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- 1 vármegy articles need references
- 2 WikiWomen's History Month
- 3 Budapest airport
- 4 Rovas-related debates
- 5 Rovas city limit signs
- 6 Talk:Denes Lukacs
- 7 New article: Rural parliament
- 8 Hungarian article needs check
- 9 Honfoglalás
- 10 Advice
- 11 Invitation
- 12 page of Zeman (nobleman)
- 13 Is the footballer more notable?
- 14 ő → ö
- 15 Discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?
- 16 Kovács Erzsi
- 17 enyedi gyorgy (geografus) halala: 2 pontositas
- 18 History of Vojvodina article
- 19 Gyula J. Obádovics
- 20 Expatriate tagged with WikiProject Hungary
- 21 deletion
- 22 Greater Hungary vs. Hungarian revisionism
- 23 Helicopters
- 24 Ethnic map of Hungary
- 25 Mózes_Székely
- 26 RFC at Talk:History of Vojvodina
- 27 Regency 1918-
- 28 János Esterházy
- 29 File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG
- 30 Hungarophobia
- 31 Military history of Hungary
- 32 WP Hungary article
- 33 Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526)
- 34 Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg
- 35 Radó von Kövesligethy
- 36 Stephen Báthory for a GA
- 37 Hungarian language
- 38 Wikipedia article:
- 39 Actors with Hungarian Descent
- 40 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Wooden Belfry of Nyírbátor
- 41 Requested article: Hungarian Civil War (1384–1394)
- 42 Kalyi Jag
- 43 List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin
- 44 New article and move: Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos?
- 45 viktatúra / Victatorship
- 46 List of rulers of Hungary
- 47 Elizabeth of Bosnia FAC
- 48 Subdivisions of Hungary
- 49 Hungarian names
- 50 Hungarian Turanism
- 51 Hungarians in Serbia
- 52 Magyaro Airlines - hoax?
- 53 Rába (company)
- 54 Two lists
- 55 Copyright concerns related to your project
- 56 Merge
- 57 Peer review: Hunyadi family
- 58 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Romania (political concept)
- 59 Request for move
- 60 Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!
- 61 Wiki Loves Pride 2014
- 62 AfC submission - 09/06
- 63 Leaflet For Wikiproject Hungary At Wikimania 2014
- 64 Monarch categorization
- 65 Andras Schiff
- 66 Occupation of Southern Slovakia
- 67 Wikipedia:Peer review/Matthias Corvinus/archive1
- 68 Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
- 69 FAC:Stephen I of Hungary
- 70 Gyula Gömbös Edits POV/Anti-Semitic?
- 71 The National Bank of Hungary changed its name and logo
- 72 Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
- 73 "Hungarian Improved"
- 74 Expert attention
- 75 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes
- 76 Article on a Hungarian rail line proposed for deletion
- 77 Márton-nap
- 78 Help needed
- 79 Help and new member
- 80 Notability check at Draft:Erno Polgar
- 81 Peer review: Hungarian prehistory
- 82 WikiProject X is live!
- 83 Stephen I of Hungary
- 84 Nyíregyháza
- 85 Seeking for comments
- 86 Szeklerland / More opinions needed
- 87 Article request: Ottó Herman
- 88 Proposed deletion of Wildgraves of Bakony
- 89 Proposed deletion of County of Csesznek and Milvány
- 90 genus vs gens
vármegy articles need references
Szervusz, Y'all!
I have looked at some of the articles on counties of the Kingdom of Hungary. Those I've looked at have no references. They seem to be largely, but not completely, based on the corresponding article in the Hungarian Wikipedia. Does anybody know where the information originated? If somebody can point me in the right direction, I'll add some references to these articles. Bloody Viking (talk) 19:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Hungary will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Hungary's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Budapest airport
Budapest airport's English pages use both "Budapest Liszt Ferenc International Airport" and "Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport" - Normally Hungarian names in English have the family name first. Which name form should we use? WhisperToMe (talk) 10:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- Due to a lack of responses, I just moved it to "Ferenc Liszt" WhisperToMe (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear Colleagues,
I need a help and your advice. The situation is the following: I deal with computerized paleography (see my book Heritage of Scribes in the Google Books at [1]), among these with the Rovas scripts. The term "Rovas" is debated by a few people, who consequently delete any contributions, which contain the term "Rovas". They deleted the citation of the Unicode encoding proposal of the Hungarian Standards Institution even. I am a beginner in the Wikipedia, I do not want to violate any rule here. However, I think I have right to refer to published documents and book. Please, consider the article Szarvas inscription and its talk page. Rovasscript (talk) 06:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Moreover, the Szarvas inscription is marked in October 2011 that the neutrality of the article is disputed. Anybody, who does not agree with the statements of this article can include alternative opinions (e.g. alternative transcription of the Szarvas Rovas relic). However, nobody wrote alternative transcription into the article. In this case I do not understand what is the meaning of this mark. When it will be removed? What is the condition of removing this mark? Rovasscript (talk) 07:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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- The issue is one of English clarity. The English translation of "rovas" is runic. While "rovas" is a Hungarian word and it may be applicable to refer to a Hungarian script as "rovas", the word is certainly inapplicable to a Khazar runic script. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 07:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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- In the English language, there several loan words, which refer to various languages. e.g. Hangul, Tagalog, Hanunoo, Tagbanwa, Limbu, Tai Le, Tai Tham, Ol Chiki, etc. The term Runic is not appropriate to translate the term Rovas, since the Runic refers to the Germanic Runic script and its several subscripts (Ogham, Danish Runic, Gothic Runic, etc.). The term Rovas in fact refers to a category: the well-know Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, the Carpathian Basin Rovas - which is close relative to the Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, and finally, the Khazarian Rovas. It is noteworthy that the first scientist, who deciphered the Carpathian Basin Rovas and the Khazarian Rovas was Gábor Vékony, archaeologist-historical, Assoc. Prof. at the Eötvös Loránd University, Budapest (he passed away in 2004). He consequently referred these scripts in these names. However, other scholars also realized the strong relations among these scripts, including Prof. A. Róna-Tas, Assoc. Prof. K. Sándor, etc. Rovasscript (talk) 07:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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- About the Khazarian Rovas: the relics of the Khazarian Rovas were found not only North of the Caucasus, but also in Homokmégy-Halom (Hungary, near city Kalocsa). This fact shows is that the Hungarians who settled in Hungary at the end of he 9th century - or a part of them - also knew the Khazarian Rovas. Moreover, a part of the Hungarians came in this time was the three tribes of the Khavars (other spelling: Kabars, Kavars), who were rebel Khazars. They also used the Khazarian Rovas, its evidence is the Alsószentmihályfalva Rovas inscription, see related article in the Rovaspedia at [2].Rovasscript (talk) 07:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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- Yea, my mistake, the correct translation for "rovas" in English is "runiform" and not "runic". Agreed that there are several loanwords for the names of various scripts (i.e., kanji), but that does not necessarily mean the word "rovas" is suitable to use in English, especially in reference to Khazar runiform script. For example, Marcel Erdal uses the term "runiform alphabet" when referring to Orkhon script and "runiform inscriptions" when referring to the entire corpus of Eurasian inscriptions (including Khazar) in his English-language "A Grammar of Old Turkic". The names of these Eurasian scripts are not even known, unlike the case with hangul and kanji. If you recall, the Szekely script was called "Vlach letters" by Simon Kezai. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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Rovas city limit signs
I thought I would ask before doing anything. User:Rovosaman (among others?) has been adding "city limit signs" in Rovas script to a number of the Hungarian town/city articles, see Keszthely for an example. A category full of these signs has been created at the commons. It's my understanding that there is often a political element to the use of Rovas script. Is that not correct? I'm not suggesting the script is not based in history, or that it is inherently political, but is there not a political factor in its use by Hungarians? Thanks. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- I took a look. If he created these, what is the educational basis of these? On the commons an image has to have some kind of educational value. Is this a proposed idea of "what it might look like?" WhisperToMe (talk) 08:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
- It turns out such signs do exist: File:Bugac city limit sign rovas script.JPG - So what he could be trying to say is "This is what it would look like" - It may help to ask for Wikipedians across Hungary to photograph the signs too WhisperToMe (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
