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A visionary & astute professional with experience in building businesses and enterprises and streamlining operations in a Strategic Business Unit and Profit Center |
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Recognized for innovative start-up solutions; a highly positive individual with communication skills, adapting easily to changing environments. |
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{{notice|<center>If you want information on installing or using MediaWiki, please see '''http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ'''</center>|image=MediaWiki-smaller-logo.png}} |
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Deftness in establishing a reliable and cost effective channel network thereby enhancing market reach and penetration for business excellence |
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A proactive planner with abilities in devising strategies geared towards enhancing business, evaluating proper resource for client requirements, business development, and troubleshooting any problems in the process. |
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Identified and leveraged on business opportunities to build successful enterprises. Cultivated long term and cordial relationships with customers and achieved better quality, reliability and customer satisfaction. |
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| action1result = speedily kept |
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Develop and refine the company's vision and strategies with hands on management style. |
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Form & lead teams in setting up, developing and operating venture on the basis of strong commercial skills, good project and time management skills. |
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Facilitate a healthy, collaborative, disciplined and highly motivated work environment. |
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Sound knowledge of Human resource, finance, technology & administration along with strong anticipatory & planning skills so as to bring out the best results even in high pressure situations |
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Strong analytical, negotiation, presentation & interpersonal skills to ensure best communication and collaboration with internal teams and external customers |
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Determine the long term strategic objectives and developed businesses and operations of technology driven industries by successfully adapting to new product lines with respect to market analysis, product development, training, marketing and selling |
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Specialties: Recruitment and Resource management |
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Strategic Planning. |
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Innovative start -ups |
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Project Management |
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Customer Relation |
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{{WikiProject Wikipedia|class=B|importance=Top}} |
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==Name== |
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Since when is Wikipedia's engine named MediaWiki? The article is confusing, saying that MediaWiki was written, and then it was renamed to MediaWiki...--[[User:Chealer|Chealer]] 08:43, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC) |
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== What is MediaWiki? == |
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I read the article and still don't get a clear definition of what is MediaWiki and how it is related to the Wiki project. What is it? Is it the software behind Wikipedia and other Wikis? Is it a special type of program for special types of Wikis? I think the article lacks a clear summary definition on its first paragraph. |
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[[User:Evallejr|Evallejr]] |
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:Yes, MediaWiki is the software the is behind all of the Wikimedia Organization's projects. This includes Wikipedia, Wikisource, Commons, everything. It is also available to anyone who wishes to use it for their own personal website. [[User:Jediarchives11|Jediarchives11]] 03:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC) |
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: I too was confused about what, exactly, MediaWiki was until I read this discussion page. IMHO Jediarchives11's above comment or something very similar should be one of the first sentences of the article |
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== CMS == |
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MediaWiki is a [[content management system]] (CMS). Anyone who feels otherwise with conviction, please explain how MediaWiki is not a CMS. Thanks. --[[User:Rogerhc|Roger Chrisman]] 00:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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hello <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rajivk2k|Rajivk2k]] ([[User talk:Rajivk2k|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rajivk2k|contribs]]) 09:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* It's a wiki software, maybe "Wiki Software" is a kind of CMS. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.240.149.88|60.240.149.88]] ([[User talk:60.240.149.88|talk]]) 03:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== 100% speedup?! == |
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So something that took a finite amount of time before is now done instantly? |
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[[User:WikianJim|WikianJim]] 00:00, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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:100% speedup means that it runs twice as fast. Speed is increased by 100%. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|✎]] 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::Mathematics. Where x is the original speed, and P is the speedup in decimals (99% = .99, 23% = .23, 100% = 1, 500% = 5), x + Px = the current speed. [[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]] 23:43, May 26, 2005 (UTC) |
