed up. They definitely didn't get the hearing they demanded afterwards. They were less than impressed. What would you call it? Statement? I'm unsure of myself. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 01:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Except in certain specialized religious contexts, "testimony" means sworn statements in an official setting. The phrase "testified at a congressional briefing" makes it sound like he was testifying at a congressional hearing, which he wasn't. This was a publicity stunt to which congressmen were invited -- did any show up? EEng (talk) 00:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Nope, apparently the Independent haven't publicly published their back-catalogue, and I've lost my Lexis password for the evening. Suffice to say, I think verification in a major mainstream newspaper qualifies as solid ground. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- FINALLY found my Lexis login. The exact quote from the article is: In April last year, together with former Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell, he briefed members of the US Congress, putting forwards the testimony of a number of witnesses regarding UFOs and extra-terrestrials. - So what wording would be most appropriate to go with this? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:08, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Also also (I'll stop in a minute I swear) - the press conference they put together was in 2001. As far as I'm aware, nobody in any position of power showed up to that one, but it was a very different kettle of fish. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Also, from another source: Edgar Mitchell, ScD, Captain USN (ret.) Lunar Module Pilot, Apollo 14 and the Sixth man on the moon has written in a forward to Friedmans Flying Saucers and Science œIrrespective of how one views the pros and cons of 60 years of official denial of alien presence on and around our planet, the truth has slowly seeped out into public awareness and acceptance, due in part to many of the inane stories and contradictions offered by official sources. p.12 - So it's definitely aliens. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Bit of a shame to know that even astronauts can get sucked into this sort of thing. Still! How about ALT2 ... that Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell told a group of congressmen that aliens exist, at an event organised by the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence?
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- Do you think I should change anything in the article? I'm not very good at precision with regards to wording and I don't want to mislead. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I changed some words. Added some doubt to one statement, because although secondary sources are a-ok with Greer's account of a meeting, the CIA has never commented on it as far as I can tell. Does that mean I can have a nice tick? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:46, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- This is my equivalent of staring into the DYK community with puppy-like eyes and possibly whining slightly. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Candidula arganica
- ... that Candidula arganica, a snail found in the north of the Iberian Peninsula, lives primarily in meadows?
Created by IEditEncyclopedia (talk). Self nominated at 16:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 14
Juan Antonio Pérez Simón
- ... that Juan Antonio Pérez Simón has the world's largest private art collection (pictured)?
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- Reviewed: Richard Banks (banker)
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 00:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
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Edwardx, according to the new rules that went into effect as of November 21, all nominations, whether self-nominations or nominations of articles by others, require a QPQ review. Please supply one if you wish this nomination to proceed. Also, this nomination was over a day late, but I'm willing to stretch this once assuming a satisfactory QPQ is done. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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Full review needed now that QPQ is done. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Blakumen
- ... that a runestone (pictured) was set up as a memorial for a Varangian named Hróðfúss after he was "treacherously" killed by Blakumens?
Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk), 85.122.25.236 (talk), Onel5969 (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 17:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
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3family6, according to the new DYK rules that went into effect when the RfC about them closed late on November 20, all nominations, both self-nominations as previously and nominations of articles by others, now require QPQs if the nominator has at least five prior nominations of any kind. Since you do, a QPQ review will be required for this nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Reviewed: Battle of Lak Sao
Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Main Central Thrust
- ... that one of the models to explain the Main Central Thrust is channel flow-focused denudation?
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- Reviewed: Daniel Paris
Created/expanded by Hongcheng Guo (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 19:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Salt surface structures
- ... that salt surface structures include the extrusive advance structure where salt flows under gravitational pressure?
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- Reviewed: none required and none done yet
Moved to mainspace by A.A.Hoffmann (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 12:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
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This article is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is sourced to a scientific paper unavailable to me, and is accepted in good faith. The article is neutral but I was unable to assess whether there is any close paraphrasing because of lack of access to the sources. No QPQ needed as this was nominated before Nov 22. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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The article is tagged for relying largely on one source. Yoninah (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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I have removed the tag, and added another book source. There are 9 sources listed now. The hook can also be confirmed in the book reference on Google books. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Southern Oklahoma Aulacogen
- ... that the Southern Oklahoma Aulacogen contains over 250,000 km3 (60,000 cu mi) of igneous rock, including a multitude of gabbros?
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- Reviewed: nothing yet
Created by C.McGaw (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 10:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Tectonics of the South China Sea
- ... that the continental crust below the South China Sea started to split apart from the Eurasian Plate 55 million years ago?
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- Reviewed: none required but will do one later
- Comment: moved on 14 November
Moved to mainspace by Chang21liu (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 07:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Isua Greenstone Belt
- ... that studies of the Isua Greenstone Belt suggest a theory that early earth plate tectonics began by vertical movement of the lithosphere, rather than the modern horizontal tectonics?
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Alt 1: Isua Greenstone Belt
Created/expanded by A.bre.clare. (talk). Self nominated at 14:56, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
Actual review: article was well over 5 times expanded on 14 November, so it is new enough, big enough and correct person credited. There are references in all the sections and paragraphs. However the hook is problematic. The article says that an alternative hypothesis is that plate tectonics began by vertical movement of the lithosphere, but it fails to clearly link that with the Isua Greenstone Belt. But I think changes to the article could make that clear. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Eastern Pilbara Craton
- ... that the Eastern Pilbara Craton contains 3.6 billion year old Earth's crust?
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- Reviewed: will do one but none is required
Moved to mainspace by Ebuhyo1 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 07:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
1989 Burkinabé coup d'état attempt, 1966 Upper Voltan coup d'état, 1980 Upper Voltan coup d'état, 1982 Upper Voltan coup d'état
- ... that Burkina Faso has seen coups d'état in 1966, 1980, and 1982, and unsuccessful attempts in 1983 and 1989?
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- Comment: The 1983 coup attempt article isn't long enough, but it could be expanded to be.
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- Hm, I'm not really sure it could be, given how little available information there is. I'd also like to note that there were additional full coups in 1983 and 1987, which yet lack articles. Stamboliyski (talk) 12:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Created by Stamboliyski (talk). Nominated by Innotata (talk) at 06:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
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Confirming that the 4 articles are all new enough, big and enough, and created by the nominated person. The fact of the hook is confimred by these articles. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- 1966, 1980, 1982 and 1989 article appear free of copyright infringements. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hook is short enough, and although the particular book references used are not available to me, I can tell by other reliable on line books that it is confirmed. OK to proceed. If you want mention of the other coups, they could be listed but not linked in the hook. However that would mean that the facts would still have to be confirmed in one of the articles. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Battle of Besançon, St. Stephen's Cathedral, Besançon
- ... that to celebrate the Catholic victory at the Battle of Besançon in 1575, masses were held at St. Stephen's Cathedral and St. Jean's Cathedral?
Created by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nominated at 23:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
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Articles are both big enough and new enough, and written by the nominator. They are referenced and neutraly written. Hook is confirmed in the cathedral article and referenced. But content of book not read to confirm. Two QPQ reviews were done for this. Hook is short enough. Copyviolation check reveals nothing. good to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey
- ... that while it has never won an NCAA national championship, the Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey program (pictured) has twice won the AIAW national title?
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- ALT1:... that despite appearing in the NCAA tournament 29 times, including seven appearances in the semifinals, the Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey program (pictured) has never won an NCAA national title?
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... that Charlene Morett (pictured) has won both three All-American selections as a player and ten conference titles as a coach for the Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey program? - Reviewed: Yo'nal Ahk III
Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self nominated at 02:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Striking original hook - facts pertain more to coach than to team and image is not in nominated article. Had it not been bolded, I'd be more inclined to click on the coach (stub) article than the nominated one. Fuebaey (talk) 01:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Good points, Fuebaey. I'd be just as happy with either of the alternate hooks. Michael Barera (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- PS: I've juggled the hooks and alternates to reflect the striking of the original first choice, and I've added an image to the nomination that is actually used in the article. Michael Barera (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 15
William W. Cargill
- ... that William W. Cargill founded Cargill, the largest privately-held company in the US?
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- Reviewed: The Partisans (sculpture)
Created by Edwardx (talk), Nsteffel (talk), Zigzig20s (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 00:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
Margot (opera)
- ... that music from Joaquin Turina's opera Margot (libretto cover pictured) about a Parisian courtesan has become a popular piece during the processions of Holy Week in Seville?
Created/expanded by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Continental arc
- ... that continental arc volcanoes have magma formed from a mixture of melted asthenosphere and crustal rocks?
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- Reviewed: Battle of Besançon (first half)
Moved to mainspace by MichaelZuo (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 09:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Like Crazy
- ... that the 2011 film Like Crazy was shot with a Canon EOS 7D, a camera primarily designed for still photography?
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- ALT1:... that the 2011 film Like Crazy was filmed without a conventional screenplay, with almost all of the dialogue improvised by the actors?
- Reviewed: Howard Bergerson
Improved to Good Article status by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 06:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Creek Council Oak Tree
- ... that the modern city of Tulsa, Oklahoma was founded in 1836, when the Lochapoka Creeks created the town of talasi at the Creek Council Oak Tree (pictured) in Indian Territory?
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- Reviewed: Ralph Landau
- Comment: Draft moved from user space to main space on November 15, 2014.
Created by Bruin2 (talk). Self nominated at 20:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
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Article is new and meets all DYK rules. Hook is well referenced. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 20:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yoninah: Thanks for your comments. I have added in-line citations for the paragraphs indicated. I have changed the hook to the single l form to be consistent. There seem to be multiple spellings for the Creek name, but talasi is apparently the most common. The Creeks did not have a written language at that time, so writers usually wrote down what they thought they heard. Even English writers did not follow standardized spelling rules then. Bruin2 (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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José Villegas Cordero
- ... that José Villegas Cordero (self-portrait pictured) painted ecclesiastical paintings in a two year fit of depression after his brother fell off a boat and died?
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- Reviewed: Govanhill Baths
- Comment: Easy read
Created by WQUlrich (talk). Nominated by RTG (talk) at 05:37, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Strain partitioning
- ... that strain partitioning results in rocks being deformed in different ways when exposed to stress?
![](https://web.archive.org/web/20141208101309im_/http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Cleavage_of_a_woman.jpg/130px-Cleavage_of_a_woman.jpg)
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- ALT1:.. that strain partitioning in rocks containing a mixture of weak and strong minerals results in shear band cleavages?
- Reviewed: St. Stephen's Cathedral, Besançon (second half)
Created by Ajamesm28 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 02:18, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Metamorphic facies of subduction zones
- ... that metamorphic facies of subduction zones are characterized by low temperatures and high-ultrahigh pressures?
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- ALT1:... that as rocks are compressed as they are sink down below an oceanic trench, they release water that caused volcanoes to form above?
- Reviewed: will do one
Created by Eleanor W Smith (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 00:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Deicke and Millbrig Bentonite Layers
- ... that Deicke and Millbrig Bentonite Layers in eastern United States were formed by huge volcanic eruptions?
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- Reviewed: will do one
Moved to mainspace by T.J.Hebert (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 00:47, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Macquarie Triple Junction
- ... that three kinds of tectonic plate boundaries meet at the Macquarie Triple Junction?
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- ALT1:... that three kinds of tectonic plate boundaries including a leaky transform fault meet at the Macquarie Triple Junction?
- Reviewed: Audrey White
5x expanded by Sirbdurel (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 00:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Aalto Center
- ... that the plans for Seinäjoki City Theater, part of Aalto Center (pictured), were presented in 1969 but the building was constructed nearly two decades later in 1987?
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- ALT1:... that Alvar Aalto presented plans for a theater in Aalto Center (pictured) in 1969 but died before the building was constructed in 1987?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Peter Blondeau
Created by Jopo (talk). Self nominated at 09:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 16
Reilly Creek
- ... that Reilly Creek is the shortest named stream in the Nescopeck Creek watershed?
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- ALT1:... that Reilly Creek is the shortest named stream in the Nescopeck Creek watershed and is considerably shorter than even its own tributary, Mill Creek?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Leishu
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 00:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Wait. "Stony Creek" has a shorter name than "Reilly Creek", so Reilly Creek isn't, after all, the shortest named. EEng (talk) 05:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- EEng, the stream doesn't have the shortest name. ("Mill Creek" even is shorter.) The creek is the shortest such passage with a name in the watershed. So I propose:
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- ALT2: ... that Reilly Creek, the shortest stream in the Nescopeck Creek watershed with a name, is considerably shorter than even its own tributary, Mill Creek?
- Epicgenius (talk) 19:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius: ALT2 works for me. I've added Mill Creek to the nomination. If a QPQ is required for it, I'll do one soon. --Jakob (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Jakec: I am not so sure myself, but you can do a second QPQ to be on the safe side. Epicgenius (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius: ALT2 works for me. I've added Mill Creek to the nomination. If a QPQ is required for it, I'll do one soon. --Jakob (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I do hope you realized I was joking. How about this?
ALT2A: ... that while Reilly Creek is the shortest named stream in the Nescopeck Creek watershed, its tributary Mill Creek is the shortest named?ALT3B: ... that Reilly Creek and Mill Creek are, respectively, the shortest named and shortest-named streams in the Nescopeck Creek watershed?ALT3C ... that in the Nescopeck Creek watershed the shortest-named stream, Mill Creek, feeds the shortest named stream, Reilly Creek?
Personally I think 3B is best. We should never pass up an opportunity to educate the public about compound adjectives. EEng (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Hmm. Mill Creek has 9 letters. Long Run has 7, Falls Run has 8, and Scotch Run, Barnes Run, Woffs Run, Gravel Run, Oley Creek, and Conety Run all have 9. --Jakob (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- QPQ done. Template:Did you know nominations/Eystein Olafsson. --Jakob (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- (NB: For some reason, I didn't get the joke. But then again, I was zoned out before. Carry on...) Epicgenius (talk) 01:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Even better. This way we can present the Long and the short of it:
ALTX ... that in the Nescopeck Creek watershed the shortest named stream is Reilly Creek, the shortest-named Long Run?
Yes, it's grammatically correct (compare "In the divorce she got the house, he the business", though some would prefer a dash: "She got the house—he the business.") and it's designed to make the reader stop and puzzle a bit to figure it out. "Whah... uh... what?" Would be great if you can throw together a Long Run (Pennsylvania waterway) article. EEng (talk) 00:04, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yeah, that's better. Epicgenius (talk) 01:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
On reconsideration the ellipsis is too puzzling, so I've struck ALTX.
- ALT4 ... that in the Nescopeck Creek watershed the shortest named stream is Reilly Creek, but the shortest-named stream is Long Run?
EEng (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Epicgenius, EEng: If I went with this, I'd have to mention the fact about Reilly Creek in the article on Long Run and vice versa, and I can't really think of an excuse to do that. It'd look somewhat odd and might lead to some people exerting on the hook a force that acts in the direction of the force. For that reason, ALT1 or ALT2 is best in my opinion. --Jakob (talk) 17:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- If you fill in the cite-needed in this edit [14] you're all set. Take it from me, ALT4'll get 10,000 clicks. EEng (talk) 17:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with that, too. We need a Long Run article, don't we? ALT4 would be even better than one. Epicgenius (talk) 17:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, if you look at the diff in my previous post, you'll see the Reilly article gives everything you need for the hook (even though it's a bit of an odd fact to have there, and it might even get deleted after the DYK appearance, that doesn't really matter -- it's harmless to leave long enough to support the hook's appearance), so a Long Run article isn't strictly necessary. But this nom could just go on hold for a while until a Long Run article is ready, if preferred. EEng (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's also a good option to consider. Epicgenius (talk) 20:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, if you look at the diff in my previous post, you'll see the Reilly article gives everything you need for the hook (even though it's a bit of an odd fact to have there, and it might even get deleted after the DYK appearance, that doesn't really matter -- it's harmless to leave long enough to support the hook's appearance), so a Long Run article isn't strictly necessary. But this nom could just go on hold for a while until a Long Run article is ready, if preferred. EEng (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius, EEng: If I went with this, I'd have to mention the fact about Reilly Creek in the article on Long Run and vice versa, and I can't really think of an excuse to do that. It'd look somewhat odd and might lead to some people exerting on the hook a force that acts in the direction of the force. For that reason, ALT1 or ALT2 is best in my opinion. --Jakob (talk) 17:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that in the Nescopeck Creek watershed the shortest named stream is Reilly Creek, but the shortest-named stream is Long Run (and there are two Little Creeks)? EEng (talk) 17:53, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Side note to Jakec: I think it's great that you're getting all these waterways written up -- it's a great example of how someone with a special interest makes a special contribution. However, now that I look at the source material, I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense, rather than having a separate article for each creek, to have one article for each watershed, with a section for each creek/stream etc. (Not all creeds/streams would need the same level of treatment -- some could have "stub sections".) That way, you could also (maybe later) include integrating/overview material on what feeds what, pollution sources and what happens to pollutants as they move downstream, etc. I think this would give the interested reader a much better way to find out about a given watershed. Just a thought. (And, yes, it would mean 1/5 as many articles so maybe 1/5 as many DYK credits, but I don't think that's what you're after, is it?) EEng (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Re ALT5, I will soon (after this is done) make an article on Little Nescopeck Creek (not this one, but the other one) and nominate that for DYK with its own hook. As for merging the tributaries into one article, I tend to be a pretty strong inclusionist, so I'd hesitate to merge articles that can stand on their own, as these can in my opinion. However, I do sometimes write brief overviews of the tributaries of large creeks, such as List of tributaries of Catawissa Creek. I'll do a similar list for Nescopeck Creek once all the tributaries have articles. --Jakob (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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- This has nothing to do with that silly old inclusionist/deletionist dichotomy -- it has to do with what best serves the reader's understanding. These creek articles are 500 words each, and the (say) 10 of them in one watershed would fit very comfortably in a single 5000-word article; for a reader who just cares about one creek that's just as convenient (simply jump to the section on that creek) but for someone wanting an overview of the watershed, or to understand the relationship between Creek A and Creek B, it's much better. It seems to me an integrated article has lots of positives and no negatives. EEng (talk) 02:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- There would actually be 16, two of which are much longer than 500 words and have the potential to be GA. I certainly wouldn't want to merge those. In general, I don't like articles that look like several smaller articles one after the other under the same title. It'd look a bit disjointed. In general, I think readers expect to find one article not several when they go to a specific page. And for those who do want a quick overview of all the tributaries, List of tributaries of Nescopeck Creek will be blue within the next few weeks or so. --Jakob (talk) 17:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with that silly old inclusionist/deletionist dichotomy -- it has to do with what best serves the reader's understanding. These creek articles are 500 words each, and the (say) 10 of them in one watershed would fit very comfortably in a single 5000-word article; for a reader who just cares about one creek that's just as convenient (simply jump to the section on that creek) but for someone wanting an overview of the watershed, or to understand the relationship between Creek A and Creek B, it's much better. It seems to me an integrated article has lots of positives and no negatives. EEng (talk) 02:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Review request for the article. The wall of text is a hook discussion. Feel free to dive in and pick one. Fuebaey (talk) 23:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Please use this hook: ... that Reilly Creek is one of the shortest named streams in the Nescopeck Creek watershed and is considerably shorter than even its own tributary, Mill Creek?
Epsilon Coronae Borealis
- ... that the radial velocity of the star Epsilon Coronae Borealis was observed for seven years before the discovery of its planet was announced?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk), StringTheory11 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 02:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
Odda, Ealdorman of Devon
- ... that in 878 an army of West Saxons led by Odda, Ealdorman of Devon captured the raven banner of Ubba?
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- Reviewed: The Boat Race 1845
Created by Retroplum (talk). Self nominated at 22:35, 16 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 17
Samuel Furman Hunt
- ... that 20 year old Cincinnati civilian Samuel Furman Hunt lowered the Confederate flag over the Capitol after Confederate troops abandoned Richmond?
Created by Roseohioresident (talk). Self nominated at 23:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
California Proposition 47 (2014)
- ... that it has been estimated that the measure Proposition 47, enacted this year in California, will affect about 40,000 annual felony convictions in that state?
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- Reviewed: Central Mental Hospital
Created by Everymorning (talk). Self nominated at 01:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
Ainigmapsychops
- ... that the extinct lacewing Ainigmapsychops takes part of its name from the Greek ainigma?
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- Reviewed: Maytenus oleoides
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 22:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
LinkNYC
- ... that New York City plans to use its payphone network to provide free WiFi coverage over the five boroughs?
