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I recently had an encounter with a DYK reviewer who is having a hard time understanding DYK policy in regaurds to reviewing hooks where the editor started an article in user space and then moved it into article space. He/she doesn't seem to be grasping how to determine how old the article is, and they refused to believe the article shouldn't be rejected after several other reviewers, including myself, pointed out the relevent policies. Anyway, the article in question has since been promoted so that is not an issue. Howeverm this editor is still confused. I thought you might be able to explain DYKCheck better than me at User talk:Philcha#DYKcheck. Thanks for any help you can give in advance. Best, 4meter4 (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've been swamped by other things for the last week, and I apologize for the late reply. The discussion there seems to have died down, so I'll reply here. A few things:
- The tone in that discussion was quite unhealthy (this isn't directed at anyone in particular). Continuing the discussion seemed to be getting everyone more worked up.
- There are a lot of boxes to check when reviewing DYKs. This comes naturally for DYK regulars, but isn't so easy for those reviewing for the first few times. Incidentally, this is why I made DYKcheck; to reduce the tedious aspects of reviewing.
- I agree with Philcha that the documentation for DYK isn't great. In the past we've made efforts to simplify the submission process and make it more understandable, but we've yet to do that for the reviewing side of things. DYK as a whole should be open to feedback.
- DYKcheck is a tool, and should not replace human judgment. Therefore, reviewers using it should be able to manually verify that DYKcheck's output is correct (or incorrect). Which leads into my next point...
- The Wikimedia software itself has its own quirks. A normal person would expect this page to contain something if in fact a move had taken place. What isn't obvious is that the moves only show up on the log of the "from" title, and don't show up on the "target" title log. You can search through the normal edit history on the target page for an edit summary like "moved <from title> to <target title>", but again, this isn't obvious to the normal user (this is how DYKcheck finds moves by the way). (And I notice that no one pointed out these subtleties to Philcha.)
- I will expand the "Using DYKcheck" on DYKcheck's documentation page to try to address Philcha's issues with using the script (when I find some time to breathe). I'm always open to feedback/criticism/rants/raves on anything I've worked on.
- Shubinator (talk) 23:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Who gets the credit, how does it work?
As the creator of the article Titanomyrma, which is now on the main page, I would've like to have been told. When I come to Wikipedia, I go to my watchlist which I bookmarked, and not the main page, so I would've have noticed except I have someone else's talk page on my watchlist. I notice that at least two people who worked on the article got a message. Shouldn't the article's creator get it as well? Or was there an error since someone renamed it from my original Titanomyrma lubei to its current shorter title of Titanomyrma? Is that a bug? Dream Focus 19:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- You have Titanomyrma watchlisted, right? This edit should have shown up on your watchlist. As for the user talk page notices, those are determined by whoever nominated the article for DYK, at the time they nominate the article for DYK. In this case, these edits show the
{{DYKmake}}
templates being added to the nomination. The bot simply follows these templates. So no, it's not a bug. - As to the separate question of whether you should receive credit, this case is ambiguous. The nominator was nominating for DYK on the basis of expansion, not creation. However, it would have been courteous of the nominator to include you in the credits. Shubinator (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK fix
Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Local_time_updates got ignored and you may be able to help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 17:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot disabled?
Did something happen to this bot? It hasn't made any updates in about 18 hours. OCNative (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like it was having connectivity issues. I've restarted it. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Brilliant bot-maker advice sought
Could you please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#What_should_happen_before_a_brilliant_bot-maker_does_this.3F and give some advice? There seems to be consensus that it would be good to have a bot-notification to the article talk page triggered at the time somebody nominates the article for DYK. Nobody objected to the simple wording I proposed, which is of course based on your earlier work:
"This article Name of Article has been nominated to be linked to from Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column using the hook "Did you know ... text of hook proposed?" The DYK discussion will be here (a link to article's discussion at DYK)."
I hope this proposal meets with your approval and that you can suggest a way to implement it. Thanks for your work on the DYKUpdateBot! betsythedevine (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
- Replied there. I've been meaning to comment on that discussion for more than a week now, but my free time has been very patchy; sorry. Shubinator (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
- And now I've replied there with a possible codable-solution to issues you raised. Thanks again for thinking about this! betsythedevine (talk) 06:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
...for the support. Haven't seen you in a while (but I think of you every time I remove the stub template from a DYK-nominated article) but I see you're still plugging along. Thanks again, and see you around, Drmies (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
- No problem :) Yep, I'm still chugging along. I keep thinking that in a few months I'll have more free time, but for some reason that "more free time" never appears. Never fear though, you'll have to put up with me a while longer :) Shubinator (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
DYN
Hi, How about linking the word refah in the Did you know section (30 May) to the page Refah tragedy ? Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like this is already off the Main Page. Also, I agree with the way the article was linked; since the article is about a specific event and not the boat itself, the wikilink on the verb is more appropriate than a wikilink on the boat. Shubinator (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Note
Once you're on-line, have a look here [1]. I had no time at all to investigate this, but there is something odd with {{Did you know/Next update}}
redirecting to prep1. Maybe I should change that redirect instead of reverting Edokter. Or maybe this is somehow related to the preview of the "next day main page" with prep1 in it (handy when composing the set). Materialscientist (talk) 07:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's a remnant of when the preps were Next update and Next Next update, which itself is a remnant of a time before DYKUpdateBot and DYKadminBot. (If you're curious, the discussions to change the names are here and here.) I'm tempted to leave the redirect as-is since a lot of stuff used /Next update in the past. However, tweaking the redirect to point to the next queue (if templates are allowed within redirects) also isn't a bad idea. Shubinator (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Coccolithovirus.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Coccolithovirus.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}
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- Just in case you're wondering: the file was featured in 2006. It had no proper license, but was moved to commons, and thus deleted on en.wiki in 2007, and then deleted on Commons, in 2011. Thus it appears as an empty tagged file, but the tagging was done in 2009, when the file was alive. Materialscientist (talk) 13:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's an unfortunate side-effect of the way we do file tagging: if/when the file on Commons is deleted, the tag on enwiki needs to be manually cleaned up. Shubinator (talk) 06:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
DYK thoughts
Hi Shub. I just wanted to take one more stab at my idea for a DYK bot that supports AfD-style nominations before I retire it. I hope you'll indulge me! Here's what I had envisioned this bot doing:
- Checks T:TDYK for new sections that resemble the results of a {{subst:NewDYKnom}} transclusion
- For each one it finds, it:
- creates a new page of the form Template talk:Did you know/Article create date/Article1 name
- moves the contents of the T:DYK section to this page, and adds a link to watchlist that page just beneath the section header
- it replaces the section on the T:DYK page with a transclusion of the subpage
The nice things about doing it this way are:
- It requires no additional part on the work of the nominator (or anyone else).
- It requires no changes to the "how to nominate" documentation.
- It requires only minimal changes to the way queues are promoted: the hook (and image, credits, etc) are copied from the subpage, and the transclusion of the subpage is removed from T:DYK.
- If the bot stops working, there's essentially no harm to the DYK process; nominators continue to add nominations the same way, and reviewers continue to click the edit button and add their comments. Only the watchlisting function will be offline, and only people promoting the hooks to prep will need to do anything differently, and only then if the bot's not back up by the time the hook's approved.
To be clear, I'm not volunteering you for any work; I'm happy to write this bot myself now that my bot is up and running and behaving like it should. I just wanted to run this by you, rather than everyone on WT:DYK, since you're the expert. If you think it's unworkable or otherwise a bad idea, I promise not to be offended, and will drop it; I just wanted to put down my thoughts while they were still fresh in my mind. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see any need for a bot. If we decide to go with AfD-style transclusions, updating the instructions for nominating is trivial, and unlike a bot it wouldn't require additional maintenance or a BRFA. Simply having people directly post their nominations to the proper subpage (basically what is already done for AfD, MfD, FA, and PR nominations) would be much simpler than writing a bot to do it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it's unworkable or a terrible idea, but I do feel there isn't much to be gained. The cons:
- The closer a bot interacts with everyday users, the more often it'll go down/crash. This is why making DYKUpdateBot was relatively easy; its input has already been screened by admins, compared to DYKcheck, which has to anticipate all sorts of hare-brained users (one reason why I haven't bot-ified DYKcheck).
- A small but not insignificant number of DYK regulars don't use {{NewDYKNom}}, which makes coding the bot harder.
- We're adding dependencies. On the Toolserver, on Wikipedia's APIs, etc. Disruptions in the dependencies ripple across to the bot. (For example, toolserver maintenance periods and changes to the API (API changes are decently rare but can have far-reaching consequences...a while back they went from 1-step login to 2-step login, which killed the old DYKadminBot).)
- T:TDYK is one of the most-edited pages on English Wikipedia (and therefore, on any Wikipedia). The bot will have to know edit conflicts like the back of its hand (assuming it has a hand, but you get my point :) ).
- My philosophy with bots is that they shouldn't be irreplaceable, so that if/when all bots disappear, things will still run. Maybe not well, but the system will still work. I love that DYKUpdateBot has been stable for over a year, but at the same time I wonder how many currently active DYK admins could perform a full update (can you?). (And I realize this is a philosophical point and nearly impossible to address.)
