- Speedy (musician) (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
The AFD was closed as Keep however I don't believe there was any consensus to Keep, The non-admin closer (User:AKS.9955) has said and I quote "sorry, did I misunderstand that in AfD discussions, votes are not counted and instead arguments are considered? I am sorry if I erred, kindly clarify"[1] yet the AFD looks like it was closed solely on the number of keeps and not the actual discussion, IMHO I believe the AFD should have either been closed as, Redirect, No Consensus or just relisted, Anyway thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It was a question and not a statement (big difference). Also, please make sure you don't give wrong facts on TalkPages / discussions. You were telling me that there was one keep vote, however there were four and ZERO delete vote (apart from nomination). Leaving that aside, lets talk about the merit of the article. WP:MUSBIO very clearly says that; "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart". Well, guess what, this guy has atleast two singles that I noticed (Siéntelo & Suavemente (song)) that made it to several charts for many years. Whats your point for deleting this article? Please make that point. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 17:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There was 3 keeps and 3 redirects (mine included) so I see no consensus to Keep, Yes and as I stated in the AFD- singles need to have reliable sources too which as I explained at length on the AFD - these songs don't, I explained all of this at the AFD my friend. –Davey2010Talk 17:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is one of the sources that clearly states that the song had been on charts of ten different countries (source is already in the article). We can keep on arguing about this but no point. Since the AfD is being discussed here, lets wait for others to review this. Thanks, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 17:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- You're proving my point more and more which is you've failed to read the arguments and have closed solely on how many keeps there was, I'm not arguing tho ? .... You wanted to come here so I'm discussing it ? .... –Davey2010Talk 17:43, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse. The Keep result was a reasonable reading of consensus. "No consensus" would not have been the right result because there were no !votes for outright deletion, and whether to merge content is generally resolved via talkpage discussion rather than XfD. (Also, absent unusual circumstances, filing a DRV to try to overturn a Keep to "No consensus" is generally not a good use of the community's time since the effect is substantially the same.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm honestly not trying to be funny nor argue but I genuinely don't see a keep consensus here tho - I'm not trying to say I'm right etc etc but I discussed why I didn't believe the sources were adequate for the BLP so that should've been taken in to account before closing, The No consensus part would be so that it could atleast be renominated in a few months, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:07, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At most, Overturn (to "Keep, with recommendations to merge and redirect to Siéntelo".) Clear consensus against deletion, it does not belong at AfD again and does not belong at DRV. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- SmokeyJoe I absolutely agree there was no clear consensus against deletion however that's my entire point there wasn't any clear consensus in keeping the article either? .... Consensus in the end swayed towards redirecting so surely instead all of this polava it would've made more sense to just redirect ? .... –Davey2010Talk 05:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (ec) The discussion, over a month after opening, over a week after the last comment, was heading towards agreement to merge and redirect, which is against keeping the stand-alone article as-is. However, the merge is non-trivial and is subject to being rejected at the target (not that I think that is likely, as the target is a quiet article). I think any editor should feel free to perform the merge. I agree that the closing statement could have been better, the closer should summarise the discussion, and it is not well summarised as "keep". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It took a few moments to work out that no, you were not trying to speedy delete the target. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- SmokeyJoe - I agree it did go on for a very long time and it did need closing, I'll go to the talkpage in the next few weeks once this has all died down a bit, I completely agree - Maybe if the closer expanded abit then yeah maybe I still would've been a bit pissed but I would've accepted it and would've gone straight to the talkpage, Meh what's done's done I guess, Thanks for replying and for your advice - As always it's much appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 06:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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