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- Reviewed: Tomorrow
- Comment: Short review
Created by AbderrahmanNajjar (talk). Nominated by RTG (talk) at 22:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
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@RTG: What's good: Created November 17, 1,977 characters, neutral, well sourced. Hook is 106 characters, interesting and hot off the presses, cited to ref 2, neutral. No image. What needs work: 1) QPQ needs doing. 2) "and will hold a public hearing before taking a vote" is a ten-word phrase that shows up in ref 1 and the article; it's a little more than I'm comfortable with...could it be rephrased so it wasn't verbatim from the source? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @Bobamnertiopsis: I've rephrased the public hearing part. As for the picture part, I could upload a picture of a Link unit (either one of them, or both) and use in the article. However, they're released as part of the media kit, copyrighted. The Flickr account listed in the media kit for high-res pictures and use lists the license as "copyrighted" under each picture. The media kit and website, however, don't mention any type of license, so it's safe to assume that it's all copyrighted. The Link pictures fulfill Wikipedia's criteria for fair-use upload, but I'm not entirely convinced it serves such an important role in the article. No text logo (such as the one in the website or media kit) is found in the Flickr account (to be exempt from upload & use restrictions). Please advise on that if you would. ¬Hexafluoride (talk) 13:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, no, I don't think this needs a picture at all...it will, I'm sure, get one once these things are actually built but it's not a problem that there's no picture now. The comment "No image" from above was merely remarking upon the fact that the hook doesn't include an image and as such, there's no necessity to check whether said image is free because it does not exist. Thanks for fixing that line; QPQ still needs to be done. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Bobamnertiopsis: @RTG: was the nominator, he has to review a DYK, if I understand QPQ correctly
- Yep, they or someone else needs to do a QPQ before this can advance. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 07:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Bobamnertiopsis: @RTG: was the nominator, he has to review a DYK, if I understand QPQ correctly
- Oh, no, I don't think this needs a picture at all...it will, I'm sure, get one once these things are actually built but it's not a problem that there's no picture now. The comment "No image" from above was merely remarking upon the fact that the hook doesn't include an image and as such, there's no necessity to check whether said image is free because it does not exist. Thanks for fixing that line; QPQ still needs to be done. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Bobamnertiopsis: I've rephrased the public hearing part. As for the picture part, I could upload a picture of a Link unit (either one of them, or both) and use in the article. However, they're released as part of the media kit, copyrighted. The Flickr account listed in the media kit for high-res pictures and use lists the license as "copyrighted" under each picture. The media kit and website, however, don't mention any type of license, so it's safe to assume that it's all copyrighted. The Link pictures fulfill Wikipedia's criteria for fair-use upload, but I'm not entirely convinced it serves such an important role in the article. No text logo (such as the one in the website or media kit) is found in the Flickr account (to be exempt from upload & use restrictions). Please advise on that if you would. ¬Hexafluoride (talk) 13:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Robert Simpson (athlete)
- ... that Robert Simpson ran under the old high hurdles world record seven times in one year?
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- ALT1:... that Robert Simpson, who once ran under the old high hurdles world record seven times in one year, studied at the University of Missouri?
- Reviewed: Marko Happich
Created by Sideways713 (talk). Self nominated at 14:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
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- He ran under the high what? I'm not kidding -- I don't understand what that means. EEng (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Under the old world record (15.0 seconds) for the 120 yard hurdles (an event also known as the high hurdles, due to being the race with the highest hurdles). I'll be happy if you can suggest a more accessible wording; I can't think of one for this hook fact.
Maybe a different hook fact could be used, for example:
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- ALT2:... that Robert Simpson, who set world records in both the 120 yd hurdles and the 220 yd hurdles, studied at the University of Missouri?
- Sideways713 (talk) 11:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- OK, but can we please stop having hooks that jumble together unrelated information? OK, so he studied at Missouri -- is that interesting because people from Missouri are widely regarded as unable to run and jump? (God, I'm really a grump today.) How about his gold medals? That he coached all over the world? That he served in both world wars (not related to his athletics, but interesting on its own). EEng (talk) 14:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Let's try a clarification of the original hook, shall we?Georgejdorner (talk) 15:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that Robert Simpson broke the old high hurdles world record seven times in one year?
- OK, but can we please stop having hooks that jumble together unrelated information? OK, so he studied at Missouri -- is that interesting because people from Missouri are widely regarded as unable to run and jump? (God, I'm really a grump today.) How about his gold medals? That he coached all over the world? That he served in both world wars (not related to his athletics, but interesting on its own). EEng (talk) 14:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Under the old world record (15.0 seconds) for the 120 yard hurdles (an event also known as the high hurdles, due to being the race with the highest hurdles). I'll be happy if you can suggest a more accessible wording; I can't think of one for this hook fact.
Articles created/expanded on November 18
Linus Bylund
- ... that politician for the Sweden Democrats Linus Bylund as part of the duo Korpöga has made an election campaign song for the party?
Created by Iselilja (talk). Self nominated at 19:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
Bradley–Terry model
- ... that the Bradley–Terry model can be used to predict which team will win a match, which wine is best, or which documents a search engine should display first?
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- Reviewed: San Lorenzo in Piscibus.
- Comment: Technical article about a statistics topic; but the example applications should be just sexy enough to make this interesting for just enough people.
Created by Qwertyus (talk). Self nominated at 22:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC).
The Garden of Words
- ... that the emotional closing scene in the award-winning animated film The Garden of Words by Makoto Shinkai was recorded perfectly on the first take?
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- ALT1:... that the animated film The Garden of Words by Makoto Shinkai was released both in theaters and in digital format on the same day and the DVD/Blu-ray were released while it was still in theaters?
- ALT2:... that the animated film The Garden of Words by Makoto Shinkai is a love story intended to convey the traditional Japanese meaning of "love", koi, or "lonely sadness"?
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- ALT3:... that the animated film The Garden of Words by Makoto Shinkai was based on photos from Shinjuku Gyoen National Garden (pictured) and used Man'yōshū Japanese poetry?
ALT4:... that during its Japanese premiere, the animated film The Garden of Words by Makoto Shinkai was screened alongside his other new work, the 6-minute short Dareka no Manazashi?- Reviewed: Caballeros de la Quema
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Due to a lack of reviews, the title mentioned in ALT4 is also awaiting DYK approval. Therefore ALT4 could combine them into one. Personally, I favor separate listings solely because I feel this article's original and other alternative hooks sound far more interesting.Also, the picture is only intended to be used with ALT3. – Maky « talk » 21:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
5x expanded by Maky (talk). Self nominated at 21:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
Progressive All-Student Unionist Camp
- ... that in December 1979 the Progressive All-Student Unionist Camp mobilized students to occupy Greek universities?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 21:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
El Marino
- ... that El Marino, a newspaper published in 1917 in the beach resort of Pichilemu, Chile, resumed publications online in 2013?
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- ALT1:... that El Marino was the second newspaper to be published in the beach resort of Pichilemu, Chile, in 1917?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cubic Ninja
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nominated at 15:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Comment: Possibly self-promotion (Diego Grez is the owner of El Marino) and WP:COI. --Sfs90 (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Indeed, I am the owner of El Marino, and it's pretty much clear as my name appears on the article. However, I minimalized my role on the newspaper as much as I could. I asked some guys at #wikipedia-en-help, too, to check whether it was neutral or not; all of them concluded it was neutral. --Diego Grez (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment. There appear to be no independent sources that suggest that there is any meaningful connection between the 1917 newspaper and the 2014 website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- As stated on the Good article review, there is a document from the National Library of Chile (which I can provide if requested) that states the 2013 website is the continuation of the 1917 publication. Anyway, the alternative hook is way better than the first suggestion. --Diego Grez (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- And would you care to inform us as to who is responsible for the creation of this document? Am I right in assuming that it has been created upon the request of a person wishing to register the fact that they are creating a website as a continuation of the 1917 newspaper, or for some similar bureaucratic purpose? I very much doubt that the Chilean bureaucracy documents such things spontaneously, just to pass the time of day... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Chilean law requires all newspapers and other publications to register before the National Library of Chile. How does one complete such registration? A document needs to be given to the provincial government (in this case, Cardenal Caro province government) containing the name of the publication, URL (if it's an online publication), names of the editor, sub-editor, proprietary, address, telephones, SSNs (RUTs), photocopies of the ID cards, and other notes if needed (in this case, notification that the online newspaper was the continuation of the 1917 publication, with official documents included). Once the people at the gobernación receive it, the Province Governor sends an official letter to the Director of the National Library of Chile, asking for the new media to be included in their registry. The National Library inspects upon the documents, and once they approve the inclusion, they request media proprietaries to deposit copies of their publications, a procedure called the depósito legal electrónico. Diego Grez (talk) 03:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- And it was you that performed this registration I presume? If so, this clearly isn't an independent source for anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Uh oh: WP:ANI#Conflict_of_interest_in_regard_to_our_article_on_El_Marino.2C_a_1917_Chilean_newspaper. EEng (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- That discussion is now archived. Most of people at ANI said it was not problematic that I wrote this article, and the fact that it's a continuation is already referenced. Diego Grez (talk) 12:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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- What is the potential benefit a Spanish-language newspaper, based in a country where only the 4 per cent speaks English, could obtain by getting it published on the main page of the English Wikipedia? Based on my experience, on previous hooks published about Pichilemu, no more than two or three hundred people actually view the article during the day it appears on the main page. Diego Grez (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The archiving at ANI was only because it's not really an ANI matter. That still leaves the fact that this has a very bad smell of using DYK for self-promotion. I'll say no more until others have a chance to look as well. EEng (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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North Shore Towers
- ... that prospective residents of the North Shore Towers, at the border of Long Island and New York City, must be screened?
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- ALT1:... that the North Shore Towers is the only gated residential community in New York with its own United States Postal Service zip code?
- Reviewed: Did you know nominations/Phyllis C. Richman
- Comment: User:JonFursh created most of the content five years ago, and is no longer active. I only recently nominated it for GA, successfully, after copy-editing.
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self nominated at 03:44, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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I love the article, which is a topic I'm more than familiar with but learned a great deal about from the content here. The article appears to meet criteria and I'd go with ALT1, but the link provided in the article is dead. Furthermore, I'm not sure that the North Shore Towers Courier is the best kind of source for this kind of claim. Could a different hook use the details regarding energy independence? Alansohn (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Ashok Kumar (cinematographer)
- ... that Ashok Kumar was the cinematographer of India's first 3D film My Dear Kuttichathan?
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5x expanded by Vensatry (talk). Self nominated at 19:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on November 19
Authors Guild v. HathiTrust
- ... that Google Books Library Project unintentionally created a "transformative" digital library for print-disabled students?
5x expanded by Jethrogb (talk). Nominated by Beccastanger (talk) at 08:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
Pearl Lady
- ... that Pearl Lady remained unidentified until 2014 after a fingerprint comparison?
Created by Gourami Watcher (talk). Self nominated at 03:28, 22 November 2014 (UTC).
Nomination is on hold; article has been nominated for deletion. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Lolani
- ... that Lou Ferrigno (pictured) was reminded of his role in The Incredible Hulk when he appeared in the Star Trek Continues episode "Lolani"?
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- ALT1:... that Rod Roddenberry said his father, Gene Roddenberry, would have been "extremely proud" of the Star Trek Continues episode "Lolani"?
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Created by LowLevel73 (talk). Nominated by Miyagawa (talk) at 09:53, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Adding Alt2:... that Lou Ferrigno (pictured) was reminded of his role in The Incredible Hulk when he appeared as a green Orion trader in the Star Trek Continues episode "Lolani"? Miyagawa (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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Miyagawa, as this was nominated after the new rules went into effect, a QPQ will be required, as they are now for all nominations, whether self-noms or noms of articles by others. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- No problem, I didn't know about the change - I'll review one and add it here. Miyagawa (talk) 13:51, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Beaver Brook State Park
- ... that Beaver Brook State Park's name may derive from a beaver pond that was once present?
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- ALT1:... that Beaver Brook State Park allows only small, motor-less vessels on its ponds from May 16 to October 31?
- Reviewed: Not a self-nomination.
Improved to Good Article status by ChrisGualtieri (talk). Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk) at 11:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC).
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The Partisans (sculpture)
- ... that the temporary removal of The Partisans, a Boston sculpture depicting Polish cursed soldiers, triggered protests of Polonia?
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Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 14:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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- New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. Link to Polonia in hook is to a disambiguation page. In the article itself, Polonia is a piped link to Polish diaspora, and I don't see how this makes sense if that was meant to be the link in the hook too. However, "triggered protests" is supported by at least two of the sources (I can't read the Polish one), so I'd suggest either cutting "of Polonia" or replacing it with "by Polish-Americans", although it seems fairly obvious to me that they would be the ones protesting, and thus in the interests of concision should be omitted. Of course, you might not be into the whole brevity thing. NPOV. Dup detector reveals no serious issues with close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. Hook is good. All paragraphs cited. Image is okay for front page. Edwardx (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey
- ... that the Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey program (pictured) has won three Big Ten Conference regular-season championships and one conference tournament title?
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Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self nominated at 05:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
- WITH ALT1 WE HAVE SURELY REACHED THE ABSOLUTE DEPTHS IN THE UTTERLY STUPID, BORING, WHO-GIVES-A-SHIT HOOK DEPARTMENT. ARE THERE NEVER TO BE ANY LIMITS ON HOW PEDESTRIAN A HOOK CAN BE? YES I'M SHOUTING. FROM THE ROOFTOPS I SHOUT IT! EEng (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I admit the alternate hook is a bit unusual, which is why I made it the alternate. I'd personally prefer the first hook (which is why I made it the first choice), but I felt that it may be seen as not interesting enough for DYK.
- I understand what you're saying about an expectation of plentiful locker rooms and the high cost of postsecondary education, but that operates at a level of subtlety not normally appreciated here at DYK. Back to the point at hand this is quite near the dumbest hook ever. EEng (talk) 00:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The background details don't matter, because no matter how you cut it, you can't breathe life into a hook about such a trivial, minor detail which no one not directly affected could possibly care about. Think about it: can you imagine the following discussion at the office water cooler:
- Bob: Hey, Bill, did you know that visiting opponents of the Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey team typically utilize the locker rooms of the university's softball venue?
- Bill: You don't say! <rushing off> Hey, Joe, have you heard? Visiting opponents of the ...
- Get what I mean? If even all 8 billion people on earth read that hook, not one would pass it on to a friend, coworker, or spouse. Not one. And if they did, they might get shot by people angry that little slice of their life had been so blatantly wasted. It's utterly unrepeatable.
- The background details don't matter, because no matter how you cut it, you can't breathe life into a hook about such a trivial, minor detail which no one not directly affected could possibly care about. Think about it: can you imagine the following discussion at the office water cooler:
- PS: If everyone really does feel that the alternate hook is terrible, I'd be happy to scratch it and just go with the the first choice. I just personally don't think that it is terrible, but if I'm in the minority on that point, I wouldn't hesitate to simply remove the ALT from this nomination. Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- No offense taken. I understand your criticism, EEng, and I certainly agree with you that it isn't the most exciting DYK hook. However, I don't think that it is that bad, and for someone with a bit of background knowledge perhaps it is even a bit interesting (at least I think so, for the reasons I've already laid out). For someone who's been to Ohio Stadium, I think that the difference in facilities from one varsity program to another at the same university is at least mildly interesting. Maybe if you don't know the context it seems to be "utterly unrepeatable", so once again perhaps my greatest mistake was overestimating general knowledge about Ohio State athletics.
- Please understand that my rant isn't directed at you specifically or even your hook. It's simply that, by an accident of the raw material you're working with, you've managed to compose the perfect standard-bearer for the many truly stultifying hooks that get passed through each week. EEng (talk) 02:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Well, I guess in some NCAA administrative office, that conversation could in fact have taken place. EEng (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, again, I don't feel it's that terrible at all. Some people would be annoyed about collegiate athletics; some at Title IX issues; some at funding for particular sports; some at facility design. There are much, much worse hooks... and it's the ALT we're going to ignore anyway. (Fixed the phrasing, though.)
- Well, I guess in some NCAA administrative office, that conversation could in fact have taken place. EEng (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- PS: Does anyone have an interest in reviewing the nomination? It isn't very long and all of the references that I cited are freely available on the Internet. Michael Barera (talk) 05:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- How noble of you, offering your hook as a kind of altruistic sacrifice, so that its fellow hooks will have a better chance of propagating their superior genetics. Unfortuntely, DYK Rule 3a wants each hook to stand on its own two feet -- a kind of hook Darwinism: "The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience." I thought about your statement that there are much, much worse hooks, and it turns out you're right:
- ALTMUCHMUCHWORSE ... the Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey program's Buckeye Varsity Field features 3/8" closed-cell perforated foam padding?
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- P.S. In a weird way, that's so studiedly dull that it has a kind of in-your-face, so-what-if-I'm-dull attractiveness. You might get a few clicks with that one after all. EEng (talk) 16:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- See, I knew you would come around eventually. It seems like a fun game to try to come up with the worst possible hook for a given article. It's surprisingly hard. I was thinking of going for ...'s only Olympian—Sue Marcellus—failed to bring home a medal? but that leads to two interesting points: it's because she got shafted when the US boycotted the 1980 Olympics and it's really cool to see that Zimbabwe won gold that year. In any case, we should probably hesh up and let someone review the actual hook. — LlywelynII 18:33, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- How noble of you, offering your hook as a kind of altruistic sacrifice, so that its fellow hooks will have a better chance of propagating their superior genetics. Unfortuntely, DYK Rule 3a wants each hook to stand on its own two feet -- a kind of hook Darwinism: "The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience." I thought about your statement that there are much, much worse hooks, and it turns out you're right:
- Here's a discussion worth having: should we reject articles because of our subjective/quasi-objective ideas of "boring"? or isn't it worth rewarding people creating new articles by letting them all come through if they meet WP:NOTABILITY? My own thought is that being too strict about "interest" would introduce bias, discourage contributors, and risk dry spells where no DYK "qualified" to be shown. Further, if this hook is boring, it makes the interesting hooks look all the more enticing by being next to it, the way less attractive wingmen/BFFs help you seem better by comparison. — LlywelynII 08:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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Armenian Orphan rug
... that the Armenian Orphan rug (pictured) was woven by four hundred orphans and contains over four million hand-woven knots?
Created by EtienneDolet (talk). Self nominated at 04:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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Date, size, refs, hook neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, all green. I'd however suggest that a more interesting hook could mention the words Armenian Genocide. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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@EtienneDolet:, the talk page and history have reflected active disagreement on sections of the article by User:Tiptoethrutheminefield. Is the page stable now? Yoninah (talk) 16:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think EtienneDolet was trying to get this to DYN while the rug was still on public display, so was rushing things a bit. The content I objected to was wording that was stating as fact something that was only an opinion, and which did not give anything of the context. EtienneDolet then removed that content so that the DYK could proceed. I would actually like to see that removed content put back sometime but worded more neutrally and with the context explained. As far as stability goes I don't think there will be any future content disagreement, but there is more content that could be added (just like for most articles, so it is not a DYK impediment). I'm sure there is more material that could be added about the circumstances of its creation (for example, there seems to be a connection with Jakob Künzler, who is not mentioned in the article). None of the current content seems derived from the only book on the subject (Deranian's 2013 book "President Calvin Coolidge and the Armenian orphan rug") - not having seen the book I don't know if this is resulting in any omissions but it might be more specific about when the weaving of the rug was started (rather than the vague "early 1920s"). Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Yoninah (talk · contribs), as Tiptoethrutheminefield says above, there really isn't an active disagreement anymore and I don't see why this nomination shouldn't move forward. Of course, expansion can always be a big plus, but this expansion is no different from any other expansion of any other article. I look forward to working with Tiptoethrutheminefield to make this article even better. As for this nomination, Yoninah, would you be willing to rereview this nomination? If so please provide the proper tick accordingly. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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ALT1 good to go Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on November 20
Hadatha
- ... that French explorer Victor Guérin visited the now de-populated Palestinian Arab village of Hadatha, near Tiberias, in 1875?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 19:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/San Luis Obispo de Tolosa Parish Church
The nomination is nine days after start of expansion, 20 November 2014. This is two days late, but I wonder if there is an exception in this case. If not, then this nomination can be rejected. --George Ho (talk) 08:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but according to Wikipedia:Did you know/Not exactly: "P1: If your article was created or expanded after the oldest date listed in Template talk:Did you know#Older nominations, it may still be approved. So you have at least seven days, but probably a few more." And Template_talk:Did_you_know#Older_nominations points to 17 September, which would give us plenty of room? Or is there something which I haven´t understood, here? Huldra (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Youth in South Africa
- ... that 70% of unemployed people in South Africa are between the ages of 15 and 24?
