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:::I shudder to think what the Urdu and Hindi versions of these articles are like. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 14:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC) |
:::I shudder to think what the Urdu and Hindi versions of these articles are like. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 14:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC) |
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::::I've often wondered, and hadn't had the courage to investigate. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93#top|talk]]) 14:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC) |
::::I've often wondered, and hadn't had the courage to investigate. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93#top|talk]]) 14:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC) |
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::::*Being a native speaker I just checked the Hindi version of [[Indo-Pakistani War of 1965]] and The LEAD and Infobox are same as English version. The body clearly needs a lot of translation and cleanup. But it is good to point out the Good work of our Hindi Editors in maintaining a Neutral LEAD and Infobox. Hope it is of some relief to you both :D --''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<font color="#DA500B">Big</font>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<font color="#10AD00">ray</font>]]</span>'' 15:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Abusive IP
Hey, Vanamonde. The IP 42.107.135.248 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is static, and has only ever been used on Wikipedia by one person, for one edit, the one on Sitush's page. Revolting. I don't even understand what they're on about, as Sitush has never edited "Sagarika's page". Maybe a bit more than 31 hours? Or do you think that's pointless? I don't understand Indian IPs very well, sorry. Bishonen | talk 18:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC).
- @Bishonen: If you believe it justified, certainly; what would you recommend? I blocked for 31 hours only because I'm not comfortable enough with the technical details to judge whether a long block was justified off the bat. Vanamonde (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's justified, after the crap on Sitush's page; the question is more if there's any point, or if they'll just flit on to a new IP and continue to post predictions that people will die of cancer. But I don't see that it can hurt, so I've upped it to a week. Bishonen | talk 10:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC).
- @Bishonen: Oh absolutely, I meant "justified" from a technical point of view; given the nature of the IP, how long a block is "justified" before we run too high a risk of collateral damage. Which you've answered. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 11:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- That IP is Shantanusingh10 who I blocked a few hours before the IP showed up. He'll be back with a new IP soon enough, it's a Vodafone India mobile IP and that changes as often as the phone is restarted or a connection reset. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 11:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Bishonen: Oh absolutely, I meant "justified" from a technical point of view; given the nature of the IP, how long a block is "justified" before we run too high a risk of collateral damage. Which you've answered. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 11:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's justified, after the crap on Sitush's page; the question is more if there's any point, or if they'll just flit on to a new IP and continue to post predictions that people will die of cancer. But I don't see that it can hurt, so I've upped it to a week. Bishonen | talk 10:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC).
About the XFD closure on 2016 Indian Line of Control strike
Hi Vanamonde93, This is pertaining to your statement about "they not been blinkered by their agreement with the closure" at WP:AE. The XFD was actually re-opened because I bought it to the attention of @Bonadea: and @SpacemanSpiff: at User_talk:Bonadea#Nsmutte?. The only reason I did not open it myself was because that would lead to another round of reverts. Again this more like a FYI and I replied here in order to avoid the WP:AE becoming just about this specific XFD. Hope this clears some of the confusion. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 19:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Adamgerber80: I wasn't aware that you brought it to Bonadea's attention, but that doesn't matter much. My point is simply that D4iNa4 pointed to a bad NAC as evidence of a bad AfD, which to me is symptomatic of the fact that they (and everyone else in that discussion, including the OP) is searching too hard for evidence that could lead to sanctions. Vanamonde (talk) 05:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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Sdmarathe
