- Siberian Republic (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
This article is not only restored in Russian Wikipedia (ru:Сибирская республика and ru:Википедия:К восстановлению/18 февраля 2013#Сибирская республика), but also got the status of a good article there (ru:Википедия:Добротные статьи and ru:Википедия:Кандидаты в добротные статьи/22 апреля 2015#Сибирская республика). On this topic the following is found:
- http://www.dissercat.com/content/protsessy-suverenizatsii-v-sibiri-fevral-1917-1923-gg
- http://sun.tsu.ru/mminfo/000063105/323/image/323-174.pdf
- http://oldvak.ed.gov.ru/common/img/uploaded/files/vak/announcements/yuridicheskie/NikitinAN.doc
- http://www.archive.org/details/sibirsoiuznikiik01guinuoft
- http://www.dissercat.com/content/programmnye-ustanovki-i-politicheskaya-praktika-kadetov-sibiri 245
- http://www.dissercat.com/content/vzglyady-oblastnikov-na-sotsialno-ekonomicheskoe-i-obshchestvenno-politicheskoe-razvitie-sib 241
- http://www.dissercat.com/content/otechestvennaya-istoriografiya-sibirskogo-oblastnichestva-60-e-gody-xix-veka-20-e-gody-xx-ve 493
- http://www.dissercat.com/content/buryatskaya-diaspora-v-mongolii-etapy-formirovaniya-i-razvitiya
- http://www.lib.ua-ru.net/diss/cont/64587.html
--Vyacheslav84 (talk) 11:45, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Can someone summarize the above wall of text in English please? Stifle (talk) 15:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Stifle: I removed the Russian and left the English. The gist of it seems to be that the topic is notable and should be restored. However, DRV isn't the place to make notability arguments, the question is whether the AFD (from 2013) was properly closed.
- Endorse but also Relist at AFD, since the last one was over 4 years ago, and things can change. The article isn't deleted, there's a fleshed-out article in the history now, but it's been converted to a redirect. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- So I propose to restore a separate article as having significance (see Russian version of the article) --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In general, citations from references were important for understanding the significance of an article. --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse. Good close. Further discussions and decisions should occur at the redirect target talk page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- So I propose to restore a separate article as having significance (see Russian version of the article) --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep article. The Russians are in a much better position to evaluate the reliability of sources, notability, etc. Knox490 (talk) 02:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Knox490: could you clarify your intent?. The AfD was closed as a redirect. Given that, I'm not sure what you mean by Keep article. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it would be better to have an article than a redirect. Knox490 (talk) 06:02, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Approximate translation:
- 1. Sovereignization Processes in Siberia (February 1917-1923) § 4.1. Formation of the Siberian statehood and its liquidation - the theme of the thesis and the author's abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission. [07: 02.02.02]. Higher Attestation Commission in the Russia) doctor of historical sciences Sokko, Alexey Vladimirovich. Taken from http://rudocs.exdat.com/docs/index-172947.html Writes: In the first paragraph "Education of the Siberian statehood and its elimination" shows the process of the formation of the Siberian republic, governed mainly by the provincial Siberian government. The ideology of regionalism was the ideological basis for the creation of a new state." Sushko Writes in the "§ 4.1. Formation of the Siberian statehood and its liquidation":" The formation of the Siberian republic in the summer of 1918, and later its liquidation testifies to the reversibility of the process of formation of civil indentity and its transformation into nationalism. Having survived incomplete half a year, the Siberian statehood left behind a small number of few supporters." The text is in the Russian State Library and I can send it by e-mail (Scanned text). --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 2. SIBERIAN NATIONALISM AND Struggle for power in the province (MARCH 1917 - NOVEMBER 1918) - also Sushko. In this source "The overthrow of the power of the Soviets and the subsequent declaration by the Provisional Siberian Government of the Declaration on State Independence of Siberia on July 4, 1918, determined the transition of regionalism to the status of state ideology. A future historian should unequivocally point out that in 1918 there was an independent Siberian republic, GK recalled. Hins [26. 121]. At the heart of the state ideology of Siberia could lie only Siberian patriotism, promoted by the provinces. <> With the formation of the Provisional All-Russian Government - Directories, Siberian nationalists agreed to self-destruct the Siberian republic, t. Believed that "it was impossible to go to Moscow with regional slogans" [33. P. 22]. With the appearance of the declaration of November 3, 1918 "On the transfer of supreme power in the territory of Siberia to the Provisional All-Russian Government," Siberian nationalism loses its political significance." --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 3. Nikitin Alexey Nikolaevich . Statehood of "white" Russia: formation, evolution, wreck (1918-1920): Abstract of the dissertation Doktor nauk in the Jurisprudence: 12.00.01 - [Template:M used without a valid code. See documentation.]: Moscow University of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, 2007 . Quotes "In the second paragraph" Autonomous Siberia: parliamentarism or authoritarianism ", the process of forming statehood in Siberia is being investigated ....The next extremely important measure aimed at strengthening the statehood of the Siberian region was the declaration of the Provisional Siberian Government of July 4, 1918, "On State Independence of Siberia." This act proclaimed international personality, unlimited and independent state power, headed by the Provisional Siberian Government." --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 4. K. Hins. Siberia, the Allies and Kolchak. Volume 1 - A future historian should unequivocally point out that in 1918 there was an independent Siberian republic for 4 months." --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 5. Chronicle of regional movement in Siberia (1852-1919). Quotation 1918, July 4. Omsk. The Provisional Siberian Government adopted the Declaration on the State Independence of Siberia. (GARF, F.5871, Op.1.D.92.L.8.). ru:Декларация Временного Сибирского правительства о государственной самостоятельности Сибири. --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- By the way, AV Sushko's works on Siberian separatism are used in the theses of other authors. 