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Controversy regarding Subhas Chandra Bose's death
Hello everyone! This is Swastik. I'm myself a bengali & I can guarantee that Subhas Chandra Bose didn't die of any plane on August 18, 1945, either. It is nowhere written about a plane crash in Taiwan on this date! Some people even saw Netaji till 1970. There was a huge conspiracy by Nehru, who wanted to be the PM of India. So, he locked Subhash Chandra Bose in a lockup in Siberia, Russia. There was an Indian ambassador who knew this, but was warned by Jawaharlal Nehru that if he told this to anyone, first of all, he would be killed. So, please don't mention any particular date, in which he is rumoured to be died.
If anyone wants to be further acquainted with those details, kindly click on these links:[1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by SWASTIK 25 (talk • contribs) 18:12, September 19, 2015
- @SWASTIK 25 and Padmalochanwiki: If you read the sections above and the talkpage archives, you'll see that the issue of when and how Bose died has been discussed at length, and the article reflects what scholars and historians say about Bose's death and the various conspiracy theories that have arisen in its wake. Per wikipedia policy we follow WP:HISTRS-sources on such a topic, and an official in the publication division of the India's I&B ministry in 1948 believing that Bose was still alive or newspapers reporting that "a senior government official" says that the documents show that "British and American intelligence agencies" were concerned that Bose was being trained to be another Mao etc, are not acceptable substitutes (and, the Zee News accounts are one step further removed from the IE reports!).
- If the released documents result in historians reexamining the question and reaching a different conclusion, we can update the article accordingly. Sugata Bose, who is both Bose's grand-nephew and a historian has pooh-poohed the reports at the moment, but detailed examination by other (arguably less conflicted) scholars will take several months or years. That delay is not an issue for a tertiary source like wikipedia when writing about a historical subject. In the meantime we should not be trying to balance scholarly consensus with third-fourth hand newspaper accounts. Abecedare (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Then, what's the decision now about Netaji's death? Swastik (talk)
- The decision is that we follow the mainstream scholarly consensus and present that he died in a plane crash and mention that there have been persistent conspiracy theories that he didnt. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Then, what's the decision now about Netaji's death? Swastik (talk)
References
- ^ http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/netaji-subhas-chandra-bose-was-alive-in-1947_1797903.html
- ^ http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/files-on-netaji-subhas-chandra-bose-declassified-did-he-die-in-1945_1798836.html
- ^ http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/netaji-was-not-dead-but-in-russia-and-the-govt-knew-it_3601.html
- SWASTIK 25, I think I can guarantee that being Bengali doesn't guarantee that you are are all knowing. I am Australian and that doesn't guarantee that I know what happened to our Prime Minister Harold Holt for example, who disappeared 'mysteriously'. 220 of Borg 09:08, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- 220, I think I can also guarantee that Harold Holt is more known to the world than Netaji. Being an Aussie, u may not know about Harold Holt, but being a Bengali, rather an Indian, I do know many controversial & undiscovered facts about Netaji's death. So, I would advise u not to waste your time in arguing with me regarding some irrelevant issues. SWASTIK 25 (talk
- One of the purely "irrelevant issues" is your proclamations of your personal knowledge of "controversial & undiscovered facts ". So the sooner you drop that, the better off we all will be. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 20 September 2015
I feel it is time to mark the section about "Death..." as controversial. The title be changed to "Alleged Death...." or something similar to make the article appear unbiased. The current version has too many aspects that have been questioned by too many historical references.
Another alternative: May I suggest the content of the section be moved to a different page, and let us just mark Death as controversial and let the other page discuss all theories about death. As such, the current page is misleading as there is no clear proof of death to validate any side's theories.
14.99.126.170 (talk) 14:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Not done Please provide reliable sources that indicate that the date of Bose's death is not well established. --regentspark (comment) 16:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- @RegentsPark: There are lots of reliable sources see here, here, here and here. — Sanskari Hangout 16:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Sanskari. By reliable sources we mean scholarly ones rather than news sources. --regentspark (comment) 16:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- For that one need to dig Supreme Court's judgements and study of chief justice committee about his death. — Sanskari Hangout 16:31, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Those are primary sources and are not acceptable. Look for sources published in scholarly peer-reviewed journals. --regentspark (comment) 16:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Primary? Well, the courts judgements are much more reliable and acceptable (don't know why Wikipedia lacks this) since it is only based on the facts and finding and this is what laws means. — Sanskari Hangout 16:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Court judgements, committee reports, etc. are all subject to interpretation (law journals consume reams of paper interpreting and parsing court judgements) and they should not be used directly on Wikipedia. Reliable secondary (peer-reviewed) sources examine these reports and judgements and that's what we use on Wikipedia. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation (from WP:PRIMARY).--regentspark (comment) 17:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Primary? Well, the courts judgements are much more reliable and acceptable (don't know why Wikipedia lacks this) since it is only based on the facts and finding and this is what laws means. — Sanskari Hangout 16:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Those are primary sources and are not acceptable. Look for sources published in scholarly peer-reviewed journals. --regentspark (comment) 16:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- For that one need to dig Supreme Court's judgements and study of chief justice committee about his death. — Sanskari Hangout 16:31, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Sanskari. By reliable sources we mean scholarly ones rather than news sources. --regentspark (comment) 16:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- @RegentsPark: There are lots of reliable sources see here, here, here and here. — Sanskari Hangout 16:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 22 September 2015
My request is Netaji's death date can't anybody believe in 1945. so please hide it.
- Please read discussion above on this. Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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Protected edit request on 26 September 2015
The day of death of Subhas Chandra Bose is actually unknown. The Justice Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry which was constituted to look into the disappearance of Subhas Chandra Bose conclusively proved in 2005 that he did not die in any plane crash on August 18, 1945. The supposed ashes placed in a temple at Japan are also not his - these are the findings of the Justice Mukherjee Commission (a judicial commission). here is the wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukherjee_Commission#Findings
Recently, on September 18, 2015, 64 secret/intelligence files on Subhas Chandra Bose were de-classified by the government of the state of Bengal in India. The de-classified files too point to the fact that Subhas Chandra Bose was very much alive post-1945. Here is a news article on the same: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Was-Netaji-alive-till-1964/articleshow/49005391.cms
So my request is to allow me to edit the section of this wikipedia post talking about the "Death" of Subhas Chandra Bose which in reality is "unknown". 180.151.26.68 (talk) 07:20, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- Not donePlease read the discussion above, particularly the material on the nature of sources required to establish any date other than the August 1945 date as his date of death. --regentspark (comment) 16:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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