- Most of my concerns are with building a sturdy bot in the first place, and then actively maintaining the bot. If you're willing to put in the effort, go for it. Shubinator (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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- All reasonable concerns. I won't push for a bot, then, and will just stand by to help in case one is wanted. (And I think I know how to do the update manually, but only because I've looked at DYKUpdateBot's contribs.) 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- K. Making your current bot bulletproof will give you more experience if/when it's needed. Implementing DYKHousekeepingBot helped me understand some of the API's idiosyncrasies before DYKUpdateBot came along (not to mention it gave me a nice head start on code). Granted, the python bot libraries are more mature than the java ones, so you'll probably have fewer issues to deal with. (That's the best place to start. I learned the DYK update process by looking at DYKadminBot's contribs, and when it was malfunctioning, figuring out what it missed. Even today DYKadminBot and DYKUpdateBot have a similar "feel".) Shubinator (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thinking some more about this, perhaps a bot that could help but wouldn't "get in the way" would be one that maintains a new page that lists only unreviewed nominations? In other words Template talk:Did you know/unreviewed would be updated every hour or so to transclude all of the T:TDYK subpages that contain only the nomination and no other editors' comments? I occasionally see comments from nominators saying they can't find any unreviewed ones, maybe this would help. It wouldn't edit T:TDYK, just read it. What do you think? 28bytes (talk) 20:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sure. It'll be much easier to code, and you won't have to worry about things like edit conflicts. And if the bot is down it won't affect the main DYK process. Shubinator (talk) 17:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thinking some more about this, perhaps a bot that could help but wouldn't "get in the way" would be one that maintains a new page that lists only unreviewed nominations? In other words Template talk:Did you know/unreviewed would be updated every hour or so to transclude all of the T:TDYK subpages that contain only the nomination and no other editors' comments? I occasionally see comments from nominators saying they can't find any unreviewed ones, maybe this would help. It wouldn't edit T:TDYK, just read it. What do you think? 28bytes (talk) 20:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- K. Making your current bot bulletproof will give you more experience if/when it's needed. Implementing DYKHousekeepingBot helped me understand some of the API's idiosyncrasies before DYKUpdateBot came along (not to mention it gave me a nice head start on code). Granted, the python bot libraries are more mature than the java ones, so you'll probably have fewer issues to deal with. (That's the best place to start. I learned the DYK update process by looking at DYKadminBot's contribs, and when it was malfunctioning, figuring out what it missed. Even today DYKadminBot and DYKUpdateBot have a similar "feel".) Shubinator (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- All reasonable concerns. I won't push for a bot, then, and will just stand by to help in case one is wanted. (And I think I know how to do the update manually, but only because I've looked at DYKUpdateBot's contribs.) 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Shubinator, your efforts are very much appreciated. I didn't know about them until now, as I'm relatively new to DYK reviewing. Please let me know if you have any ideas/advice on how to make the noms watchlistable. Cheers. Tony (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Good to hear. The transcluded noms idea seems like it's been discussed enough, and is now waiting for someone to implement it. It's theoretically not too complex (and perhaps this is what you meant by your comment on WT:DYK...to be clear, even the theoretically simplest of ideas takes a decent amount of sweat to make a reality), so someone should take the initiative and do it. (And I note rjanag and cmadler have both made prototypes, so it looks like it's rolling along.) Shubinator (talk) 06:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Shubinator, the latest about the DYK restructuring is at WT:DYK#Something new, and I'm soliciting people's comments at WP:DYK#New nomination setup. If you have time, it would be nice if you could comment on whether either my or Cmadler's proposal will be easier or more difficult for DYKcheck to handle. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback. One more quick question: will the bot still be able to get the info it needs for Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count under the new system? I can partially replicate it using categories in the subpages (e.g., "Category:Pending DYK nominations from 2011 July 4", etc.), but that wouldn't be able to replace things the bot does like counting the verified vs. unverified noms and organizing them into the table. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- No, the core of DYKHousekeepingBot will have to be rewritten, either to parse HTML, or traverse the transclusions. Shouldn't be too hard to do. Next two weekends look especially busy for me though. Shubinator (talk) 06:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, no worries. I don't think it's urgent, I'm sure they can survive without the hook count for a few weeks (and I doubt they'll be ready to start using the new setup that soon anyway). In the interim, I can use categories to give them a rough hook count. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. The date/time of the switch should be advertised for a day or two before it actually happens; for one, it gives me time to turn off DYKHousekeepingBot (I believe it would fill the table with 0's if left on). Shubinator (talk) 06:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, no worries. I don't think it's urgent, I'm sure they can survive without the hook count for a few weeks (and I doubt they'll be ready to start using the new setup that soon anyway). In the interim, I can use categories to give them a rough hook count. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- No, the core of DYKHousekeepingBot will have to be rewritten, either to parse HTML, or traverse the transclusions. Shouldn't be too hard to do. Next two weekends look especially busy for me though. Shubinator (talk) 06:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback. One more quick question: will the bot still be able to get the info it needs for Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count under the new system? I can partially replicate it using categories in the subpages (e.g., "Category:Pending DYK nominations from 2011 July 4", etc.), but that wouldn't be able to replace things the bot does like counting the verified vs. unverified noms and organizing them into the table. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Bot staled
Check'em if you're around. I've reset the queue for the next update to start at 00:00 UTC 30 June - just got online. Materialscientist (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- *facepalm* Classic null pointer exception. Bot reset. Looking into the best way of revising the code. Shubinator (talk) 05:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Code fixed. Since this is a decently major bug I've pushed the update to the live code as well. I'll be asleep for the next update, but I'll check on everything in the morning. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll monitor the next update, but not the update after. (I have developed a worrying tendency to remove the <!--Hooks--> tag. This cost us one missing update when I was offline. :).
- Excellent. (Eh, we all have our not-so-bright moments. I'm still marveling at that null pointer...) Shubinator (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll monitor the next update, but not the update after. (I have developed a worrying tendency to remove the <!--Hooks--> tag. This cost us one missing update when I was offline. :).
- Code fixed. Since this is a decently major bug I've pushed the update to the live code as well. I'll be asleep for the next update, but I'll check on everything in the morning. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Strobilomyces foveatus 93685.jpg
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Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count
This hasn't been updated in three days. Is there a problem with the bot? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Bot restarted. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 07:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Shubinator. This seems to have frozen. Just an FYI. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 02:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- This time it's intentional :) The bot's stats would be inaccurate since we're phasing in the new transclusion system, and in my opinion, no stats are better than inaccurate stats. It'll be up and running again once I rewrite some of the core. Shubinator (talk) 02:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- OK, Shubinator. Thanks. Happy coding. :-) Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 17:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
DYKCheck installation
Would you mind looking at my installation of DYKCheck. I have bypassed the browser cache, but nothing appears in the toolbox sidebar. --Epipelagic (talk) 00:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. I'm assuming you're using the monobook skin? You can also try placing the DYKcheck line above all the others to help narrow down the issue. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot
Three queues are empty. Should I be worried? How can I fix this? So confused! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's normal; nothing to worry about. A couple of years ago having three queues full was rare. Having said that, if a prep is full, feel free to verify the set and move it into a queue. Thanks for helping out at DYK! Shubinator (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot and the transcluded nom system
DYKHousekeepingBot hasn't updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in 4 days and 5 hours, which is odd. :)
Is this related to the new subpage system that has been implemented? --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yep, see #Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. I stopped it instead of letting it run and produce inaccurate stats. Shubinator (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- The output from Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is still appearing on the Queue page, but it hasn't been updated since July 24... The count has been really useful in the past; it should be reinstated if at all possible, IMO. --Orlady (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to get to it within a week. Shubinator (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
- DYKHousekeepingBot is now up and running. It's a decent bit more brittle than it used to be, since it's now scraping the HTML directly and not the wikitext. Also, the sections that have been promoted (and show only "Promoted:" and a link) are seen as unverified hooks by the bot. If we can add some sort of marker (HTML comment?), I can make the bot ignore those sections entirely. Shubinator (talk) 06:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- I can do that, for both promoted and rejected noms. How about
<!--Archived nomination-->
in front of both? (I mean, in front of the "Promoted:", not in front of the section header.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)- It looks like comments in the wikitext aren't showing up in the HTML.
<div style="display:none">Archived nomination</div>
should do the trick though... Yeah, makes sense to add the tag for both promoted and rejected noms; they shouldn't be counted in the stats. Shubinator (talk) 04:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)- Ok, it's in there now, [2]. Should show up in passed/failed noms from now on. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll try to add the corresponding bot code within a day or two...too sleepy right now. Shubinator (talk) 06:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Done. I've also fixed a fairly bad bug where the total number of hooks was displaying half of the actual total. I should be trouted for that one... Shubinator (talk) 07:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll try to add the corresponding bot code within a day or two...too sleepy right now. Shubinator (talk) 06:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, it's in there now, [2]. Should show up in passed/failed noms from now on. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- It looks like comments in the wikitext aren't showing up in the HTML.
- I can do that, for both promoted and rejected noms. How about
- DYKHousekeepingBot is now up and running. It's a decent bit more brittle than it used to be, since it's now scraping the HTML directly and not the wikitext. Also, the sections that have been promoted (and show only "Promoted:" and a link) are seen as unverified hooks by the bot. If we can add some sort of marker (HTML comment?), I can make the bot ignore those sections entirely. Shubinator (talk) 06:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to get to it within a week. Shubinator (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
- The output from Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is still appearing on the Queue page, but it hasn't been updated since July 24... The count has been really useful in the past; it should be reinstated if at all possible, IMO. --Orlady (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
DYKcheck pages
Hi, can DYKcheck be enabled for nomination subpages? And, while I'm asking, I'd also like to see it enabled for Preps and Queues, which would make things such as checking hook length much easier. Thanks, MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'll look into it. Honestly this is a tad low on my list of priorities; bringing DYKHousekeepingBot back online and fixing DYKcheck on T:TDYK are higher priority for me. In other words, it might take a while before I look at this in detail (it's not trivial). Shubinator (talk) 16:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Please check the update bot
Something froze him for the update around 9 am UTC, 30 July, and I couldn't see right away what. In the update time template, there were spaces in front of the time value, but this wasn't a problem before. The name of the first article was rather long, but this shouldn't stop him from starting the update. Materialscientist (talk) 10:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- The bot was unable to write to T:DYK, probably due to Mediawiki issues. The bot has recovered and should make the next update without issues. Shubinator (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Another thing....