- They certainly do exist in real life, though I can't say for sure if they exist physically for all the city/town articles in which they appear. A Hungarian article which expresses some of my concern about the political nature of the signs can be found here. I'm not suggesting that anyone putting up these signs is a member of the far right, but that their support is part of a nationalist Hungarian worldview which is inherently political and not NPOV. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
It's not political and should be npov as it is just a celebration of roots, being part of the wider Hungarian society. If you are thinking that the runiform movement is nationalistic then it should stop at ethnic borders, although the ethnic borders and pockets reach into Slovakia, Romania etc. I have seen no evidence of this but I would expect the Szekely's in Romania to signpost in their own script, being rovas. Rovas script is still being used in some places to name homes on a gate's cupola. It's just a cultural trend.Htcs (talk) 13:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Talk:Denes Lukacs
Hello I'd like to inform you and WikiProject Hungary community that a new trend is about to arise that every Hungarian (and non-English) names are to deprived of their accents. Dénes Lukács has been moved back to Denes Lukacs recently and as a result a move request debate has been posted in its talk page. Please participate and express your views on the issue. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 10:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Wow...totally beneath what I would have thought of you. I'm really disappointed at this post. The article was already formed at Denes Lukacs and YOU attempted to move it against Tennis Project policy. It is also not a new trend at all in naming TENNIS PLAYERS ONLY by their sourced ATP, WTA, ITF, Davis Cup or Wimbledon spelling as this is an English Wikipedia and those are excellent tennis player sources. Tennis Project guidelines and consensus have long established this and it's the only names we are concerned with... Tennis Players. Goodness Gracious Lajbi... please try to show a little even-handedness when posting to a large group like Wikiproject Hungary because this violates Canvassing. I hope most thoughtful editors read right through the biased entry. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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- You're personal views on me are not in the scope of WikiProject Hungary I guess. No need to get that mad beacuse of three informal sentence. Answered on Denes Lukacs move debate. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 12:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
As a footnote to this, I noticed in following this discussion that hu:wikipedia already had a substantial article of which I have translated the salient main points. If anyone can add any further sources to the actual military history that would be interesting. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
New article: Rural parliament
I have started a new article which deals with the Hungarian rural parliament, among others. Please review, contribute and expand. Additional quality refs highly welcome.Mais oui! (talk) 04:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hungarian article needs check
I wrote an article about a contemporary Hungarian author Attila Hazai (1967-2012) and I need help to verify it is accurate, since my source, Meghalt Hazai Attila (litera.hu), is not in English, I used Google translate. Any help appreciated to check spellings and any obvious errors of translation. Thanks. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your work. I have read it, it seems correct, though I did not find information in the original litera article about the following claims: (1) he committed suicide (the article just states that he had a tragic and sudden death) and (2) he published under the pseudonym Feri Soros. Where did you find these? KœrteFa {ταλκ} 09:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Honfoglalás
Recently, a new article was created about the period when the Hungarians settled in Central Europe (called "honfoglalás" in Hungarian). Of course, this topic is of high importance for the history of Hungary and so for the WikiProject Hungary. Currently, the article is called "The Hungarian landtaking", but there is a discussion going on whether this should be changed. If you are interested in the suggested variants and the arguments, please, visit: Talk:The_Hungarian_landtaking. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 00:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes. We came in, and take the land of the slavs. We separated the northern and southern slav peoples! We, alone! And we are so sorry now, now they are eliminating the hungarian population on their current area. Hahh! I'm really sorry. I really like the beautiful polish girls, but don't like the girls of our neighbours. They are... enemies. But they are good people, too. As we. I love you all. Please, don't kill us. Not I did it. It was the usual process of the era. Vale! ×××× — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.56.146.50 (talk) 12:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Advice
Hello, I have noticed a recent problem and I ask for an advice from editors that participate in this project.
Recently WP:HU is being added to places (not historical places/context) outside Hungary. For example:
- Târgu Mureș, a city in Romania (recently added WP:HU).
- Komárno, a city in Slovakia (recently added WP:HU).
Since I have`t seen other articles to contain more than 1 WikiProject country I am confused about this inclusion and worried that if we do this, what is stopping us to add WikiProjects country Y all over Slovakia,Hungary or Romania, for example WP:TR (Ottoman Empire), WP:AU ( Austrian Empire ) or even crazier examples like WP:HU to Belgrade or WP:RO to Budapest. Because if we include WP:HU to Komárno what is stopping us to add it in other inappropriate places? According to other examples this is not the practice to 99% of articles, except in special cases ( autonomous province,federal unit, cultural center or similar ). Where exactly should WP:HU be present and is it appropriate to use it outside Hungary when no special case is presented. Thanks in advance and I hope to solve this problem. Greetings.Adrian (talk) 06:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment, Adrian, and I see your issues with this. Of course, these places are not in Hungary so it looks strange to include them in Wikiproject Hungary, you are right about that. On the other hand, I also understand that these towns have significant Hungarian populations and have strong connections to the Hungarian history and culture. I am not sure what the good solution would be. If the Wikiproject would be called "Wikiproject Hungarians", then it was not a problem, I think. I have checked some articles on English Wikipedia whether there are cities, areas, etc., that are listed in multiple Wikiproject countries, but there are not too many. An example I have found is the article about Alsace (a region of France), which is listed in both Wikiproject France and Wikiproject Germany, see: Talk:Alsace. Its capital, Strasbourg, also has the templates of both Wikiprojects (France and Germany), see Talk:Strasbourg. I guess the reasons are similar to our case: Alsace (including Strasbourg) has a significant German-speaking population and it has strong historical and cultural connections to Germany, even though it is in France. But there are not too many other examples, e.g., South Tyrol is only listed in WikiProject Italy. Hence, I am in two minds about this issue and would be happy to hear what the others think. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 07:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Maybe because Aslace is considered a cultural center of Germans in France, I don`t know. On the other hand South Tirol can be considered cultural center for Germans in Italy and it doesn`t have other wikiProjects county. I don`t know. This is really a strange problem and it can cause confusion to many articles. The logic "it can`t hurt, it can only help" I don`t believe to be valid because everybody can join wikiProject Hungary or Romania and participate in the desired pages one way or another. Adrian (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- The project description starts the following: "WikiProject Hungary is a WikiProject whose aim is to increase the quality of articles related to Hungary and Hungarians." A project banner has no territorial claim or whatever, only broaden the coverage of the articles related to the Hungarians. What I don't get why to come up with a completely nonsense example and why not putting the WP RO on Mehkerek or WP SK on Pilisszentkereszt, where it should belong. Since there is no (significant) connection between Hungary and Belgrade, Romania and Budapest, or Russia and Bucharest, the banners are unneccessary there, and I really don't understand that call. Also, if there are enough willingful editors, I would like to improve a bit the project, create task forces (eg. WP Hungary - Diaspora taskforce in this case, but also for sport, arts, history, etc.), so it's all about to building the wikipedia. Gdansk, Szczecin, Poznan, Bydgoszcz, Byalistok, Nice, Minsk, Istanbul all are shared by two projects, Wroclaw and Trieste has even more banners and nobody makes a fuss about it. Belfast has the banner of Ireland and Geography of UK - and not WP Northern Ireland - still everyone is fine about it. It seems there are places in the world where they understand how it goes. If there are places with a significant Hungarian population or connected to the Hungarians in some other way, there the WP HU surely applies, regardless where they are to find today. They won't be less Hungarian-related because a border is drawn here or there. This is what about the project is. Thehoboclown (talk) 10:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- You have found approximately 11 examples...