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Correct, but the original quote was '100% speedup, hence x+P |
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::No, it's x + xP. x is the speed, in units of time, and P is a value between 0.00 and 1.00 that scales x. You can't add together units of time and a scaler value as in x+P. So if it took 2 seconds before, at 50% speedup: 2 + (0.5) * 2 = 2 + 1 = 3 seconds. It has increased in speed ("sped up"), by a value that is 50% of the original time. Using 100% as P effectively doubles the new time using this wording. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.94.0.149|70.94.0.149]] ([[User talk:70.94.0.149|talk]]) 09:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Section editing: MediaWiki or Wikipedia? == |
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A feature of Wikipedia is the ability to edit a section of an article, without having to open the entire article for editing. |
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Is this a feature of MediaWiki, or is it specific for Wikipedia? |
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:Its a feature of MediaWiki. [[User:83.100.168.41|83.100.168.41]] 13:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC) |
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== links == |
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why are all the links to users and wikipedia: space external links? something about avoiding self-references? i was going to change them, but maybe not... - [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 18:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC) |
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:They are external links so they will still link to the actual pages when people reuse the content. Your user page is at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Omegatron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Omegatron]. Your user page is not at [http://lamemirror.example.com/encyclopedia/User:Omegatron http://lamemirror.example.com/encyclopedia/User:Omegatron]. The content may be there, but it is only a copy and not your Wikipedia user page. Likewise, ''our'' policy pages are on en.wikipedia.org, not whatever random mirror hasn't bothered to remove the project namespace. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|✎]] 28 June 2005 12:24 (UTC) |
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== Ramifications of English Wikipedia switching to UTF-8? == |
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Now that Wikipedia has upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5 β1 and the English site's character encoding has switched from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8, do [[numeric character reference]]s have a place in English Wikipedia articles anymore? What is or will be the policy on this? —[[User:Tokek|Tokek]] 28 June 2005 06:09 (UTC) |
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:Use them if you like, don't if you don't. The software doesn't enforce "policies" like this. :) |
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:Note that the vast majority of Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites have been running on UTF-8 for years, this one was one of the few laggards. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] July 5, 2005 05:10 (UTC) |
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== MonoBook == |
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Should this article say something about when the MonoBook skin was introduced? Or is that unrelated? |
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[[User:Acegikmo1|Acegikmo1]] 22:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC) |
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:I agree there should be some information about Monobook. I suspect most users don't know about the added features this provides and even fewer about who wrote the skin and when. [[User:Antonrojo|Antonrojo]] 15:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== ETA? == |
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Does anyone know how close we are to a stable version of MediaWiki 1.5 and when it will be released for public use? A week? Less? I bought a website to start a wiki and I thought that 1.5 was close enough that it wouldn't be worth it to start with 1.4 then upgrade. So if someone could give me an estimated date when 1.5 stable is released I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. [[User:Jediarchives11|Jediarchives11]] 02:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC) |
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:Article now says it was released 5 Oct 05 [[User:Tedernst|Tedernst]] 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== History? == |
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Was the first media wiki software based on usemod? The markup here is more or less the same as what cliff wrote and is still using. I know the language is different, but shouldn't the article mention the history if it's true? [[User:Tedernst|Tedernst]] 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Of course, [[User:Magnus Manske]]'s MediaWiki is derived from [[Clifford Adams]]'s [[UseModWiki]] (for his 1991-1999 ''Use''net ''Mod''eration Project = Usemod), which in turn is derived from [[WikiWikiWeb:AtisWiki|AtisWiki]], which is derived from CVWiki and finally from the WikiEngine of the [[WikiWikiWeb]] ([[WikiWikiWeb:WardsOriginalWikiEngine|WardsOriginalWikiEngine]]). It should be mentioned. |