Under IPA DS, I have banned Sdmarathe from interacting with you. This is a one-way IBAN and does not imply any wrong-doing on your part, nor does it formally restrict you in any way; however, I thought you should be informed of it and would advise that you take care not to inadvertently act in a way that could be construed as provoking violations of the ban. If this puts you in a difficult place regarding administrative action, please do feel free to contact me either on-wiki (generally best during business hours UTC) or by email (which I generally get quickly most times). GoldenRing (talk) 09:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- @GoldenRing: Yes, I saw the notice. The solution makes sense to me; given his limited activity, more sense than a t-ban, actually. I do not act as an administrator in most areas related to South Asian politics, because I've contributed content in those areas; so I do not foresee any trouble. I also note that there's only two articles, and no topics, which he edited before I did; so unless there's a major increase in his activity, I'm in no danger of even appearing to follow him around with the intent of provoking IBAN violations. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 09:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
FYI
[1] - the user repeatedly modifies comments by others on article talk page. Perhaps you do not mind that he modifies your comment, by I do mind when someone makes my comment a part of another new section. My very best wishes (talk) 16:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- @My very best wishes: I'll drop a note on his talk; at the very least, that sort of thing isn't conducive to discussion. Vanamonde (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- Here is my understanding of this. Collect did explain his revert here. One can agree or disagree about it, but I think it was an explanation. By breaking this thread to separate parts, Paul Siebert makes it to appear as if Collect did not respond anything of substance. My very best wishes (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- @My very best wishes: Well, he shouldn't be doing that, and I've told him as much. I wasn't happy with Collect's response either, but that isn't the way to discuss it. Vanamonde (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- Here is what he did in response to your recommendation to self-revert. Like I said, Collect did explain his edit. The entire point here is to start discussing user Collect on article talk page instead of discussing content. My very best wishes (talk) 17:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- @My very best wishes: Well, he shouldn't be doing that, and I've told him as much. I wasn't happy with Collect's response either, but that isn't the way to discuss it. Vanamonde (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- Here is my understanding of this. Collect did explain his revert here. One can agree or disagree about it, but I think it was an explanation. By breaking this thread to separate parts, Paul Siebert makes it to appear as if Collect did not respond anything of substance. My very best wishes (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Joseph Campanella
For the record one source that was tagged was already there (so I did not place it there!!!) and the main issue were that the sources were very vague with the content they were covering but no worries with more reliable obits coming out I replaced them with more precise (non-vague) references. Hope you understand! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- @TDKR Chicago 101: I'm aware of that, and I'm also aware that it was that source which had the largest shortcoming. That said, I don't think you've taken my advice quite to heart. You cannot google a sentence and use the top hits as sources without running into this problem quite frequently. Also, if you find a source which supports only part of a sentence, then rewrite the sentence, don't just add the source. Please, please, take more care, as I am really not keen on escalating this. Vanamonde (talk) 14:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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Pseudoscience has edit wars again
Template:Pseudoscience, since your last protection expired, has had more edit warring again.
Sorry all I can do is bring this up on your talk page, but my real-life limitations won't let me find the right board or procedure for this at the moment and I won't be able to follow-up.
Thank you! I really like your show/hide bars on your user page, by the way. —Geekdiva (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Old Music and the Slave Women
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I addressed all of your concerns regarding the Tawana Brawley rape allegations article.--MagicatthemovieS
- I'll take a look: I still have a little bit of the article to go through. Vanamonde (talk) 09:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Old Music and the Slave Women
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I addressed your second batch of concerns regarding the Tawana Brawley rape allegations article.--MagicatthemovieS
Tawana
Are you satisfied with this version of the article?--MagicatthemovieS
- What's the flaming hurry, MagicatthemovieS? I have the review page watchlisted; I'll get there soon. Vanamonde (talk) 04:27, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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Re: Nextdoor discussion.