Hey Shubs, I was worried I haven't stolen enough of your time yet for DYK tasks, so here's another ;) . When you have a moment, would you care to look at User talk:DumbBOT#Using DumbBOT for DYK? and let me know if this is something you think DYKHousekeepingBot et al. could do easily? I don't know how difficult it would be to program something like this; if it would be a big hassle then I can wait until September and ask Tizio about it again, since it's not really an urgent task and it looks like getting DumbBOT or something like that to do it would only require some minor changes. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- It's definitely doable, though unfortunately there's no efficient way of going about it. Option 1: The bot would enumerate all the subpages of "Template talk:Did you know" (imagine this a year from now...tons and tons of subpages), and of those edited recently, enumerate all backlinks (pages that point to that page), and search through the backlinks for T:TDYK or a daily log. And if one of those backlinks isn't found, figure out who created the page, and notify them. Option 2: The bot checks the new Template talk pages every so often (1), and if the title starts with "Template talk:Did you know/", check backlinks. If backlink not found, notify user. I like option 2 a bit better since it scales better (in other words, the processing time will be the same now as two years from now). So I'll see when I can get around to making a prototype...maybe in a few weeks. Shubinator (talk) 07:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Awesome! For what it's worth, all the subpages that haven't been approved or rejected yet (including ones that have been created but not yet transcluded) are in Category:Pending DYK nominations, I don't know if that makes things any easier? rʨanaɢ (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- That'll definitely come in useful. Make that Option 3: Bot enumerates all pages in the pending category, sorted by time created (2). For all entries after the last timestamp the bot ended at, and before the timestamp the bot wants to stop at, figure out backlinks etc etc. Much cleaner. Shubinator (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Awesome! For what it's worth, all the subpages that haven't been approved or rejected yet (including ones that have been created but not yet transcluded) are in Category:Pending DYK nominations, I don't know if that makes things any easier? rʨanaɢ (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Shubs, sorry to bother you, I just wanted to see if you've gotten a chance to look into this at all yet. The past few days there have been a bunch of complaints at WT:DYK from people who didn't read the instructions and thus didn't transclude their noms and their noms have never been reviewed; today I just got rid of 30-some noms from months ago that had never been transcluded. If a bot were able to check these daily or something I think it would pretty much eliminate the problem.
- Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, hadn't realized we'd settled on option 3. Next week is pretty bad for me, but I should be able to get to this in two or three weeks. And after the code is written, it'll need to go through BRFA. Shubinator (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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- That sounds like a plan, no rush. Thanks! rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't forgotten about this; I've had a decently heavy workload lately. I'll try to get to this within four or five weeks (I'm traveling for a couple of weeks starting on the 25th, and unfortunately I can't code "on the road" this time). Shubinator (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Code finished, more or less. We've got two things that need to be hashed out: 1) the message the bot will post on the users' talk pages (this would probably be best as a template, like {{UpdatedDYK}}), and 2) how much of a grace period we should allow between the nominator creating the nom page and transclusion onto T:TDYK (as it is now the bot will give the user 48 hours). After these are sorted out, we're ready for BRfA! Shubinator (talk) 15:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks so much for doing that! As for the second thing, I just threw together {{DYK nomination needs transcluded}}, which the bot can post. As for the grace period, I'm fine with 48 hours but also it can be much shorter (depending on how feasible it is to run the bot frequently). Ideally, people should be transcluding their nominations immediately, so if for instance 12 hours have passed and it hasn't been done then I would assume they forgot to do it and they need the bot message. But if it's not feasible to have the bot run that often, 48 hours is fine too. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) The template looks good; I'll tweak it to add instructions on deleting the page if they don't want to continue with the nomination. I'll make the grace period 24 hours so it's a once-daily run; it's possible that the nominator only has time during the evenings, and intends to come back to it the next evening. Time to draft up a BRfA :) Shubinator (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Filed. Shubinator (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) The template looks good; I'll tweak it to add instructions on deleting the page if they don't want to continue with the nomination. I'll make the grace period 24 hours so it's a once-daily run; it's possible that the nominator only has time during the evenings, and intends to come back to it the next evening. Time to draft up a BRfA :) Shubinator (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks so much for doing that! As for the second thing, I just threw together {{DYK nomination needs transcluded}}, which the bot can post. As for the grace period, I'm fine with 48 hours but also it can be much shorter (depending on how feasible it is to run the bot frequently). Ideally, people should be transcluding their nominations immediately, so if for instance 12 hours have passed and it hasn't been done then I would assume they forgot to do it and they need the bot message. But if it's not feasible to have the bot run that often, 48 hours is fine too. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Code finished, more or less. We've got two things that need to be hashed out: 1) the message the bot will post on the users' talk pages (this would probably be best as a template, like {{UpdatedDYK}}), and 2) how much of a grace period we should allow between the nominator creating the nom page and transclusion onto T:TDYK (as it is now the bot will give the user 48 hours). After these are sorted out, we're ready for BRfA! Shubinator (talk) 15:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't forgotten about this; I've had a decently heavy workload lately. I'll try to get to this within four or five weeks (I'm traveling for a couple of weeks starting on the 25th, and unfortunately I can't code "on the road" this time). Shubinator (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- That sounds like a plan, no rush. Thanks! rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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- Sorry, hadn't realized we'd settled on option 3. Next week is pretty bad for me, but I should be able to get to this in two or three weeks. And after the code is written, it'll need to go through BRFA. Shubinator (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Yet another side effect of DYK turmoil
In yet another side effect of the turmoil at DYK, I note that Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is still showing counts for several days' sets of hooks that have been removed from the nominations page. Presumably this is related to the fact that the nomination pages for these dates still exist as log pages. Also, the DYK hook count is not getting updated to include dates more recent than 12 August.
"If it isn't one thing, it's another." --Orlady (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- This is a deeper problem. Wikipedia itself is returning a T:TDYK timestamped at 20110813121330 (August 13th) to the bot. Apart from that the bot's output appears to be correct. If this doesn't fix itself, or is a recurring issue, I'll have to rewrite the bot core again. Shubinator (talk) 05:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
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DYK check
Not a big deal, but was curious about a resent result while performing a DYKcheck. At 3rd Battalion, 10th Aviation Regiment (United States) it only performed the check on the lead. Doesn't appear to happen with a couple of random articles I pulled up and thought it was weird so thought I would bring it up. Take care Shubinator. Kindly Calmer Waters 06:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- The page had broken HTML; so broken I'm a tad surprised my browsers are letting the page get away with it. It had unmatched <div> tags, which were added in this edit. Since the HTML was broken, the DOM (essentially the tree representation of it) was broken too. Should be good now. Shubinator (talk) 06:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- I learned something new, always do when I talk with you :). I'll start watching for such things in the future. Thanks again. Much appreciated. Calmer Waters 06:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- No problem, always glad to help :) Shubinator (talk) 10:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- I learned something new, always do when I talk with you :). I'll start watching for such things in the future. Thanks again. Much appreciated. Calmer Waters 06:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Talkpage tagging by DYKUpdateBot
Hey Shubs,
I recently updated User:Ameliorate!/DYKtalkintro, which is what generates the editnotice if people do talkpage credit tagging by hand (they paste in the {{dyktalk}}
created by that edit notice); I edited it so that it also includes |nompage=
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template will make a link to the nomination subpage ([3]).
I think this isn't happening when the bot does tagging, since the bot doesn't (I assume) need to copy that editnotice to do its tagging. Do you know if it would be easy to have the bot do it? Basically it just adds |nompage=
if it can figure out where the nompage is (e.g., if the nomination subpage has the same name as the article, which is usually the case but not always).
Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- Should be pretty simple. I think I can just add this into the template string as a subst and make Mediawiki do the grunt work of figuring out if the page exists :P I'm too sleepy right now to trust myself with DYKUpdateBot, so I'll try to make the change within a week. Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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- No worries, there's no hurry.
- Since this method is still prone to missing some pages (for instance, the article may not match the subpage name if it's a multi-nomination, if the article was moved before the nom hit the main page, or if the nominator simply made a typo or used some other name), what would really be best would be if I updated
{{NewDYKnom}}
so that it automatically filled in the DYKmake/DYKnom templates with {{FULLPAGENAME}} when people saved their noms, and then that information could be preserved through the preps and queues and DYKUpdateBot could somehow use that to fill in|nompage=
; this would be more accurate than just using the {{BASEPAGENAME}}at the time the bot tags the talk page, and would still require no extra work for the humans. I'm no sure if that's any easier or harder to code for the bot, though. If you want to try this route, just let me know and I can make the changes to the various templates. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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- This approach is doable; wouldn't take too much extra bot code. Might make it tougher for the folks promoting into the prep though, for noms that don't use NewDYKNom. Shubinator (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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DYKhousekeepingbot
... is not keeping house very well lately, only updating Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count every 10 to 24 hours instead of every couple of hours like it used to. Any chance you could fix it? Gatoclass (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
- See #Yet another side effect of DYK turmoil. Looks like I'm gonna hafta rewrite the core again. I'll try to get to it within a week. Shubinator (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
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DYKcheck fixed on T:TDYK
For those who've noticed, I've fixed the bug where DYKcheck would think the first nom on T:TDYK was one of the instruction sections. Shubinator (talk) 02:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
DYK Template problem
Please see User_talk:Victuallers#DYK_Template. --Odie5533 (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
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Suggestion for tweaking the DYK update bot
I crop DYK images a lot and sometimes clone the crops on Commons, but often don't, as minor crops are useless for anything else than the 8 hrs on the main page. In the latter case, I just upload the cropped file over the existing file. Sometimes this crop removes details which would be useful to the readers during those 8 hrs, as pointed to me recently by David Levy. I think the easiest fix is to amend the bot as follows:
If the file of DYK image, say DYK.jpg, contains {{M-cropped|target.jpg}}
(i.e. it is on en.wiki) then, after the bot replaced the DYK set on the main page,
- Delete DYK.jpg irrespective of its presence on Commons.