Created by Macmaclee (talk). Nominated by Prof.Vandegrift (talk) at 05:28, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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Long enough, new enough (barely), AGF on sources, hook appears to be cited, good to go. Zappa(5–7)Mati 23:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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The first sentence of the lead has a tag. This article should also be reviewed closely for accuracy and scope. Yoninah (talk) 00:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- I am working with the editor to remove the tag. The article has been reviewed by four reviewers for quality of sources. The scope, we believe, is appropriate, and is related in scope to other articles written for the Drake University course Global Youth Studies. Thanks!Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 17:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Webber Park Library
- ... that the first iteration of what would become Webber Park Library was housed in a drug store?
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Created by Ianstade (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 21:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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Bobamnertiopsis, the DYK rules changed effective November 21: all nominations require QPQs, not just self-nominations, once the user has made the first five. A QPQ will be needed here. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Oops, I haven't nominated in a while. My bad. QPQ done. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 17:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Computer Engineer Barbie
- ... that girls are better at computers than boys?
Created by Tokyogirl79 (talk). Drmies(talk), - Nominated by Hafspajen (talk) at 17:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
- ALT1... that Computer Engineer Barbie was created in 2010 at the urging of women in technology but the accompanying book depicts Barbie as helpless without men's assistance?
- ALT2... that the book accompanying Computer Engineer Barbie was withdrawn in 2014 after protests that it depicts Barbie as incompetent with computers?
- ALT3... that Computer Engineer Barbie runs Linux?
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- @Yngvadottir, Tokyogirl79: As the main content creators, would it be possible to reduce the number of redundant inline cites? It's not a DYK requirement, but having more than three citations (running the same story) for a statement does impair the readability of the article. I'd rather not have to close this on such a simple fix. Fuebaey (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, you can talk to Yngvadottir on her page, but she expressed her wish not to remove references. If that's a reason not to give green tick than we decline and thereby withdraw nomination. Sorry. Hafspajen (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Last chance - Drmies could maybe come up with some solution, cheers, Hafspajen (talk) 00:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Prioryman, I made a sneaky little tweak. Does it look better to you? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- BTW, I agree with choosing ALT1. Drmies (talk) 00:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Last hope. Hafspajen (talk) 04:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- My last hope is that not each and any DYK entry will be treated like this. FUBAR Serten 06:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Overreaction much? I've amended the article myself to sort out the citation overkill. A case in point: the simple three-word statement "the company apologized" was cited to no less than four sources. This is unnecessary and as Fuebaey rightly says above, it harms readability. You only need one source for a statement that simple and uncontentious. I've been through the article and sources carefully and found other problems that I fixed; I found a quotation (which I've removed) that wasn't in any of the cited sources and some sources were being cited even though they did not mention the things they were supposedly being cited to support. I've fixed this one too. Given that I've edited the article significantly I'm probably not now best placed to sign it off here, so I'll ask for another editor to complete the review. Prioryman (talk) 09:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- My last hope is that not each and any DYK entry will be treated like this. FUBAR Serten 06:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I know Yngvadottir for a very conscious editor, who is very careful to do things right. I do not really feel that readability has been much compromised, to be sincere. For any editor who will take over - you may want to read THIS : User talk:Drmies#For you and talk-page stalkers: Overlapping good intentions - about the history of this article, how two editors started to write two articles in the same time ( with the amount of references required) - and how theses got merged into one. An explanation for the amount of refs. It's all here at User talk:Drmies#For you and talk-page stalkers: Overlapping good intentions. Hafspajen (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Last hope. Hafspajen (talk) 04:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please note that a QPQ review will need to be done. Effective November 21, all nominations for DYK are subject to QPQ requirements, not solely self-nominations, and Hafspajen has more than five DYK credits. Question: Drmies is mentioned in the initial DYK credits, but not given a DYKmake. Is this an oversight, or a deliberate choice? BlueMoonset (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- BlueMoonset, I'll have a look later today when I have time. Prioryman, I thank you for your edits and your assistance. Give me a bit of time--Hafspajen, take it easy, all is well. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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(edit conflict):MIES; you always have to edit conflict me! No problem at all. See above added. My only question. Are those counted like seven or just one, because it was just as much of a work to review each and every one, like if they were singles. Hafspajen (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- BlueMoonset .. Hafspajen (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- (edit conflict) Hafspajen, QPQs are article for article, so you've only used one of them here. It looks like Gerda Arendt has already claimed QPQ credit for at least one of the seven nominated articles, so be sure to claim only the ones you did. Thanks for the quick response! (Drmies already pinged me; now I have an edit conflict!) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Oh, NOW I remember! Yes, I mean, no - it was three she did, Dârjiu fortified church; Viscri fortified churchand Câlnic Citadel . Mine were Biertan fortified church, Prejmer fortified church, Saschiz fortified church and .. hm, lost a church somewhere. Hafspajen (talk) 15:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- AH, it was Valea Viilor fortified church. So I use then Biertan fortified church for this nom. Sill have 3 left plus two articles more somewhere. Hafspajen (talk) 15:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- OK, I have a proposal. Let's just run it like it is. I didn't really see the point of all this pruning, but I also don't see the purpose a continued battle serves. Prioryman made at least one good point ("get their geek on"), and while I don't agree that so many of these references had to be cut, it's more important that the world gets to have a good laugh at the possibly well-intentioned but totally boneheaded attempt that CEB stands for--and maybe the next Barbie will be more real. Let's just run it.
One more thing, if I may. Prioryman, we've met before; Fuebaey, I don't believe we have, but I've done a DYK review or two. I have very high standards for DYKs and more than once have I had to hear "but that it's good writing is not a DYK requirement!" and stuff like that. Perhaps there is a plethora of citations here, perhaps there are too many, perhaps--on the other hand--a point is made by the wealth of citations: the qualities of CEB are widely recognized to be ridiculous, and that's a point worth emphasizing. The number of citations in the pre-Prioryman version is high, yes, but the article was not unreadable, far from it, and saying it might not pass because of it is not kosher: it does not fit with DYK practice, it poses abnormally high standards, and it diminishes the work done by and investment of by the writers which, as you should be able to tell, is significant. But let's just run it, get a bunch of hits, and we'll see what happens with the article afterward. BlueMoonset, please send this on if you can. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Drmies: I don't think we have met but I've seen you mosey around. I have nothing against the article and if I had, I wouldn't have bothered trying to convince the nominator not to withdraw. I did state that citation spam would not disqualify this DYK and it would have been a lot less dramatic had the nominator called for a new reviewer if they disagreed with the original review. No one can force a reviewer to pass something they are not comfortable with, even if it's not a DYK requirement. Expecting a reviewer to fix issues is counterproductive because it prevents them from approving that same submission. Given the dearth of reviewers, a little appreciation wouldn't go amiss for someone taking the time to go through the nomination. Yes, some do point out inconsequential things but the bigger picture is it gets posted quicker with a simple fix. Though a block of text is a good way to elicit tl;dr and a longer wait. Good luck anyways. Fuebaey (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Fuebaey, I appreciate the work. I have a few hundred DYKs, so I have a few hundred DYKs--believe me, I know what it is like to not get thanked, but I also know what it's like to fix articles that are nominated. I just wouldn't call this "citation spam". Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Point is, ones comfort zone feeling is not to be main base of reviews. Compare Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_110#Davis_Run_in_Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FDavis_Run. Serten 08:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Drmies: I don't think we have met but I've seen you mosey around. I have nothing against the article and if I had, I wouldn't have bothered trying to convince the nominator not to withdraw. I did state that citation spam would not disqualify this DYK and it would have been a lot less dramatic had the nominator called for a new reviewer if they disagreed with the original review. No one can force a reviewer to pass something they are not comfortable with, even if it's not a DYK requirement. Expecting a reviewer to fix issues is counterproductive because it prevents them from approving that same submission. Given the dearth of reviewers, a little appreciation wouldn't go amiss for someone taking the time to go through the nomination. Yes, some do point out inconsequential things but the bigger picture is it gets posted quicker with a simple fix. Though a block of text is a good way to elicit tl;dr and a longer wait. Good luck anyways. Fuebaey (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
San Lorenzo in Piscibus
- ... that the ancient Roman church of San Lorenzo in Piscibus was briefly used as a sculpture studio before being reconsecrated by Pope John Paul II in 1983?
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- ALT1:... that the Roman church of San Lorenzo in Piscibus takes its name from a fish market that used to be located nearby?
- Reviewed: Jacob Hannemann
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nominated at 21:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, seems to meet policy. I can read Italian and have verified that the first hook text is corroborated by the reference; however, I'm not sure the private website Roma Segreta ("Secret Rome") is the best of sources. Maybe its biography and a GBooks search can be used to find a better source? The second hook text is not presented as a fact in the article, only as a possibility. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 22:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I've already done the QPQ review, as noted above: Jacob Hannemann. — AJDS talk 07:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment: I would try to avoid "Roman", because it could (at a glance) also mean built by the ancient Romans or be confused with Romanesque, - perhaps "in Rome"? Perhaps think about "ancient" also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Yung Fung-shee
- ... that two healthcare centres (one of them pictured) are named after Yung Fung-shee because she left her estate to the Hong Kong Government?
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- Comment: This article is translated from the Chinese Wikipedia. I am not in a rush to promote this article and I understand that the article may contain several issues to be resolved. I may need some time to reply. All reviewers can feel free to review the article.
Moved to mainspace by HYH.124 (talk). Self nominated at 09:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC).
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- The article confuses an "inheritance" with bequest. Her inheritance would be something she received from someone else's estate, not that which she left to others. EEng (talk) 13:12, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Made a quick edit pass. Good luck! EEng (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, but unfortunately, your edits have shown certain errors, for example, "Her 1969 will provided that assets then HK$3 million go to the Hong Kong Government for the construction of free healthcare centres and clinics for the needy". You have also removed some information in the article, so I will be proofreading it again. HYH.124 (talk) 04:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Made a quick edit pass. Good luck! EEng (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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Youth in Nigeria
... that youth in Nigeria are ...?
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Created by Hatigges (talk). Nominated by Gobonobo (talk) at 06:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
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The "citation needed" tags have been removed, but the hook is unacceptable and the sourcing is still quite problematic. The primary source (FN1) is just given as "Nigeria 2009 National Youth Policy", and there must be more information included about it than just what I'm assuming is a document title. There are two bare URLs, FN5 and FN8, which are not allowed for DYKs; further, FN8 is an invalid URL, and assuming the space was added accidentally, takes you to a web page that doesn't mention Nigeria at all. If this is to be cited, an exact web page is needed, along with additional information. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 21
Dolores (Ziegfeld girl)
- ... that Ziegfeld girl Dolores (pictured) was described as the first celebrity clothes model?
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- ALT1:... that Dolores (pictured) was credited with inventing the "blank hauteur" of the modern fashion model?
- ALT2:... that Dolores (pictured) was described by Florenz Ziegfeld, Jr. as "The loveliest showgirl in the world"?
- Reviewed: Asilo de San Vicente de Paul
5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk). Self nominated at 20:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
interesting article, well illustrated, on good sources (offline accepted AGF). Hook: fine but saying a bit too little. Perhaps add Ziegler girl? ALT1: you have to want to know what "blank hauteur" means to click. Perhaps add "unsmiling". (I still don't know what it means, btw.) ALT2: anybody could name his favourite that, I prefer the others. - Do you hate infoboxes? - I would prefer the pic showing more costume (added). I think the article could easily move to GA and up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you Gerda. I don't hate info boxes, I will add one. Amended the first hook. I agree the second hook is cryptic which is why I made it only second. Agree anyone could name a favourite but being named as a favourite by Ziegfeld is better than me naming a favourite if you are a model. Are you reviewing the article? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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yes ;) - original hook and dress image preferred, - so good we don't need to think about improving the other hooks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you but there is this: ALT3:... that Tudor Wilkinson gave Hermann Göring a painting in exchange for freeing his wife Dolores (pictured) from a Nazi internment camp? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Yes, mentioning Nazi always attracts extra attention, but I hesitate to link two men in a hook about a woman, gender gap, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I am happy with any of them but here is another idea where she is the active party: ALT4:... that Ziegfeld girl Dolores (pictured) helped the French Resistance in Paris during the Second World War? Philafrenzy (talk) 13:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- That's a good one but needs more precise sourcing. In ref 32, LA Times obituary, I read that a memoir was written. It's given as source for details I don't see it it. Also there's this "according to", - do we have to take that to the hook? Would be not so good. - If we take it, we can drop World War, - Resistance is enough, I think, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Ref 33 is right behind the stated hook fact Gerda. I don't think we need to add "according to" etc as we try to keep hooks pithy - the details are all in the article. ALT4a:... that fashion model Dolores (pictured) helped the French Resistance in Paris during the Second World War? Philafrenzy (talk) 02:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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New day. Sorry, I don't see any ref behind the sentence "In fact, according to the memoirs of Drue Tartière, Dolores and Tudor Wilkinson were both heavily involved in the resistance." which is the hook "fact" for me. How about ALT5:... that Dolores, the star of the Ziegfeld Follies from 1917 (pictured), helped the French Resistance in Paris during the Second World War?
You have two options: proceed in that direction, then you will need a new reviewer, or stick with my approval of the original hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- It was behind "She wrote that a short wave radio had been concealed at 18 Quai d'Orleans so that the Resistance could communicate with London, and machine guns were hidden behind the fireplace and elsewhere in the apartment." But I have put it in the earlier sentence too. Is it a rule that you can only approve one hook? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:14, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is that I can't review a hook a created myself. I have been told so several times and don't need another occurrence ;) - The other rule is that the citation has to be right behind the fact (I understand: when it's mentioned the first time, not only somewhere later), thanks for doing so. It doesn't hurt to repeat a citation, nor to introduce it early. If you don't like it there you can remove it when DYK is over ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- I am getting confused now. Could you strike the ones that are no good in your opinion. It's OK to approve with multiple hooks isn't it? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is that I can't review a hook a created myself. I have been told so several times and don't need another occurrence ;) - The other rule is that the citation has to be right behind the fact (I understand: when it's mentioned the first time, not only somewhere later), thanks for doing so. It doesn't hurt to repeat a citation, nor to introduce it early. If you don't like it there you can remove it when DYK is over ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
The Rocket (painting)
... that Edward Middleton Manigault was inspired by fireworks in the fall (pictured)?
Created by Hafspajen (talk), Sagaciousphil (talk) (honorary member not to bothered with questions) . Nominated by Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) at 22:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough and long enough. Mostly meets core content policies. However, the hook isn't directly cited and sentences like "...imagination and his instincts for color resulted in a highly personal and original style." sound a bit promotional. That specific example is also closely paraphrased. --Jakob (talk) 02:52, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- OK, changed to Manigault developed a highly personal and original style is that any better? It is hard to know what to write and what to cite or not to write, it happened that people said when I wrote paraphrased versions - oh, but that's not what the reference say... And his style is both personal and original - it has to be said somehow. Hafspajen (talk) 23:08, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 1 ... that Edward Middleton Manigault was inspired by fireworks on the Hudson River (pictured)?
- Is all this now any better? Hafspajen (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- Xanthomelanoussprog, what do you say. Hafspajen (talk) 02:48, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Jakec - made changes. Hafspajen (talk) 19:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Mill Creek (Reilly Creek)
- ... that Mill Creek is considerably longer than the creek that it is a tributary of?
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Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 17:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
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- @Epicgenius: To be honest, I'd actually prefer that. And then perhaps I'll find another fact for Long Run. --Jakob (talk) 17:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Cape Verde at the 2012 Summer Olympics
- ... that at the 2012 London Games, Lidiane Lopes became Cape Verde's youngest-ever competitor, aged seventeen?
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Improved to Good Article status by Good888 (talk). Self nominated at 16:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
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Article is long enough, uses in-line citations, is neutrally written and was nominated the day after reaching good article status. Spot-checking does not find issues with plagiarism, copyvio, or unduly close paraphrasing. QPQ is not required as nominator has not reached 5 credits yet. As for the hooks, I prefer the first one as it is more punchier. The only issue I have is with the overall rank of Ruben Sança in the 5000 metres. With Hassan Hirt testing positive for EPO, it is unclear whether IOC retrospectively disqualified him. See the thread that I started at WT:OY here. If he was disqualified, then Sança would then jump up from 41st to 40th. -- Ianblair23 (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Good888: OK, as per the discussion at WT:OY, I have updated the event article, every athlete's article and the relevant nation at the Olympics articles to reflect the new rankings. Specifically on this article I have changed Sança's overall rank from 41st to 40th. One final thing that I would like to see added is how each of three athletes qualified for the Games. Once this is added, it will be good to go. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 12:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Ianblair23: Thanks for responding. At the moment I am having no luck on finding out how the athletes qualified for the Games. I am suspecting that they may have been all selected as wildcards, so I will research this a bit more. good888 (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Good888: OK, as per the discussion at WT:OY, I have updated the event article, every athlete's article and the relevant nation at the Olympics articles to reflect the new rankings. Specifically on this article I have changed Sança's overall rank from 41st to 40th. One final thing that I would like to see added is how each of three athletes qualified for the Games. Once this is added, it will be good to go. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 12:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 22
Sefton Park Cricket Club
- ... that Sefton Park Cricket Club nurtured the talent of such players as Edward Roper and Chris Whelan?
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- Reviewed: Pig Goat Banana Cricket
Created by Stueylum99 (talk), 92.237.226.165 (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
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Size, date check out. QPQ not needed as this isn't a self nomination. Hook is not present in the article. Also references need to be properly formatted before this gets into the main page. —Vensatry (ping) 19:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- All DYK nominations now need a QPQ review (change of rules). The rules do not demand any particular format for the references. I have already run Reflinks over the article, but I see 2 bare urls have appeared since then and I will reformat those ones. The club was founded in 1860 and that is cited. Simple arithmetic gives us over 150 years. I think the inline citations for the original hook are sufficient. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:07, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Ah, I didn't see the QPQ being done already. Thanks for notifying about the change of rule. As for the hook, it's a rule that it must be stated in the article followed by an inline citation. Although, there is no definition of a particular format, the references in this article are almost totally incomplete. You use only the title parameter that too is duplicated in some references. A clean up is definitely needed before this nom gets approved. —Vensatry (ping) 17:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset: Vensatry and I are interpreting the DYK rules differently. Please could you adjudicate, and tell me what, if anything, I need to do to this hook/article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- All DYK nominations now need a QPQ review (change of rules). The rules do not demand any particular format for the references. I have already run Reflinks over the article, but I see 2 bare urls have appeared since then and I will reformat those ones. The club was founded in 1860 and that is cited. Simple arithmetic gives us over 150 years. I think the inline citations for the original hook are sufficient. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:07, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Kevon Looney
- ... that UCLA freshman Kevon Looney (pictured) was named Wisconsin Mr. Basketball after he nearly averaged a quadruple-double in high school?
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- Comment: Mention of quadruple-double average is at UCLA freshman Kevon Looney ready to make instant impact (currently ref No. 7)
Created by Bagumba (talk). Self nominated at 10:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and free of any apparent policy issues (ie, the article is neutral, very well cited, and free of any plagiarism or close paraphrasing issues). The hook is short enough, interesting, cited in the article, and doesn't raise any BLP issues. QPQ has been done, and the image looks good to me (it is freely licensed under the CC-BY-SA-3.0 license, is used in the article, and shows up pretty well at small size). I think the article is good to go. Michael Barera (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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The source for his being named Wisconsin Mr. Basketball makes no mention of the quadruple-double. It seems he won this award for his overall achievement that year. The CBS source mentioned above weaves the two together in journalese, not in fact. Yoninah (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Well, if I can misinterpret it, others can. How about rewording it:
- ALT1: ... that before joining the UCLA Bruins, Kevon Looney (pictured) nearly averaged a quadruple-double in high school and was named Wisconsin Mr. Basketball? Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hermann Graf
- ... that Hermann Graf was the first fighter pilot to claim 200 aerial victories?
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Improved to Good Article status by MisterBee1966 (talk). Nominated by MisterBee1966 (talk) at 08:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
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As nominator has over 20 previous DYKs, a QPQ (quid pro quo) review will be required for this nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on November 23
Lorde
- ... that through the song "Royals", Lorde (pictured), at age 16, became the second-youngest artist to ever chart at No. 1 on the Billboard charts?