180. Sushko, A.B. The processes of sovereignization of the peoples of Siberia during the Civil War. Omsk: Omsk State Technical University, 2009. - 334 p., 2. 245. Sushko, A.V. The Process of Sovereignization of the Peoples of Siberia in the Years of the Civil War Text. : Monograph / A. V. Sushko. Omsk: OmGTU, 2009.-336 p., 3. 241. Sushko A.V. Regional rule and state power in Siberia (March 1917-November 1918) // Social and political life of Siberia. XX century. Interuniversity collection of scientific papers. -Novosibirsk: Science, 2004. Issue. 6. - P. 54 - 68., 4. Xx-ve 493. Sushko AV The National Question in the Periodical Press of Western Siberia (March 1917 November 1918): Dis. Cand. East. Sciences. -Omsk, 2002.-270 p. 494. Sushko AV Siberian Social-Democratic Periodicals on the Autonomy of Siberia and Siberian Province (March 1917, November 1918) // Social Democracy: Revolution and Evolution. - Omsk, 2003. - Part 1.- С. 95-102. 5. Among recent works, the publications of the Omsk researcher A. V. Sushko, devoted to different aspects of the formation of the Buryat Community in Mongolia, in particular, the coverage of the role of the Buryat intelligentsia in the pan-Mongolian movement and the Buryat-Russian conflicts on the territory of Transbaikalia during the revolution and civil war. I also draw attention to the list of publications here http://www.peeep.us/f8f6a974, and Also on http://elibrary.ru/item.asp?id=13855828. I also draw attention to this quotation. "In addition, temporary state formations are not limited to only individual governments that operated in one area or another. The concept of "state formations" is much broader, it includes among other things other subjects of political activity - parties, society, individual citizens - and they can not be ignored when studying agrarian policy. "- http: //www.lib.ua- Ru.net/diss/cont/64587.html --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 13:55, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- So I can restore the article itself or need an administrator's solution? --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse but have a Russian speaker review the article to make sure it meets Wikipedia’s guidelines as far as notability/reliable sources. desmay (talk) 01:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I am also fine with directly restoring the article to mainspace without prejudice against any editor bringing the article to AfD. Cunard (talk) 05:27, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Good. WP:AfD is not cleanup. We have an interested author right here and now who can work on the sources. AfD is for deleting never-appropriate articles, not for article building recruitment, although that happens in practice (WP:ARS). Let him have at least a week, and then allow any editor to renominate at AfD if it is not looking fixed. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Renzoy16: could you clarify your intent?. The AfD was closed as a redirect. Given that, I'm not sure what you mean by Keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn to Keep. This article seems informational and contains a lot of sources. It would be best to have someone who understands Russian to review the sources to determine if they are credible and reliable. Bmbaker88 (talk) 00:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Decline recreation. The original closure is not contested here, this is a de novo argument for notability. But the requester would have had to show which of their sources are new or were not considered during the AfD, and they would have had to describe in more detail, for the benefit of non-Russian speakers, which of these sources are reliable academic publications and describe the subject in sufficient depth. Without such information, as a person who can't read Russian, I can't determine whether circumstances have changed substantially since the AfD and a recreation is warranted. It seems to me that, given the substantial attention that Russian history has received internationally, there should be English-language sources to be found for any really notable political entity in Russian history. Sandstein 19:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. Autonomous Siberian Republic', 2. When an independent Siberian Republic was declared on 23 July 1918, 3. July 4, 1918 Siberian Republic, 4. some kind of independent Siberian republic, 5. On July 23, an independent Siberian republic was declared, 6. A separatist Siberian Republic was formed in Omsk, 7. "The Siberian Republic', Millard's Review of the Far East Vol., 8. The Siberian Republic, 233; --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 07:01, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. History must at least record that there existed for four months, July to November, 1918, an independent Siberian Republic of which № 1 from http://scholar.google.ru/scholar?q=+%22The+Siberian+Republic%22+1918&btnG=&hl=ru&as_sdt=0%2C5 --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 10:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Relist There is no real question that such an entity existed. But looking at the AfD, the question was wether it was distinct from Provisional Siberian Government (Omsk). None of the above give the least evidence that it was. But perhaps we should have a renewed discussion. DGG ( talk ) 23:21, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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