- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 23:44, 6 January 2009 [1].
List of Texas Rangers managers
previous FLC (11:13, 3 August 2008)
I have edited the article since its failed FLC, and I think it meets standards. This follows my format from List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim managers and List of Seattle Mariners managers. Thanks for the comments in advance. --LAAFansign review 05:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For reference [3], I believe {{citenews}} would be a better template to use rather than {{citeweb}} since ESPN, a news network, is the publisher. Don't forget to include "author=Associated Press" and "date=2006-11-08" to the template. Done
- There's a problem with the table. "Reference" is where "Awards" is supposed to be, etc. Done
- ESPN is linked in one of the references, but why isn't Baseball-Reference linked in the others? Done Removed ESPN link.
- "Statistics are accurate through the 2007 MLB season." – I think it would make more sense to add that to the "Managers" section than the "Key" section. Done
— RyanCross @ 06:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Killervogel5
- Replace the en-dashes used for blanks with em-dashes.
- Baseball-reference.com is not a publisher; it is a work. The publisher is Sports Reference LLC. All of the B-R references need to be changed.
- In the lead, link playoffs to "Playoffs#Playoffs in Major League Baseball."
- "Ted Williams is the only Rangers manager to have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame." - reference
- The asterisk does not appear bold in the table so it should not be bold in the key.
- "GC-games coached" should be "GM-games managed", since coaches and managers in baseball are distinct.
- There is no general managers' table or information in the article (list) itself, so that information should be removed from the lead. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This should be updated to include the 2008 season since it is complete.
- You discuss very few managerial superlatives or anything of that nature in the lead. See List of Philadelphia Phillies managers or List of Minnesota Twins managers for examples. An overview of franchise history is important as well considering the team's move.
- "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." - needs a reference. Who says they were "interim"?
- Removed and moved to talk page until ref is found.
- "it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season." - by whom? This needs a reference or the wording should be altered.
- There is no sorting. There is also no reference at all to pennants or championships won.
- Table rows should be able to stand alone, so all years in the table should be linked, and there should be a line in the key table explaining that years are linked to the corresponding Senators'/Rangers' season.
- Additionally (KV5)
- The "focus on interim managers" that was never addressed in the previous FLC is still present and should have been fixed before any re-nom was attempted.
Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll try to complete some of these. Give me some time. RyanCross @ 22:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've done as much as I can for now. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - many prose problems that goes against WP:WIAFL
- There have been 23 managers in the history of the Texas Rangers Major League Baseball franchise. - this should not be the opening sentence, the following sentence should open the list.
- The Rangers are based in Arlington, Texas and are members of the American League West division. - this should be reworded as The Rangers are an American baseball franchise based in Arlington, Texas. They are members of the American League West division.
- The Rangers franchise was formed in 1961 as a member of the American League. - that's it? There needs to be more explained on their history, what happened after this? Who currently owns the team, the venue they play at, etc (more on their history)
- Mickey Vernon became the first manager of the Texas Rangers, then called the Washington Senators, in 1961, serving for just over two seasons. - the part about them being called the Senators should be in the first paragraph
- Bobby Valentine has managed more games and seasons than any other coach in Rangers history. - So? What was the record?
- The only Rangers manager to make it to the playoffs in October is Johnny Oates, who won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers. --->The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs was Johnny Oates, who also won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers.
- In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired. The interim manager chosen was Eddie Yost. - how about merging these...In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired and replaced by interim manager Eddie Yost.
- One game later, Yost was replaced by Gil Hodges. - why? This leaves the reader in question.
- In 1973, manager Whitey Herzog was replaced by Del Wilber. One game later, Billy Martin took over the role of manager. - why? Who appointed him, why was he appointed, same applies to the above sentence
- After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season. - this just stands out because in the previous sentence you say that Martin was replaced by Stanky, so where did Ryan come from?
- Billy Hunter took over the role of manager, only to replaced in the midseason by Pat Corrales. - add a be before replaced
- In 1982, Don Zimmer's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Darrell Johnson midseason. - add as his replacement during the midseason after Darrell Johnson.
- In 1985, after years of losing seasons, Doug Rader was replaced by Bobby Valentine. Valentine was later replaced midseason by Toby Harrah. --> In 1985, after Doug Rader led the Rangers to (exact number of seasons) losing seasons, he was replaced by Bobby Valentine, who in turn was replaced by Toby Harrah during the midseason.
- In 2001, Johnny Oates's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Jerry Narron midseason. - ++as his replacement during the midseason after Narron's name.
- The current manager of the Texas Rangers is Ron Washington, who has led the team since 2007. - ++managed not led
- The color on the fifth entry should only cover his name, not the whole row per previous passed FLCs
- See List of Philadelphia Phillies managers for an example of an FL prose.
- Footnotes need to be added to the article as seen in the above FL
- The table says that statistics are correct as of the 2007 season, yet the 2008 season just occurred, so it needs to be updated.SRX 00:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
- "The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs"-->The only Rangers manager to have led the team to the playoffs...
- "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." "thirteen"-->13.
- "After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan"-->After six games, it was decided that Connie Ryan...
- Add a note about each year link in the "Term" column being linked that team's season—see List of Houston Astros managers.
- The placeholding 0s before the decimal points are unnecessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - All issues resolved. Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from NatureBoyMD
- (image caption) "Ron Washington (left),
thecurrent manager of the Rangers"
- "Frank Lucchesi" should be linked in the prose.
- There are five instances of the term "the midseason." The mid season isn't a specific time in a season like the pre-season or the post-season. The only way "the midseason" might be correct is if you meant at the All-Star break (even then, you should specify at the All-Star break). Try replacing "the midseson" with just "midseason" or a specific date or just a month.
-NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]