Sorry. I didn't mean to ping you. I was just trying to source the genesis of the discussion that led me to that approach. I wasn't trying to get you to weigh in. Really, otherwise, I would have left the redraft as one proposal and tried to deal with it there.BC1278 (talk) 18:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC)BC1278
- That's alright. For what it's worth, I don't think the fault in that discussion is entirely yours. Vanamonde (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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DYK for Old Music and the Slave Women
On 25 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Old Music and the Slave Women, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ursula K. Le Guin wrote "Old Music and the Slave Women", set on a fictional planet, after visiting a plantation in South Carolina that had once used slave labor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Old Music and the Slave Women. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Old Music and the Slave Women), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Request for deletion
I need to request you that please delete four pages - User talk:Ram The Editor, User talk:Misser Boss, User talk:Yisrael Kristal and User talk:Widr farted as the reason G6. We don't need those pages any more. Thank you. 182.69.24.11 (talk) 16:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- User talk pages are only deleted under exceptional circumstances. I do not see any such applying here: G6 certainly does not qualify. Why exactly do you want them deleted? Vanamonde (talk) 17:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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Continuation of "Request for deletion"
The other criteria to delete those four pages are "G7: Author requests deletion". 182.69.24.11 (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- You are not the author of those pages, and therefore cannot request their deletion under G7. Furthermore, G7 is certainly not going to be applied to a user talk page with authors besides that user. Who are you, and why do you want those pages deleted? Vanamonde (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Patience, Narutolovehinata5 :) Vanamonde (talk) 08:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
DYK for Rashid Vally
On 29 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rashid Vally, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during the apartheid era, music producer Rashid Vally owned a record shop that was among the few places in Johannesburg where people of different racial backgrounds could socialize? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rashid Vally. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rashid Vally), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Edit Protection on Page Neerali
Hello Vanamonde93
Upcoming movie page Neerali was edit protected but I do not see much reason for that. can you please check on that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zyravi (talk • contribs) 07:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- It was protected because of repeated disruptive editing, and that protection is not going to be lifted anytime soon. Vanamonde (talk) 07:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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AN3
Hey. Thanks for your contribution to the report I filed, but I believe you may have misinterpreted it, and the user/page being reported. -- AlexTW 10:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks to the fact that the bunch of you are edit-warring over multiple pages, yes, it seems I have; but my conclusion remains the same, and an additional page has now been protected. Vanamonde (talk) 10:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, my edits on the singular page after I stated that I was the one that stopped any warring for the sake of discussion... What a great job you've done, bud! -- AlexTW 10:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)If you expect an editor to be blocked for edit-warring when the last edit she made was more than 72 hours ago, you need to reevaluate your expectations. That said, since Drmargi hasn't been editing the talk page either, I've unprotected. Vanamonde (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, that wasn't a mess. Thanks for your help on a thread that already had administrator involvement. By the way, "abandoning" indicates involvement. -- AlexTW 11:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
""abandoning" indicates involvement"
Um what? Vanamonde (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)one party appears to have abandoned the page
You said abandoned. That means that there was recently involvement. -- AlexTW 11:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)- I explicitly referred to the article as a whole, not the talk page, so I'm afraid you're not making much sense. I reiterate, drop this and move on. Vanamonde (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, because I deliberately didn't edit any further and left their version, so that they couldn't war further, and then they refused to talk on the talk page. Thank you for your contributions - I'll reopen the discussion so that the initial admin, NeilN, can contribute to the discussion, as he initially did handle it properly. Thanks again. -- AlexTW 11:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I explicitly referred to the article as a whole, not the talk page, so I'm afraid you're not making much sense. I reiterate, drop this and move on. Vanamonde (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, that wasn't a mess. Thanks for your help on a thread that already had administrator involvement. By the way, "abandoning" indicates involvement. -- AlexTW 11:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)If you expect an editor to be blocked for edit-warring when the last edit she made was more than 72 hours ago, you need to reevaluate your expectations. That said, since Drmargi hasn't been editing the talk page either, I've unprotected. Vanamonde (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- You protected it for 3 days after there hadn't been any edits in 3 days, and the warring editor hasn't replied to my talk page discussion at all... Did you read the report? -- AlexTW 10:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, my edits on the singular page after I stated that I was the one that stopped any warring for the sake of discussion... What a great job you've done, bud! -- AlexTW 10:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Nussbaum quote