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Improved to Good Article status by HĐ (talk), Adabow (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 14:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
Hendrick Martin House
- ... that the Hendrick Martin House (pictured) is claimed by its present owners to be the oldest in Red Hook, New York?
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- ALT1: ... that although the Hendrick Martin House (pictured), in Red Hook, New York, was built according to German building traditions, it shows later Dutch and English influence?
- Reviewed: Auguste Bonheur
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nominated at 06:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin
- ... that Martin Luther's hymn "Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin" (pictured), a reflection of the canticle of Simeon, is the base of funeral music by Schütz, Buxtehude and Bach?
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- Comment: You don't see details on the pic, but it might raise curiosity.
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 11:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Thanks for adding the citation. Yes, I think it probably would be a good idea to source the EG number; can you take care of this? Prioryman (talk) 09:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Easily ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Pange lingua, WAB 33
- ... that when Franz Xaver Witt issued Brucker's motet Pange lingua in his journal, he removed "some of the work's more daring harmonies" without the composer's consent?
Created by Meneerke bloem (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Reviewed: John William Brown (artist) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Hook is interesting, cited in the article and neutral (AgF for the reference), but presumes the reader knows what a motet is. Also, the name of Witt will not ring a bell with the general audience. Perhaps: "... that when Brucker's choral piece Pange lingua was published in Musica sacra, the journal's editor changed the piece without the composer's consent?" QVVERTYVS (hm?) 16:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Fine, the broader audience of the Main page probably doesn't care that motet is more precise than chorale piece. Would have liked the "daring harmonies", though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- How about 'the journal's editor removed some "daring harmonies"'? QVVERTYVS (hm?) 23:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that when Brucker's Pange lingua was published in Musica sacra, the journal's editor removed "some of the work's more daring harmonies" without the composer's consent? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- How about 'the journal's editor removed some "daring harmonies"'? QVVERTYVS (hm?) 23:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Fine, the broader audience of the Main page probably doesn't care that motet is more precise than chorale piece. Would have liked the "daring harmonies", though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
San Ignacio Church of Intramuros
- ... that the fourth San Ignacio Church in Intramuros, Manila, now in ruins, was designed by Felix Roxas, Sr., the first Filipino architect?
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- Reviewed: 1872 North Cascades earthquake
Created by Charles Boris Manez (talk). Nominated by Carlojoseph14 (talk) at 10:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
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- The idea that FR, Sr. was the "first Filipino architect" appears to rely solely on a plaque at the site -- this is an extraordinary claim needing a rocksolid authoritative source. EEng (talk) 03:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The source from the National Commission for Culture and the Arts justifies the claim, even the United Architects of the Philippines (the official professional organization of architects in the Philippines), and an article from Philippine Star-- Carlojoseph14 (talk) 04:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry, missed those somehow. At ease. EEng (talk) 05:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Is it now good to go? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed those somehow. At ease. EEng (talk) 05:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Add QPQ. @EEng:. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Nicolas Zamora
- ... that Nicolas Zamora (pictured) is the first Filipino Protestant minister in the Philippines and is credited with the foundation of the first indigenous evangelical church in the Philippines?
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- Reviewed: Carl Johannes Edwards
Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self nominated at 01:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
Great Mosque of Salé
- ... that the Great Mosque of Salé (pictured) was closed during the French protectorate in Morocco to prevent awareness?
Created by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nominated at 22:50, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
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A short but decent article, which I would guess is basically a translation of the French Wikipedia's version. It's new enough and long enough, the sourcing looks fine and the hook is sourced - but the present wording of the hook unfortunately doesn't make much sense. "To prevent awareness" of what? Looking at the French original, the wording speaks of "la prise de conscience" or the awakening of awareness (in this context nationalist awareness). There's no real English equivalent, so I'd suggest a change in the hook to:
- ALT1: ... that the Great Mosque of Salé (pictured) was temporarily closed during the French protectorate in Morocco to prevent its being used as a place to awaken awareness of Moroccan nationalism?
- Hopefully this will make it a bit clearer. Prioryman (talk) 22:41, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Looking at the French article again, yes, that certainly seems to be the case, and that hook is accurate. Maybe I got confused after recalling "[political] awareness" in something I devote my time to. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Marriage of Empress Theophanu
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that the marriage of Empress Theophanu entered Theophanu into consortium imperii with Otto II?
Created by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nominated at 17:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
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Nice article, long enough, new enough and very well sourced. However, I think it may be mistitled - it should surely be the marriage charter of Theophanu (I see many references to the document as a marriage charter [15]). I'd therefore suggest a slightly more accessible hook, as follows, with a retitled article:
- ALT1: ... that the Marriage Charter of Empress Theophanu gave the Byzantine princess Theophanu joint imperial authority with Holy Roman Emperor Otto II?
- I think this would be clearer to the non-specialist who wouldn't be familiar with the term consortium imperii (which I'd think most people wouldn't have heard of). Prioryman (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I've moved the article and would be fine with that hook. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Carl Johannes Edwards
- ... that the major work by Carl Edwards in Liverpool Cathedral is the Benedicite window (pictured)?
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- Reviewed: Baclayon Church
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 15:21, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
Les Mots bleus (album)
- ... that Billboard magazine called Christophe's 1974 album Les Mots bleus "outstanding"?
Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self nominated at 07:18, 23 November 2014 (UTC).
- ALT1... that the French edition of Rolling Stone magazine put Les Mots bleus at number 45 in its list of the best albums of French rock?
Articles created/expanded on November 24
Iam lucis orto sidere, WAB 18
- ... that Bruckner composed two settings of Iam lucis orto sidere for the Wilhering Abbey (pictured), and a third version 20 years later?
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- Reviewed: La tragedia del silencio
Created by User:Meneerke bloem (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 17:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC).
Don Terry, Café Montmartre
- ... that actor Don Terry (pictured) was discovered by a Fox screenwriter at Café Montmartre?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Turboliner We hope (talk) 22:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC); Template:Did you know nominations/Santamartamys
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), We hope (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 19:52, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Derbendcis
- ... that Ottoman constabulary units Derbendcis were so poorly motivated that Ottomans had to hire mercenaries to ensure their loyalty?
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- Reviewed: Fashizmi
Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nominated at 22:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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It's long enough, it's recent enough and I can't see any issues with the content. The hook is interesting, although I'm not totally sold on the wording; you might want to consider something like:
- ALT1 ... that the Ottomans had to hire mercenaries to ensure the loyalty of their Derbendcis constabulary?" as an alternative. In either form, it meet the criteria for length and is directly cited in the article. QPQ's done, no image - good to go. Nice little article. Yunshui 雲水 14:16, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you. I agree with ALT1.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I think that the reviewer approved Alt1 when he stated that both original and ALT1 hook "meet the criteria for length and is directly cited in the article." --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry I wasn't clear. The reviewer proposed ALT1 and then you approved it. If ALT1 is to be used, it needs to be evaluated by another reviewer per Rule H2. Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I think that the reviewer approved Alt1 when he stated that both original and ALT1 hook "meet the criteria for length and is directly cited in the article." --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you. I agree with ALT1.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Sunil Kumar Verma
- ... that Sunil Kumar Verma was co-inventor of Universal primer technology, which allows identification of any unknown biological sample and its assignation to a known species source?
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- Reviewed: Sena Nhavi
Created by Educationtemple (talk). Nominated by Philg88 (talk) at 17:10, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
Galadriel Stineman
- ... that Galadriel Stineman's parents named her after the elf queen of The Lord of the Rings?
Created by The Herald (talk). Self nominated at 16:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
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Newly created and cited (although the citation style is a bit odd). But the article is listed as a stub, and only comes in at 608 characters. There needs to be a minimum of 1500 characters in order to qualify for DYK. Miyagawa (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- How now.? I have expanded it a little. The Herald 12:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
1238 characters. Maybe consider using a word counter before submitting your next try? Also, I only see the Northern Kentucky Magazine discuss her in detail. This needs more reliable in-depth sources about the actress before this can move on. Fuebaey (talk) 14:55, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Stained glass in Liverpool Cathedral
- ... that the stained glass in Liverpool Cathedral (example pictured) includes depictions of Grace Darling, J. S. Bach, and Christopher Columbus?
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- Reviewed: London Philharmonic Orchestra
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 12:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, more than long enough, and without any apparent core policy issues, such as lack of neutrality. The article appears to be very well cited, although it cites three books that I do not have access to, so I am accepting these references in good faith. However, I was able to verify the existence of all three books with their ISBNs. The hook is short enough, interesting, and cited in the article (although, as previously stated, I am unable to confirm the veracity of the citations and am accepting them in good faith). QPQ has been done, and the image looks good (it is freely licensed under the CC BY-SA 2.5, is used in the article, and shows up fairly well at small size). While I am accepting the references in good faith, everything else that I can confirm looks great to me, and I think this article is ready to go. Michael Barera (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Ímar ua Ímair
- ... that Ímar ua Ímair died in battle against the Picts?
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- Reviewed: Alain Manoukian
Created by Retroplum (talk). Self nominated at 04:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC).
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I enjoyed reading this article. It's new enough. Long enough. The hook is cited with a reliable source. Good to go!! Great stuff! Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 25
Murder of Michelle Garvey
- ... that Michelle Garvey's body was identified after an amateur sleuth submitted a suggestion to police?
Created by Gourami Watcher (talk). Self nominated at 15:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
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This is a great (if sad) little article. Everything is fine with regard to its newness, length, references, neutrality and paraphrasing. The hook is great and cited – but could I suggest adding an alternative hook below that mentions the body was identified 31 years after the initial discovery? That would make it doubly interesting in my opinion. Also, perhaps some detail could be added to the article about how/why it was determined that she was murdered (the infobox mentions "Homicide by strangulation" but this is not mentioned in the body of the article) although this isn't strictly necessary for DYK promotion. Well done! 97198 (talk) 04:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Tudor Wilkinson
- ... that Sylvia Beach (pictured) gave Tudor Wilkinson a signed first edition of James Joyce's Ulysses to thank him for getting her out of a Nazi internment camp?
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- Reviewed: To be done.
- Comment: Note the World War II paragraph was copied from another article and does not form part of the word count. I will try to get a better picture of Beach. There is no picture of Wilkinson.
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self nominated at 02:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
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- Slightly better pic added. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Metabolically healthy obesity
- ... that estimates of the prevalence of metabolically healthy obesity have varied from 6 to 75 percent?
Created by Everymorning (talk). Self nominated at 23:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Note: I reviewed Saint Ilar for QPQ. Everymorning talk to me 00:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Saint Ilar
- ... that Stephen King's idol Arthur Machen used Saint Ilar—whose towns have been renamed and churches conflated with a Frenchman—as an example of the lost traditions of the Celtic Church?
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- ALT1:... that the Welsh saint Ilar is so obscure that his namesake town is now called Trefilan and its church (pictured) is now dedicated to a Frenchman instead?
- ALT2:... that the Welsh saint Ilar is so obscure the Anglican church now names his churches (Trefilan's pictured) after Saint Hilary instead?
- Reviewed: L.A. Takedown (
in progressdone)
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self nominated at 06:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
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] New enough and long enough. Cited with inline citations, and Earwig's copyvio tool revealed no close paraphrasing issues that were a sentence or more in length (just short phrases like "in his work"). [16]
However, the article doesn't say that Machen used Ilar as an example of the traditions of the Celtic Church, if you could change either the hook or article to match the other on this point, I would say this is good to go.Thanks for explaining this Llywelyn, this looks good to go after all. Everymorning talk to me 00:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)- The hook doesn't say Machen used Ilar as an example of the Celtic Church: he is part of the traditions of the Celtic Church and Machen used him as an example of the lost nature of those traditions. That's the part about "...his accidental replacement by the French bishop Hilary..." It's a work of fiction so there's not going to be any explication balder than that. Did you just need that clarified? or do you think the hook requires including "My researches led me to the connection of the Grail Legend with the vanished Celtic Church which held the field in Britain in the fifth and sixth and seventh centuries" from Machen's preface, "the Legend of the Grail is, in one of its aspects, the Legend of the Celtic Church" from his letters, or "people... have forgotten all about Ilar" from the story itself?
or do want to go with one of the ALTs instead? — LlywelynII 15:04, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- The hook doesn't say Machen used Ilar as an example of the Celtic Church: he is part of the traditions of the Celtic Church and Machen used him as an example of the lost nature of those traditions. That's the part about "...his accidental replacement by the French bishop Hilary..." It's a work of fiction so there's not going to be any explication balder than that. Did you just need that clarified? or do you think the hook requires including "My researches led me to the connection of the Grail Legend with the vanished Celtic Church which held the field in Britain in the fifth and sixth and seventh centuries" from Machen's preface, "the Legend of the Grail is, in one of its aspects, the Legend of the Celtic Church" from his letters, or "people... have forgotten all about Ilar" from the story itself?
- Added a tick mark to make Everymorning's change of heart clearer. If someone wants to give the article a second once-over, though, it's pretty short. — LlywelynII 11:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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San Luis Obispo de Tolosa Parish Church
- ... that the present church building of San Luis Obispo de Tolosa Parish Church is the third one built in 1738?
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- Reviewed: Manor Park, Sutton
Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 15:33, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Checks out Carlojoseph14, good to go once you do a QPQ.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- I already reviewed Manor Park, Sutton. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Alex Chinneck
- ... that Alex Chinneck's house melted?
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- ALT1:... that Alex Chinneck built a house upside down?
- ALT2:... that the front fell off Alex Chinneck's house?
- ALT3:... that a building by Alex Chinneck appeared to float?
- Reviewed: Second nomination
- Comment: Thinking about going for 1st April - plenty of material for other hooks, so feel free to chip in. If this does go ahead, I'll probably expand his listed works.
Created by Pigsonthewing (talk), Fuebaey (talk). Nominated by Fuebaey (talk) at 21:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
- Thank you. We should probably try to find a quirky image to go with this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Vor Arneths Grab, WAB 53
- ... that Bruckner's elegy Vor Arneths Grab was performed by mens voices and trombones for the funeral of Michael Arneth, prior of St. Florian Abbey, at the grave?
Created by Meneerke bloem (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:47, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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- @Gerda Arendt: kindly submit a QPQ to go with this nomination. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Did the rules change? I remember no QPQ for not a self nom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:47, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yes, the rules changed on November 21. Since you have 117 nomination credits to your name on the DYKSTATS, I figure you are well past your first 5 non-self-nominations ;). Yoninah (talk) 00:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Reviewed: Colleen Ballinger --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Comment It would be "men's" voices, not "mens"; but I would recommend changing "men's voices" to "male choir"/"male voices", as otherwise it sounds a bit accidental—i.e. like there just happened to be some men at the scene making noise. It Is Me Here t / c 13:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I try to avoid male/female as I understood that those are good for animals, - did you hear about gender gap? ;) - I agree that it should be men's, not mens. A choir can't have a gender, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerda Arendt (talk • contribs) 13:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Calling a group a "male choir" is quite common: see e.g. Pontarddulais Male Choir, The Male Choir of St. Petersburg, Royal Dunedin Male Choir, Froncysyllte Male Voice Choir. It Is Me Here t / c 17:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sure, in English speaking areas. This is Austria, and it would have been a Männerchor, Liedertafel, or even solo voices on the parts. A voice also has no gender ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- Calling a group a "male choir" is quite common: see e.g. Pontarddulais Male Choir, The Male Choir of St. Petersburg, Royal Dunedin Male Choir, Froncysyllte Male Voice Choir. It Is Me Here t / c 17:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- I try to avoid male/female as I understood that those are good for animals, - did you hear about gender gap? ;) - I agree that it should be men's, not mens. A choir can't have a gender, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerda Arendt (talk • contribs) 13:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Blonde Electra
- ... that the two sisters Jazzy and Ruby King (pictured) of the pop group Blonde Electra, finalist in The X Factor (UK) 2014 competition, are related to British chancellor George Osborn?
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- ALT1:... that British chancellor George Osborn is related to the two sisters Jazzy and Ruby King (pictured) of The X Factor (UK) 2014 finalist pop group Blonde Electra?
Created by Optimale (talk). Self nominated at 15:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
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- The article is new and long enough, and there is a 29% chance of a copyvio according to Earwig's tool [17]; the source it most closely resembles is the Daily Mail, but there's no large chunk of closely paraphrased text in the article that matches the Mail, so that's not an issue. The hook is cited, but i'm uncomfortable with the fact that it is sourced to the Daily Mail, which I don't think is a very reliable source. Also, the hook is more than the upper limit of 200 characters. Once these issues are both addressed I would support this as good to go, though. Everymorning talk to me 22:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I added a Daily Express reference (although the fact is also supported by the genealogical data of Sir George Francis Osborne and Lt. Col. Stewart William King). It's my first DYK submission so I might miss something, but my editor counts 185 characters for the first hook and 163 characters for the second hook for the displayed text, so less than the 200 allowed? Or do you have to count the source text with all the meta characters for interwiki links and the whole link text? Optimale Gu 00:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Yeah, that looks sufficient to address the Mail-related issues. As for the character count, I did indeed get my number of 233 by counting the source code rather than what is displayed on the page normally. I redid it with this tool using the displayed text and got 181, so this looks to be good to go.
Everymorning talk to me 00:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, that looks sufficient to address the Mail-related issues. As for the character count, I did indeed get my number of 233 by counting the source code rather than what is displayed on the page normally. I redid it with this tool using the displayed text and got 181, so this looks to be good to go.
Articles created/expanded on November 26
Your Old Droog
- ... that it was theorized that Ukrainian-American rapper Your Old Droog was actually Nas secretly recording under an alias?
Created by Akrabbim (talk). Self nominated at 03:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
China painting
- ... that china painting (illustrated) was considered a boon to ladies who had nothing better to do than novel reading?
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- Reviewed: John Komnenos (Domestic of the Schools), Music in early modern Scotland, From Elvis in Memphis
- Comment: The citation is at the end of the block quotation that includes the hook. The same citation could be given after each sentence in the quotation, I suppose, but that would look very strange. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nominated at 15:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC).
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Comment For the hook, I think "reading novels" sounds more natural than "novel reading". It Is Me Here t / c 22:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that china painting (illustrated) was considered a boon to ladies who had nothing better to do than read novels?
2011 Helmand Province incident
- ... that, in 2013, Alexander Blackman became the first British serviceman to be convicted of a battlefield murder since the Second World War?
Improved to Good Article status by It Is Me Here (talk). Self nominated at 21:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
Sleep hygiene
- ... that college students in particular are at risk of poor sleep hygiene?
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- ALT1:... that sleep hygiene improves sleep quality in individuals with and without insomnia?
- Comment: trying to make the hook appealing to frequent wikipedia readers
5x expanded by Leslierrn (talk). Self nominated at 00:34, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
Turboliner
- ... that future Amtrak President Joseph H. Boardman, while Commissioner of the New York State Department of Transportation, accused the railroad of stealing his Turboliners (pictured)?
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- Reviewed: Mayer Cantata, WAB 60
Improved to Good Article status by Mackensen (talk). Self nominated at 13:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
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This is certainly long enough as it's a new GA. I see no issues with close paraphrasing or other copyright concerns with either the text or the images. The selected image is PD and would display fine as a FP thumb. Article is well-cited with reliable references. Verified the link for the hook. Is it possible to try to work in the fact that the railroad was "stealing" trains which were in the "mothball fleet"? Getting that in there somehow would make for a better hook, I think. This one is good to go! :) We hope (talk) 22:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Lucihormetica verrucosa
- ... that the warty glowspot cockroach does not glow?
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- ALT1:... that spots on the male warty glowspot cockroach do not glow?
- Reviewed: Alicia Munnell
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 07:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Japanese government-issued gulden and roepiah in the Netherlands Indies
- ... that, during its occupation of the Dutch East Indies, the Empire of Japan issued both gulden and roepiah (example pictured)?
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- ALT1:... that more Japanese gulden and roepiah (example pictured) may have been issued after the occupation of the Dutch East Indies than during it?