- Gdańsk - German cultural center and the most special case on Wikipedia
- Byalistok - is a member of WikiProject Russia / History / Human geography, not other country
- Nice - is a member of the Greek project, not sure if this applies in our case because we are not adding WikiProject TR(Ottoman Empire).
- Minsk - is not a member of other country project, but WikiProject Russia / History / Politics and law / Human geography. - Not really the same thing
- Out of 11 examples you provided 7 that are valid(let`s say 8 with Nice). But what about other 10 000 that doesn`t have this? As I said, the logic "it can`t hurt, it can only help" or now "task force to imporove articles" I don`t believe to be valid since all this you can do within WikiProject RO or SK. You can even create this task force within WikiProject RO or SK. If you really wish to improve this articles, you can do that within proper WikiProjects. I would really like to here what other users think about this kind of use of WikiProject HU outside Hungary. Adrian (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- What about talk page of Kingdom of Hungary? The kingdom is member of the Serb, Croat and Hungarian wikiprojects and nobody complains about it. It shares Hungarian, Serb and Croat heritages. Komarno and Targu Mures are the same those have Romanian or Slovak and Hungarian relations (history, tradition, culture etc...).Fakirbakir (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- The project description starts the following: "WikiProject Hungary is a WikiProject whose aim is to increase the quality of articles related to Hungary and Hungarians." A project banner has no territorial claim or whatever, only broaden the coverage of the articles related to the Hungarians. What I don't get why to come up with a completely nonsense example and why not putting the WP RO on Mehkerek or WP SK on Pilisszentkereszt, where it should belong. Since there is no (significant) connection between Hungary and Belgrade, Romania and Budapest, or Russia and Bucharest, the banners are unneccessary there, and I really don't understand that call. Also, if there are enough willingful editors, I would like to improve a bit the project, create task forces (eg. WP Hungary - Diaspora taskforce in this case, but also for sport, arts, history, etc.), so it's all about to building the wikipedia. Gdansk, Szczecin, Poznan, Bydgoszcz, Byalistok, Nice, Minsk, Istanbul all are shared by two projects, Wroclaw and Trieste has even more banners and nobody makes a fuss about it. Belfast has the banner of Ireland and Geography of UK - and not WP Northern Ireland - still everyone is fine about it. It seems there are places in the world where they understand how it goes. If there are places with a significant Hungarian population or connected to the Hungarians in some other way, there the WP HU surely applies, regardless where they are to find today. They won't be less Hungarian-related because a border is drawn here or there. This is what about the project is. Thehoboclown (talk) 10:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Maybe because Aslace is considered a cultural center of Germans in France, I don`t know. On the other hand South Tirol can be considered cultural center for Germans in Italy and it doesn`t have other wikiProjects county. I don`t know. This is really a strange problem and it can cause confusion to many articles. The logic "it can`t hurt, it can only help" I don`t believe to be valid because everybody can join wikiProject Hungary or Romania and participate in the desired pages one way or another. Adrian (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
But Kingdom of Hungary is a historical subject, a political entity, not a city,town or similar. I have nothing against adding other wiki projcets to a historical subject. I am talking about present time , places outside Hungary.Adrian (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- There are some other comments about this case Talk:Târgu_Mureș#Wiki_project_Hungary. Fakirbakir (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I really don`t "buy" this why should we add wiki project HU as a reason to help improve articles because we already have wiki projects present there in which any member of wikipedia can join and participate, create a task force, or whatever he wants. And if it "can`t hurt it, it can only help" we could add other projects to many pages(Even Belgrade,Budapest,Bucharest) for no apparent reason, other than "it can`t hurt it". Or after all to join WikiProject Eastern Europe(that specially cover Hungary,Romania and Slovakia articles),WikiProject Cities or WikiProject Geography that already connect all this places. This is why projects like WikiProject Eastern Europe exists, to avoid putting other`s countries projects outside it`s country and to avoid this kind of problems. Many editors don`t even use wikiProjects, many of us use watchlists and that`s it. And not to mention that there is nothing stopping us to improve this articles even without any wikiProject at all.Adrian (talk) 08:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Invitation
Dear Hungarian Wikipedians, Project Members,
As you might also experienced, currently the WikiProject Hungary is quite down with only a very limited active users. However, I'd like to add some new impulse to it, so I would like to invite you to take a look at this proposal, share your opinion and join a task force if you think you might be interested in it. If there are five or more applicants for a task force, it can be set up and by a cooperation of dedicated users we can further develop the task force related articles – at least give a boost to this small part of the project –, the task force itself and by so probably the whole WikiProject Hungary as well.
I've also created a draft for one of the topic I might improve and for what I'm ready to spend my time. If you are also interested in it, I would be glad to see you there.
If you have questions, ideas or thoughts you can add them on the talkpage of the proposal, here or you can contact me directly on my talk page. Your words are very welcomed!