Hi Van, I am not sure what you are saying here. I asked for an RfC feedback on one issue only, viz., whether the Nussbaum quote is fit for the lead. I am not sure what your proposal is. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: My proposal was offered to placate Ankit2, with respect to their issues with the framing of Nussbaum's quote. It was to replace it with "Scholars studying the 2002 riots state that they were premeditated and constituted a form of ethnic cleansing, and that the state government and law enforcement were complicit in the violence that occurred". I made it here. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hey Vanamonde93, I have seen your recent warnings on other user pages regarding the sock of Wikiexplorer13 (talk · contribs). I have no objection to that but do wish to inform you that there is another IP hopper who is back now. The reason behind this is two-fold, (a) to differentiate between Wikiexplorer13 (talk · contribs) and Taiwan (though their modus operandi is the same the IPs they use differ) (b) to ask for suggestions to avoid another mess. I believe you have been sort of involved with this one in the past. You can find more details here User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles. The IP has already disrupted a few pages related to Taiwan Sky Bow, Tuo Chiang-class corvette, AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo and Sky Sword. Based on past experience, the IP will hound me into other pages I edit namely India, Pakistan and Afghanistan related. Any advice on how to deal with this given the area has already seen enough disruption from other sources? In the past we have requested semi-protection for these pages but that takes some time. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Adamgerber80: I know this one; it's the IP who keeps disrupting stuff related to missiles and weapons, is it not? I've blocked them a few times in the past, and semi-protected some pages. There's not really a magic bullet for this; but good documentation helps; a long-term abuse page, for instance, may allow us to find blockable ranges, or to find pages were permanent PC- or semi-protection would be justified. Also, just for the record, I have no sympathy for Wikiexplorer, and IIRC have IAR blocked them too, on occasion. It's just that in reverting sockpuppets, we have to be careful with edit-summaries and such, because the rest of the community still requires our courtesy, and should know why any given edit was made. Vanamonde (talk) 17:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Thanks for your advice. I might create a LTA page sometime in the user but for now we only have User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles. I have discussed a range block with other admins in the past but this has been turned down since the editor uses a VPN with a wide range of IPs ranging from Japan, to US, to UK, to China, to Australia and so on. I will mention per User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles or reverting Taiwan IP in my edit summaries for better explanation. Please let me know if this sounds good. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Adamgerber80: If you've documented everything there is to document on that userpage, that should be okay, too. We unfortunately have little ability to deal with vandals who have access to VPNs, so there isn't much more I can suggest. Vanamonde (talk) 03:56, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Thanks for your advice. I might create a LTA page sometime in the user but for now we only have User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles. I have discussed a range block with other admins in the past but this has been turned down since the editor uses a VPN with a wide range of IPs ranging from Japan, to US, to UK, to China, to Australia and so on. I will mention per User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles or reverting Taiwan IP in my edit summaries for better explanation. Please let me know if this sounds good. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
1RR
Hi, believe you or not, this and this is a formal violation of 1RR. Whereas I sincerely support your edits, someone may report you (that is not a joke, unfortunately). I stop editing so far to diminish the amount of pretexts for wikilawyering. Let me know when you finish. In future, when you plan to remove some text (which is automatically considered a revert, alas), it is better to coordinate our efforts to avoid formal 1RR violations.--Paul Siebert (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Paul Siebert: Are you referring to the fact that my edits were non-consecutive because we were both editing at once (in different parts of the article) or is there something else I have missed? Vanamonde (talk) 06:24, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, I looked more closely at the history. We didn't have any edit conflicts because you were working exclusively on one section, which I didn't touch; so for all practical purposes my edits were consecutive, and I doubt very much anyone is interested in hauling me off to ANEW. That said, you're right about technical violations, so what I am going to do is leave a standing offer on the talk page to self-revert if anybody is unhappy with my edits (which are, after all, mostly grammatical and format corrections). Vanamonde (talk) 06:28, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am sure any reasonable admin will agree that was not an edit war. However, a literal interpretation of the revert definition does not discriminate our case (independent editing of different sections) from a real revert. I concede, that is stupid, however, tensions around this article are so high that some people may try to use this hole in the revert definition to make our life more difficult. Again, I am perfectly ok with what you are doing, but the question is not in me.