- Replace DYK.jpg by target.jpg in the DYK archive (while archiving the last set).
- Tag target.jpg instead of DYK.jpg with "was featured on the main page on .."
This might (not necessarily) couple with using [[File:DYK.jpg|100x100px|link=target.jpg]], while or right before promoting the set to the queues (this is when I crop). If this form is used, then the "link=" file becomes equal to the "file:" itself that should cause no harm.
However, the bot should still check target.jpg and delete it if it contains {{c-uploaded}}
and is a copy of a Commons image. Materialscientist (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
- The logic is a bit complicated, but it looks doable. I'll see when I can get to it. Shubinator (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
- Not urgent, and, forget the cumbersome [[File:DYK.jpg|100x100px|link=target.jpg]] part - I won't use it anyway :-). After this is set up, it will work like this: I crop the file and upload it to en.wiki not as "c-uploaded" but as "m-cropped". This m-cropped file is for main page use only - the article images are untouched. After featuring, the bot deletes this temporary DYK.jpg file and replaces its link in the hook with the uncropped target (which I specify for him in the template), for archiving purposes. Materialscientist (talk) 05:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
- Implemented as described, minus the link= stuff. It looks like none of the images in the queues or preps are cropped, so I'll keep an eye out; I'd like to see the bot execute one run successfully using the new feature. Shubinator (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- And the winner is File:DYK Great Match (The Flying Dutchman and Voltigeur).jpg in queue 1. Shubinator (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- D'oh, let's try that again... Shubinator (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Next shot: File:Histrio histrio by A. H. Baldwin-crop.jpg in queue 6. Shubinator (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Seems Ok to me. If so, we (you :-) better tell the project how to add temporal crops to preps. Materialscientist (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Done :) Shubinator (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Seems Ok to me. If so, we (you :-) better tell the project how to add temporal crops to preps. Materialscientist (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Next shot: File:Histrio histrio by A. H. Baldwin-crop.jpg in queue 6. Shubinator (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- D'oh, let's try that again... Shubinator (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- And the winner is File:DYK Great Match (The Flying Dutchman and Voltigeur).jpg in queue 1. Shubinator (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Implemented as described, minus the link= stuff. It looks like none of the images in the queues or preps are cropped, so I'll keep an eye out; I'd like to see the bot execute one run successfully using the new feature. Shubinator (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not urgent, and, forget the cumbersome [[File:DYK.jpg|100x100px|link=target.jpg]] part - I won't use it anyway :-). After this is set up, it will work like this: I crop the file and upload it to en.wiki not as "c-uploaded" but as "m-cropped". This m-cropped file is for main page use only - the article images are untouched. After featuring, the bot deletes this temporary DYK.jpg file and replaces its link in the hook with the uncropped target (which I specify for him in the template), for archiving purposes. Materialscientist (talk) 05:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
12 hour update
Community decided to go to 12 hour update. Would be great if you checked the bot templates (time drifts, brown message saying that the update is overdue, etc.). Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I remember seeing that discussion a few days ago. Everything should auto-magically work like Allen3 said, but I'll take a glance around to make sure. Shubinator (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Overall looks good. However, it seems like the behavior of {{DYK-Refresh}} is a tad different; before it would show brown if the update was delayed, but not delayed more than two hours. With the current code, the template is brown in the two hours before an update. Not sure if this is intentional. Shubinator (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Difference is due primarily to my having spent time away from day-to-day DYK operations and my memory not completely matching reality. The difference has been removed. --Allen3 talk 21:47, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, ok. Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 16:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- Difference is due primarily to my having spent time away from day-to-day DYK operations and my memory not completely matching reality. The difference has been removed. --Allen3 talk 21:47, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- Overall looks good. However, it seems like the behavior of {{DYK-Refresh}} is a tad different; before it would show brown if the update was delayed, but not delayed more than two hours. With the current code, the template is brown in the two hours before an update. Not sure if this is intentional. Shubinator (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Another suggestion for the DYK bot
This starts worrying me - I'm trying to catch these in advance and correct afterwards, but there is always a chance for a human error. Can you teach the bot ignore "|subpage=" after username in the credits lines? Would be great. Best. Materialscientist (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- Done. I'll be asleep for the next update, but will check on everything once I wake up. (Also, I'm in the process of updating /Code, but Mediawiki apparently disagrees...) Shubinator (talk) 04:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
- Mkay, I'm leaving /Code for tomorrow too; it seems to have manifested a read-only force field. Shubinator (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
- The bot looks like its running fine. Meanwhile that force field hasn't gone away; if it's still there by the weekend I'll see if I can get creative with it, or loop the WP:VPT folks in. Shubinator (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was watching the last updates and saw no problems. The wikimedia servers seemed unstable during the last 16 hours or so (now seems better) - blue screens, database problems, some scripts stopped working, etc. Materialscientist (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- No problem :) Huh, that would explain the weirdness with /Code...hopefully it'll be fixed soonish. Shubinator (talk) 05:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- /Code updated. Shubinator (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- No problem :) Huh, that would explain the weirdness with /Code...hopefully it'll be fixed soonish. Shubinator (talk) 05:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was watching the last updates and saw no problems. The wikimedia servers seemed unstable during the last 16 hours or so (now seems better) - blue screens, database problems, some scripts stopped working, etc. Materialscientist (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- The bot looks like its running fine. Meanwhile that force field hasn't gone away; if it's still there by the weekend I'll see if I can get creative with it, or loop the WP:VPT folks in. Shubinator (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Mkay, I'm leaving /Code for tomorrow too; it seems to have manifested a read-only force field. Shubinator (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
MediaWiki 1.18
DYKUpdateBot and DYKHousekeepingBot both appear to have stopped working about the same time MediaWiki 1.18 was brought online (sometime between 00:30 and 01:00 (UTC) this morning). Hopefully they just need to be restarted. Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#1.18 issues for some of the other issues that have been discovered and to report any functionality changes that you may discover. --Allen3 talk 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Pinned down one issue: namespaces in the XML returned by the Mediawiki API. This appears (at a very quick glance) to be crippling at least DYKUpdateBot and DYKHousekeepingBot, and might also be affecting DYKcheck. Looking into it, but Mondays and Wednesdays are relatively busy, so I may not be able to dedicate more time to this until the evening. Shubinator (talk) 13:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- And it looks like they've also changed how login works. *sigh* Shubinator (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
One 1.18 difference for IE9 (that you mentioned on Village Pump) is due to Bugzilla:15461 being fixed in 1.18, but it looks like you uncovered a bug here — ☠MarkAHershberger☣ (talk) 00:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking into it :) Shubinator (talk) 03:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
The bot updated on 6 October (around midday UTC) but not around 0 am 7 October. I saw some temporal server problems through other processes around that time. Materialscientist (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- The original Mediawiki change that crippled the bots yesterday was rolled back today (bugzilla:24781), effectively killing the bots again. Fixing... Shubinator (talk) 06:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed. Hopefully they won't revert the revert of the breaking change... Shubinator (talk) 06:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
File:2205grec.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:2205grec.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- No need to go through FFD; I've deleted it. Shubinator (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot: nompage parameter
Hi, sorry everyone's always asking so much of you, but here I go again....
I had assumed that DYKUpdateBot used the |subpage=
parameter of {{DYKmake}} to generate the |nompage=
parameter in the {{DYK talk}} on the article's talk page.
But then I wasn't sure if that's what the bot does, and came here to check your talk page, but the only thing I found was a request that the bot ignore that parameter.
If you're already aware of this situation, I apologize for bothering you. In any case, thanks for all of your hard work! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Looking at the WT:DYK archives and the templates' diffs, the nompage links are added auto-magically by {{dyktalk}} and {{DYKmake}}. I remember talking about this with Rjanag; see #Talkpage tagging by DYKUpdateBot. If DYKmake and DYKnom are tweaked to support the nompage parameter, I can make a similar change to DYKUpdateBot to propagate the change. (No promises on how long that'll take though...) Shubinator (talk) 00:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- {{DYKmake}} shouldn't require any modification, and {{DYKnom}} isn't relevant here. {{NewDYKnom}} already adds a subpage parameter to DYKmake when the subpage name differs from the article name, but it only does so for the first article; so I think the only change required would be for NewDYKnom to add the subpage parameter whenever needed for all articles of a multi-nom. Then, when the subpage parameter is present, the bot would add it (prefixed with "Template:Did you know nominations/") as the nompage parameter for {{DYK talk}}. It may also be desirable to include nompage even when the subpage name is the same as the article name. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- You're right; I thought the code in {{DYKmake}} displayed an error message if three parameters were passed to it, but it looks like the error message only pops up if they're unnamed parameters. Yeah, in my opinion the nompage parameter should either exist everywhere or nowhere. Shubinator (talk) 02:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- Done; if a DYKmake template has the subpage parameter, DYKUpdateBot will propagate it to the nompage parameter in the corresponding {{dyktalk}}. Shubinator (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- You're right; I thought the code in {{DYKmake}} displayed an error message if three parameters were passed to it, but it looks like the error message only pops up if they're unnamed parameters. Yeah, in my opinion the nompage parameter should either exist everywhere or nowhere. Shubinator (talk) 02:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- {{DYKmake}} shouldn't require any modification, and {{DYKnom}} isn't relevant here. {{NewDYKnom}} already adds a subpage parameter to DYKmake when the subpage name differs from the article name, but it only does so for the first article; so I think the only change required would be for NewDYKnom to add the subpage parameter whenever needed for all articles of a multi-nom. Then, when the subpage parameter is present, the bot would add it (prefixed with "Template:Did you know nominations/") as the nompage parameter for {{DYK talk}}. It may also be desirable to include nompage even when the subpage name is the same as the article name. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
12:00, 6 November 2011 update for DYKUpdateBot
Has something happened to the DYK bots? As noted at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Main page update on 6 Nov, at 12:00UTC, DYKUpdateBot missed the last scheduled update and the last update by DYKHousekeepingBot was at 06:33 (UTC). --Allen3 talk 12:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Lesson One by Frederick Hammersley.jpg
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00:00, 10 November 2011 update for DYKUpdateBot
Looks like another communications hiccup may have occurred. DYKUpdateBot missed the 00:00, 10 November 2011 update and DYKHousekeepingBot has not made any updates despite several new DYK nominations having been submitted a couple hours ago. --Allen3 talk 00:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
- Bots restarted. Toolserver maintenance was today; the servers were all rebooted. I checked on the bots around 7 hours ago, saw them running, and mistakenly thought the maintenance window had passed without willow being rebooted. My bad. Shubinator (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Is DYKHousekeepingBot out on strike?
It seems that DYKHousekeepingBot hasn't updated Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in more than 24 hours... --Orlady (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like the bot was having connection issues. I've restarted the bot. Thanks for letting me know :) Shubinator (talk) 06:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
The bot missed the update of 00:00 UTC 29 December, but apparently self-recovered after that. Materialscientist (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like another connection issue. If this keeps happening I'll try to get a more descriptive error description. (And yeah, the auto-reset kicked in.) Shubinator (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Once again, Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count is long overdue for an update. If you have access, could you please restart it? --Orlady (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Shubinator (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
You forgot to give me credit for 1877 U. S. Patent Office fire
DYKUpdateBot (talk | contribs) (Article appeared on DYK on 3 January 2012, adding {{dyktalk}}) You gave it to my two co-contributors, but apparently I've been overlooked. Please help. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- As the bot claimed The username '7&6=thirteen' is invalid, I've issued the credit. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:08, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Don't bother making the template happy, at the end of the day it's the bot that should read the username and article title correctly. Currently the bot doesn't attempt to "unescape" any HTML encoding found in the username (so if you escape characters in the username, the bot won't parse correctly).Shubinator (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)- I tweaked the bot credit parsing code a few hours ago, and as a result the bot is more in line with how the template will parse its own parameters. So now you (or whoever cleans up the template) have a few options (see the wikitext for the first):
1), 2){{DYKmake|Article title|7&6=thirteen}}
{{DYKmake|Article title|2=7&6=thirteen}}
, or 3){{DYKmake|Article title|7&6{{equals}}thirteen}}
. In general, if the template is happy, the bot will be happy. What worked before:{{DYKmake|Article title|7&6=thirteen}}
will no longer work. Shubinator (talk) 14:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)- Wow, you've been busy here since your return from your travels. Thanks for all of your hard work. It's great to now have something which works on the queue pages and for the bot. The escaping is done by {{NewDYKnomination}}, so unless someone figures out how to do this automatically, it'll have to be taken care of manually, which is fine since it's not a frequent problem. I'll add it to my regular DYK gnome routine. Note, however, that option 1, in which the "=" is replaced with "=", does not fully work; click on "give":
- Article – 7&6=thirteen () ()
- MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) Glancing at the {{NewDYKnomination}} code, it doesn't look like the template does anything special with substitution, which means it's the subst itself that's doing it. Huh, it looks like the URL is escaping the escaped HTML on option 1, which leads to gibberish (since the other end only unescapes once)...yeah, best to go with option 2 or 3. Shubinator (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- I tweaked the bot credit parsing code a few hours ago, and as a result the bot is more in line with how the template will parse its own parameters. So now you (or whoever cleans up the template) have a few options (see the wikitext for the first):
Your input is needed on the SOPA initiative
Hi Shubinator,
You are receiving this message either because you expressed an opinion about the proposed SOPA blackout before full blackout and soft blackout were adequately differentiated, or because you expressed general support without specifying a preference. Please ensure that your voice is heard by clarifying your position accordingly.
Thank you.
Message delivered as per request on ANI. -- The Helpful Bot 16:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Shubinator (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Please design/implement some solution for the DYK bot to stop updating during the SOPA blackout (5:00 UTC 18 Jan - 5:00 UTC 19 Jan) and recover after that. We can surely do something to the queue, so that the bot will not update it for technical reasons (rmv --hooks-- line, etc.), but I don't know other technical details which may actually logout the bot during the blackout. Materialscientist (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Replied on WT:DYK. No need to panic, I'll take care of it :) Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am rather curious about the technical details of the blackout (i.e. what other bot-wise damage to expect after it's over). Haven't see anything yet (though haven't looked much either :-). Materialscientist (talk) 06:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- The only postings I've seen is this. I'll go post on the Bot owners' noticeboard... Shubinator (talk) 06:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am rather curious about the technical details of the blackout (i.e. what other bot-wise damage to expect after it's over). Haven't see anything yet (though haven't looked much either :-). Materialscientist (talk) 06:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Replied on WT:DYK. No need to panic, I'll take care of it :) Shubinator (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Please design/implement some solution for the DYK bot to stop updating during the SOPA blackout (5:00 UTC 18 Jan - 5:00 UTC 19 Jan) and recover after that. We can surely do something to the queue, so that the bot will not update it for technical reasons (rmv --hooks-- line, etc.), but I don't know other technical details which may actually logout the bot during the blackout. Materialscientist (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
DYK talk date parameter
I've edited {{DYK talk}} such that the whole date can be entered as one parameter so we can write e.g.
- {{
dyktalk|19 January 2012|entry=... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?
}}
instead of
- {{
dyktalk|19 January|2012|entry=... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?
}}
(of course,
- {{
dyktalk|19 January 2012|... that seed from an endangered ... Chrysophyllum imperiale ... has been sent to its native Brazil ...?
}}
would also work). JIMp talk·cont 23:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting. Are you suggesting the bot should use the single-parameter date format? Shubinator (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
-
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- I'll leave the bot as-is for now. There's nearly no benefit to changing how the bot does things, plus the old templates (that have already been placed) aren't going to be switched to this format. Shubinator (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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00:00 20 January 2012 (UTC) update
FYI, DYKUpdateBot did not perform the 00:00 20 January 2012 (UTC) update and provided nothing at User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors indicating a problem preventing the update. I known that there were some database problems around 16:00 or 17:00 on the 19th that affected both the English and French Wikipedias, so connectivity issues may have confused it. Based upon past performance the bot's normal recovery code should have it back by the 08:00 update. If you get a chance, please check the bot to insure no other issues. --Allen3 talk 00:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like willow (the Toolserver server that hosts both bots) was rebooted, since the two bot processes aren't running and there's nothing in the logs that would suggest the bot ran into something unusual. I've started up both bots again. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 01:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Unusual activity by DYKHousekeepingBot
FYI,
Not sure what it means but during its 15:30 3 February 2012 update DYKHousekeepingBot essentially blanked the contents of Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count. Time for two subsequent updates has passed and the bot has not self corrected, so this does not appear to be a transient communications issue. When you get a chance please take a look to see if this is an issue on the toolserver or if some type of formatting error has been inserted at Template talk:Did you know, or one if its transcluded subpages, that is causing this unusual behavior. --Allen3 talk 16:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- The bot is producing the correct output on my machine. If it doesn't update at 17:30 UTC I'll restart the bot on Toolserver. Shubinator (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- That worked. I'm puzzled as to what caused the issue, especially since I couldn't see it in action... Shubinator (talk) 17:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Edits to America in the King Years
Hi - Could you stop back over at the talk page for this article? I don't understand the rationale for at least one of your edits. KConWiki (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 02:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
White Horse Pagoda, Dunhuang
Thank you so much for pointing out that my self-nomination of this article was incomplete. I have tried to follow the guidelines properly and hope they are now complete. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 22:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) The nomination looks fairly complete; a reviewer should stop by within the next week or two. Shubinator (talk) 03:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
MSU Interview
Dear Shubinator,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
- Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
- Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
- All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
- All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
- The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 05:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot
was posting odd errors, perhaps due to server problems, and failed to update around 8am UTC on 12 February. Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yep, looks like connectivity issues, but worse than usual. DYKUpdateBot auto-recovered and I've restarted DYKHousekeepingBot. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Same problem around 8am UTC on 14 February. I notice the servers are not doing well these days, especially around this time and a few hours later. Materialscientist (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- This time it looks like the servers themselves were rebooted. Odd. Anyways, I've (re)started both bots. Shubinator (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Same problem around 8am UTC on 14 February. I notice the servers are not doing well these days, especially around this time and a few hours later. Materialscientist (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I saw in my watchlist that Orlady has updated manually, i.e., the bot missed the update around 16:00 17 Feb. Materialscientist (talk) 23:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Toolserver was going through hardware maintenance, so they probably rebooted willow again. Both bots back online. Shubinator (talk) 07:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- The bot did not complete the update of 8am UTC on 3 March. I known the recent wikimedia update crippled (not completely crashed) some scripts and templates. Please check what you can. Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Happy Valentine's Day!
Wilhelmina Will (talk) 10:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Scrumptious! Shubinator (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
MSU Interview
Dear Shubinator,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
- Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
- Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
- All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
- All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
- The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
16:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC) updaate by DYKUpdateBot
FYI,
DYKUpdateBot did not perform its scheduled 16:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC) update. If you get a chance, please take a look to see if there are any outstanding issues. --Allen3 talk 17:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Willow (the server DYKUpdateBot runs on) ran out of memory. Bot restarted. (Sorry for the delay, in the middle of hosting a multi-day event.) Shubinator (talk) 23:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
DYK 4th March 2012
William Bloomfield Douglas is cited has having a DYK entry on 4th March, however, it does not appear on the DYK recent additions list. Shipsview (talk) 11:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- The Recent additions page lists them by the time (UTC) they were removed from the DYK template. The Douglas hook appears in the last set under 5 March. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yup, Mandarax is right. Thanks Mandarax! Shubinator (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you - must have been inside the time lapse. Shipsview (talk) 11:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
DYK update bot failed
to update at 0 UTC 10 March (and I missed that too, Orlady updated manually). Materialscientist (talk) 04:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Some other bot functions are also not getting done. Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count has not updated in several hours. --Orlady (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Willow (the Toolserver server) got rebooted unexpectedly around 9 hours ago. Hopefully Toolserver maintenance this week will fix these issues... (Oh, and I've restarted both bots.) Shubinator (talk) 06:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
DYKcheck and page moves
DYKcheck appears to no longer detect moves from userspace. I assume this is because the format of the edit summary when making a move has changed. The edit summary used to be in the form "moved oldfilename to newfilename[: reason]" and now it's "Username moved page oldfilename to newfilename[: reason]". DYK reviewers often miss such moves, so DYKcheck pointing them out is quite useful. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yup, that would do it. I'll try to fix it by Monday. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
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- Fixed. Sorry for the delay, unexpected stuff came up this weekend. Thanks again :) Shubinator (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing that. Now I have a related request. It would be nice if DYKcheck could also handle moves from Articles for creation. For example, a user initially disapproved an article, stating that it was "over 104 days old". This surely indicates that he did use DYKcheck, which does not mention the page move. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable, I'll put it on my to-do list. Shubinator (talk) 00:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing that. Now I have a related request. It would be nice if DYKcheck could also handle moves from Articles for creation. For example, a user initially disapproved an article, stating that it was "over 104 days old". This surely indicates that he did use DYKcheck, which does not mention the page move. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed. Sorry for the delay, unexpected stuff came up this weekend. Thanks again :) Shubinator (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
DYK bot apparently failed
A DYK update was due 10 minutes ago, but the bot hasn't shown up yet. Can you kick it to make it happen? (Otherwise, we can do a manual update.) --Orlady (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Doing... Shubinator (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Bot's output doesn't show anything unusual...it just seems to have stopped working... Shubinator (talk) 19:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks much! Your bot work is wonderful. I'm afraid we take it for granted until something stops working. --Orlady (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Yeah, it's doing a good job of being an "invisible hand", and something goes wrong often enough that the regulars know the bot exists :P Shubinator (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks much! Your bot work is wonderful. I'm afraid we take it for granted until something stops working. --Orlady (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Bot's output doesn't show anything unusual...it just seems to have stopped working... Shubinator (talk) 19:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- The bot is stuck again! Please re-start. Thanks. --70.31.8.76 (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Doing. Shubinator (talk) 15:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Looks like Toolserver connectivity issues again... Shubinator (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Doing. Shubinator (talk) 15:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Dispute resolution survey
Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Shubinator. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 02:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC) |
DYKHousekeepingBot has stopped work
No updates to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count in the last 18-19 hours. --Orlady (talk) 14:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
- Restarted. Looks like willow ran out of memory... Shubinator (talk) 14:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
It's happened again. No action in the last 8 hours. --Orlady (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Restarted. This time looks like connectivity issues between Toolserver and Wikipedia. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 04:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
George Rathmann
With this recent death of this native Milwaukeean, I found the impulse to create a stub about him irresistible. I hope you will have a look and help improve it, since you've worked on ICOS. There are several articles online about him, as well as an extensive oral history interview (not, alas, online). --Orange Mike | Talk 14:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know! I'd thought of creating the article before, but didn't find the time. I'll keep it on my radar :) Shubinator (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot error
There's a DYK entry on the main page right now for Feizi, which I created, but the DYKUpdateBot for some reason did not add a DYK notice on the article talk page or give DYK credit on the user talk page, as it normally does. Could you please check it out? Thanks! --Zanhe (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like your DYK credit disappeared as collateral damage when hooks were being swapped around (by a human). I'll add the credits. Shubinator (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
DYKCheck
Thanks for making DYKCheck. It is awesome, and so, by extension, are you. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you :) Shubinator (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Germans
Hi. I found an error in the article (see photo). Copernicus was not a German, he was from Poland. --Top811 my talk —Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC).
DYKHousekeepingBot might be stuck
The last update was over four hours ago, and new hooks have been added to the nominations page in the interim, and I believe an approval or two (though I can't be sure about that). Does the bot need to be given a nudge to get going again? Thanks as always for your help (and for that bot!). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot stuck?
The queue should have been updated 50 minutes ago, but wasn't. Hadn't realized that when I added the above note. Maybe both bots need restarting? Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I'm away from my computer at the moment, so I can't access the Toolserver. I'll be back at my computer in around and hour or two and will restart both bots then. Sorry for the delay :( Shubinator (talk) 17:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting us know. I've posted a status update to the DYK talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Important note: as of not quite 15 minutes ago at 18:14 (UTC), the contents of Queue 5 were manually copied to the main page. However, the queue also remains in place—it has not been cleared—and no updates/notifications have been sent out. Please tread carefully when starting up the queue! Another admin may have come along in the interim, or things may remain as I describe them. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- I have manually done the notifications on article talk pages, but I can't figure out how to give the credits to nominators and article writers/expanders. I have updated the Template:Did You Know clock, but I seem to have messed that up. It's showing 00:00 instead of 16:00. Stopping now before I make more of a mess. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Cool, sounds good. Just got back to my computer, so I can fix anything that needs fixing. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- And there we go, everything's back to normal :) Shubinator (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Great! Thank you so very much! It's such a relief to see everything as it ought. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Great! Thank you so very much! It's such a relief to see everything as it ought. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- And there we go, everything's back to normal :) Shubinator (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Cool, sounds good. Just got back to my computer, so I can fix anything that needs fixing. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Rejected DYK: Twinings
Thanks for that. My enquiry about DYK noms where the nom process had not been completed was largely ignored. How many other untranscluded noms have slipped through? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- A decent few. I'm doing what the bot does to find old noms; taking the noms here, discarding the ones that are still on T:TDYK, and evaluating the rest for rejection. Yeah, the bot intentionally doesn't reject old noms, and there's no official process for cleaning them out. Occasionally someone goes through; I know Rjanag did a pass when the bot was going through BRfA. Shubinator (talk) 16:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Possible Queue 6 late substitution or addition
You an administrator who is quite active at WP:DYK, so I wanted to call your attention to a particularly timely hook for the next queue Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Possible_Queue_6_late_substitution_or_addition. You may want to make a late addition or substitution.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Engvar
Hi Shub. Some time ago you were asked to apply an editprotected template at the U2 article. It is evident that there has been some misunderstanding as another English variant had been used at this page, as evidenced from the template still at the article TP. However the misunderstanding arose, the consensus seems in favour of restoring the former variant and replacing the current template. Perhaps you would care to comment at Talk:U2#Flagcruft. Regards. RashersTierney (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- Replied there. Shubinator (talk) 01:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. RashersTierney (talk) 10:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
DYKCheck option, perhaps
Is there an option that can be added to the individual user's .js script that would enable DYKCheck to specifically check for inline citations for all paragraphs in an article? That is to say, that if an entire paragraph had no citations, the checker would put that in its summary? Maile66 (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
- Replied at WT:DYK. Sorry for the delay; I was traveling and had less Internet access than I'd hoped. Shubinator (talk) 05:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot failed to update 2 hours ago
Hi: I looked at the template for Queue 5 and removed characters amidst the admin's signature, but I don't see anything in the bot's contribs indicating it has sent out a distress call and I have no idea how these things work, including whether what I found was the problem. Hoping you are online ... Yngvadottir (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
- Looking into it. Shubinator (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
- Both bots back online. Thanks for the notice! Shubinator (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot seems to be down
At least, if it's the one that updates the list of total DYK nominations and approved DYK nominations. It appears to have made its last update on Saturday, June 23 at 12:55 UTC.
Thanks for anything you can do to get it going again. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've started the bot up again. Looks like more connectivity difficulties between Toolserver and Wikipedia... Shubinator (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! Good to have it back. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! Good to have it back. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Looks like it's down again, after a week of good service. Last update was Monday, July 2 at 21:12 UTC. Given the problems that Wikipedia has had today in terms of availability, I'm not surprised about any connectivity difficulties. Fortunately, DYKUpdateBot was still working at the subsequent midnight (UTC) update. Thanks in advance for getting it running again. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've started it back up again. Yeah, looks like connectivity issues. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 04:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Selfish reason on my part: it saves me time to see which dates have approved DYK noms, since there are so few right now (17 of 191 total). So thank you for starting it up! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- No problem :) Shubinator (talk) 04:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Selfish reason on my part: it saves me time to see which dates have approved DYK noms, since there are so few right now (17 of 191 total). So thank you for starting it up! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
GA bot
Hi Shubinator. Viriditas suggested I ask your opinion on creating a way to track Good article reviews. I have already started a conersation at User talk:Scottywong#Tools for good articles. If you can help out that would be great. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 11:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I don't have enough spare time at the moment to take on a new project. Shubinator (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Could DYK script add support for AfC?
Could your DYK check script be tweaked so that if an article was moved from a page starting with "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/" within the last five days it would show as eligible for DYK (assuming it met the other requirements)? And the same thing for one being moved from the User: namespace (if it doesn't have this function already). David1217 What I've done 03:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- The script already checks for moves from userspace. It shouldn't be difficult to tweak it to encompass AfC as well; I'll try to get to it in the next few days. Shubinator (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! David1217 What I've done 06:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Done. The AfC move check shares the same limitations as the existing userspace move check; the script will delve into the history 100 revisions to hunt for a move. If, for example, the article has been edited 150 times after the move but is still eligible for DYK, the nominator should mention that. Shubinator (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! (I had also previously requested this above). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- *facepalm* Sorry, with all the mayhem in the past few months it slipped my mind... Shubinator (talk) 04:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Absolutely no need to apologize. It was definitely not urgent. And you've done so much to help DYK! I can barely even imagine how DYK could work without your tools and bots. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 04:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Absolutely no need to apologize. It was definitely not urgent. And you've done so much to help DYK! I can barely even imagine how DYK could work without your tools and bots. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- *facepalm* Sorry, with all the mayhem in the past few months it slipped my mind... Shubinator (talk) 04:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! (I had also previously requested this above). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Done. The AfC move check shares the same limitations as the existing userspace move check; the script will delve into the history 100 revisions to hunt for a move. If, for example, the article has been edited 150 times after the move but is still eligible for DYK, the nominator should mention that. Shubinator (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! David1217 What I've done 06:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Kiev Pechersk Lavra (General).jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Kiev Pechersk Lavra (General).jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Moonsault Scramble (Fuji-Q Highland).jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Moonsault Scramble (Fuji-Q Highland).jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- The image was deleted on Commons [4], thus I deleted what remained of it here. Materialscientist (talk) 09:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Detecting DYK image protection
Have a look here. The claim is DYK bot doesn't properly detect image protection. I'm not 100% sure it is correct, as the images in question were cascade protected when I've got to them. Materialscientist (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- Replied there. By this point the bot often (correctly) sees things I don't, so I'm inclined to trust it. Allowing unprotected images on the main page is a serious issue though, so if it is happening, hopefully I can get some more specifics and fix it. Shubinator (talk) 03:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot looks to be confused
Earlier today there was an outage of the Wikimedia servers (#wikimedia-tech was reporting a fiber cut affecting the Tampa data center). Apparently the corrective actions involved some DNS updates to bypass the affected physical network links. DYKUpdateBot does not appear to be fully functional at the moment and probably needs to either be restarted or otherwise forced to perform another DNS looks to update its network connection to the servers in Tampa. --Allen3 talk 16:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting. The bot log is showing connectivity issues for the 16:00 update, but the bot reset itself after your manual update. Looks like everything's back to normal. Shubinator (talk) 03:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
More bot trouble
Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count has not been updated for several hours. Does DYKHousekeepingBot need a swift kick in the backside? --Orlady (talk) 05:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Sorry for the delay; I should've checked on DYKHousekeepingBot while I was looking into DYKUpdateBot... Shubinator (talk) 03:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Step 3 of the DYN nomination procedure
Done I put
{{Template:Did you know nominations/Gelindo Bordin}}
under the date at the top of the section;Done And now, I put the same template in the article talk page.
What's still missing? --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like there was a mix-up on the noms page where the August 11th Olympics section was accidentally deleted. Orlady fixed it. Shubinator (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
DYK for cognitive vulnerability
Hey! This nomination template has been looked over and since the reviewer suggested a hook, ONLY THE HOOK needs to be looked over by another new reviewer. The rest of the article has been surely taken care of. If you have the time to just check it out, please do so. Thanks. Khyati Gupta (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Americium.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Americium.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Bowery Theatre, New York City.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Bowery Theatre, New York City.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot bug
DYKUpdateBot isn't recognising redirected pages; see [5]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like it became broken a while ago. I've fixed it and restarted the bot. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:First Class Restaurant of the SS Kaiser Wilhelm II.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:First Class Restaurant of the SS Kaiser Wilhelm II.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Sphaeromimus.JPG
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A tag has been placed on File:Sphaeromimus.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot failed to update 1 hour ago
Hi Shubinator, I hope you are around ... the bot did not update, and I can't see any mistake with my use of the formula this time (which isn't to say there isn't one). I will update the Main Page manually. Eek! Help, please! Yngvadottir (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- The required image protection was not performed. The problem was reported at User:DYKUpdateBot/Errors in a 14:05 (UTC) message from the bot. The bot's refusal to load an unprotected image is an intentional feature to prevent vandals from sneaking inappropriate images on to the Main page. --Allen3 talk 17:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Allen3's correct. Looks like the image is still unprotected, and now on the Main Page. I'll run over and protect it. Shubinator (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- [edit conflict] I see. Before doing the manual update, I had checked and seen cascade protection listed on the image page, but then I remembered the bot errors page and saw that edit; only the bot overwrote it after the scheduled update time with an error message about the image for the next queue. In case the bot had merely moved on to the next scheduled update rather than rechecking and seeing that cascade protection had belatedly happened, I left a panicky message on PumpkinSky's talkpage and he protected the image at Commons. It turns out my suspicion was correct and the bot overwrites error messages without their having become no longer valid. Eek. I think I need to look at an example to see what cascade protection actually looks like when it has happened. In case this happens again and I am again the first one to notice. But it would be nice if the error messages were not overwritten but became a list if earlier ones were still valid. ......... I thought PumpkinSky protected it on Commons?! Yngvadottir (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Not quite true. If the bot encounters errors during crediting (or in general during the update), it will wipe the error later even if it hasn't been resolved. If the bot encounters an error in its pre-update checks, it will wait until the error has been resolved. Let's go through this update step-by-step.
- File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was the image in queue 2. Half an hour before the update, DYKUpdateBot performed its pre-update checks, and noticed the image in the next set (queue 2) wasn't protected. It then edited /Errors.
- You noticed the bot hadn't updated, and manually updated DYK. During this process, you changed Template:Did you know/Queue/Next since the next set is now queue 3.
- The bot then performed a pre-update check after you had changed the next queue number but before you had reset the time. So the bot did a pre-update check on queue 3, then spat out an error about the queue 3 image.
- You then left a message on PumpkinSky's talk page about the bot's error messages. He went over to /Errors, saw the error message about the image in queue 3, and protected the image in queue 3 at Commons. However, he didn't realize the image that was in queue 2 (and now on the Main Page) was also unprotected.
- Long story short the bot doesn't validate DYK sets *already on the Main Page*, only the next set. Hopefully that was clear...let me know if you have questions. (Oh, and if you want to see what cascade protection looks like, head over to File:Păstorel postcard.jpg; I didn't manually protect it.) Shubinator (talk) 19:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like there was another element of confusion: the cascade protection for File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was delayed. This is a known issue, but unlikely to be fixed any time soon (it's in the Mediawiki code). I'm guessing File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was listed at Commons:Auto-protected files/wikipedia/en, which is why you thought it was cascade protected. Cascade protection can take a while to kick in though. How do you tell if an image is actually cascade-protected? Try to edit it. If it's cascade-protected, you'll see a pink warning message. And trust the bot when it says an image isn't protected. Worst case scenario, the bot is wrong, and you wasted a few minutes by manually protecting it. Best case scenario, the bot is right, and you didn't put an unprotected file on the Main Page. (And I haven't seen it be wrong about image protection in a *long* time.) Shubinator (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I was going to say; I was aware cascade protection is often delayed, but I was acting over an hour after the update should have happened. And asked PumpkinSky after I'd seen he had fixed the Queue 3 image on Commons (hence it was likely he was still editing and would see my message). OK, next time I will try to edit it. I've been going by whether it says cascadeprotection. Thanks again - my fault, no question about it. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- No worries; no harm done. If a Commons admin isn't around, you can upload a copy of the image to English Wikipedia under the same filename and manually protect it here. Shubinator (talk) 19:19, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I was going to say; I was aware cascade protection is often delayed, but I was acting over an hour after the update should have happened. And asked PumpkinSky after I'd seen he had fixed the Queue 3 image on Commons (hence it was likely he was still editing and would see my message). OK, next time I will try to edit it. I've been going by whether it says cascadeprotection. Thanks again - my fault, no question about it. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like there was another element of confusion: the cascade protection for File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was delayed. This is a known issue, but unlikely to be fixed any time soon (it's in the Mediawiki code). I'm guessing File:Păstorel postcard.jpg was listed at Commons:Auto-protected files/wikipedia/en, which is why you thought it was cascade protected. Cascade protection can take a while to kick in though. How do you tell if an image is actually cascade-protected? Try to edit it. If it's cascade-protected, you'll see a pink warning message. And trust the bot when it says an image isn't protected. Worst case scenario, the bot is wrong, and you wasted a few minutes by manually protecting it. Best case scenario, the bot is right, and you didn't put an unprotected file on the Main Page. (And I haven't seen it be wrong about image protection in a *long* time.) Shubinator (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Not quite true. If the bot encounters errors during crediting (or in general during the update), it will wipe the error later even if it hasn't been resolved. If the bot encounters an error in its pre-update checks, it will wait until the error has been resolved. Let's go through this update step-by-step.