- Reviewed: Tantai Mieming
5x expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk), Godot13 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 06:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Please revert the title of the article. I don't see why it has to be disambiguated (let alone in such a convoluted manner) in the first place. Fuebaey (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Except, you know, the former title of Netherlands Indian roepiah was inaccurate, as the Japanese money included gulden as well as rupiah (and the Indonesian rupiah was, from a Dutch POV, issued in the Dutch East Indies [until 1949]). There's an argument for a shorter title such as "Japanese-issued gulden and roepiah", but since Godot13 mentioned standardization, I was wondering if he had other articles in mind. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- If that is the case why not pick a more general title, like Japanese government-issued currency in the Netherlands Indies? Fuebaey (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- That works as well. I'm waiting for a reply from Godot13 first, though. There may be considerations we haven't thought of. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I guess that works for me. I was just going for consistency (but may have sacrificed practicality in the process)...--Godot13 (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry for not addressing the question above - standardization was with the other article titles in Japanese invasion money in the event they are all made into a GT/FT down the road...--Godot13 (talk) 06:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- If that is the case why not pick a more general title, like Japanese government-issued currency in the Netherlands Indies? Fuebaey (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Bimini Baths
- ... that Los Angeles's Bimini Baths were named after the island of Bimini?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nominated at 03:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and free of most apparent issues (the article is neutral, mostly well cited, and free of any plagiarism or close paraphrasing concerns; note that some content is copied or minimally modified from public domain sources, but this isn't an issue because these sources are no longer copyright protected). However, there are a handful of statements that do not appear to be cited in the references, such as Bimini Baths' Bahamian namesake, the sentence about the company being founded on December 31, 1902, and (most notably) the last six sentences of the final section, which completely lack footnote citations. The hook is short enough, quite interesting, and mentioned in the article, although (if I'm not mistaken) the claim about the baths being named after the island of Bimini is not clearly referenced; the footnote that appears to cover this sentence, [3] "Bimini Hot Springs, Los Angeles, Cal." from the William H. Hannon Library, does not explicitly mention the Bahamas, only that the baths were "Named for the island home of the legendary fountain of youth pursued by Ponce de Leon". Perhaps this is not really an issue and just a case of me being confused by the references, but I don't think that the citation is all that clear. QPQ is, at this point, still pending. Despite these criticisms, I did really enjoy the article and the rich variety of sources that it draws from. If QPQ is done and the uncited sentences (including the hook) are all clearly referenced with footnotes, I'll be more than happy to give my full support to this nomination. Michael Barera (talk) 20:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks so much for the improvements, Rosiestep. The new references look great. However, I believe that there are still two sentences/passages that are not backed up by their citations:
- "The company was founded December 31, 1902." (the following footnote is [3] "Bimini Hot Springs, Los Angeles, Cal." from the William H. Hannon Library, but there is no mention of the foundation of the company or December 1902 in the reference)
- "The bathing resort also featured a sanitarium. Tub baths and three large swimming plunges were available for the public. A sanitarium hotel nearby was under the same management." (there is no footnote following this phrase and thus it appears to be entirely uncited)
- Once these two sentences/passages have been cited, I will be eager to pass this nomination with flying colors. Thanks for creating such an interesting article! Michael Barera (talk) 04:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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I've decided to roll up my sleeves and fix the two outstanding issues myself (please feel free to review my work). Now, I believe that everything is all set with this nomination. Good to go! Michael Barera (talk) 03:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
PS: If you would like, you can use the image I uploaded to Commons (PD) and added to the article in the nomination. Michael Barera (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Mayer Cantata, WAB 60
- ... that Anton Bruckner composed the Mayer Cantata, his first extended composition for large wind ensemble and choir, for the name day of Friedrich Mayer, prior of the St. Florian Abbey?
Created by Meneerke bloem (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
- Reviewed: Madonna of the Book (Botticelli) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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The article is new enough and long enough. Offline sources for the hook are accepted in good faith. QPQ complete. There's one phrase which I couldn't parse: "...was the one but last large work, which Bruckner composed during his stay in Sankt Florian." Could this be cleaned up? Mackensen (talk) 20:36, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Found "penultimate", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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Sitriuc mac Ímair
- ... that Sitriuc mac Ímair was the third son of Ímar to reign as King of Dublin?
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- Reviewed: The National (Scotland)
Created by Retroplum (talk). Self nominated at 22:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
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Article long enough (1,700 prose ch.), created 26.11.14, well-cited and based on excellent sources, without obvious grammar issues, NPOV, close paraphrasing of the sources etc. Hook is short enough, interesting and factually verified by me based on an external source. Did slight copy-editing to the hook to make it grammatically correct and eligible. Good job on the article. AddMore (talk) 11:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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The article does not seem complete; it reads like a bio entry in some encyclopedia (not Wikipedia). I think that additional sources would help. Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Realistically, everything we know about the individual is on the page (as far as I know at least), such is the paucity of the historical record. The only records we have dating from the time period of his life that mention him are the Irish annals, and they only mention a dozen or so events per year, typically battles and deaths of famous individuals. I could try and find other sources that mention him, but all primary sources are already included, and any additional ones would be secondary sources discussing the same few entries in the annals. Retroplum (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Puducherry (Lok Sabha constituency)
- ... that the Indian union territory of Puducherry elected a member of a Puducherry regional party as their representative in parliament for the first time in 2014?
5x expanded by Cowlibob (talk). Self nominated at 18:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
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5x, 1525 KB (prose) + expansion of the list making it possibly comprehensive, within policy. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
John William Brown (artist)
- ... that the east window of Liverpool Cathedral (pictured), designed by J. W. Brown, is themed on the Te Deum laudamus?
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- Reviewed: Libraries in Brighton and Hove
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 10:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC).
seen and approved as thanksgiving, nice article on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, good free pic, in good spirit! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 27
South African Defence Review 2012
- ... that publication of the final edition of the South African Defence Review 2012 was delayed for so long that it was retitled "South African Defence Review 2014"?
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- ALT1:... that the South African Defence Review 2012 proposes that the South African Army should be expanded to three divisions?
- Reviewed:(QPQ) Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Aldborough (1727)
Created by Dodger67 (talk), Nathan121212 (talk). Nominated by Dodger67 (talk) at 09:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
Shikha Pandey
- ... that Shikha Pandey is the first Goa-born cricket player to play International One Day and Twenty20 cricket and the second player after Dilip Sardesai to play Test cricket for India?
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- Reviewed: 2002 ICC Champions Trophy Final
5x expanded by Vigyani (talk). Self nominated at 02:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
Metanephrocerus
- ... that fossils of the big-headed fly Metanephrocerus (pictured) are known from Europe and North America?
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- ALT1:... that the big-headed fly Metanephrocerus belgardeae (pictured) expanded the known range for the genus to North America?
- Reviewed: Candidula arganica
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 01:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
Azhiyatha Kolangal
- ... that Azhiyatha Kolangal, Balu Mahendra's directorial debut in Tamil cinema, was partly autobiographical?
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To followSefton Park Cricket Club
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5x expanded by Vensatry (talk). Self nominated at 20:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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5x on November 27, 2014, 2780 B, Checked English references for copyvio. --Redtigerxyz Talk 05:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Klondike Mountain Formation
- ... that the Klondike Mountain Formation has fossil hot springs and is a lagerstätten?
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- ALT1:... that the Klondike Mountain Formation is considered part of the great Canadian lagerstätten?
- Reviewed: Phrynocephalus versicolor
5x expanded by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 17:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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@Kevmin: Sufficiently expanded, meets core content policies. You might want to take a look at this. I can't seem to verify the 2nd part of ALT0 or any of ALT1. --Jakob (talk) 02:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Girl Online
... that demand for Zoe Sugg's debut novel Girl Online was so high that every bookshop broke the release embargo?
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- Reviewed: Trimma nasa
Created by Nikthestunned (talk). Self nominated at 17:08, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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- Comment: I made a punctuation correction in the hook (it's → its). --Rosiestep (talk) 20:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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New enough, long enough, well referenced. Generally, the article does not closely paraphrase the sources, except in the case of the hook fact:
- Source: Sugg’s book has proved so popular with fans that every bookseller broke the embargo on its sale, according to a spokesperson for the publisher.
- Article: Penguin stated that due to high demand every bookseller broke the embargo on its sale before this date
- The material should be rewritten in your own words, or put in quotes. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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I've changed to a quote in the article and reworded the hook above. Nikthestunned 22:40, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. To be honest, when I first saw the hook, I didn't understand why the word "embargo" was there. I thought embargoes have to do with shipping goods. Would you consider rephrasing the hook in plainer language, like:
- ALT1: ... that demand for Zoe Sugg's debut novel Girl Online was so high that every bookshop started selling it before its official release date? Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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Giles Guthrie
- ... that Giles Guthrie, chairman and chief executive of British airline BOAC served as a test pilot during World War II and in 1965 captained the airline's new Vickers VC10 jet airliner on a North American tour?
Created by Nick (talk). Self nominated at 13:47, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Zaguri Imperia
- ... that the series Zaguri Imperia was Israel's most successful video on demand title ever, with over 10 million rentals?
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- Reviewed: Sitriuc mac Ímair, Yuan Xian
- Comment: All sources are regrettably in Hebrew, no other option
Created by AddMore (talk). Self nominated at 11:48, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
Braveheart (song)
- ... that the beat for Neon Jungle's "Braveheart" was found after the group raided their producers' laptop?
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5x expanded by Neon Jungle Fan (talk), Launchballer (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 10:02, 27 November 2014 (UTC).
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QPQ is required for this nomination (indeed, for all nominations now, self- or not). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Template:Did you know nominations/Jill Stuart.--Launchballer 12:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 28
Evan Dimas
- ... that footballer Evan Dimas (pictured) scored on his debut for Indonesia?
Created by Inter&anthro (talk), MbahGondrong (talk). Nominated by Annas86 (talk) at 04:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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Date and hook fine. No close paraphrasing. However, I currently count 1353 characters and a QPQ needs to be done. I also have doubts about the image as it looks like a screenshot from a TV broadcast which would be fair use rather than the free licence required for DYK. If these issues can be sorted, I'll have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Carnivores Tour
- ... that American rock bands Linkin Park and Thirty Seconds to Mars co-headlined the Carnivores Tour?
Improved to Good Article status by Earthh (talk). Self nominated at 15:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
art of the Umbrella Movement
- ... that the Umbrella Movement transformed an eight-lane highway running through Hong Kong's financial district into an artistic canvas (statue pictured)?
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- ALT1:... that art created during the 2014 Hong Kong protests abundantly features umbrellas (statue pictured)?
- ALT2:... that Umbrella Square features art of the Umbrella Movement (statue pictured)?
- Reviewed: Gander Green Lane (credits tracked here)
Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nominated at 04:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
Hoochie Coochie Man
- ... that the stop-time musical phrase from Muddy Waters' 1954 blues song "Hoochie Coochie Man" was later used in pop songs and film scores?
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- Reviewed: Second self-nominated DYK (QPQ not required)
Improved to Good Article status by Ojorojo (talk). Self nominated at 16:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
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Cronica Walliae
... that according to Humphrey Llwyd's 1559 history manuscript Cronica Walliae Prince Madoc had already made two trips to America from Wales in the year 1170, long before Columbus?
Created/expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC) at 17:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC).
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- As it is, it's POV as it's suggesting a fringe position is fact. The very existence of this Prince Madoc is disputed, and certainly the voyages are. I've edited the article to add the word 'legendary', a term used by multiple reliable sources, and to remove the bit about "long before Columbus" which is obviously unnecessary as I expect readers to have at least some idea when Columbus sailed, and because again it's pushing a fringe position. Our DYK's shouldn't be promoting fringe positions. It's like saying "according to x, the pyramids were built by aliens", or "according to Y, Atlantis was real." Dougweller (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Reply That it was written is a fact. That you don't like that he said it is your opinion. Ipse dixit applies in so many ways. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- But I didn't say that. Calling a legendary figure "Prince Madoc" with no qualification is pov. And the whole point of the hook seems to be promoting a fringe position. As I said, why should we do that? What is the rationale for having this as a DYK? Why not say "that according to Humphrey Llwyd's 1559 history manuscript Cronica Walliae the Welsh were an ancient people descended from the Trojans." Dougweller (talk) 19:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Dougweller, I came here after seeing your post on the fringe theories noticeboard. After reading the DYK hook here, I disagree with you that it is problematic or is promoting a fringe position. The lead in starting with "according to Humphrey Llwyd's 1559 history manuscript Cronica Walliae" makes it clear that the following statement isn't necessarily regarded as fact, but is what was written in that work. Because the leading clause makes it clear that what follows is only what was written in Cronica Walliae and not necessarily fact, I don't think it is necessary to clarify in the DYK hook that Madoc is a legendary figure. To add a qualifier like "the legendary" before "Prince Madoc" might imply that Humphrey Llwyd wrote that Madoc was legendary, when the impression I get is that Humphrey Llwyd thought Madoc was factual (if Cronica Walliae actually did describe Madoc as legendary, then adding such a qualifier would be good). While it is possible that a reader might assume from the hook that there was a real Prince Madoc, I don't think the wording implies that he was real. The articles Cronica Walliae and Madoc should make it clear that Madoc is a legendary figure, so I don't think it is a problem. The only change I would make to the hook is to add a comma between "Cronica Walliae" and "Prince Madoc". Calathan (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- But I didn't say that. Calling a legendary figure "Prince Madoc" with no qualification is pov. And the whole point of the hook seems to be promoting a fringe position. As I said, why should we do that? What is the rationale for having this as a DYK? Why not say "that according to Humphrey Llwyd's 1559 history manuscript Cronica Walliae the Welsh were an ancient people descended from the Trojans." Dougweller (talk) 19:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Sounds good to me. I'll withdraw the original hook.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Okay with me. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Problem solved. Thanks Dougweller for the suggestion.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- For some reason I didn't get an edit conflict notice with what I was writing, even though I started it before what ended up above it. I've moved my previous comment to where it goes. Anyway, the alternate hook sounds good to me too. Calathan (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I replied to your withdrawal, Doug, but must not have saved it. That's fine. Dougweller (talk) 20:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Okay with me. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. I'll withdraw the original hook.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Santamartamys
- ... that the potential area of the red-crested tree rat (illustration pictured) is infested with feral cats?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Catawissa Tunnel, Green Mountain Tunnel, Oneida Number One Tunnel, Oneida Number Three Tunnel (fourth and final usage)
5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nominated at 21:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
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Length (>5x expasion), date, hook's ref verified. All non-lede paragraphs have refs and all appear to be RS. No apparent close-paraphrasing. Imgs are from Commons. The hook's image is not boring and ncluding the img with hook will make for a nice set; if I saw it, I'd want to click on it and I'm betting others will feel the same. Hook length is fine. QPQ done. Nicely done. Nicely written, well referenced. GTG. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Father, Son, and Holy War
- ... that the 1995 documentary Father, Son, and Holy War was screened by the Indian public broadcaster Doordarshan only after an 11-year court battle that ended with a 2006 order by the Supreme Court of India that it be screened?
Created by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self nominated at 13:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC).
- ALT1 ... that after an 11-year legal battle, Indian public broadcaster Doordarshan screened the 1995 documentary Father, Son, and Holy War by order of the Supreme Court of India? EEng (talk) 04:35, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 29
International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children
- ... that the International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children tries to help find missing children, 8 million of whom disappear each year worldwide, with 800,000 going missing in the US alone?
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5x expanded by Epeefleche (talk). Self nominated at 06:37, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Willie Thrasher
- ... that in the 1960s, Inuit musician Willie Thrasher headed Inuvik's first rock 'n' roll band?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Le Tigre (album)
- Comment: Moved to mainspace November 29th
Created by The Interior (talk). Self nominated at 02:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Girlfight
- ... that the 2000 film Girlfight marked the debut of Michelle Rodriguez (pictured), who had never acted before but was called "extraordinarily gifted"?
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- Reviewed: Priscilla Duffield
- Comment: By my count, the expansion is still large enough if the uncited plot section is excluded.
5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 06:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
Stanisławów Ghetto
- ... that the Bloody Sunday massacre of Jews took place two months before the Stanisławów Ghetto was formally set up in December 1941?
Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nominated at 15:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Sepp Angerer
- ... that Nazi art dealer Sepp Angerer sold Vincent van Gogh's Portrait of Dr. Gachet (pictured) for Hermann Göring?
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- Reviewed: Shanghai Jewish Refugees Museum.
- Comment: Fair to call him a Nazi?
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self nominated at 13:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
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- He is called Nazi in the refs alright. - Review - how's your article To be done? -- Philafrenzy, you better hurry, because I am soon done here. Hafspajen (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Can't do a review today - already spent too long on Wikipedia. Will do one within the next day or two. I will have more sources after I visit the library later. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, referenced, no close paraphrasing, I was able to verify the hook, good to go. Where is that QPQ? Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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- As you wish, though the ref said explicitly he was, but it is probably more careful to just say - art dealer. Hafspajen (talk) 01:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Which ref? Philafrenzy (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- This: http://www.lootedart.com/MVI3RM469661 Angerer, Josef (Sepp). Berchtesgaden. After Hofer, Goering’s most important buyer. Ardent Nazi, known to have had Gestapo connections. Member of firm of Quantmeyer & Eicke. Active throughout Europe, notably France and Italy. Contact of Reber, Ventura, Contini-Bonacossi, Ginori and Arturo Grassi. Was under temporary house arrest at Berchtesgaden, house of Fritz Goernnert, autumn 1945. -*- Hafspajen (talk) 02:02, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- OK. Philafrenzy (talk) 02:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Keyboard Sonata No. 20 (Haydn)
- ... that the Keyboard Sonata No. 20 has been called Haydn's Appassionata, alluding to Beethoven's later passionate piano sonata?
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- Reviewed: Dolores (Ziegfeld girl)
- Comment: Beethoven's sonata intentionally linked as the redirect, for "alluding".
Created by Syek88 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
I think we need a new hook. I'm sorry report, but there is no mention whatsoever of Beethoven in the cited reference. How are we to know what 'Appassionata' the musicologist is referring to? This may be WP:OR. —Gaff ταλκ 04:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- There is no mention of Beethoven, because his sonata Appassionata is so well known. We could have a new hook but I am afraid that it would be more for the music specialists only, while most readers could associate "passionate" even if they never heard Beethoven's music. It was the most striking fact in the article I could find: that the work was compared to something written much later and of that quality. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hello. I wrote this page and so I should probably try to answer Gaff's question, "How are we to know what 'Appassionata' the musicologist is referring to?" I suppose that I exercised a degree of licence when writing the sentence that linked the term "Haydn's Appassionata" to the Beethoven Op. 57. I'm sorry if this contravened Wikipedia rules, but I think it was justified. In the context of piano sonatas, there simply is no other Appassionata. Richard Wigmore could only have been speaking of Beethoven's Opus 57. Bear in mind that he was writing for an audience at least moderately familiar with music of the period. For this audience, he did not need to explain the term "Haydn's Appassionata", because the audience would have known what he was talking about. In summary, I exercised no more licence in linking "Haydn's Appassionata" to Beethoven's Op. 57 than one would in linking "Pope" and "Catholic". But if that is not sufficient, I happened to add another sentence to the page yesterday, quoting a Gramophone Magazine review which suggests that Haydn's Hob. XVI/20 might be the "first great sonata for the piano by anybody". That could be another "striking fact", or at least a "striking opinion" (I imagine that the somewhat novel tripartite structure of the first movement's exposition might only be "striking" to some). Apologies for the number of words I've used here. This is new to me. Syek88 (talk) 10:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- There is no mention of Beethoven, because his sonata Appassionata is so well known. We could have a new hook but I am afraid that it would be more for the music specialists only, while most readers could associate "passionate" even if they never heard Beethoven's music. It was the most striking fact in the article I could find: that the work was compared to something written much later and of that quality. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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ALT1 Looks good. I too prefer the original hook, but am concerned about WP:OR. I agree that it is like debating if it is acceptable to point out that the Mona Lisa was painted by da Vinci. I will go ahead and approve the article and ask the editor or admin doing the prep make the final call. —Gaff ταλκ 16:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Ole Børud
- ... that singer, songwriter, and instrumentalist Ole Børud has performed styles as disparate as gospel, rhythm and blues, and death metal?
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- Reviewed: With the Century
- Comment: Of the styles mentioned, "death metal" is not directly cited, but is confirmed in some of the sources for the article. The hook draws from multiple portions of the article, so it's difficult to directly cite every part of the hook.
Created by 3family6 (talk). Self nominated at 22:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
French frigate Junon (1806)
- ... that in 1809 the French frigate Junon was captured by the British, then recaptured by the French and set on fire?
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- Comment: Alt1 uses a piped link to the article, because the ship has two names - if this is a problem please let me know and will reword.