--Paul Siebert (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, let's see how it goes. I've left a message on the talk, and I'm done with the page for today (though I'll be online); I have RL work to catch up with. So at this point if somebody takes me to ANEW instead of replying on the talk, they're going to hurt their own reputation more than mine. Vanamonde (talk) 06:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am sure any reasonable admin will agree that was not an edit war. However, a literal interpretation of the revert definition does not discriminate our case (independent editing of different sections) from a real revert. I concede, that is stupid, however, tensions around this article are so high that some people may try to use this hole in the revert definition to make our life more difficult. Again, I am perfectly ok with what you are doing, but the question is not in me.--Paul Siebert (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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June 2018 GOCE newsletter
Guild of Copy Editors June 2018 News
Welcome to the June 2018 GOCE newsletter, in which you will find Guild updates since the February edition. Progress continues to be made on the copyediting backlog, which has been reduced to 7 months and reached a new all-time low. Requests continue to be handled efficiently this year, with 272 completed by the end of May (an average completion time of 10.5 days). Fewer than 10% of these waited longer than 20 days, and the longest wait time was 29 days. Wikipedia in general, and the Guild in particular, experienced a deep loss with the death on 20 March of Corinne. Corinne (a GOCE coordinator since 1 July 2016) was a tireless aide on the requests page, and her peerless copyediting is a part of innumerable GAs and FAs. Her good cheer, courtesy and tact are very much missed. March drive: The goal was to remove June, July and August 2017 from our backlog and all February 2018 Requests (a total of 219 articles). This drive was an outstanding success, and by the end of the month all but eight of these articles were cleared. Of the 33 editors who signed up, 19 recorded 277 copy edits (425,758 words). April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 15 through 21 April, focusing on Requests and the last eight articles tagged in August 2017. At the end of the week there were only 17 pending requests, with none older than 17 days. Of the nine editors who signed up, eight editors completed 22 copy edits (62,412 words). May drive: We set out to remove September, October and November 2017 from our backlog and all April 2018 Requests (a total of 298 articles). There was great success this month with the backlog more than halved from 1,449 articles at the beginning of the month to a record low of 716 articles. Officially, of the 20 who signed up, 15 editors recorded 151 copy edits (248,813 words). Coordinator elections: It's election time again. Nominations for Guild coordinators (who will serve a six-month term for the second half of 2018) have begun, and will close at 23:59 UTC on 15 June. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible, and self-nominations are encouraged. Voting will take place between 00:01 UTC on 16 June and 23:59 UTC on 30 June. June blitz: Stay tuned for this one-week copy-editing blitz, which will take place in mid-June. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Corinne, Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tdslk. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi V
I honestly thought someone would more reasonably look into the deletion of E-money's page. He's a very notable person and worth of mention on Wikipedia but because he lives a very non-social/media life, it's difficult to talk about him on Wikipedia because they don't accept news from blogs -- not realizing that in Nigeria blogs are the top visited news sources much more than newspapers. https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/NG
I have considered appealing this directly to Wikipedia body but not sure it's worth my time. I am just visiting the site now and noticing the notifications. This is not a good approach, people should apply contextual judgment to articles. Make some research to validate if an author's claims are true. A successful businessman should not have to participate in the stock market or mentioned on Forbes to be recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opatachibueze (talk • contribs) 14:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Opatachibueze: I'm afraid it isn't enough for the content in an article to be true for it to be included on Wikipedia. I could create an article which said "Vanamonde93 is a Wikipedia editor" and it would be true; but it would not demonstrate notability, which is required for every article on Wikipedia. In this case, I did not decide unilaterally to delete your page; there was a community discussion about it, and I judged that the consensus was to delete the article. If you think I made the wrong decision, you can take the matter to deletion review, but I suggest that your time would be better spent finding genuinely reliable and substantive sources about your subject, and if such are not available, moving on and working on a different article. Vanamonde (talk) 04:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Carles Puigdemont
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Carles Puigdemont. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Andrevan. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Andrevan/Evidence. Please add your evidence by June 23, 2018, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Andrevan/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.
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For the Arbitration Committee, Amortias (T)(C) 19:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Moving Rajneesh to Osho
Hi,
I've observed that you have marked page moving of Rajneesh to OSHO.