Regards,
Thehoboclown (talk) 08:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- The newly proposed project Hungarian diaspora task force draft as a project has no sense and I don`t see it`s meaning as long as [WikiProcejt Eastern Europe] exists and where a greater number of editors may participate that explicitly covers nations of Eastern Europe where WikiProject HU (Hungarians) are associated. WikiProject Eastern Europe is created with the scope to avoid this kind of problems coming from one side only(whoever that side might be) and unite all editors that are interested in participating under a neutral banner. If you would use your energy within already existing project you would helped a lot more than inventing new no-purpose projects that are already covered by others. All this in mind (if this project comes to life), I oppose for addition of this projects to any pages on wikipedia. Adrian (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Like Thehoboclown, I also think that currently WikiProject Hungary is quite down with just a few active editors. His efforts to mobilize editors are most welcome and I hope that this will help to coordinate the improvement of many related articles. Regarding the idea of a "Hungarian diaspora task force": basically, I think that it is a good idea, but a special care is needed, since it is a sensitive issue. I know that there is a Wiki project called "Eastern Europe", but (a) it is too general and, moreover, (b) Hungary is in Central Europe (not only in the geographical, but also in the cultural and historical senses of the word). Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 07:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- I was also surprised to find WikiProject Hu under Eastern Europe(for the reasons you already mentioned) but nevertheless it is there, along with WikiProject SK and RO where the majority of the Hungarian population live outside Hungary and the most important thing, editors can join this already existing project and edit this subject under a neutral banner.Adrian (talk) 09:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Like Thehoboclown, I also think that currently WikiProject Hungary is quite down with just a few active editors. His efforts to mobilize editors are most welcome and I hope that this will help to coordinate the improvement of many related articles. Regarding the idea of a "Hungarian diaspora task force": basically, I think that it is a good idea, but a special care is needed, since it is a sensitive issue. I know that there is a Wiki project called "Eastern Europe", but (a) it is too general and, moreover, (b) Hungary is in Central Europe (not only in the geographical, but also in the cultural and historical senses of the word). Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 07:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Also if we take a look other examples, (Yugoslavia), many editors from this countries are members of all projects of current countries, (Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro,Macedonia,Serbia) and as that they improve this articles. Ex: User:Peacemaker67. He is a member of all this projects. Why can`t others be a member to Project HU,SK,RO and SR? As we can see here, there is a connection between Yugoslavia and Hungary in the demographic sense (Diaspora). Why can`t Thehoboclown be a member of all this projects and like that contribute? Other users simply join projects they are related to and that`s it. As I said, I really don`t buy this project usability nor validity since there are several other ways to do this without creating any problems at all. Not to mention that this is one of the unique project diaspora as other countries doesn`t have them.Adrian (talk) 12:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
page of Zeman (nobleman)
I would like to ask your opinions in connection with this topic. There is a dispute about merging. See: Talk:Zeman_(nobleman)#Merge
Thank you in advance! Fakirbakir (talk) 13:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Is the footballer more notable?
Would someone mind casting an eye at two BLP stubs:
MOS states "consistent with related article titles", but apart from that, is the footballer really more notable? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
- Taking that the footballer has been playing since 7 years on professional level, was capped for Hungary in younger age categories (U19, U20, U21), while the tennis player's only notable events are a few Davis cup matches, well, I would say that for me the footballer is more notable. However, I have to add that expanding both of them to a decent level (at least what can be called decent by these figures who are not really well covered in the media) might give a better look on their achievements, results and notabily. There can be a lot of things that are missing from both of the articles and what would result comletely different opinions if they were added. — Thehoboclown (talk) 10:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
ő → ö
I'm wondering if there's a time lag between a Requested Move and it showing up on Article Alerts on the project home page, because as yet there's no sign of Requested move: Talk:Paul Erdős → Paul Erdös ? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?. Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Kovács Erzsi
Hello,
the main contributor of Kovács Erzsi has a conflict of interest and writes in biased, poor English. Kovacs is clearly notable but the article needs a clean-up. Perhaps members of this Wikiproject can help rebuilding or expanding this article. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 16:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I added some data from Hungarian Wikipedia ( Brtkr (talk) ). —Preceding undated comment added 17:51, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I translated a few sentences from the corresponding article in Hungarian Wikipedia, as this article was completely impossible to understand even for those who are familiar with the mistakes Hungarian speakers typically make in English. I'm surprised that obvious machine translations aren't PRODded here as they are in other wikis. – Alensha talk 22:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
enyedi gyorgy (geografus) halala: 2 pontositas
Jo estet kivanok!
szocikk: enyedi gyorgy utolso forras helyesen: mta.hu 2012 szeptember 11
szocikk: enyedi ildiko csalad: a papa mar nem el. 2012-ben halt meg.
udv 72.83.68.213 (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
History of Vojvodina article
G'day, can I ask a member of the project to assess and rate History of Vojvodina in your project banner on the talk page? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Gyula J. Obádovics
Someone here might be interested in commenting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyula J. Obádovics. Sławomir Biały (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Expatriate tagged with WikiProject Hungary
Hi there and greetings from Norway, I took the liberty on archiving some old stuff, I hope that's okei. The reason I came here, is that I've noticied that some Norwegian expatriate sportspeople in Hungary, e.g. Liban Abdi, Katrine Lunde Haraldsen and Heidi Løke has been tagged with the WikiProject Hungary-banner on their talkpage. This has been done by a bot, after a request to tag every page in Category:Sport in Hungary. While that is a great initiative, I don't think Category:Expatriate footballers in Hungary or any other expatriate in Hungary should be tagged by the Hungary-project. I asked the owner of the bot if he could remove the project-tags from Category:Expatriate footballers in Hungary, but I haven't got any reply, so I'm wondering if I have this projects blessing to remove talk-page banner from expatriates in Hungary on sight? Mentoz86 (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hello!
- Since it was me who requested the tagging on behalf of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hungary/Sports and games task force, I think it's also well my duty to answer this one. First of all thanks for drawing the attention on this stuff. Of course expatriate sportspeople were not mean to be tagged thus feel free to remove the banners (by full precaution ofc). I'm joining you in this as well. If you have the time and will, you can also check the articles list on the task force page and remove the banners from those who don't belong there. If you run into things like this in the future, don't be shy to drop a line to the task force talk page or me personally. I'd really welcome it! Greets, Thehoboclown (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
deletion
Kedves projekt tagok: a véleményetek kellene ehhez a törléshez. Szeretném hangsúlyozni, hogy több ízben volt erről már vita még a magyar wikin is. Most is vannak források a személy nevezetességére, személyszerint a törlés csak egy önös akció, semmi több. Nem reklámot akarok csinálni, de sajnos ezen az oldalon millárdnyi információ fut, ezért vhogy rá kell irányítani a figyelmet. Doncsecztalk 14:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Greater Hungary vs. Hungarian revisionism
I would like to ask for your opinions here: Talk:Greater_Hungary_(political_concept)#Requested_move Fakirbakir (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Helicopters
Hello all,
Could anybody help with the Hungarian Air Force article? Some editors are changing numbers of helicopters back and forth. There are a couple of sources which are not particularly high-quality and which might be misleading or out of date. We can be confident that the air force got lots of helicopters in the past, but in the last few years some will have been put in a museum, dismantled for parts, sold, &c - so it's difficult to be confident of exact numbers now. (And if we can't trust a number, I think we should remove it from the article; others seem to disagree). Any suggestions? Can anybody get better or more recent sources?