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:MediaWiki as named refers to what we call "phase3" of the software, which was the original SQL-backed script from Magnus Manske, rewritten by Lee Daniel Crocker some time later, and then extensively modified following on from that. Before MediaWiki, Wikipedia used UseMod, then an altered version, before this software was written for it. It's fair to state that some initial markup was borrowed from other wikis, although not all of the current markup is, and that some ideas were taken too. [[User:Robchurch|Rob Church]] ([[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]]) 03:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Just for the record, that's not quite the way I remember it. Magnus's code was usually just called "the PHP script" for most of its use. When I did the rewrite, I basically used nearly all of Magnus's interface design but none of his internal code structure and almost none of his code (plus I added some major features like the image system, email, and such)--this was just called "the new codebase". Magnus was, of course, among the many contributors to my codebase as well. It was only well after my codebase was installed that the "phaseII" and "phaseIII" names came into use, and "phaseIII" was never used to refer to Magnus's code, only mine. The name "Mediawiki" came even later. I know, for example, that I created the "phase3" directory in CVS long after my codebase was the one in use. Magnus, Brion, and some others may have better memories than I on some of these issues--it's been a long time. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 21:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== 1.5 Performance == |
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Does 1.5 actually deliver the expected performance benefits? How about a future 1.6? [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] 05:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Which version does Wikipedia use? == |
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Do <s>MediaWiki</s> Wikimedia sites always use the latest release? So, 1.6.4 as of now? [[User:Gracefool|··gracefool]] |[[User talk:gracefool|☺]] 02:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Wikimedia web sites use a version of the software which is not too far (between 12 and 48 hours, for the most part, although some changes go live with immediate effect) from the current version in SVN trunk. [[Special:Version]] lists the exact repo. revision number which is live. [[User:Robchurch|Rob Church]] ([[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]]) 01:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== No discussion of pros / cons ? == |
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That's unusual.[[User:Flux.books|flux.books]] 13:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC) |
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I must agree. I took one look at this (and I once took a colledge course in computer programming) and was completly boggled. And I thought [[COBOL]] was over complicated simplification! -- [[User:Robeykr|Jason Palpatine]] 22:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== A gentle introduction to wiki markup and the community etc? == |
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I was able to find general markup helps w/o much fuss in the past, so I didn't care to think this article would need it. would someone mind adding a "lifecycle in the eyes of a wikipedian" type section? (and choose a better title if you can). Oh, and after that's all started yank this discussion topic :) |
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thanks! [[User:Supaplex|Supaplex]] 05:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Rather agree. [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg (Bill)]] 06:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Version run by WikiMedia == |
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Shouldn't it be documented that WikiMedia is running version 1.7 of MediaWiki? [[User:Laussy|FPL]] 17:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Irrelevant to MediaWiki itself. [[User:86.134.91.73|86.134.91.73]] 03:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Besides, the particular version information will change frequently on all the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] wikis. However, it is a feature of [[MediaWiki]] that every MediaWiki wiki has a [[Special:Version]] page which shows the version running on that wiki. Rather than try to record what version was running on every MediaWiki wiki on some particular date, we could tell the reader how to find out what version is running on the wiki of his or her interest. It might not hurt to mention that, perhaps at the bottom of, or in a subsection under, [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}#Release history]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 19:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::So I mentioned it. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 20:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Editing interface picture == |
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The picture of the editing interface of v.1.7 is unsuitable because it shows the interface of an administrator, and most users are not administrators. --[[User:Schzmo|Schzmo]] 23:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== article has a significant gap == |
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There's no mention of how WM is set up and runs administratively. Is there a board and/or a manager? Are there employees, or is it entirely voluntary labour that maintains it? How has its relationship with WP evolved? |
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The section might be entitled "Administration". [[User:Tony1|Tony]] 05:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:If you're looking for information about the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], check its article. [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}]] is about the software, rather than the organization which publishes it. I think [[Wikimedia Foundation]] addresses your questions, or at least points the way to finding the answers. The [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}]] article says: ''The name (MediaWiki) has frequently caused confusion due to its intentional similarity to the "Wikimedia" name (which itself is similar to "Wikipedia").'' --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 19:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Version 1.9 == |