5x expanded by Euryalus (talk). Self nominated at 13:37, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Priochilus captivum
- ... that one female Priochilus captivum wasp started nesting in the bedclothes while its researcher was napping?
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- Reviewed: Westmoreland Park
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 10:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Missa Tempore Quadragesimae (Michael Haydn)
- ... that Michael Haydn (pictured) composed a mass suitable for Lent and Advent, the Missa Tempore Quadragesimae, in D minor for just choir and organ?
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- ALT1:... that the Missa Tempore Quadragesimae by Michael Haydn (pictured), a mass suitable for Lent and Advent, contains a section in free tempo?
- Reviewed: Visby Cathedral
- Comment: It would be a bit complicated to say that Haydn obliged to the requests of his arch-bishop which made Mozart leave Salzburg.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 21:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC).
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Always impressed by how good you got at doing this; created by Gerda Arendt on November 29, 2014 with 1,866 characters of readable prose right now. Nice infobox with image in the public domain. Added one more anchor in support of the original hook which is just fine, though my personal preference is ALT1. Good to go as is. Poeticbent talk 15:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Osteopathic Oath
- ... that the Osteopathic Oath was first developed in 1938?
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- ALT1:... that in 2000, the Osteopathic Oath was used by every osteopathic medical school in the US?
Created by Kerowyn (talk). Self nominated at 01:14, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
- ALT2 ... that the Osteopathic Oath specifically forbids euthanasia, but does not address abortion? EEng (talk) 22:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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The character count is just under 1500 char. The wording of the Text doesn't count in this total. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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@Kerowyn, EEng, Yoninah: I added a sentence to the lead, so it's long enough now. There is one unreferenced paragraph. ALT0 and ALT2 are not directly cited (or not cited at all). I like ALT2, so adding a citation for that would be good. If not, ALT1 is supported directly by an RS. For procedural reasons, I'll say now that it's new enough and meets core content policies, except for one thing: is the text public domain? If not, the text of the oath has to go. --Jakob (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I'd be very surprised if this didn't fall under fair use, especially given the oath's educational/noncommercial purpose. EEng (talk) 03:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
- I padded out the intro a little as well. I added a citation to make the source for ALT0 clearer, although I rather like ALT1. As for copyright status of the oath, I believe it's fair use per EEng. Thanks! Kerowyn Leave a note 06:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 30
Jack Hadjinian
- ... that Jack Hadjinian, the current mayor of Montebello, California, is a grandson of an Armenian Genocide survivor?
Created by EtienneDolet (talk). Self nominated at 19:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
Luc De Vos
- ... that "Mia", a song by Belgian musician Luc De Vos (pictured) which was voted "best song ever" three years in a row on Studio Brussel, gave its name to the MIAs, the Belgian Music Industry Awards?
Created by 2A02:A03F:12EB:8600:88D6:5CF9:F9A9:BB58 (talk), Nychus (talk), Fdewaele (talk). Nominated by Fram (talk) at 15:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
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All components of the hook must be directly cited in the article. The article does not cite the claim that the Music Industry Awards were named after the song, nor that it was named best song three years in a row by Studio Brussel. ViperSnake151 Talk 05:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
The one thing I'm in doubt about is whether to attribute the song to Luc De Vos or to his band (at that time) Gorky, though Gorky doesn't have it's own page but rather a subsection on the page of Gorki (De Vos's next band). Luc De Vos is definitely the writer of the song though, so maybe we should state, a song written by Luc De Vos Nychus (talk) 12:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Laves graph, Fritz Laves
- ... that the Laves graph (pictured), a highly symmetrical three-dimensional structure that forms one of the possible crystal structures of carbon, is named after German crystallographer Fritz Laves?
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Created/expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nominated at 04:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Both articles a pleasure to read, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, forgive me that I still don't understand the math, - stunning free image that I hope will appear (can it be categorised?), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, and thanks for catching this — I added it to Commons:Category:Crystal structures. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Acer taurocursum
- ... that the fossil maple Acer taurocursum is named for its type locality?
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- Reviewed: Trimma tevegae
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 00:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on December 1
Trove (website)
- ... that thousands of volunteers have corrected millions of lines of digitised Australian newspapers on Trove?
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- Reviewed: Titanium in zircon geothermometer.
- Comment: Article has been a redirect since 2010. Was begun as standalone article on 1 December.
Created by SatuSuro (talk), Wittylama (talk), Aliaretiree (talk). Nominated by Wittylama (talk) at 20:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
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- Note: article has been moved from Trove (website) to Trove – I have adjusted the hook and credit templates as such. 97198 (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
The Living Truth
- ... that Božidarka Frajt won the Golden Arena for Best Actress for playing herself in The Living Truth?
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- Reviewed: Sigma II-65 war game
5x expanded by GregorB (talk). Self nominated at 21:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Expansion is long enough and began on 1 December. The article is well written, referenced and neutral. All references are in Croatian so AGF for close paraphrasing and verifiability, although a quick check with Google Translate appears to support the hook facts. QPQ is done. Good work! 97198 (talk) 04:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Banai (goddess)
- ... that folk songs give erotic descriptions of the beauty of Banai (pictured with her husband and co-wife), that maddens her would-be husband Khandoba?
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- Reviewed: Azhiyatha Kolangal
Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nominated at 05:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
E. Newton Harvey
- ... that the zoologist E. Newton Harvey had a firefly, a bioluminescent bacterium and a centipede named after him?
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- Reviewed: Greens Ledge Light
5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 10:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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The 5x expansion (closer to 19x), date, and the expanded length check out, and the QPQ has been done. Interesting hook, verified from the sources, and of an appropriate length. The article is well written and well sourced, and does not appear to have been copied from the sources. Good to go. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Daniel J. Hilferty
- ... that Independence Blue Cross CEO Daniel J. Hilferty first realized he "was a pretty good leader" based on his community and civic success in a project improving playgrounds as part of the Jesuit Volunteer Corps?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nominated at 22:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
- The article is new enough (created 2 December 2014)
- The article is long enough (only just)
- The article is neutral & cites its sources. There are a couple of instances where the article closely paraphrases or copies the wording from the cited references that will need to be addressed.
- The hook however is too long and too wordy
Zeng Dian
- ... that when Confucius asked his disciples to express their ambitions, Zeng Dian said he only wanted to bathe in the river, relax in the breezes, and sing?
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- Reviewed: Kebyar duduk
Created by Zanhe (talk). Self nominated at 20:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich of Russia
- ... that Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich of Russia married the former mistress of two of his cousins?
5x expanded by Miguelemejia (talk). Self nominated at 03:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Dahlander pole changing motor
- ... that Dahlander pole changing motors, which offer two speeds via electrical switching, is used in cranes, pumps and fans?
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- ALT1:... that the Dahlander pole changing motor is a Swedish invention for achieving two speeds in an electric motor?
Created by Shrikanthv (talk). Self nominated at 10:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and free of any apparent policy issues (the article is neutral, appears to be well cited, and is free of any noticeable copyright infringement or close paraphrasing). However, four of the references are to books that I do not have access to, so I am accepting them in good faith. Furthermore, a couple of the websites feature patent documents that are in German, which I unfortunately cannot read, so I am accepting those citations in good faith as well.
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- One apparent issue, however, is that two of the ISBNs appear to be incorrect. The Toliyat and Kliman book has the same ISBN as the (first) Boy and Flachmann reference, while the two references to (apparently the same) Boy and Flachmann book are different. It looks to me that this is a simple case of two ISBNs being flipped, and once they are flipped back, the issue will be resolved. I would really appreciate it if Shrikanthv, as the nominator, could take a look at this.
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- The hook and alternate are short enough, cited in the article (although I am again accepting the print and German sources in good faith), and both seem interesting to me. Of the two, I think the first (main) hook is perhaps a bit more interesting. QPQ appears to not apply because Shrikanthv has fewer than four previous DYK nominations (please correct me if I am wrong). Once the ISBN issue has been resolved, I will be happy to support this nomination, with the caveat that I am accepting most of the references in good faith. Michael Barera (talk) 22:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks, Shrikanthv! That resolves my only quibble with the nomination. Accepting the book and German-language references in good faith, I think that this article is good to go! Michael Barera (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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Charlene Robinson
- ... that Kylie Minogue was initially contracted to play Charlene Robinson in Neighbours for one week?
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- Reviewed: 1998 ICC KnockOut Trophy Final, 1998 ICC KnockOut Trophy squads
- Comment: Please feel free to tweak the hook, or suggest another.
Improved to Good Article status by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nominated at 02:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
Wapi Project
- ... that the Wapi Project was a victim of its own success?
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- ALT1:... that the Wapi Project was aimed at a hostile Lao Theung populace in a rich rice growing area?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Market Basket protests
- Comment: The common mental picture of a foreign aid program is that of a richer country beginning a program in a poorer one. In this case, the idea stemmed from the poor country of Laos during its civil war; when the U.S. pitched in, its main contributors were the Central Intelligence Agency and USAID. To top it all off, the project was too successful to survive.
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 00:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC).
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all offline references. AGF on copyvio. Original is the catchy one and should be used IMO. Created on 2 Dec. 2864 B. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:50, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Albert Franklin Banta
- ... that Albert Franklin Banta served as a member of the 12th Arizona Territorial Legislature under an assumed name?
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- ALT1:... that Arizona's Meteor Crater was briefly known as "Franklin's Hole" in honor of Charles A. Franklin?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tissa David
- Comment: The first hook is supported by the article indirectly. Sourced statements as to approximately when Banta began and ended using his assumed name are included in the article. His term in the territorial legislature and roughly two decades of other events clearly occurring between the start and stop dates.
Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nominated at 23:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
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- I love ALT0 as a hook, but the way it's stated in the comment above it's over-the-line SYNTH. For all we know he used the assumed name in his hometown, but when in the capital he used his "real" name. We need something giving "served under assumed name" explicitly. EEng (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I have added two additional references showing him listed under the name "C. A. Franklin" during his service in the legislature, one on-line and one off-line. Most members of the territorial legislature were listed using their initials, so this is as close as we can get. Even the official publication of the session's acts and resolutions lists him using his initials (available here, there are no page numbers but you can find the members of the House by scrolling down about a dozen pages from the front cover). --Allen3 talk 22:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Saint Tetha
- ... that the names of Saint Teath and her eponymous town in Cornwall rhyme with death, not teeth?
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- ALT1:... that Saint Teath and her Cornish town are pronounced /tɛθ/ and rhyme with breath, not teeth?
- ALT2:... that St Teath's odd pronunciation is accounted for by its parish church's dedication to Saint Tetha?
- Reviewed: Mamadou N'Diaye (basketball, born 1993)
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self nominated at 14:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
- ALT3 ... that Saint Teath rhymes with death? -- EEng (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3's punchier, so long as it doesn't mean we need to include an extraneous pronunciation for death in the article. — LlywelynII 06:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Buck Run (West Branch Brandywine Creek)
- ... that there were historically six or seven paper mills on Buck Run in one township?
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- ALT1:... that one paper mill on Buck Run is said to be at the same location as the first rolling mill in the United States?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Klondike Mountain Formation
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 02:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
Little Black Creek
- ... that Little Black Creek is not a perennial stream, but contributes 11.43 cubic feet per second of water to the Jeddo Tunnel?
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 02:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
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- The article is new enough and long enough, and the hook is cited in the article. It seems to be neutrally written and there is clearly not a copyvio (since the only similar phrase is the name of the journals cited). [18] There are plenty of inline citations, and the hook is correctly formatted. Thus, this looks
good to go to me! Everymorning talk to me 23:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- The article is new enough and long enough, and the hook is cited in the article. It seems to be neutrally written and there is clearly not a copyvio (since the only similar phrase is the name of the journals cited). [18] There are plenty of inline citations, and the hook is correctly formatted. Thus, this looks
Articles created/expanded on December 2
Megan Boyd
- ... that world renowned Scottish fly tyer Megan Boyd, known for her exquisite and effective Atlantic salmon flies, was not an angler and never fished?
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Created by Mike Cline (talk). Self nominated at 15:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Camas pocket gopher
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that both the Encyclopædia Britannica and The American Cyclopædia referred to the Camas pocket gopher as the "California gopher", even though it is only found in Oregon?
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that the Camas pocket gopher is endemic to the Willamette Valley in Oregon? - ALT2:... that the Camas pocket gopher has been described as "morose and savage", yet can be tamed in captivity?
- Reviewed: Keyboard Sonata No. 20 (Haydn)
- Comment: There are a lot of opportunities with this article. There are several interesting photos on commons and a lot of great hook possibilities. Have fun...
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PROMOTED TO GA by Gaff (talk). Self nominated at 05:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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Promoted to GA on day of nomination. Most certainly long enough, and is otherwise within policy. I reviewed ALT2, as my preferred hook. This hook is directly cited, and is within approved format. QPQ complete. Entire article well cited (of course, its a GA fer cryin' out loud). No copyright concerns. Image is likewise free of copyright issues, but I'm not certain it displays well at a small size, mostly due to heavy shadow and odd angle of head. I will leave that up to the compiler. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Alt images: —Gaff ταλκ 19:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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and this image —Gaff ταλκ 05:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Drew Carey's Back-to-School Rock 'n' Roll Comedy Hour
- ... that filming on "Drew Carey's Back-to-School Rock 'n' Roll Comedy Hour" was delayed when Drew Carey had to undergo an angioplasty?
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- ALT1:... that the music sequences featured in "Drew Carey's Back-to-School Rock 'n' Roll Comedy Hour" had to be shot without Drew Carey as he fell ill prior to filming?
- ALT2:... that "Drew Carey's Back-to-School Rock 'n' Roll Comedy Hour" featured music performances from SHeDAISY, Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray?
- Reviewed: 1998 ICC KnockOut Trophy Final, 1998 ICC KnockOut Trophy squads
- Comment: Please feel free to tweak the hook(s).
Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nominated at 02:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Te Deum (Jenkins)
- ... that Karl Jenkins (pictured) conducted the premiere of his Te Deum, "a joyous, theatrical piece", in the European Capital of Culture of 2008, Liverpool?
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- Reviewed: No. 491 Squadron RAAF
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 00:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 3
Stripped Classicism
- ... that Stripped Classicism is an architectural style used by the USA, Nazi Germany and Stalin's USSR?
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- ALT1:... that Stripped Classicism is a 20th Century architectural style frequently employed by governments worldwide while designing official buildings?
- ALT2:... that in Europe early examples of Stripped Classicism, a 20th Century architectural design style, established models for the classical purity aspired to by high modernists of modern architecture?
- Reviewed: Angharad ferch Owain
Created by Carptrash (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk), Ghirlandajo (talk), Nsteffel (talk and Lockley (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk) at 14:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Ovi (poetry)
- ... that the ovi poems sung by women are protest songs that narrate their complaints about hard work, unhappy marriage and despotic husbands?
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- Reviewed: Puducherry (Lok Sabha constituency)
Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nominated at 07:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Article is new, long enough, neutral and within policy. Hook is cited and also within policy. AGF on offline sources. Good to go. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Olympic Park Observation Tower
- ... that the design of the Olympic Park Observation Tower (pictured) in Beijing was inspired by blades of grass, but has also been likened to a bunch of nails?
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- ALT1:... that a Shenzhen architect claimed the Olympic Park Observation Tower (pictured) in Beijing was plagiarized from one of his own earlier designs?
- Reviewed: B V Keskar
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nominated at 19:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and up to core policy standards (the article is neutral, well cited, and free of any detectable copyright violations or close paraphrasing). However, please note that I am accepting a couple of the references in good faith because I, unfortunately, cannot read Chinese. Both the hook and the alternate are cited in the article, shorter than the limit, and interesting (at least to me). The image looks great (it is freely multi-licensed, used in the article, and looks pretty good at small size), and QPQ has been done. Accepting the two Chinese-language sources in good faith, this nomination looks good to go to me! Michael Barera (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Austracantha minax
- ... that jewel spiders (pictured) are also called "Christmas spiders" because they are found during summer?
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- ALT1:... that Christmas spiders (pictured) are so named because they are found during summer?
- Reviewed: TBD
- Comment: I suggest that this be set aside for the holiday week. :) There are other pictures in Commons:Category:Austracantha minax, choose which you think is best.
5x expanded by Obsidian Soul (talk). Self nominated at 18:56, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Mites of livestock
- ... that the mites that infect livestock (poultry mite pictured) have no eyes?
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- ALT1:... that mites that infect livestock (poultry mite pictured) feed either on skin or on the fluids that ooze because of the inflammation the mites cause?
- Reviewed: Randy Dorton
- Comment: Moved into mainspace from Articles for Creation on December 3rd
Created by Daktaridudu (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Ellie Greenwood
- ... that Ellie Greenwood smashed the record for the 100-mile Western States Endurance Run by 50 minutes?
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- ALT1:... that two-time 100km World Champion Ellie Greenwood holds the course records for the Western States 100, the Canadian Death Race, the JFK 50 Mile and the Knee Knackering North Shore Trail Run?
- Reviewed: Anna Mackenzie
Created by FunkyCanute (talk). Self nominated at 22:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
Robert Boal
- ... that Abraham Lincoln encouraged physician Robert Boal (pictured) to run as Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives?
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Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 15:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Created on 3 December, long enough, sufficiently referenced (although all are online so I cannot verify any facts or check for plagiarism), and neutral. The hook is interesting and cited to an offline source so AGF. Image is in the public domain and QPQ has been done. 97198 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Gray-tailed vole
- ... that in the event of a severe flood, the gray-tailed vole will abandon its complex network of tunnels and head for high ground?
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- Reviewed: Walter Hofer
- Comment: Planning to push to GA status. Cannot find an image. Map will hopefully be available soon.
5x expanded by Gaff (talk). Self nominated at 04:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
Article was expanded 5x in past 5 days; article is long enough and has adequately references with no evidence of plagiarism; hook is appropriate length with off-line source taken in good faith.--Orygun (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- I added a reference linked to the 1987 Verts/Carraway paper, with online pdf. It's on page 3 first paragraphy, in the section on behavior. Interestingly, they stay in the burrows until flooding gets to be too much. I tried to fit that into the hook, but wasn't sure just how to do it. —Gaff ταλκ 15:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Stony Creek (Black Creek)
- ... that most of the Stony Creek watershed is forested, but nearly a third is barren land?
- ALT1: ... that Stony Creek is both a migratory and coldwater fishery?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Wood Bush
- Comment: My 117th nomination (though only 108 have gotten to the main page so far)
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 19:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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Hook is rather vague and uninteresting when compared to source. ALT1 suggested. Nominator's name not on given QPQ. The article itself is bland and uninteresting. I am dubious about its notability. And what is the reasoning behind the capitalization of Migratory Fishery and Coldwater Fishery?Georgejdorner (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Georgejdorner: If you actually bothered to read the nomination page, you'd see that I approved the nomination. Please just review the article, okay? --Jakob (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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- When I actually read the nomination, I see Yoninah signing off on it at the bottom. However, if you insist that you actually reviewed the article instead of just commenting, of course I will accept your word in good faith.Georgejdorner (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- It is unusual for a WP editor to have two accounts. How was I supposed to guess the name of the one not given in this QPQ nom, even if I know you have dual accounts?
- When reviewing an article in a field which is unfamiliar to me, I often inquire about notability. In this case, a three mile stream seemed inconsequential. There is no insult intended in the request, just a bid for information to fairly evaluate an article.
- And if articles are allowed to be boring, hooks are not.
- And, once again, I wonder about the odd capitals.
- Could we now please settle down to the business of reviewing a DYK nom?Georgejdorner (talk) 23:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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- It is unusual for a WP editor to have two accounts. How was I supposed to guess the name of the one not given in this QPQ nom, even if I know you have dual accounts? I do not have two accounts. I have a custom signature.
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- "Jakec" does not read "Jakob". If you were consistent in usage, and always used your custom signature, I would not have been confused.
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- And, once again, I wonder about the odd capitals. They're official government designations.
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- Could we now please settle down to the business of reviewing a DYK nom? Yes, let's. --Jakob (talk) 23:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Go Nawaz Go (slogan)
- ... that Go Nawaz Go is a controversial Pakistani chant against current Pakistani Prime Minister and become huge popular in short time?
Created by Saqib (talk). Self nominated at 13:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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- Hook and newness checked. Length is without a doubt ok. But can you give a context for what "short span of time" mean? OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Le Dernier Combat
- ... that director Luc Besson's debut feature film Le Dernier Combat contained only two words of dialogue?