Köszönöm - bobrayner (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Ethnic map of Hungary
There is a deletion request on wikicommon about a Hungarian ethnic map. Could you tell your opinion there? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ethnic_map_of_11th_century.jpgFakirbakir (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Mózes_Székely
Horribly written article, it has to be reviewed TheDacian (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
RFC at Talk:History of Vojvodina
Your attention is drawn to Talk:History_of_Vojvodina#Request_For_Comment_re:_WikiProject_Banners_on_this_page. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Regency 1918-
I wish to participate in Project Hungary. At present I am concerned about a regency following the reign of Karl IV. It appears in the articles that Karl IV approved of having Mihaly Karolyi follow Karl but as prime minister. Subsequent events indicate that a resignation from Karl had not become final. It seems that Karolyi was quite well intentioned and that many of his wishes were subverted unfairly. Karolyi did not seem to be interested in dumping the Habsburgs and I fail to see why Karl von Habsburg was beng treated as an enemy by some. Opposition against the Habsburgs can help justify the North German Confederation and the Kaiserreich and I do not believe that they deserve to be justified. RCNesland (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- You are, of course, welcome to participate in the project. You are also welcome to update any article which you think needs refinement. However, be sure to cite verifiable, reliable (e.g., academic) sources, since the contents of Wikipedia must be verifiable. Unfortunately, I cannot help you regarding your observation about Mihály Károlyi, but as long as there are considerable number of reliable sources which support your argument, please, go ahead with the changes. Your contributions are appreciated. Thanks and happy editing, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 21:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
János Esterházy
His page does not demonstrate the Hungarian viewpoint properly. The article needs serious improvement. Fakirbakir (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I plan to continue contributing to that article, but quite busy at the moment. Hence, some help would indeed be appreciated, in order to ensure the balance of that article. Dr. Szent-Ivány's book about János Esterházy is freely available [3] and could be a possible source to use. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 19:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer (and for your link) :)! Fakirbakir (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- In this case, I will follow standard rules for questionable sources declaring extreme opinions and with poor verification of facts. I assume, there will not be any problem with this. Especially in regard to extreme opinions like "It has been the aim of all Czech political parties, government and exile groups to dominate Slovakia and to assimilate the Slovak people" (here) or "Not only has Slovakia been exploited economically and socially, but the Czechs have been doing everything possible to prevent Slovakia from culturally progressing at a normal pace." (here), or "Only a few Slovaks [...] took part in the uprising" (here) or "facts" like "The Slovak Peoples Party [...] embraced some 80 percent of the Slovak people (here) and many other extreme opinions and factual mistakes.--Ditinili (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- In *this* case? Which case? Anyway, you are very welcome if you take time to double-check those claims which are added to the article. This has the potential of serving as an excellent quality control. On the other hand, I do not think that you are right when you called Dr. Szent-Ivány's opinion extreme and talked about poor verification of facts (please, also see my answer on the Talk page of the article). However, if you think that his book is not reliable and should not be used on WP then, by all means, raise the issue on WP:RSN. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 17:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- In the case of *this* book. Koertefa, I quoted several sentences. I believe that it will be quite easy to reach wide consensus that these options are strongly biased, extreme and more, they are clear lies. I will be especially interested on opinion of Czech editors who will blow away these theories in minute, just by documenting how many Slovak schools and cultural institutions were built only during the first 20 years of Czechoslovakia. And if we agree that this is shining example of extreme and biased source, there is no rational reason why to use such (at least) controvert source instead of some other reliable books.-Ditinili (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- In *this* case? Which case? Anyway, you are very welcome if you take time to double-check those claims which are added to the article. This has the potential of serving as an excellent quality control. On the other hand, I do not think that you are right when you called Dr. Szent-Ivány's opinion extreme and talked about poor verification of facts (please, also see my answer on the Talk page of the article). However, if you think that his book is not reliable and should not be used on WP then, by all means, raise the issue on WP:RSN. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 17:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- In this case, I will follow standard rules for questionable sources declaring extreme opinions and with poor verification of facts. I assume, there will not be any problem with this. Especially in regard to extreme opinions like "It has been the aim of all Czech political parties, government and exile groups to dominate Slovakia and to assimilate the Slovak people" (here) or "Not only has Slovakia been exploited economically and socially, but the Czechs have been doing everything possible to prevent Slovakia from culturally progressing at a normal pace." (here), or "Only a few Slovaks [...] took part in the uprising" (here) or "facts" like "The Slovak Peoples Party [...] embraced some 80 percent of the Slovak people (here) and many other extreme opinions and factual mistakes.--Ditinili (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer (and for your link) :)! Fakirbakir (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG
File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately we can not use this picture without permission. Fakirbakir (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hungarophobia
Article of Hungarophobia has been recreated recently. Unfortunately a lot of text has been deleted because of POV issues. Now, the article looks like a mess. Please help to improve it. Thank you! Fakirbakir (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Military history of Hungary
This article is incoherent, chaotic and exceptionally badly written.Fakirbakir (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
WP Hungary article
FYI Ágnes Szávay diff latest nuisance after WP:TENNISNAMES2. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526)
A proposal for size splitting of the above article has been made. All comments are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 06:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg
image:Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Radó von Kövesligethy
Another editor created Radó von Kövesligethy. An article exists in the Hungarian Wikipedia at hu:Kövesligethy Radó. I tried to improve the English article, but I don't speak Hungarian, and I don't know whether the surname should be shown as von Kövesligethy' or just as Kövesligethy. I would appreciate it if someone could look at the article and improve it. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory for a GA
I am now improving this article for a GA. Any comments and assistance would be much welcome! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Hungarian language
There are two threads on the Talk page of the Hungarian language article about which I would like to ask your opinions. The first one is about the number of native speakers, while the second one is about the question whether the classification that Hungarian belongs to the Finno-Ugric group should appear (or only the statement that it is an Uralic language). Related to this, you may also want to check these comments. Thanks and cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 13:42, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia article:
Please advise!
Thank you.