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[[m:Download|Version 1.9]]'s release date was 2007-01-10. I added an entry to |
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the table for it in [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}#Release history]]. However, I am |
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not aware of all the key features in the new release. I mentioned one I know |
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about. I can revisit the table as I learn more, but hopefully, other knowledgeable |
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users will contribute. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 20:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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: Added some details there. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 22:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Need for semi-protection? == |
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[[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}]] recently had minor vandalism by 81.77.181.250 and |
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59.144.70.54. Is it time to [[WP:SEMI|semi-protect]] this page? --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 20:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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: No. The rate of vandalism is quite low, and semi-protection is not warranted. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 22:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC) |
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: I agree with [[User:Titoxd|Titoxd]]. Semi-protection is rather drastic and although this is a fairly high visibility article, minor vandalism which is quickly reverted (since it is so visible it will be even more quickly reverted than usual with some many people having this article on their watchlist and in general looking out for it) isn't enough justification to do such. --[[User:Frank Lofaro Jr.|Frank Lofaro Jr.]] 22:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== "free software" == |
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The term is not ambiguous. The general name for software of no cost in English is [[freeware]]. The term "free software" has been in use for well over a decade now, and is the preferred term for GPL-licensed software. |
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In particular, MediaWiki's [http://www.mediawiki.org own website] currently uses the term "free software". I've changed this back. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 10:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Unambiguous for you and for me? True. For some less technical than us, no. Open source, if they don't know what it means, they could just click a link and be informed. The term is preferred by the [[Free Software Foundation]], but not by business. Free can mean gratis (zero cost) or liberated (libre). English unfortunately uses the same term. If I give a computer user an executable, non-pirated, with use and redistribution restrictions, but don't charge him or her for it, 99% of the time he or she will say it is "free software". Open source gets around the ambiguity of the word "free" (a shortcoming of English). Even "open source" might not be a perfect term (could be interpreted as open to viewing but not change), but it is the best we've got. --[[User:Frank Lofaro Jr.|Frank Lofaro Jr.]] 22:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Another alternative might be FOSS. It's quite widely used and unambigious in my opinion, though Wikipedia currently just [[Free and open-source software|redirects]] the term. [[User:CiaranG|CiaranG]] 22:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Some merging of that article and reorganization is likely called for. Merge "free software" and "open source" and that article into one and use redirects perhaps? Perhaps all the different licenses should all be merged into the article on [[software licensing]]. --[[User:Frank Lofaro Jr.|Frank Lofaro Jr.]] 22:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::: Wikipedia is not intended to cater to the lowest common denominator. Free software and open source have separate articles because they represent different things. Both terms are meaningless to uninformed parties, making the ambiguity point irrelevant. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 00:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia version == |
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Wikipedia is currently running "1.10alpha (r19669)", surprising to see [[alpha]] code in production. A mention of this perhaps should be in the article, since any version running Wikipedia is certainly [[WP:NOTE|notable]]. --[[User:Frank Lofaro Jr.|Frank Lofaro Jr.]] 23:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC) |
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: Because MediaWiki is essentially developed in response to demands from Wikimedia projects, Wikipedia (and the other projects) always run the alpha code. Changes go live a few days after they're committed. "Release" versions of MediaWiki are released every quarter (1.7, 1.8, 1.9 etc.), with bugfix updates (1.8.1, 1.8.2 etc.) following on from those; non-Wikimedia sites use these versions. This, among other things, means that Wikipedia doesn't have to wait for anything up to three months for new features to be implemented, they can be rushed in in a couple of weeks if necessary (e.g. the cascading protection that was recently added) – [[User:Qxz|Qxz]] 14:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Can mere mortals get that code and run it? If so, it should be mentioned. If I want to run a wiki, especially a small or a test one, I am quite likely to say "if it is good enough for Wikipedia it is good enough for me". Any showstopper bugs will go away fast, since any bug that crashes or seriously degrades Wikipedia will result in a new version or Wikipedia rolling back ASAP. Plus having users that are willing run the alpha code helps testing and can possibly find a bug before Wikipedia is badly hurt. I'd run it if/when I have a wiki. --[[User:Frank Lofaro Jr.|Frank Lofaro Jr.]] 19:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN - You can grab the files yourself from the SVN Server [[User:Reedy Boy|Reedy Boy]] 20:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, you can get and run the latest code yourself. Note also that there is a test wiki – http://test.wikipedia.org/. This is updated to the latest version before it's applied across all Wikimedia project, so the developers can test things there; I imagine most of them have their own private MediaWiki installations too. (So don't worry, new code doesn't 'go live' without testing!) – [[User:Qxz|Qxz]] 20:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Features list subheadings == |