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5x expanded by Freikorp (talk). Self nominated at 12:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Armenia–Azerbaijan relations in the Eurovision Song Contest
- ... that the Eurovision Song Contest has played host to conflicts stemming from the Nagorno-Karabakh War?
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- ALT1:... that during the 2008 Eurovision Song Contest, Azerbaijani officials objected to the use of a monument in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic to represent Armenia?
- ALT2:... that Baku's Ministry of National Security interrogated Azeri citizens who voted for Armenia's song at the 2008 Eurovision Song Contest for being "potential security threats"?
- Reviewed: Luc De Vos
Improved to Good Article status by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nominated at 05:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Despicable Me 2
- ... that the 2013 film Despicable Me 2 became the most profitable film in the history of Universal Studios?
Improved to Good Article status by Captain Assassin! (talk), Carniolus (talk), NintendoFan11 (talk). Nominated by Captain Assassin! (talk) at 03:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
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- First, a pet peeve of mine: reporting statistics like "grossed $368,061,265 in North America, and $602,700,620 in other countries, for a worldwide total of $970,761,885" -- down to the dollar -- is ridiculous, regardless of what the official sources say; these should be rounded to the nearest million. Beyond that, a claim like "most profitable" is misleading unless it's based on constant (inflation-adjusted) dollars, not absolute dollars. I'm pretty sure some source somewhere does this routinely for box-office figures. As always, Capt. Assassin, please don't kill me. EEng (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Torreón massacre
- ... that more than 300 Chinese immigrants were killed in the 1911 Torreón massacre?
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- ALT1:... that Mexico never paid China the $3 million indemnity it agreed to after the deaths of 300 Chinese immigrants in the Torreón massacre?
- ALT2:... that the instigator of the 1911 Torreón massacre was among those killed in the carnage?
- ALT3:... that after the death of 300 Chinese immigrants in Mexico, the Chinese government demanded 30 million pesos and an official apology?
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Pending: I will get to it tomorrow.Boobrie - Comment: I prefer ALTs one through three.
5x expanded by G S Palmer (talk). Self nominated at 03:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 4
1966 Tashkent earthquake
- ... that after the 1966 Tashkent earthquake destroyed most of the city, Tashkent was rebuilt in a more Soviet style?
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- Reviewed: Efter badet (Stockholm)
Created by Valenciano (talk). Self nominated at 13:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Russo-Georgian War
- ... that the Russo-Georgian War was the first war in history when cyber warfare coincided with military action?
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Improved to Good Article status by Chrystal Blue Moon (talk). Nominated by UA Victory (talk) at 10:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Ring-tailed ground squirrel
- ... that the ring-tailed ground squirrel is more dainty and agile than most ground squirrels?
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- Reviewed: Requirements Office
- Comment: The source text states "... its motions are more light and agile than those of most spermophiles (Howell 1938)." In 1938, the genus Spermophilus was used for all the ground squirrels but this genus has now been split up.
5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 07:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Apollo Hotel Amsterdam
- ... that the Apollo Hotel Amsterdam (pictured) is situated near the confluence of five canals?
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Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Drmies (talk) and Yngvadottir (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 05:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Glenwood Generating Station
- ... that an expansion of the Glenwood Generating Station was rejected in part because the Oyster Bay Town Board believed that consumers could instead save energy by wearing sweaters in their homes?
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Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self nominated at 02:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Helen-Ann Hartley
- ... that Helen-Ann Hartley is the first female to have trained as a priest in the Church of England to be consecrated as a bishop?
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... that Helen-Ann Hartley is the first female Church of England priest to become a bishop, having joined the episcopate of the Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia in 2014 before women could become bishops in the Church of England....? - ALT2:... that Helen-Ann Hartley is the first woman to have been ordained in the Church of England to become a bishop?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/San Isidro Labrador Church (Pulilan)
- Comment: alt1 is probably too long but it gives a fuller explanation of why she is notable.
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Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nominated at 11:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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Length, date, sources, neutrality, originality, QPQ, and hook verified. As for the wording of the hook, I'd recommend this compromise between the versions:
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- Her notability is clear enough in this version, and readers can consult the article for further explanation.--Lemuellio (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The trouble is that she wasn't a working with the Church of England when she got elected bishop. So ALT3 is misleading in suggesting she was. She became a bishop outside of the C of E which is what I was trying to get across. Does that make sense? Or maybe I'm just being picky! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 22:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I like ALT4 and agree it is more hooky that the others. But, she the first woman ordained into the CofE to become a bishop. That's an important distinction because there may have been women ordained into other churches in the Anglican Communion who have worked as priests in the CofE (as part of an exchange say) who have become bishops in their home churches. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 17:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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femalewoman to be ordained in the Church of England to become a bishop, but not in England?- Looks good to me! Thanks for the clarifications. Now the situation makes sense.
- This is probably just splitting hairs, but may I make one tiny final suggestion? I think "woman" might work better than "female" in ALT5, simply because using "female" as a noun is relatively uncommon. Other than that personal preference, I'd say it's good to go!--Lemuellio (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have changed female to woman, I agree about the grammar issue. Hope its okay now! It's also good timing to have this particular hook on the main page as there is a lot of focus in the UK at the moment on the appointment of a female bishop. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Michigan State Spartans field hockey
- ... that despite not appearing in the NCAA tournament between its establishment in 1972 and 2001, the Michigan State Spartans field hockey team (pictured) has done so nine times since?
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- ALT1:... that the Michigan State Spartans field hockey team (pictured) plays its home games at a venue originally built for the school's track and field team and dedicated in 1937?
- Reviewed: Kevon Looney
- Comment: To help reduce the backlog, I have also reviewed Rupert Covered Bridge No. 56 and Gravel Run.
Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self nominated at 04:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Northwestern Wildcats field hockey
- ... that the Northwestern Wildcats field hockey team (pictured) won four of its six Big Ten regular-season titles in the 1980s under head coach Nancy Stevens?
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- ALT1:... that while the Northwestern Wildcats (pictured) began playing intercollegiate field hockey in 1975, they did not gain varsity status until 1980?
- Reviewed: Do You Believe in Magic?: The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine
- Comment: To help reduce the backlog, I have also reviewed Bimini Baths and Autonomous spaceport drone ship.
Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self nominated at 04:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
San Isidro Labrador Church (Pulilan)
... that a church in Pulilan, Bulacan is popular for kneeling water buffalos as tribute to the feast day of their patron saint?
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Created by JJ Carpio (talk). Nominated by Carlojoseph14 (talk) at 02:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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The article is long enough and new enough. However, the only references are a tourist-type website which seems to be a review of the church and an offline book (agf). The hook itself does not make grammatical sense: it seems to be suggesting that the church is popular with water buffalo, when it means to say that the church is popular because it celebrates a feast day by having buffalo kneel outside. The article needs a better reference for the hook and the hook itself needs re-writing. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 10:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Gaia Octavia Agrippa: added a citation/ref to the hook. Let me rephrase the hook:
ALT1: ... that water buffalos kneel with its two front legs in front of a church in Pulilan, Bulacan?- Still doesn't read right. How about something along the lines of 'feast day celebrations involve kneeling water buffalo'? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- What makes it wrong? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Please don't take offence at this, but is English your first language? a) you have removed the context for the kneeling buffalo, ie the feast day, b) the plural of buffalo is buffalo (like sheep and sheep), c) no need to include the details about them kneeling on their front legs as that is a given as they can't kneel on their back legs Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- What makes it wrong? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Still doesn't read right. How about something along the lines of 'feast day celebrations involve kneeling water buffalo'? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I do not think that there is a problem with only an online source and offline book in an article for DYK. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 10:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I agree, but I'm more worried that the hook is only cited using the touristy type/review website. It doesn't seem very reliable. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The hook was cited from (1) offical website of the local government unit of Bulacan and (2) news websites such as GMA News and Interaksyon. I added cites when I made the ALT. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Looks fine now.Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The hook was cited from (1) offical website of the local government unit of Bulacan and (2) news websites such as GMA News and Interaksyon. I added cites when I made the ALT. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I agree, but I'm more worried that the hook is only cited using the touristy type/review website. It doesn't seem very reliable. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- So, how would we rephrase the hook?
ALT1a: ... that the feast day celebration in honor of Saint Isidore the Laborer involves water buffalo kneeling in front of a church in Pulilan, Bulacan?
- Good for you? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Much better. Passes everything now.Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, it would read better if it said 'involves water buffalo kneeling in front' rather than 'kneeling buffalo'. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 11:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Good for you? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Perfect. ALT1a is good to go, others have been struck.Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 12:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Waiting on QPQ. Strangely no previous DYKs showed up using QPQ check but evidence on talk page suggests otherwise. And thanks to Carlojoseph14 themselves for pointing it out. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 12:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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This is the proper icon for a missing QPQ. Carlojoseph14 definitely has more than five nominations (when I use the check, it lists twenty-five of them, and his talk page shows eight DYK main-page messages), so he's on the hook for one here and the nomination should not be given a tick, because that would mean it's ready for immediate promotion. That's not the case when a QPQ has not been completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, I already reviewed Ovi (poetry). --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 07:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've fixed the QPQ links so they're to the review page rather than the article itself. I'll let Gaia Octavia Agrippa finish here now that the QPQ has been completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks @BlueMoonset:. I had forgotten to change the symbol when I found out about Carlojoseph14's other DYKs. QPQ has been done there it is now ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk • contribs) 16:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank again BlueMoonset! Its been a while since I've been involved in DYK. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 17:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Operation Millpond
- ... that failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba caused cancellation of Operation Millpond in Thailand?
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- ALT1:... that failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion caused cancellation of Operation Millpond in Thailand?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Polistes apachus
- Comment: As America slid into the Laotian Civil War—and eventually into the Vietnam War—there were no shortage of incremental secret operations designed to win the war(s) with just a bit more pressure. Millpond was one of them. Conceived and gathered in hasty secrecy, this fleet of attack aircraft never dropped a bomb nor entered combat in Laos. However, it set the precedent for the use of air power in Laos.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 20:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
Guanacaste Conservation Area
- ... that the Guanacaste Conservation Area, located in Northwest Costa Rica, is a 163,000 hectare expanse of protected land and sea?
5x expanded by Nicholepanico (talk). Self nominated at 19:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Article has been expanded at least 5x. Expander has no other DYKs. Some reference issues within the article: some refs seem to be self published sources and wikis. However, it also uses reputable source. The hook its self is cited using a link that doesn't go to the references article but to the websites home page (agf for non-English): this needs to be fixed. The article is well written and free from any issues. The hook is interesting and the right length. Once the ref issue has been sorted it is good to go. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 10:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Verlorenvlei redfin
- ... that the Verlorenvlei redfin (pictured), having lost one of its two habitats, now faces threats from agriculture and invasive species?
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- Comment: The image is there if you want it. However, I think the little letter in the upper left-hand corner kind of makes it undesirable for the main page.
Created by G S Palmer (talk). Self nominated at 18:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
- The hook is interesting and of the right length. It is referenced within the article.
- The picture is good and relevant. I don't see an issue with the small letter in the corner as it isn't really visible at such a small scale. I'm not sure if the image is free-use as it requires attribution.
- Waiting on the completion of National Shrine of Saint Jude Thaddeus and clarification of the image. Then good to go, Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 10:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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- @Gaia Octavia Agrippa: 1) References to the other sources: I have added a citation to the 2000 JoH paper; however, since I have no way of accessing them, I am not going to cite the others. Their conslusions are outlined in the ZooKeys paper and I feel that is sufficient. 2) Image: a Creative Commons license is one of the image licenses acceptable for use on the main page. 3) QPQ: has now been resolved. Hopefully this addresses the issues you saw. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification about the image. Looks good to go! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 22:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Peter Daniel Anthonisz
- ... that in 1887 Dr. Peter Daniel Anthonisz became the inaugural president of the Ceylon branch of the British Medical Association?
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- Reviewed: Peak Walk
- Comment: The article was moved from my sandbox on 4 December 2014
- The SLMA's first meeting was on 17 December 1887 - so if it could be included on the DYK for that day (i.e. Did You Know ALT1: ... that on this day in 1887 Dr. Peter Daniel Anthonisz became the inaugural president of the Ceylon branch of the British Medical Association? )
Created/expanded by Dan arndt (talk). Self nominated at 05:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 5
Operation Booster Shot
- ... that Operation Booster Shot parachuted shoes into trackless muddy wilderness?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Navalram Pandya
- Comment: So what happens when you take Tammany Hall politics to the jungle? Watch the Americans try to buy an election with air-dropped goodies. See the Pathet Lao turn that generosity around against them. Set your mind awhirl with the consequences. Step right up, reviewers. Hurry, hurry, hurry.Georgejdorner (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 1:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Cranberry Creek
- ... that during the restoration of Cranberry Creek, nearly 7,000 feet (2,100 m) of it was relocated?
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 01:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
The Eruption of Mount Pelee
- ... that Georges Méliès's film The Eruption of Mount Pelee (pictured) made the poet Guillaume Apollinaire exclaim that he and Méliès both worked to "enchant ordinary materials"?
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- ALT1:... that while Georges Méliès recreated The Eruption of Mount Pelee using scale models and pyrotechnics (pictured), Edison employees attempted to get a similar effect by making a beer barrel explode?
- Reviewed: Helen-Ann Hartley
Created by Lemuellio (talk). Self nominated at 21:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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New enough, long enough, and appears to meet core policies (the article is neutral, apparently well cited, and free of any detectable copyright violations or close paraphrasing issues). I am accepting many of the references in good faith, both those that are in French or Catalan (which I unfortunately cannot read) and those that are books (to which I do not have access). One potential issue is that the brief "Summary" section of this article is completely uncited. I would certainly feel better if this section was cited, but I'm unfamiliar with cinema articles and if this lack of citations in a summary section is not an issue, then please let me know. Both the hook and the alternate are short enough, well cited in the article (again accepting some sources in good faith), and certainly interesting. Either would work well on the main page, in my opinion. The image looks great (it is in the public domain, is used in the article, and shows up well at small size), and QPQ has been done. If the lack of citations in the "Summary" section can be resolved and/or is not an issue, I'll be more than happy to pass this nomination, accepting the foreign-language and offline references that I cannot verify in good faith. Michael Barera (talk) 01:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- According to the Manual of Style at WP:FILMPLOT, "citing the film explicitly in the plot summary's section is not necessary." Thanks for the review!--Lemuellio (talk) 14:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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That resolves my question, Lemuellio. Thank you! I now feel confident in saying that this article is good to go, again accepting some of the citations in good faith. Michael Barera (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Bryce Alford
- ... that basketball player Bryce Alford (pictured) joined his father at UCLA after breaking a 50-year-old New Mexico high school single-season scoring record?
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- Reviewed: Harriet F. Rees House
- Comment: 50-year single-season scoring record is cited by USA Today ("Alford broke a 50-year-old single-season scoring record, finishing the year with 1,050 points."), while Inside UCLA states more specifically that it is a New Mexico high school record ("New Mexico’s high school single-season scoring leader (1,050 points)").
Created by Bagumba (talk). Self nominated at 20:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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Good to go. Length, date (this is a new article btw -- all posted yesterday), sources, neutrality, originality, QPQ, and hook verified. Epeefleche (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Military march (Bruckner)
- ... that Bruckner's military march was perhaps not performed by the band (example pictured) for which he composed it, but a march he did not write was performed for his centenary?
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- Comment: quirky enough?
Created by User:Meneerke bloem (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Damaji
- ... that the saint Damaji Pant is said to have opened the royal granaries to the public in the famine of 1460, which is known as "Damaji Pant's famine" in the Deccan region in his honour?
- ALT ... that the famine of 1460 is known as "Damaji Pant's famine" in the Deccan region in honour of the saint's generosity in the famine?
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Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nominated at 11:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Minerva Armored Car
- ... that Lieutenant Charles Henkart, creator of the Belgian Minerva Armored Car (pictured), one of the first armoured cars in WWI, was ambushed by the Germans and killed in one of his cars?
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Created/expanded by Esemono (talk). Self nominated at 08:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
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Hook is interesting and length is fine. Hook is cited to offline source, so good faith is assumed. However:
- Article is long enough now and has been expanded five times by the nominator, but a substantial part of the article, the first two sections, is about armoured cars generally with only one sentence on the Minerva. The two general sections are longer than the third section and the article would not meet the 5x expansion limit requirement if they were omitted.
- It would be useful to know when and where Lieutenant Henkart was killed as this is not given in the article. It would also be useful to know when the armoured car was first manufactured. At the moment, the article states just that Henkart arranged the conversion in 1914 and that they were in use by August 1914. It would also be interesting to know where construction continued after Antwerp was captured by the German Army in October 1914 and how many of the armoured cars were built?
- The source and copyright status of the image is unclear. The Wikimedia Commons page assumes that it was published more than 70 years ago (which may be true), but gives no proof of publication before 1944, the source being a Flickr page.--DavidCane (talk) 23:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
A Pair of Silk Stockings
- ... that Kate Chopin chose to publish "A Pair of Silk Stockings" in Vogue because of its "fearless and truthful" depiction of women and their lives?
Created by Seresin (talk). Self nominated at 05:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC).
Cyclone Nigel, Cyclone Eric
- ... that Severe Tropical Cyclones Eric and Nigel made landfall on Fiji's Viti Levu within a week of each other?
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Created by Jason Rees (talk). Self nominated at 14:49, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 6
Fermat's right triangle theorem, Congruum
- ... that Fermat's only complete proof shows there is no integer right triangle with square area, pair of integer right triangles sharing two sides, or square gap between three equally spaced squares?
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Created/expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nominated at 06:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
Down Street tube station
- ... that Prime Minister Winston Churchill used the closed Down Street tube station as a secret bunker during World War II?
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Improved to Good Article status by DavidCane (talk). Self nominated at 00:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
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Article was promoted to Good Article status within the last five days. All relevant sources are offline and are accepted in good faith for accuracy and close paraphrasing. QPQ verified. If the citation to Churchill calling Down Street "the Barn" were more prominent then a more irreverent hook like "...Churchill stayed in the Barn..." might be a suitable alternative, but the current hook is fine. As an aside, I'd consider replacing the 1912 map with either the File:Down Street Map Mockup.png (easier to read) or a diagram explaining the reworking of the west side to create access to the siding. It's a little unclear in the text. Good read through and through. I'd heard of Down Street but didn't know the details. Mackensen (talk) 14:11, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- ALT1 ... that early in World War II, Winston Churchill took refuge in the Barn?
- EEng (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- That does not link to the article and would require a surprise piped link. I think that "secret bunker" is more hooky. If you want to include the code name you could have:
- ALT2 ... that during World War II, Winston Churchill used a secret bunker at Down Street tube station code named "The Barn"?
- --DavidCane (talk) 16:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, fixed ALT1 to link to article (and "surprise piped links" are OK in hooks). The problems with ALT0/2 are that I don't see anything in the article saying its use was "secret", nor does it say the Barn was a "code name", merely that Churchill called it that. If I may say I think ALT1 is more clickworthy -- most people with any interest in WW2 know that tube stations were used as shelters, but not barns. EEng (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- I was going to make a similar suggestion:
Hand to Mouth: Living in Bootstrap America
- ... that the book Hand to Mouth: Living in Bootstrap America contains a chapter entitled "I've Got Way Bigger Problems Than a Spinach Salad Can Solve"?
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- Reviewed: North Lebanon Clashes (2014)
Created by Freikorp (talk). Self nominated at 23:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
J. Fred Buzhardt
- ... that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and J. Fred Buzhardt, two of Strom Thurmond's closest advisors, tried to talk him out of his marriage to former beauty queen Nancy Moore?
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Created by Mackensen (talk). Self nominated at 22:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Lapis Lacedaemonius
- ... that Lapis Lacedaemonius, a volcanic rock known today only from a single source, has been used as decoration in places as far apart as London, Venice and Palermo?
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Agriculture in Svalbard
Created by Yakikaki (talk). Self nominated at 22:37, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
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The page is new enough, and created by the nominator. It is referenced. Also it is large enough. The first hook fails to mention London, so perhaps the article needs a change? Hook alt1 however makes it into the article and is referenced, but it is an AGF as I cannot read the reference. However google search reveals that this material is real and not a hoax. No copyvio found. QPQ performed and accepted. So good to go with alt1. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Fullbright (company)
- ... that Fullbright shared a house while making 2013 video game Gone Home, which later won "Best Debut" from the 2014 BAFTA and GDC Awards (pictured receiving award)?