Oulipo Oui (talk) 02:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Actors with Hungarian Descent
There are a few categories for actors with Hungarian descent which are being proposed for deletion or merging. If you have an opinion, for or against, please weigh in at:
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 3#Actors of Hungarian descent
Liz Read! Talk! 14:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Wooden Belfry of Nyírbátor
Dear Hungary experts: This article, which as been submitted for review at Afc, refers back to an article in the Hungary Wikipedia, https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ny%C3%ADrb%C3%A1tori_reform%C3%A1tus_templom. When I copy the first line of the Hungarian article into Google, it comes up with multiple web sites with the same text, but I can't read them. Before reviewing the English one, I'd like to make sure that the Hungarian one is not a copyright violation, or, if so, that the English one is not a direct translation. Can someone who speaks the language help? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- At first look I would say there is no copyright violation. Actually the source of those mentioned websites seems to be the Hungarian Wikipedia. One of them even cites its source (at "Nyírbátori református templom" [4]). These websites [5] are simple travel and tourism websites. The English text is dissimilar from the Hungarian content (therefore not a direct translation). Fakirbakir (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, that helps a lot. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Requested article: Hungarian Civil War (1384–1394)
A red link from Greater Poland Civil War which I just created. We have the Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384), so it would be nice to complete the series of articles on the chaos in that time and place with the missing Hungarian war. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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- Dear Piotrus, I think that article would not be created based on reliable sources. There were a series of internal conflicts, but they could not be grouped into a civil war. Borsoka (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hungarian historiography does not refer as "civil war" to these events. Hungarian Civil War (1440–1445), Hungarian Civil War (1526–1538) have similar problem. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- How does the Hungarian historiography refers to those events then? I don't think this is the term used in English literature, neither, so this red link probably needs to be removed... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- As far as I know there are no separate umbrella terms for these events. Maybe trónharcok ("fights for the throne") is used, but I had to cheque it. Borsoka (talk) 03:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- It would be nice to know. List of wars involving Hungary has an entry for "Civil war between a part of the Hungarian nobility and Mary, Queen of Hungary and Sigismund king", so something probably should be linked from there (one of the reasons I've created the mentioned Polish civil war article was to have something linked from the similar entry at the List of wars involving Poland). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I found this: Horváti-párt lázadása, "Horvat Rebellion" (Horvat or Horváti was az influential noble family, see John Horvat and Paul Horvat), however this is only a short part of that conflict between Sigismund and the nobility. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- It would be nice to know. List of wars involving Hungary has an entry for "Civil war between a part of the Hungarian nobility and Mary, Queen of Hungary and Sigismund king", so something probably should be linked from there (one of the reasons I've created the mentioned Polish civil war article was to have something linked from the similar entry at the List of wars involving Poland). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Kalyi Jag
I started an article about Kalyi Jag (music group). It would be nice if someone who can read Hungarian would expand and if needed correct the article. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin
The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
New article and move: Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos?
If possible, some opinions on the talk page of this new article would help, concerning a move from Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos. Thanks, M∧Ŝc2ħεИτlk 06:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
viktatúra / Victatorship
Hi there!
I've attempted to add an article to clarify the new upcoming term "Viktatúra" - "Victatorship", but my post was immediately deleted by user "Pagony".
Since I was simply notified that my article would be vandalism, due to being useless, pointless ("értelmetlen"), I've attempted to clarify if the issue at hand was related to thematics or style. Unfortunately, the reply received, "Encyclopedy, wikipedia is." failed to answer my query. Without taking a path to an argument with user Pagony, I hoped the community could clarify why the term "victatorship" would be, if at all, unacceptable in Wikipedia. I did remind user above that there are many terms in the Hungarian, as well as in the English language that derived from merging other terms or referring to leaders with significance. ie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism etc similarly as the term mentioned above: refers to the institutional system applied and practised by the Hungarian government, led by Viktor Orban. I do not think, I, or either of us are here to judge the rightfulness of the act or even the meaning of the term, all we ought to do, is to present objectively and describe what it means, potentially, with appropriate reasoning.
I do realise, that my article needs further work, and that is the main reason I also rely on the wikipedia community to add details and work on the article, however that is subject to appearing at least.
Now referring to all mentioned above, please, do let me know, if I'm lost here, and do not hesitate to clarify if I am misunderstanding something.
many thanks
PA (talk) 16:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
List of rulers of Hungary
I would like to ask for your votes: Talk:List of rulers of Hungary#Requested move. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Elizabeth of Bosnia FAC
Last month I nominated the article about the Hungarian queen Elizabeth of Bosnia for FA status, but it has not attracted enough reviewers yet. Elizabeth, who ended up losing her head, governed Hungary during one of the most unstable periods in its history - unstable mostly because she and the monarch for whom she ruled were women. The article (rated GA) is of great interest to WikiProject Hungary, and I would be very grateful if a member of this WikiProject commented on the nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Subdivisions of Hungary
More input needed at Talk:Subdivisions of Hungary#Requested_move, where there s a debate between only 2 editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Hungarian names
Sorry is there a specific WP:Naming conventions (Hungary) or WP:Hungarian names somewhere? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Ugh. The question goes deeper, there seems to be some kind of Hungarian-Slovak edit war going on behind Talk:Sámuel Mikoviny. Can someone please help finding the relevant MOS guideline. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hungarian Turanism
Hungarian Turanism ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) could use some eyes, see the comments on the talk page (and indeed on my talk page). Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- The edit-warring at this article is reaching farcical proportions. It is tagged as of interest to this project. Could we see a bit of 'interest' please? RashersTierney (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Hungarians in Serbia
Hello!
Here is this recently created article, which is a clear duplication of the Hungarians in Vojvodina article. I've suggested to merge it into the well-developed main article. Your opinion is welcomed. — Thehoboclown (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Magyaro Airlines - hoax?
Can someone verify this? I cannot find anything by Googling for [" Magyaro Airlines" -wikipedia], including the company's webpage ([6]). If this is not a hoax, this looks like a very suspicious company... and one that may have trouble passing WP:CORP. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- It seems to be a hoax. I have found nothing about this "company". Fakirbakir (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Agree, hoax. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Rába (company)
Article of Raba would need serious improvement. Actually the topic of the Hungarian automotive industry is mostly missing from English Wikipedia (IMO). Fakirbakir (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Two lists
Why are there two separate lists? According to the second article, "The borders of Hungary have changed substantially in the past century." The borders of Poland/Russia (Russian Empire, Soviet Russia, Soviet Union, Russian Federation) also changed "substantially in the past century", but there is no a separate article, named "List of Polish/Russian people who were born outside present-day [borders of] Poland/Russia." This is absurd, i think we sould merge them.--Rovibroni (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- That is a good point. Fakirbakir (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located here.
All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. MER-C 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- I should add that many of the copyright violations in this case result from direct translations of non-free Hungarian-language sources into English. In order to identify these problems (of which there could be as many as 1500) we're in great need of editors with proficiency in both Hungarian and English. If you can read Hungarian, please consider volunteering some time at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 and Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 2 to check some articles. Instructions are given at the top of the former page, though of course feel free to ask on the talk page if you have any questions about the procedure. Thanks! —Psychonaut (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Who decides what counts as "direct translation"? "Direct translation" is a non-existent thing because English and Hungarian are entirely different languages (IMHO, I am not a linguist)....Fakirbakir (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- When a work is translated, the copyright of the original persists in the translation. Thus, whenever freely licensed text is translated into English here, we are required to respect the terms of the licence (such as giving due credit), and whenever non-free text is translated, it needs to be removed as a copyright violation. See Derivative work, Wikipedia:Translation, and Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Translating for further details.
- Admittedly, it is not always apparent whether a given text is a translation of a foreign-language original, or simply relies on it as a reference. In such cases many of the guides and principles from Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing can be applied or adapted to assess the text.
