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Case | Created | Last volunteer edit | Last modified | ||||
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Title | Status | User | Time | User | Time | User | Time |
Maratha Confederacy | Closed | Mohammad Umar Ali (t) | 5 days, 14 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 2 days, 2 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 2 days, 2 hours |
Elissa Slotkin | New | Andrew.robbins (t) | 5 days, 8 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 11 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 11 hours |
Gangubai Kathiawadi | Closed | Ankitsalsa14 (t) | 4 days, 15 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 4 days, 12 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 4 days, 12 hours |
Naseem Hamed | New | Mac Dreamstate (t) | 2 days, 14 hours | None | n/a | JFHJr (t) | 2 days, 1 hours |
Killing of Laken Riley | Closed | Gottagotospace (t) | 2 days, 6 hours | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, | Robert McClenon (t) | 1 days, |
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Current disputes
Maratha Confederacy
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Elissa Slotkin
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Gangubai Kathiawadi
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Naseem Hamed
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
- Naseem Hamed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Users involved
- Mac Dreamstate (talk · contribs)
- ActionHeroesAreReal (talk · contribs)
- Abo_Yemen (talk · contribs)
- JFHJr (talk · contribs)
- Jahalive (talk · contribs)
- The_MK (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
There is an impasse on how to describe, in the lead section, this boxer who was born in the UK, has only ever resided in the UK, and has only competed under a British boxing licence. He has Yemeni parents, which may qualify him for citizenship by descent. Various MOS have been invoked: MOS:ETHNICITY, MOS:IDENTITY, WP:NPOV, and WP:WEIGHT.
In the boxing world and Western mainstream media, he is primarily notable as a British boxer; in the Arab world, his Yemeni heritage is heavily emphasised. There are numerous reliable Western sources which describe him as solely British, and some Arab sources (of varying reliability) which describe him as Yemeni. Hamed self-describes as "British-Yemeni" or "Yemeni" on social media, and did so during his career by means of Yemeni flags and other symbology.
Extensive discussion at the talk page has resulted in a three vs three dispute on how to word the lead section: "British professional boxer", "British-Yemeni professional boxer", or "British professional boxer of Yemeni descent".
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Naseem Hamed#British / British-Yemeni
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Assist us in deciding how to describe Hamed in the opening sentence of the lead section, and whether it needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis or per the abovementioned MOS'es.
Summary of dispute by ActionHeroesAreReal
Summary of dispute by Abo_Yemen
Summary of dispute by JFHJr
Greetings. I am a WP:BLPN volunteer and have participated in talkpage discussion but never edited this article. Because the subject identifies as Yemeni as supported by at least one reliable reference, I'm comfortable with that self-identification appearing anywhere in the article. I'm also of the position that WP:BLP and related either outweigh WP:MOS concerns or present a defensible position to WP:IAR. I do believe an identity datum as basic as this merits reasonable WP:WEIGHT. I do not agree with disputing its presence in the lede, even if it's worth exactly one mention in the body. Otherwise, I'd comment of the overall dispute that concerns stated and implied on the talkpage regarding chauvinism (countries claiming a champion) are themselves inherently chauvinistic. I'm not from either one. I have no committed preference for how this is resolved other than finding a resolution. Ta. JFHJr (㊟) 01:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- PS. If it aids resolution in this matter, I'm willing to walk-back my concerns (see talkpage) about Variety, iff the only thing used is identity/ethnicity. First, see WP:RSNP for the safety indicator. Second, this is tantamount to a safe WP:BLPSPS for the sole purpose used. This is actually an innocuous matter, despite the back and forth. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 03:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Summary of dispute by Jahalive
Summary of dispute by The_MK
First of all, contrary to the dispute overview, it was mentioned that only some (which are Arab) sources mentioned “Yemeni” or “British-Yemeni”, this is false, 3 sources (which are [1], [2], [3]) inserted in the discussion has stated “British-Yemeni” or has mentioned him being of Yemeni heritage and are not Arab sources at all, and are in-fact mostly western, with only two sources provided being Arab. For the summary of dispute, I’ve inserted several sources that prove the notability of Naseem’s Yemeni heritage, with him identifying as a Yemeni, and raising the Yemeni flag in a lot of his fights, and other acts of emphasis and symbology of him being Yemeni. All of this makes him being Yemeni/of Yemeni origins notable to his identity, and hence as per WP:ETHNICITY we would have to mention both British and Yemeni, because if not, that would be a violation of WP:NPOV as we are only taking into consideration him being British only, even if being Yemeni is as or more notable to his identity. At first I supported “British-Yemeni” in the lede but for more clarity, we should say “British professional boxer of Yemeni heritage” as we can’t confirm him having only one citizenship as per Yemeni naturalization law, he was always qualified for citizenship by descent (as both his parents are Yemeni), also using “British professional boxer of Yemeni heritage” allows us to include sources for both “British” and “Yemeni”. |MK| 📝
Naseem Hamed discussion
Killing of Laken Riley
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