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should there be a page for Michael Brelo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.51.236.225 (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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No consensus. After much-extended time for discussion, no consensus has been developed in favor of the proposed move. BD2412T 21:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:CONSISTENCY. Although I sympathize with the points raised in the nomination and would support a move of the current main title header to Fatal shooting of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams if there was consensus for the creation of the header form "Fatal shooting of...", I cannot support single-entry moves while most other such entries remain under "Shooting of..." main headers. —Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 03:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should be moved per CONSISTENCY with all these articles below about shootings resulting in a death:--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. On the basis of the extensive additional detail provided by the nominator, confirming that there is no longer a firm consensus regarding WP:CONSISTENCY as far as "Shooting of..." main title headers are concerned, I am striking my "Oppose" vote of 03:33, 27 September 2020, above. Although I still feel that killing through the use of a firearm is a very determinate form of violence, in comparison to other forms, such as stabbing or strangulation, and therefore should be specified in the main header, the fact that there is no apparent consensus for the header form "Fatal shooting of..." and also the fact that there are a number of "Shooting of.." main headers that delineate non-fatal shootings (Category:Non-fatal shootings), leads me to drop my opposition to the use of "Killing of..." as headers of articles delineating killings through the use of a firearm. —Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 02:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: If the argument is naming consistency, there are many many more articles about fatal shootings that are named "Shooting of" than "Killing of". Renamings in the other direction would be the way to resolve the fact that a small number of articles are inconsistent with that general convention. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support I came across this a little while back and literally couldn't tell until I was well into the body whether both of them had died. The fact they died is so much more important than the fact they were shot. —valereee (talk) 17:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You failed to account for "fatal". --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to do the analysis to check whether that is the common name they go ahead and do it, all I'm saying here is that the nom says there is no common name and that clearly isn't true - reliable sources do tend to refer to this as "shooting" not "killing". FOARP (talk) 10:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have done the analysis. There is no clear winner between "shooting", "fatal shooting", "killing", or "death". --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to AGF, but if you did do the analysis, you never showed your working, and it appears that the usage of these terms can be compared with a clear winner in terms of usage. FOARP (talk) 08:46, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Shooting section
We need a reliable source for the following sentence in the shooting section, which I have just tagged with citation needed: ‘The amount of gunfire confused the officers into thinking they were being fired at from the vehicle’. The reason is that this sentence surely means that some officers thought that gunfire from other officers was actually coming from the suspects’ car, which is a claim that we don’t have a source for. In any case, we should surely use the word allegedly in this sentence and say something like ‘The amount of gunfire allegedly confused the officers into thinking they were being fired at from the vehicle’ - we shouldn’t take them at their word as they’re not unbiased passive observers, instead they have a strong self-interest in justifying firing the large number of bullets that they did. Overlordnat1 (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]