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Done. Thanks for pointing out the lack of Wikification in the article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 21:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC) |
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== Lucifer started as a Latin/Roman/Italian god and article has too much emphasis on his later incorporation into Christian mythology == |
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Lucifer started as an ancient (pre-Christian) Latin/Roman/Italian (i.e., in [[Ancient Rome]], so likely 8th century or before) god similar to the Greek god [[Phosphoros]] (possibly syncretized as most Roman gods were), and article has too far too much emphasis on his later incorporation into Christian mythology, so I've marked it as non-neutral. I won't consider it neutral until it's focused on description of that god in pre-Christian times and mentions his addition & alteration into Christian mythology as a minor later version.--[[User:Dchmelik|dchmelik]] ([[User_talk:Dchmelik|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Dchmelik|c]]) 06:24, 16 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Jesus the Lucifer
I may be wrong, and when I have time will need to look at article history, but I have the recollection that the information that the Latin word Lucifer was originally understood by Christians as / used in the Vulgate as, a title of Christ was placed more prominently in earlier versions of this article. As it stands there's an out of sequence hint in the lead, then buried down at the bottom of the article. Is it our job to cover this up? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps you are thinking of what is in the section "Latin word lucifer". Esoglou (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, hidden at the bottom. It should be clearly in lead, it's the original and in the Vulgate main meaning of the term. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- By "the Latin word Lucifer was originally understood by Christians as / used in the Vulgate as, a title of Christ", do you mean that in the Vulgate the Latin word lucifer is used of Jesus? It isn't. And/or do you mean that the Latin word lucifer was originally understood by Christians as a title of Christ, and only later of anybody else? What reliable source says that? None. Esoglou (talk) 20:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Look in Google Books, plenty of sources say it is. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Then cite one or two that say Christians at first used the Latin word lucifer only of Jesus. Esoglou (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Originally, that should be easy enough. Okay I will beef up this maybe next week. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Jesus referred to himself as The Morning Star in Revelations 22:16. This article states Lucifer means the morning star, so there is enough evidence to say in the article that Jesus is Lucifer, or at the very least referred to himself as Lucifer. I assume the Bible is acceptable to wikipedia as a reliable source. Here is the quote from Revelations 22:16 (NIV), "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."Arnold1 (talk) 05:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- Originally, that should be easy enough. Okay I will beef up this maybe next week. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Then cite one or two that say Christians at first used the Latin word lucifer only of Jesus. Esoglou (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Look in Google Books, plenty of sources say it is. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- By "the Latin word Lucifer was originally understood by Christians as / used in the Vulgate as, a title of Christ", do you mean that in the Vulgate the Latin word lucifer is used of Jesus? It isn't. And/or do you mean that the Latin word lucifer was originally understood by Christians as a title of Christ, and only later of anybody else? What reliable source says that? None. Esoglou (talk) 20:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, hidden at the bottom. It should be clearly in lead, it's the original and in the Vulgate main meaning of the term. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
the name/word "Lucifer"
I spent the previous 13 years observing the commandments inside the Bible and obeying more than I did before.
I found that in the original English bibles (the bibles that were written before Christopher Columbus was alive) did not have the name/word "Lucifer" in their copies. It wasn't until America was formed that someone removed some words inside their own bible copy and replaced those words with the name/word "Lucifer".
In doing that, they went against God because God said: (Revelation 22:18-19): "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, that are described in this book."
The original English bibles have this in Old Testament: (Isaiah 14:12): "How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! How you are cut down to the ground and had laid the nations low!"
So, you see, someone removed the words "Morning Star" and placed the word "Lucifer" there and they were not suppose to do that.
The fact is, God never mentioned Satan old name (When he was a heavenly angel) because he lost his place in heaven and therefore, and as "The book of Revelation" says, he is only known as: The Dragon, Satan, The Devil and The Ancient Serpent.
It's a fact, the name "Lucifer" is bogus. Someone invented the name "Lucifer" to give people the impression that they knew more about Satan than others, they were wrong. God commanded: Thou shall not lie. Therefore, those people should not have invented the name "Lucifer" because it's been a lie all along. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dclark1973 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Request change in introductory chapter
As per WP:PIPELINK, I request the part
- is generally believed among [[Bible scholar|scholars]] to have [[Attar (god)|a parallel]] in [[Canaanite mythology]].
to be changed into
- is generally believed among [[Bible scholar|scholars]] to have a parallel in [[Canaanite mythology]] in the form of the god [[Attar (god)|Attar]].
Thank you. --85.76.2.36 (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Recommend Linking: etymology; "moon god sin" -->Sin_(mythology)
To clarify what it means in etymology section, 2nd to last paragraph, where it says: " Nebuchadnezzar was gripped by a spiritual fervor to build a temple to the moon God Sin (possibly analogous with Hubal, the primary God of pre Islamic Mecca), and his son ruled as regent. " To show what is meant specifically by "moon god Sin" shown in article -->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.91.57 (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for pointing out the lack of Wikification in the article. Dimadick (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Lucifer started as a Latin/Roman/Italian god and article has too much emphasis on his later incorporation into Christian mythology
Lucifer started as an ancient (pre-Christian) Latin/Roman/Italian (i.e., in Ancient Rome, so likely 8th century or before) god similar to the Greek god Phosphoros (possibly syncretized as most Roman gods were), and article has too far too much emphasis on his later incorporation into Christian mythology, so I've marked it as non-neutral. I won't consider it neutral until it's focused on description of that god in pre-Christian times and mentions his addition & alteration into Christian mythology as a minor later version.--dchmelik (t|c) 06:24, 16 July 2017 (UTC)