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Created by Czar (talk). Self nominated at 17:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Sisters High School (historic)
- ... that construction of Sisters High School (pictured) in Sisters, Oregon was partially funded by the US Government as a Public Works Administration project in 1939?
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Created by Orygun (talk). Self nominated at 06:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 7
2014 Quick Lane Bowl
- ... that the 2014 Quick Lane Bowl is the first college football bowl game appearance by the University of North Carolina in the state of Michigan?
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Created by Mackensen (talk). Self nominated at 04:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
1979 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship Game
- ... that the 1979 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship Game had the highest Nielsen ratings of any U.S. basketball game?
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Created by Giants2008 (talk). Self nominated at 22:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Auto Defense Choc
- ... that the success of Auto Defense Choc was based on prepacked equipment?
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- ALT1:... Auto Defense Choc paid ten cents per day?
- ALT2:... that within two months, Auto Defense Choc had surrounded the Plain of Jars with 5,000 newly trained troops?
- Reviewed: Church of the Holy Family, Ince Blundell
- Comment: If there was ever a program for producing instant soldiers, this is it. Used to train Lao hill tribesmen to fight communist invaders, this program became the mainstay of Royalist Lao resistance to the Vietnamese and Pathet Lao. It was so successful it was widely copied throughout Southeast Asia during the Laotian Civil War and the Vietnam War. It was doomed by its own success, as ADC troops were absorbed into the regular forces.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 21:08, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
The Graham Children
- ... that one of the children shown in The Graham Children (pictured) by William Hogarth had died by the time the painting was completed?
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Moved to mainspace by Philafrenzy (talk). Self nominated at 19:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
San Jose de Ivana Church
- ... that the rear portion of the San Jose de Ivana Church was closed in 1844 due to decrease in the town's population?
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Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 15:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Gandhinagar (Lok Sabha constituency)
- ... that Indian film actor Rajesh Khanna contested the 1996 Gandhinagar parliamentary by-election?
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- ALT1:... that former Indian MP Purushottam Mavalankar, elected to represent Gandhinagar in 1977, was the son of the first Speaker of the Lok Sabha?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Boat Race 1852
5x expanded by Cowlibob (talk). Self nominated at 14:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
St Paul's Church, Seacombe
- ... that in 2013–14 the formerly shortened spire of St Paul's Church, Seacombe, (pictured during reconstruction) was restored to its original height using a stainless steel frame?
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Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 11:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Aero-engined car
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- ALT2:... that in 1964, the aero-engined car Wingfoot Express was driven to a world-record speed of 413 mph (665 km/h) by Tom Green, who had never before driven over 130 mph (210 km/h)?
- Reviewed: Stained glass in Liverpool Cathedral, Operation Hardnose, Hibutsu, Dahlander pole changing motor, and SS Republic (1871)
Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self nominated at 04:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
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Overall: Operation Hardnose is accepted as the QPQ; I would advise the editor to save the others for other DYK noms. I doubt I have ever seen more effort put into a DYK article. However, the original hook, interesting as it is, is not cited per DYK. ALT1 is cited at the end of three sentences containing the hook info; it makes no sense to insert two extraneous repetitive cites in this case, so I consider ALT1 is GTG. ALT2 is GTG; I think it the most appealing. Though I have struck the original hook, I would withdraw my objection if properly placed citing were placed in the article. Article presently GTG with ALT1 or ALT2.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks very much for the review, Georgejdorner. I really appreciate it, especially considering the length of this article.
- Comment: The first hook is cited in the Murphy article (footnote 1), which is the reference upon which that whole paragraph draws from. I've been reading a lot of featured articles recently, and I've noticed that in those articles if multiple sentences within the same paragraph share a citation, the footnote is typically given only once, after the text that draws from it. In this spirit, everything in this article is properly cited, with (in each and every case) the following footnote containing the relevant citation, even if it is at the end of a string of sentences or a paragraph (as it is in this specific case). I hope that this makes sense. I could go back and add multiple redundant citations to the article (ie, repeat the same footnote after every sentence in the paragraph about the airship-engined Fiat instead of just having one citation at the end of the paragraph that accounts for everything), but to use your words I believe that they would be "extraneous repetitive cites". Michael Barera (talk) 00:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- PS: Don't worry about my use of multiple QPQ reviews. First of all, I'm consciously trying to help reduce the backlog, and secondly (as you have noticed) this was a massive article to review for DYK, so I threw in a couple more reviews to make up for the extra reviewing burden that this article caused. And, because of that, I really, really appreciate you taking the time and effort to review this article. Thanks again! Michael Barera (talk) 00:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you are not dealing with Featured Articles. This is DYK land, where different is in. And yes, I have witnessed editors tacking in extraneous cites at the end of a sentence just to satisfy the DYK requirement for the hook. Silly, but there it is. I also dislike it. I avoid it.
- The review stems from an old memory of watching an unsanctioned match drag race between jet-powered cars at Cecil County Dragaway in the 60s. One was Aarfons' Galloping Gourmet, a 150 mph (or so) garbage truck. The other looked like a jet fighter cockpit on four wheels. They ran at dusk. Spectacular!
- PS. Just old memories. In WP, that equates to the dreaded Original Research. So don't quote me.Georgejdorner (talk) 05:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Kickboxer (remake)
- ... that Jean-Claude Van Damme is returning in the remake of the original Kickboxer film?
Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self nominated at 02:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 8
Josef Knubel
- ... that Josef Knubel first climbed the Matterhorn at fifteen years old?
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Created by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 10:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
Grand Theft Auto IV
- ... that Peter Moore announced Grand Theft Auto IV by rolling up his sleeve to reveal a tattoo of the logo?
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- ALT1:... that Grand Theft Auto IV was revealed when Peter Moore showed a tattoo of the logo?
- Reviewed: Briarcliff Manor Public Library
Improved to Good Article status by Rhain1999 (talk). Self nominated at 08:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
Narekavank
- ... that the prominent medieval Armenian monastery of Narekavank (pictured in 1911) was demolished and replaced by a mosque?
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- Reviewed: Bagrat II Bagratuni
5x expanded by Yerevantsi (talk). Self nominated at 03:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
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December 25 (Christmas)
Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a
... that Bach scored the Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, for five voices, the first of selected works "outside the normal routine"?
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... that Bach composed the Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, in his first year as Thomaskantor, for first the first Marian feast and then Christmas? - ALT2:... that Bach added four movements to his Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, composed for the first Marian feast, when he performed it again for Christmas?
- Reviewed: Santa Cruz Parish Church (Maribojoc)
- Comment: We also might say something about the first mentioning of the Visitation designation in 2003, which didn't appear on Wikipedia until yesterday. I will look if I find a picture that hasn't appeared.
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 08:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC).
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Nominated one day after creation, therefore new enough. Qualifies for "long enough" by a factor of nearly 10 (14568 characters of prose.) Article is written in neutral language, and the inline citations utilize a liberal selection of sources throughout the entire article. No paraphrasing or other copyright concerns detected. My preference is ALT2. The first hook is a bit confusing. Alt1 is good, but I find ALT2 to be more interesting than the average DYK hook. This hook fact is directly cited, and can be found in Jones, pages 132-133. The hook itself is neutral, negative BLP not applicable here. QPQ complete. No image to check. Ready for mainpage exposure. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:28, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Several paragraphs lack cites, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
- They are based on the score, written today, long after the nomination. I will supply page numbers tonight (but can't help thinking that the article is a few times long enough without the paragraphs). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- It's not a question of long enough; DYK requires at least one cite per paragraph. There is no cite in the last paragraph under History, and onward through the description of the score and each movement. Yoninah (talk) 19:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I said I will add refs, no? I FEEL that the article was long enough without the paragraphs I added today, and if they cause problems I can remove them until after DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- If that each paragraph must have an inline citation, shouldn't that appear in the rules, and in the meta material in the actual review process? I must have missed that discussion. Nonetheless I agree it is a good standard to follow, and in fact I passed this article because just above the "un-sourced" paragraphs the source for them is cited. I didn't view these as individual paragraphs, but a section, broken into parts, and felt the section as a whole was sourced. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- @78.26: there is a lengthy list of Supplementary guidelines. Please see Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Whatever Teh Rulez, I added the page numbers that will be requested in a GA review anyway. They will not help readers who have different editions of a score, - for them the precise naming of text and measure numbers - which was there - will be more helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you, Gerda. What about the first paragraph under Scoring and structure? Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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- That is kind of a sub-lead of things mentioned later. I will follow the rulez and double the refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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- See remark at Talk:Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a#WP:PRIMARY concerns - these need definitely be sorted before wider (...e.g. main page) exposure is given to the article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose it best to give a somewhat wider treatment to the four canticles in the Magnificat 243a article (somewhat like the treatment of the individual 12 movements): these canticles are the object of the DYK, the article doesn't give much information on them. E.g. Kuhnau, who used the text of these four canticles in a predecessor Christmas cantate isn't even mentioned in the 243a article, etc. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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- * I responded on the talk. This is DYK. It will grow, and feel free to add. I actually think it's ripe for a merge with the later one in D. No rush, Christmas would be a good day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- * re. PRIMARY, see my answer there; re. DYK level: the DYK is about the "added four movements", the treatment of which is insufficient currently in the article (notwithstanding the many outstanding qualities of the article), so I really oppose this being ready for DYK. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- The sections with "primary sources" were moved from the article, and information on the Christmas parts added. Please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I think we're about where we need to be for more exposure on the article(s) (plural for the highly linked BWV 243). I'd leave the discretion to you DYK people from here on. Sorry for not being too consequential on reference formatting, less acquainted with the templates. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
However... the noteworthy fact proposed under ALT2: "... that Bach added four movements to his Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, composed for the first Marian feast, when he performed it again for Christmas?" appears to be unreferenced. It is on several Wikipedia pages (I think also the cantatas pages mention it), but I didn't find any corroboration in any of the sources I read thusfar (that is up to and including the Jenkins 2000 introduction for Novello). All of them posit Christmas 1723 as the first version of the Magnificat (so no prior version from 2 July without the laudes):It shouldn't be presented as "fact" if it can only be found in a limited set of sources.The content should have a clear reference in all articles that mention it (I think 5 of 6). This is not something optional but subject to fundamental Wikipedia policy (WP:REDFLAG!!!)No DYK about it before this has been cleared.
- --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- I don't like ALT2 too much if we don't have it for Christmas, and we will not, because DYK is kept only for six weeks. Can we look again at the other hooks? Until 2003, it was believed that Bach composed the piece for Christmas, that's why it's in the older sources. Ref #4: "about first performance s. A. Glöckner, in: BJ 2003, p. 37ff." That it was composed in July already, making it one of the early pieces of Bach's tenure in Leipzig, is a true DYK fact. Can someone word that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Tx, I withdraw my last remark, it has been settled [19] --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:25, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- I don't like ALT2 too much if we don't have it for Christmas, and we will not, because DYK is kept only for six weeks. Can we look again at the other hooks? Until 2003, it was believed that Bach composed the piece for Christmas, that's why it's in the older sources. Ref #4: "about first performance s. A. Glöckner, in: BJ 2003, p. 37ff." That it was composed in July already, making it one of the early pieces of Bach's tenure in Leipzig, is a true DYK fact. Can someone word that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I think we're about where we need to be for more exposure on the article(s) (plural for the highly linked BWV 243). I'd leave the discretion to you DYK people from here on. Sorry for not being too consequential on reference formatting, less acquainted with the templates. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- The sections with "primary sources" were moved from the article, and information on the Christmas parts added. Please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- * re. PRIMARY, see my answer there; re. DYK level: the DYK is about the "added four movements", the treatment of which is insufficient currently in the article (notwithstanding the many outstanding qualities of the article), so I really oppose this being ready for DYK. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- * I responded on the talk. This is DYK. It will grow, and feel free to add. I actually think it's ripe for a merge with the later one in D. No rush, Christmas would be a good day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I added Francis as contributor, after a lot of source work, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm back. I agree with Gerda that we should reconsider the first two hooks; I personally like ALT1, which is verified and cited inline. The original hook is AGF on foreign-language (and offline, for me) ref. However, the page now has an OR tag on the "The twelve movements of the Magnificat canticle" section, and nothing in that section is sourced. What to do now? Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Please avoid "cosmetic" cite repairs [20] --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Francis keeps me busy elsewhere (RL also), I had no time for this and have no time right now, sorry. The movements are sourced to the score. We can drop the section completely for now and link to the D major version (the rest is still long enough for DYK)?? We can say the section is an extra service to readers?? We can say that the claims in it are evident in the score, which every reader can follow by movement and measure numbers?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Gerda, I have no expertise in this. Please do what you think is best and I'll review it again. Or come back to it when you have time (and maybe by then it will be 6 weeks to Christmas? :) ). Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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- I like the Christmas idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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The article was proposed to be merged into the other Bach Magnificat article, which would normally put it on hold until the proposal to merge it into BWV 243 was settled one way or the other. I was surprised to find no sign of any discussion at the BWV 243 talk page. I have therefore been WP:BOLD and removed the merge proposal, since not even the proposer has bothered to discuss it in over half a month. Either this will hold, or the discussion will start in earnest, and this nomination will get closer to the point where it can either proceed or be rendered moot. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:08, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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- The hold is in this nomination: wait until it's only six more weeks to Christmas. Will look into it tomorrow or Tuesday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I still support the merge and am prepared to discuss it wherever deemed necessary. I took the lack of further discussion as a "no opposition to the merge" and would usually proceed with it, time permitting. Note that the merge has been discussed by me in some high end procedure, can't remember anyone opposing it in the end, however, true, there have been no further additions to that discussion on the article's talk page since. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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- I have also no idea. I removed the stubs for the 12 single movements of the canticle and replaced them by links to the article on the later transposition. What's missing is more detail to the other four movements, the Christmas specials which don't belong in the other article. Wait a bit, please, or look at a hook not related to Christmas (when nobody will look anyway). The fact that it was intended for Visitation (only later Christmas) is a real DYK, something that is not well known but should be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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Article now redirects to Magnificat (Bach); if a separate article is not reestablished soon for this version, the nomination will obviously have to close. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Close nomination, or reopen/move the nomination based on or to the current article. Don't know which of these two alternative options may apply? --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- See also. One person requested a merge and also performed it, now twice (see article history), without support by others, against opposes. A new experience. - My understanding of consensus is different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Gerda, until this matter is settled, this nomination is on hold. Francis, this nomination should not be closed by you or by anyone until the proposed merge has been discussed and has been decided, one way or another. That discussion should only be closed by an independent party, preferably an admin, which means not by you. If this article is ultimately merged, I doubt it will be eligible for DYK under the 5x expansion rule at that point; the article would have to become a Good Article to become eligible again. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Re. "this nomination should not be closed by you" - the only thing I did was commenting on BlueMoonset's "...the nomination will obviously have to close", offering alternatives if these were possible under DYK procedure.
- Obviously I'm not very versed in DYK matters, what is the "5x expansion rule"?
- Re. There is no consensus to have this content here, contra last reversion; only Francis is arguing for that position: see Talk:Magnificat (Bach)#Position of main article content — Gerda agreed to Magnificat (Bach) being the main content page instead of Magnificat in D major, BWV 243. In fact this has nothing to do with the merge discussion (which is now at Talk:Magnificat (Bach)#Merge discussion), and afaics, also of no consequence to this DYK nomination (or is it? please explain then). --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- Gerda was even more explicit now: "I am not against the name Magnificat (Bach) for the D major version" [21] - so I think there's no objection to revert this and this
- BTW, I looked up the 5x expansion rule. Technically this series of edits I performed yesterday was expanding the content of Magnificat (Bach) over five times. I say technically, while I don't know whether such would be suffient for a DYK on that article, just saying when those looking in to this might consider this, I have no stake in thwarting whatever DYK nomination, only offering something that might be an agreeable solution that satisfies all. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Reviewer needed; proposed merger was closed with the decision not to merge; nomination is again active. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- As we are heading towards Christmas I struck the original hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- :REVIEW COMPLETED - The following has been checked in this review by Esemono
QPQ: Santa Cruz Parish Church (Maribojoc)
Article created by Gerda Arendt on September 24, 2014 and has 24103 characters (4045 words) "readable prose size"
NPOV
Hook is interesting, short enough with Refs 5 and 6
proposed merger was closed with the decision not to merge
AGF on offline sourcing with Refs 5 and 6
Every paragraph, except the first, is sourced
Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio, although liberal use of quotes
GTG -- Esemono (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you! Striking ALT1, too many "first". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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John Lewis Christmas advert
- ... that Tom Odell covered the last song recorded by The Beatles for the John Lewis Christmas advert in 2014?
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- Reviewed: The Elder Statesman (brand)
Created by 03md (talk). Self nominated at 00:45, 7 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Earwig's Copyvio Detector returns "Violation Unlikely". Hook is decent enough, but the article refers to it as being the Beatles "last single", which is not necessarily the same thing. Otherwise, every paragraph is cited, including the hook fact. Edwardx (talk) 10:14, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the review - I've changed "single" to "song" in the article to reflect the hook as I know there can be some ambiguity. 03md 21:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Note to Edwardx: Earwig's detector was removed from the DYK list because it was deemed unreliable as a copyvio and close paraphrase check. Please use either Duplication detector or do your own spotcheck of sources. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:13, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry about that BlueMoonset. Another reviewer recommended Earwig a while ago - I was unfamiliar with its history vis-a-vis DYK. I've now used dup detactor, and found no significant close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. Edwardx (talk) 10:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Edwardx, do you have anything remaining on this review, or need anything to be done? If not, then it needs to be completed with the proper icon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for the reminder BlueMoonset. Everything is fine now. Edwardx (talk) 09:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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See, Amid the Winter's Snow
- ... that "See, Amid the Winter's Snow" calls for the listener to "Sing through all Jerusalem, Christ is born in Bethlehem"?
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- Reviewed: Evan Dimas
- Comment: For Christmas
5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self nominated at 09:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Nice article for xmas and well expanded. Sadly no image or short recording. (Hey you! with the voice, piano and microphone??!! microfame awaits!) Well referenced, nuetral article from experienced editor. Thanks C of E. I offer an alt below but I'm happy with yours which is reffed. Victuallers (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- (alt1) ... that "See, Amid the Winter's Snow" is The Hymn for Christmas?
Grumpy Cat's Worst Christmas Ever
- ... that Aubrey Plaza rewrote the majority of her lines when voicing Grumpy Cat (pictured) in Grumpy Cat's Worst Christmas Ever?
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- Comment: QPQ yet to be completed. Please save for Christmas Day.
Created by Tokyogirl79 (talk), Miyagawa (talk). Nominated by Miyagawa (talk) at 17:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC).
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- Added QPQ review - Nikki Lane. Miyagawa (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Created November 30, article body 2,614 characters, neutral (mentions overwhelming negative feedback, slightly positive feedback that the movie got), quite well sourced, no copyvios detected, hook is 124 characters max, fun, cited in ref #1, with no neutrality issues, QPQ good, image CC-BY-SA-3.0 on Commons, in article, and very cute in all sizes, including small. This one's definitely ready and can be held for Christmas, as you wish. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 17:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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What Child Is This?
- ... that the lyrics to the carol "What Child Is This?" were written by William Chatterton Dix during his spiritual renewal following a near-death experience?
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- ALT1:... that the story behind the carol "What Child Is This?" centres around the Adoration of the Shepherds (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fluorine azide
- Comment: Please save for Christmas Day.
5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self nominated at 11:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC).
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New enough expansion, long enough (5x expansion of prose, from 590 to 3,044 characters by my admittedly unscientific count), and free of any major policy issues (the article is neutral, generally well cited, and free of any apparent copyright violations or close paraphrasing). Aside from the two references that are behind paywalls, which I am accepting in good faith, the only potential issue with this nomination is that the "Recordings" list/section is uncited (save for two references). If it is an issue, it should probably be taken care of at this stage. Both the hook and the alternate are short enough, cited in the article, and interesting. Furthermore, QPQ has been done, and the image looks great (it is in the public domain, is used in the article, and shows up well at relatively small size). If the mostly uncited list of recordings is not an issue, and keeping in mind that I am accepting the two sources that are behind paywalls in good faith, I think this nomination is good to go.
- Finally, I'd be happy to move this nomination to the Christmas special occasion holding area. If someone else would rather move it instead, that's fine by me as well. Michael Barera (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC) (original post modified at 19:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC))