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Article | Anthony Flew |
Status | closed |
Request date | 23:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC) |
Requesting party | Unknown |
Parties involved | Hyperdeath (talk · contribs) Jeff5102 (talk · contribs) Khamosh (talk · contribs) Mange01 (talk · contribs) |
Mediator(s) | Xavexgoem (talk) |
Comment | Closing case, seems to be no issues anymore |
[[Category:Wikipedia Medcab closed cases|Anthony Flew]][[Category:Wikipedia medcab maintenance|Anthony Flew]]
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Request details
Who are the involved parties?
Hyperdeath (talk · contribs) Jeff5102 (talk · contribs) Khamosh (talk · contribs) (who is often logged out, and has static IP address 141.219.80.241) Mange01 (talk · contribs)
What's going on?
Users Hyperdeath (talk · contribs) and Jeff5102 (talk · contribs) feel that the article is unduly dismissive of the claims that Anthony Flew has mentally declined and is being used as a mouthpiece by Roy Varghese. Users Khamosh (talk · contribs) and Mange01 (talk · contribs) disagree.
Particular points of conflict include:
- The use of the phrase "some of them going as far as". (Hyperdeath and Jeff5102 feel that this paints the critics as an extreme fringe.)
- The use of the phrase "Flew has defended himself against this criticism" in the lead section. (Khamosh and Mange01 feel that this is needed for balance, whilst Hyperdeath feels that it is essentially meaningless, as Flew isn't is a position to defend himself.)
- The use of the phrase "critics" versus "some atheists" in the lead section to describe proponents of the Flew-has-mentally-declined theory. (Hyperdeath, Jeff5102 and Mange01 favour the latter phrasing, pointing to sources that suggest that critic Mark Oppenheimer in a practising Jew. Khamosh favours the latter phrase.)
- The use of the word "comical" in the sentence "In addition, he rejected Richard Dawkins' comical effort to argue in The God Delusion that the origin of life can be attributed to a 'lucky chance'." (Hyperdeath, Jeff5102 and Mange01 all regard this as inappropriate. Khamosh wishes to retain it, and has unilaterally removed the POV tag that previously marked the word.)
What would you like to change about that?
Add more voices to the discussion. Things seem to be going round in circles.
Mediator notes
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Hi. I have opened this case. [roux » x] 23:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC) A few ground rules:
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the above was collapsed, as that was another mediator's suggestion. However, it's a good one with good ground rules, so I suggest folks sign it anyway. However, I will not edit comments or statements made by others, nor do I require that all parties agree with the outcome (since the outcome is consensus anyway ;-) The stuff about brevity and personal attacks is very good, though.
Administrative notes
User:Roux has left WP for good, it seems... is this still in dispute, or do you think I can close? Xavexgoem (talk) 08:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC) will close in 3 without reply
- Can't it be transferred to a different mediator? — Hyperdeath(Talk) 12:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)