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Far too many of these, they're uglifying TOC. We should remove most sub-headings, short paragraphs don't necessarily need headers to be distinguished. |
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The namespaces section is huge? Must we list all of Mediawiki's namespaces? Are these even fixed? [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 13:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC) |
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: The namespaces listed there are fixed, though extra custom namespaces can be added (Wikipedia has the Portal namespace, for example, which is a custom one). I agree the table isn't really necessary. I recommend renaming "Key features" to "Features", stripping out all those sub-headers and possibly re-organizing it into two or three larger sub-sections if there's too much to fit in one sub-section – [[User:Qxz|Qxz]] 06:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== On [[Portal:Free software]], MediaWiki is currently the selected article == |
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(2007-04-03) Just to let you know. The purpose of selecting an article is both to point readers to the article and to highlight it to potential contributors. It will remain on the portal for a week or so. The previous selected article was [[OpenSolaris]]. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 18:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:The selected article box has been updated again, MediaWiki has been superceded by [[WorldWideWeb]] (the first web-browser). [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] 07:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== Confusing about Free link == |
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The article mentions ''"free links" instead of CamelCase''. But when I click on "free links", I come to the article CamelCase, which doesn't mention ''Free links'' at all! [[User:OlavN|OlavN]] 08:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:I've posted a remark on the talk page of that article. [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] 10:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== WTF? MediaWiki is not a rapper... == |
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Someone (check the history for the IP) is changing this article to... hell, I don't even know. If there's a way I can revert this, I have no idea how, so could someone else deal with it? Personally I suggest warning/banning the IP, but that goes without saying I would think. |
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:I've reverted it. [[User:Reedy Boy|Reedy Boy]] 14:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== What is meant by "language family" here? == |
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<blockquote> |
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the Wikimedia project and language family |
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</blockquote> |
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Does this bit of the article mean "Wikipedia in all its languages" or something similar? If so, it should be rephrased, because it's really unclear like this. [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] 10:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Version histories == |
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I don't know that a Wikipedia article is the place to have the details of version histories ([[MediaWiki#Release history|this]]). I don't want to just flat out remove it, but I believe that an external link to MediaWiki's release history page would be more suitable.-[[User:Ljlego|Ljlego]] 23:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Download Link == |
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Shouldn't the link to download MediaWiki should be one from the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download official site]? It just seems safer and more conveniant that way.. --[[User:WhereIsTheCite?|WhereIsTheCite?]] 05:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:I agree; I've changed the link. [[User:Korg|Korg]] <small>(''[[User talk:Korg|talk]]'')</small> 17:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== Add section? == |
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Maybe someone can add a section with popular wikis that run MediaWiki, if there isn't already one. |
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[[User:CalD|CalD]] ([[User talk:CalD|talk]]) 09:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:There's a list of thousands of them on http://wikiindex.org/Category:MediaWiki if you're feeling really bored some day. :) --[[Special:Contributions/66.102.83.61|66.102.83.61]] ([[User talk:66.102.83.61|talk]]) 01:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC) |
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==Request for expansion== |
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Hiya, could someone who knows the subject, please expand the lead to indicate when the software was created? I saw that there's a "2002" category on the article, but there doesn't seem to be any other information in the article that indicates date of origin. Thanks, [[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 09:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC) |