- The translations involved in this contributor copyright investigation, however, are very clear-cut: entire documents have been slavishly translated sentence by sentence, with practically no edition whatsoever. That is, material is almost never omitted, reordered, or synthesized with facts from other sources; all the facts and arguments, and their order of presentation, are faithfully preserved in every respect except the language of communication. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Do we know that those CVs published on the website of the Parliament are protected? Are we sure that the transformation of CVs into biographies qualifies as an infridgement of the copyright? Borsoka (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- To answer your first question: Every modern text is presumptively copyrighted with all rights reserved from the moment of creation, so any time we wish to use third-party text on Wikipedia the onus is on us to show otherwise. In this case the contributor hasn't provided any evidence that the text was freely licensed or in the public domain, despite multiple requests which have been left unanswered for two weeks. I (and presumably User:MER-C and other administrators involved in this case) tried to independently confirm whether the text might be freely licensed or in the public domain by consulting the source website and the applicable laws of concerning government publications. There was no indication on the parlament.hu website that the MP biographies are free content, and while Hungarian law does provide that certain government publications are not subject to copyright, this appears to apply only to legal promulgations such as legislation and court rulings. (In any case, at least some of biographies look to be provided by the MPs themselves in a personal capacity.) If you are able to provide evidence that the biographies in question are free content, then please do so, as this will resolve a number of the cases without us having to delete any content. (Note, however, that this won't solve all the cases, as there are many others where substantial amounts of English text have been copied verbatim, with neither permission nor attribution.)
- To answer your second question: "Transformation" of CVs into biographies may or may not constitute copyright infringement; it depends entirely on the nature and extent of the transformation. There is nothing wrong with taking a CV in one language and using the facts it contains to produce a biography in another language. Again, the cases we are seeing here are superficial, with large blocks of prose taken from Hungarian CVs and translated sentence by sentence into equivalent prose in English. That is, it's not just the facts which are being copied but also the manner and order in which they're presented, modulo the change in language. Again, our article on derivative works is useful here and covers translation. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Do we know that those CVs published on the website of the Parliament are protected? Are we sure that the transformation of CVs into biographies qualifies as an infridgement of the copyright? Borsoka (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Who decides what counts as "direct translation"? "Direct translation" is a non-existent thing because English and Hungarian are entirely different languages (IMHO, I am not a linguist)....Fakirbakir (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Merge
I propose that List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary be merged into List of Hungarians. See: [7]. --Rovibroni (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Peer review: Hunyadi family
Comments and suggestions would be appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 05:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Romania (political concept)
Would you please tell us your opinion on this matter? All comments are welcome.Fakirbakir (talk) 08:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Request for move
Editors are invited to express their opinions at Talk:Greater_Hungary_(political_concept)#Requested_move_.282.29 Avpop (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!
Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!Regards, Emoke Abasari — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.239.111 (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
It's true, so deleted. --Rakás (talk) 12:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Europe may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
AfC submission - 09/06
Draft:Dömötör Tower. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- The article already existed at Dömötör Tower. I've fixed it up, but if anyone has anything else to add (like good English language references), it would certainly help. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Leaflet For Wikiproject Hungary At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,
My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.
One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.
This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:
• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film
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Adikhajuria (talk) 14:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Monarch categorization
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was separate into sub-categories. (I will use a bot to move all the contents and then tidy up afterwards.) – Fayenatic London 21:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Should articles in Category:Hungarian monarchs be separated into Category:Kings of Hungary, Category:Queens regnant of Hungary, and other subcategories to bring them in line with France and the British Isles? Chris Troutman (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- The proposal is mine, but Chris Troutman has suggested on my talk page that this change could be opportune. I created the category Category:Kings of Hungary while having the pattern Category:Kings of France. The supercategory is Category:European kings. I also created Category:Queens regnant of Hungary which is a subcat of Category:Queens regnant (similarly to Category:Queens regnant in the British Isles).
- Besides the above indicated subcategories, Category:Magyar tribal chieftains and Category:Grand Princes of the Hungarians (not created yet) should also be included in Category:Hungarian monarchs.
- I'd like to invite User:Borsoka, User:Fakirbakir and User:Koertefa to this discussion PersecutedUser (talk) 05:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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Andras Schiff
Dear Fellows I shortened the article about Andras Schiff. Two readers, TDH3 and DavidCane deleted my revision.
"(cur | prev) 14:40, 24 June 2014 Musicus2 (talk | contribs) . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037) . . ("The goal of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedic information source adhering to a NEUTRAL point of view", "It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that material posted on Wikipedia is not DEFAMATORY".) (undo) (cur | prev) 21:32, 24 June 2014 THD3 (talk | contribs) . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037) . . (Undid revision 614233939 by Musicus2 (talk) There was nothing defamatory and Wikipedia is not censored.) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 23:07, 27 June 2014 Musicus2 (talk | contribs) . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037) . . (Undid revision 614279585 by THD3 (talk) I undid your revision: Biography: 26 lines, Awards: 14 lines, Political views 20 (!) lines. I shortened this, 4 lines is enough! See Adam Fischer.) (undo) (cur | prev) 14:03, 28 June 2014 DavidCane (talk | contribs) . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037) . . (Undid revision 614696545 by Musicus2 (talk) - please don't remove valid information or sign your edits on the page) (undo | thank)
I join you my private letter to Mr Cane.
Dear Mr Cane I shortened the article about 'Andras Schiff' because his political views were detailed too longish. Schiff is not a politician, he is one of the greatest living pianists of the world. The proportions of the article before my action were the following: biography: 26 lines, awards: 14 lines, political views 20 (!) lines. Is this all right? I think not. I shortened the section "political views" to 4 lines without changing its essence. I wrote the similar letter to THD3. Maybe, all the information I deleted are valid, but unnecessary. He is 60 now and the shortened section concern to his last 3 years (on 16 lines!). Please read the article about Adam Fischer conductor whose political views are the same as Schiff's. His political views are detailed in 4 lines. If you agree, please restore my modification. If not, I give you gladly more informations about this story. Best wishes Istvan Kassai pianist kassaipiano@gmail.com kassai-istvan.hu
I ask you to restore my revision, please. Please feedback my letter to my mail address above. Kindest regards István Kassai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicus2 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Occupation of Southern Slovakia
Hello!
I've just raised some issues on the talk page of the Occupation of Southern Slovakia article. I'd be happy if you could share your views and help to solve the issues. Thank you! – Thehoboclown (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- There is an ongoing discussion about it here: Talk:First Vienna Award#Life in the annexed territory -.3E New article Fakirbakir (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Peer review/Matthias Corvinus/archive1
Any comments, suggestions are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 07:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
FAC:Stephen I of Hungary
Could anyone assist in fixing this problem? I had no literature on this specific topic (St Stephen in arts). Előre is köszönet. Borsoka (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- St. Stephen in the Hungarian poetry, perhaps useful. Otherwise the section's second paragraph is well-sourced, there is no need to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.162.141 (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Gyula Gömbös Edits POV/Anti-Semitic?
I'm concerned about edits made to Gyula Gömbös by 78.92.108.24. I'm no expert on Gömbös and both sources are in Hungarian which I don't read, but these edits have the subtle appearance of being a POV defense or whitewashing of Gömbös. I even find some of the edits subtly anti-Semitic in themselves. The fact that these are the only edits made by an editor with no username or profile makes me even more suspicious.