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Caylua.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:Caylua.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:Zmajski most-Ljubljana.JPG
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A tag has been placed on File:Zmajski most-Ljubljana.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 15:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
DYKHousekeepingBot seems to be stalled
The bot hasn't run in the past two hours, despite article promotions and the like that occurred during the period that should have triggered a revised list of numbers of approved hooks per date. Can you please give it a tap to get it going again? Many thanks. (I know we don't say this often enough, but thank you so much for the bot and the listings it provides: it's a wonderful thing to have.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Away from my computer :( But I'll start it up once I'm back. And it's good to know the bots are appreciated :) Shubinator (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! Whenever you get back to your computer will be great. The timing is what it is. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Done :) Shubinator (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! Whenever you get back to your computer will be great. The timing is what it is. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
The bot appears to have stopped right after the new day began (according to UTC, that is). It may or may not have something to do with the end of summer time in Europe, but it has been over four hours since the last update. Many thanks for anything you can do to get the bot back to work. (Did it sneak out to do some early trick or treating?) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- And three minutes later, it ran. Of course, it could be that there was just no activity to cause the thing to wake up in those four hours. If that's the case, my apologies for the false alarm. Either way, it's great to have a new list of available approved hooks by day... BlueMoonset (talk) 04:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, the bot log shows the bot didn't find anything new to report. No worries :) Shubinator (talk) 05:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
No plots
Hello,
could you add a bot function that ignores the plot summary? There was a consensus on WT:DYK that plot should not be counted. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 15:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
- The claimed consensus is premature; please do not do this until there is actually consensus. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
- Replied at WT:DYK. From my perspective as a DYK-er, in the past reviewers have exercised their own judgment on article length, so it wasn't much of an issue. If the plot section looked normal, good; if it looked bloated, the reviewer would ask the nominator to balance out the article. Reviewers can (and should) still exercise their own judgment on article length. Shubinator (talk) 02:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of File:SS Konigin Luise.jpg
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A tag has been placed on File:SS Konigin Luise.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.
If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Technical Barnstar |
For creating and maintaining DYKHousekeeperBot, which has twice now reminded me that I failed to transclude a DYK nomination after going to the trouble of working it up, I award you this barnstar and my thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC) |
- Cool, thank you! I'm always happy to know my bots are appreciated :) Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
DYK Check and footnotes
I just noticed that the text in a footnote does not get counted for DYK when it is formatted like
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- {{efn|An explanation of a point that will appear as a footnote}}
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- {{notes}}
See South Bastion, Gibraltar for an example. I am not sure if that is right or wrong. Is it deliberate or accidental? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- It's not deliberate per se, but it makes sense given what counts as prose and what doesn't. Lists, quotes, and references don't count as prose, and footnotes are similar. Shubinator (talk) 14:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- ^ The decision to put a chunk of text in a footnote presumably indicates that the author does not think it is central to the article.
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- Yeah, it's borderline, like lists. In some cases it's unclear whether a chunk of text would be better in a list or not. At the end of the day it's up to the reviewer; we've had articles under 1500 promoted and over 1500 rejected. Shubinator (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
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DYKHousekeepingBot has not performed an update since 11:44, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like DYKHousekeepingBot has had a hiccup. Could you perform a reset at your next convenience? --Allen3 talk 00:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Looks like generic connection issues. Thanks for letting me know! Shubinator (talk) 00:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Why?
I am the nominator of Brand New Me DYK as you can see there. Why I wasn't informed that the DYK made on the main page? — Tomíca(T2ME) 16:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- Your creator template was removed, but it was not replaced with a nominator credit for you. I've now placed a nomination credit on your talk page. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Mandarax! Shubinator (talk) 02:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Again, this is not the real hook. I guess you have to change it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like that's the hook on the main page. What's the real hook? Shubinator (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- This says into the nomination itself. I don't know what really happened actually. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Going through the history, the hook was changed while it was in prep 1. Shubinator (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Can' believe it. Who did that? What was wrong with the previous one? -_- — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Gatoclass did, you'll have to ask him. Keep in mind hooks are often tweaked while waiting to go live on the main page. Shubinator (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Can' believe it. Who did that? What was wrong with the previous one? -_- — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Going through the history, the hook was changed while it was in prep 1. Shubinator (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- This says into the nomination itself. I don't know what really happened actually. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like that's the hook on the main page. What's the real hook? Shubinator (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Again, this is not the real hook. I guess you have to change it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Mandarax! Shubinator (talk) 02:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Eugene Turenne Gregorie
The bot missed crediting me for the DYK. It came late in the process. Please assist. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- It's not a bot issue. Whoever added you forgot to also create a DYKmake template for you within the nomination template. Without that template, the bot did what it was supposed to do. It isn't enough to be added to that created/expanded line. I'm not sure who's responsible for that: the person who originally added you, the person who promoted the hook to a prep area, or the person who sets up the queue when moving the prep area to the queue. One of them is ultimately responsible for putting that credit on your talk page, probably the admin who set up the queue. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and credited you. However, judging by this edit, you had left that decision up to the promoting admin, and the promoting admin did not add in a credit for you. Granted, there's a high chance the promoting admin didn't read that comment in the first place. Shubinator (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Carl Breer
DYKUpdateBot (talk | contribs) (Giving DYK credit for Carl Breer on behalf of Graeme Bartlett) he bot missed crediting me for the DYK. It came late in the process. Please assist. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- As BlueMoonset explained above, this is not a bot issue. This edit shows you left the decision up to the promoter. If you'd like to pursue this further, ask the editor who promoted the article (who in this case is BlueMoonset). Shubinator (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- This one made me uncomfortable at the time: not only was the reviewer proposing and approving an ALT hook, which is completely against the rules (no one is allowed to approve their own hook), but had made a veritable avalanche of edits before, during, and after the review. In this case, I thought it was a borderline conflict of interest, which is one reason I went with the original hook, spent extra time doing promotion doublechecks, and why I wasn't enthusiastic about adding a DYKmake template under the circumstances, despite a habit of giving a considerable amount of deference to the article's creator. Under the circumstances, I think I'm going to let the credit stand as issued: to the original creator only. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- The article creator thought it appropriate, perhaps due to the "avalanche" of edits. The promoter didn't. I recognize the conflict issue. The article deserved promotion, and was well documented and worthwhile. ALT 1 was also a far better alternative hook that was amply supported by the on line WP:RS, something that you thought not worthwhile. I was trying to work off an obligation to do 30 DYK reviews, and continue to do that. I expected you to use your judgment and discretion. I defer to the promoter. No worries. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:05, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- This one made me uncomfortable at the time: not only was the reviewer proposing and approving an ALT hook, which is completely against the rules (no one is allowed to approve their own hook), but had made a veritable avalanche of edits before, during, and after the review. In this case, I thought it was a borderline conflict of interest, which is one reason I went with the original hook, spent extra time doing promotion doublechecks, and why I wasn't enthusiastic about adding a DYKmake template under the circumstances, despite a habit of giving a considerable amount of deference to the article's creator. Under the circumstances, I think I'm going to let the credit stand as issued: to the original creator only. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the bot is sleeping – both bots!
It's been a few hours since the bot last updated, and since I've approved at least one hook in the interim, it ought to have caught that. Can you wake it up and get it back on line? Many thanks, Shubinator. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Shubinator, I should have been clear: when I initially posted, I thought it was only DYKHousekeepingBot, but it's DYKUpdateBot as well, which missed an update about 50 minutes ago and I didn't notice at the time. I'm much more worried about the latter than the former, so please check that first. Hope you're around and can see this soon!!! Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've brought both bots back online. Sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for awakening them and giving them breakfast. :-) Materialscientist did a manual update a couple of hours late, but now no one will need to be around for the next one, and the bot will tell us if no one has promoted a prep to queue, which is happening more often than I like these days. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- No problem, thank you for letting me know :) Over the past few months I've had a bit more time on my hands, so I may be able to help out more. We'll see... Shubinator (talk)
- Thank you so much for awakening them and giving them breakfast. :-) Materialscientist did a manual update a couple of hours late, but now no one will need to be around for the next one, and the bot will tell us if no one has promoted a prep to queue, which is happening more often than I like these days. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've brought both bots back online. Sorry for the delay. Shubinator (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Can you set the DYKUpdateBot to run only twice a day starting now?
Shubinator, I think we need to go to twice-a-day DYK sets from thrice-a-day DYK sets—every 12 hours from every 8 hours. Is there anything I need to do from my end (I'm not an admin, so my options are limited), or can you handle it all from there?
We've just had Orlady do a (late) emergency queue-and-main page load because admins are very thin on the ground, we have 22 approved hooks to fill 48 empty slots, and I've done 12 of the last 13 or 14 prep sets myself. Under the circumstances, I have no qualms whatever about asking for the change until we can get approvals up and more regular attention from admins.
By the way, if you can, please also clear out Queue 3, which is the source of the hooks currently on the main page (and that will be there until 11:04 UTC). Incidentally, if you want to change 11:04 UTC to 12:00 UTC so the two-a-day sets start running at noon and midnight UTC, please be my guest.
Thank you very much. I appreciate your help, and hope this gets to you in time to implement. If not, I may have to shift around some prep sets: I'm going to be building the new ones to the new schedule. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Adding: bet you didn't think I'd take you up on your offer to help out quite so soon... ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
And I should probably make it clear, though I suspect you've figured it out: while Orlady adjusted the times, she doesn't seem to have updated the queues: it's Prep 2, which needs to be moved into Queue 4, that's the one that should update at 11:04 or 12:00. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Final update: queues were updated, sort of: Queue 3 got cleared out so it no longer had what was on the main page, but then got reloaded with Prep 2. So there is a queue loaded with new hooks and ready for the bot to pick up, just not the queue number I expected would be. Let me know whether you have succeeded in changing the frequency. We now have 19 approved hooks to fill 42 empty slots, which is not much of an improvement; I've built the two prep sets so they should work with the new two-a-day frequency. Thanks for your patience. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
- Done, I've made the change to 12-hour updates. I left queue 3 as-is; no need to reshuffle just to maintain the queue sequence numbers. And I've also adjusted the timing to fall on noon and midnight UTC :) Shubinator (talk) 07:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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- You're great. Thank you so much. Now to do something about this insomnia... BlueMoonset (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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