The change didn't happened, can you please try again. I've more supporting doc this time. Accesscrawl (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC) Accesscrawl (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Accesscrawl: I moved the page based on a talk page discussion which was closed by No such user. Their close found consensus to move the page. However, the discussion was later reopened as a result of this (which also required the page to be moved back to "Rajneesh", the original title), and I cannot see any clear consensus for the move after that. If you still want it moved, I suggest opening another discussion and pinging all the previous participants. Vanamonde (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Vanamonde this isn't available anymore. Can you please help me pinning the people. Accesscrawl (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Accesscrawl: I don't understand why you can't access it; the move review discussion is completely accessible at the link I shared. What you need to do is to go to the talk page of the article (it's at Talk:Rajneesh) and open a discussion. Please read this to see how such a discussion should be worded. Then, type {{ping|USERNAME}} (replacing "USERNAME" with the name of the user you want to ping), sign your post, and save, and that user will receive a notification of your discussion. Vanamonde (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Proxy war brewing
- TLDR version: I believe another proxy war is brewing between both sides sanctioned at WP:AE and if left unchecked will lead to the same situation in a few weeks.
- Long version: This is not a complaint against anyone (both sides are to blame) or an attempt to WP:FORUMSHOP but an attempt to avoid a repetition of the series of events over the last few months. After the unsuccessful appeal of the WP:AE, we have a new set of editors (from both sides) picking up the threads left over by the earlier ones and having the same discussions and constant state of reverts. This is currently playing out on Kashmiris, Cow vigilante violence in India since 2014, Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus, Violence against women during the partition of India, WP:AE and I foresee this flowing over to other pages soon (Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,List of wars involving Pakistan). Some of these editors have editing in the general area for some time and are engaging in edits without any consensus (given the sudden vacuum). Then there are other editors who have no contribution to the area even remotely and have appeared out of nowhere to engage in the same discussions. Then there are other editors who precisely show up as a show of support on these pages after an interval of weeks (even months) and have no Wikipedia contributions otherwise. And to add to the mix we have socks of a blocked user hounding other editors and newly created accounts which are suspiciously super familiar with Wikipedia policy. On purpose, I have chosen not to take names of editors which fall in each particular category but those are not hard to deduce. This leads to be believe that this is a form of proxy war (and I have no substantial proof to back this up) because though the actors are new the discussions are eerily the same. Disclosure: I am a party to List of wars involving Pakistan talk page discussion and have reverted one edit on Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 for lack of consensus. In general, I wish to stay away from this mess (or atleast I view it as a mess) but this has a strong deja vu feeling to it. I reckon we will go through numerous WP:SPI, WP:ANI and other forums if some sort of corrective action is not taken now (this could be even limited to full content protection on all pages). I am pinging @GoldenRing, Sandstein, Sitush, Winged Blades of Godric, and NeilN: some editors/admins who have either shown concern over this in the past or are involved in some of the recent forum discussions. Sorry, if this seems to be waste of time for anyone or an over exaggeration of events. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've been noticing some of this, but I've been caught up in some quite unnecessarily unpleasant main page stuff. I'm going to try to go through some of this tomorrow. It has been fairly clear to me for a while that the Indo-Pak conflict area, and the broader religious/political conflict in the subcontinent, attracts not just sockpuppetry but a degree of off-wiki coordination. Unfortunately, our tools for dealing with this are limited. Some protections may certainly be in order, and possibly some topic bans too, but that requires further examination. Vanamonde (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- I shudder to think what the Urdu and Hindi versions of these articles are like. --NeilN talk to me 14:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've often wondered, and hadn't had the courage to investigate. Vanamonde (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Being a native speaker I just checked the Hindi version of Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 and The LEAD and Infobox are same as English version. The body clearly needs a lot of translation and cleanup. But it is good to point out the Good work of our Hindi Editors in maintaining a Neutral LEAD and Infobox. Hope it is of some relief to you both :D --DBigXray 15:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've often wondered, and hadn't had the courage to investigate. Vanamonde (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- I shudder to think what the Urdu and Hindi versions of these articles are like. --NeilN talk to me 14:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)