Here are the quotes pertaining to Jews.
"Gömbös also supported certain political actions against Hungary’s Jews, having noted that Kun and many of the ministers in his Communist government were Jews. There was widespread sentiment in the country that the Jews were the primary backers of Communism."
"The Jewish leadership under Stem and Szanto supported the appointment of Gömbös and his programs in exchange for Gömbös promising not to enact any anti-Jewish laws and through his policies does not cause economic harm to the Jews. Gömbös kept his promise, and did not enact any anti-Jewish laws and his economic programs were favorable to the mercantile interests."
I'm afraid I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, but I at least wanted to call attention to these concerns.Hirschjoshua (talk) 03:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
The National Bank of Hungary changed its name and logo
Dear Editors,
I came across the page of Hungarian National Bank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_National_Bank). The bank has changed its English name and logo after the recent (1st October 2013) merger with the Hungarian Financial Supervisory Authority. The new name according to its own website (http://english.mnb.hu/) is "The Central Bank of Hungary". Shouldn't be the page renamed accordingly?
Regards, Ariel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariel.hartung (talk • contribs) 09:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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"Hungarian Improved"
FYI, the usage of "Hungarian Improved" is up for discussion, see Talk:Dutch Landrace -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 06:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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This is a notice about Category:Hungary articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes
Views welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes - a 1930s actress with several seemingly significant roles. however the article is largely unsourced - anyone have a view on Szepes' significance to Hungarian cinema? -- Euryalus (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Article on a Hungarian rail line proposed for deletion
Copied from WT:TWP
Nyiregyháza-Záhony railway is unreferenced and in poor English. Can anyone supply sources and fix it up? Mjroots (talk) 06:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Márton-nap
Ha a közelgő ünnep alkalmából valakinek kedve támadna kiegészíteni a St. Martin's Day cikket magyar vonatkozásokal, annak ajánlom figyelmébe a nemrég megírt hu:Márton-napi népszokásokat. --Rlevente (talk) 16:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Help needed
Could anyone tell me if there is a Hungarian article equivalent for Battle of Zlatica? Uhlan talk 21:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
No equivalent for. --Rakás (talk) 13:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Help and new member
Hi. I would like to be a new member of the Wikiproject Hungary. I am new here and I also need some help how to create picture etc. Thank you very much your help. I speak Hungarian and English. User : Benlovas
Notability check at Draft:Erno Polgar
This draft has lingered in the AFC queue; can anyone take a look and either use the AFC tools to accept or deny it, or if you prefer just type a comment at the top (it's a draft, it's fine) letting later reviewers know your expert opinion as to whether this article should publish? I can't read Hungarian so note sure what to make of this guy's Notability. Link: Draft:Erno Polgar. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Erno Polgar hungarian writer is a nobility person, famous jewish writer. Peter Weisz President https://www.facebook.com/BimaBarankovicsIzraelitaMuhely
BIMA Jewish Workshop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Erno Polgar is a famous contemporary person and writer, the article about him can publish. Dr. Aldref Schöner rector of the Jewish University (Budapest)
http://hegedus.bzsh.hu/web/index.php/magunkrol/koerzetuenk-mveszei.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Erno Polgar excellent person and writer in Hungary" M/S Piroska Keri President of the Belletrist Association http://www.szepiroktarsasaga.hu/tagjaink/Polgár_Ernô — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC) Erno Polgar is a famous writer in Hungary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimarta47 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC) Erno Polgar is a well-know man, writer...the article about him is all right, please your kind helps and to publish it!188.143.109.56 (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC) Szász Kati Erno Polgar is a Notability person, writer, he has written many excellent books.08.12.2014.Jávorszky Edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.33.150 (talk) 08:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Ernő Polgár is a well known writer in Hungary - has received for his anti racist principles - the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award 2014. The readers can find the different manifestations of the anti-Semitism in his works. Ernő Polgar's philosophy is, “the measure of the civilization are the respect for ancestors and humanism.” Tamas Barat President of the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award Foundation User:TomBarat
Ernő Polgar a broad-minded unbiased writer, he does not say more than he thinks.
He does not fake it and try to make it appear, to himself or the reader, that there is a coherent and probable whole when there isn't, has new insights.He is natural skeptics and think of things from their reader’s point of view.He strives to explain, to make things a little bit clearer, to make sense of our world and tells a full story,roots out opposing viewpoints.
Adrienne Vadon (Vienna, Austria) https://www.xing.com/profile/Adrienne_Vadon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Peer review: Hungarian prehistory
All comments here would be appreciated. Thank you, Borsoka (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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Stephen I of Hungary
The "Artistic representation" part of the article is still contains unreferenced text. I am not an expert in this field, but the fact that no references to reliable sources have been added for several years to this part of the article suggests that that part is not notable. During the second FAC, this issue has again raised. I suggest that that part of the article should be deleted if we cannot find proper references before the end of the FAC. Borsoka (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Nyíregyháza
Please see Talk:Nyíregyháza#Religions, Churches. There are problems with the English, and not just in that section.
I don't know Hungarian, but I'm interested in this article because my grandfather on my father's side was said to have come from a small town near Nyíregyháza, before WWI. To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. --Thnidu (talk) 08:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Seeking for comments
Has anybody heard of the independent County of Csesznek and of the hereditary Wildgraves of Bakony? I think the two articles should be deleted, because they contain OR and speculation. Borsoka (talk) 05:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Szeklerland / More opinions needed
Could you tell your opinion about this matter? [8] Thank You! Fakirbakir (talk) 07:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Article request: Ottó Herman
Ottó Herman, Hungarian naturalist, archaeologist, and politician, currently lacks an article on English Wikipedia, although he has articles on several non-English Wikis, and a Featured Article on Hungarian Wikipedia: see Herman Ottó. It appears most of the biographical sources are in Hungarian, so if someone fluent enough to translate could at least make half as good an article, it would be a great contribution to English Wikipedia (I really want to read it!). Note we have already have Ottó Herman Museum, and a nicely curated Commons category at Commons:Category:Ottó Herman. I don't speak or read a bit of Hungarian, but I'd be willing to help find sources. All the best, --Animalparty-- (talk) 04:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- Update: I've found a few English articles to start a stub, but it still appears the bulk of authoritative source material is in Hungarian. All are welcome to contribute! --Animalparty-- (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Wildgraves of Bakony
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The article Wildgraves of Bakony has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- There is no reliable source for the very existence of this hereditary title of Hungarian nobility.
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Proposed deletion of County of Csesznek and Milvány
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genus vs gens
I may have been over-hasty. Unfamiliar with Hungary, I happened upon one article that confused the Latin words genus (pl. genera) and gens (pl. gentes), and 'corrected' it. Then looking at its category I see there are dozens of Hungarian "genera". Please advise: is genus standard usage for a Hungarian analogue of Roman gens? —Tamfang (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)