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I first put my codebase into CVS in May of 2002. That was after working on it privately for a few weeks, so it's safe to say I started coding sometime around April 2002. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker|talk]]) 03:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== From other wikis == |
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Is there any page about how to change from a wiki engine to MediaWiki (preserving the database)?. If not, one would create a wiki page about this How-To. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Nopetro|Nopetro]] ([[User talk:Nopetro|talk]]) 10:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC) |
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italia <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.49.215.180|88.49.215.180]] ([[User talk:88.49.215.180|talk]]) 11:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== There Are Manuals for MediaWiki now == |
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There is a book on MediaWiki now: |
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"MediaWiki Administrator's Guide: Tutorial Guide", by Mizanur Rahman, ISBN: 9781904811-59-6 |
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There is also a book on Wikipedia.org that is very applicable to MediaWiki in general: |
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"Wikipedia: The Missing Manual", by John Broughton, |
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ISBN-10: 0-596-51516-2 |
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ISBN-13: 978-0-596-51516-4 |
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I would like to make a motion to include these two books on the article's page. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.70.40.128|166.70.40.128]] ([[User talk:166.70.40.128|talk]]) 04:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Brion Vibber page == |
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I know it got merged, but is it really that hard to find references to support separate article page for the developer of one of the world's most visited websites? |
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[[User:Lakinekaki|Lakinekaki]] ([[User talk:Lakinekaki|talk]]) 00:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== API == |
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Wikimedia projects have recently switched on the write capability in the API at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php. I am not sure this is the best article in which to mention this but it could be put somewhere. There seems to be no mention of the API in [[Wikipedia:Bot policy]] either--[[User:Zven|Zven]] ([[User talk:Zven|talk]]) 23:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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: No, it should not be mentioned here, as it has nothing to do with MediaWiki. Of course, one could mention that MediaWiki also provides an API intended for machine-use. --[[User:JensMueller|JensMueller]] ([[User talk:JensMueller|talk]]) 23:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:: Well I think the API layer is eligible to be in the article as is part of the mediaWiki core code in [http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/ SubVersion], and not a third party application. What your effectively saying is that human user interactivity functionality is all that is eligible for the article, not functionality that makes more efficient client side bots --[[User:Zven|Zven]] ([[User talk:Zven|talk]]) 00:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Move Release history section to a new page== |
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"It has been suggested that the Release history section be split into a new article entitled [[MediaWiki release history]]." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki&diff=244367437&oldid=243443277] |
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*'''Strong support''', huge section makes cuts up the text of the article. [[User:Odessaukrain|Odessaukrain]] ([[User talk:Odessaukrain|talk]]) 15:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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*Yes I did put the tag on the over-long section, but try not to imply that I requested a formal vote. I'll let my edit speak for itself. As for you, if you agree with the suggested changes and nobody objects (by removing the tag), then just create a new page and be done with it. If somebody reverts it back (which is fine—this is a wiki!) then we can have a serious discussion, but this isn't one. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 21:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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**OK, [[MediaWiki release history|done]]. [[User:It Is Me Here|It Is Me Here]] ([[User talk:It Is Me Here|talk]]) 07:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==WikiText== |
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MediaWiki [[WikiText]] is actually a document format (let's say: MWWT in the Age of TLA:S (ATLAS or AoTLAS)), which is presumably intuitively understandable by literate humans that know of keyboards. This should be in the article (not the abbrevs, at least not yet!) some way, but I cannot see how, now. Said: [[User:Rursus|Rursus]] ([[User talk:Rursus|☻]]) 10:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Requests == |
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Request #1: Navigatability |
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I think that in articles where we have comparisons there should be an interface to filter items that meet certain criteria that the user chooses. It's not the same as sorting the features lists by these criteria. It's a lot more useful than that. |
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[[User:512upload|512upload]] ([[User talk:512upload|talk]]) 09:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Is this notable? == |
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Currently I don't see any sources showing that this software is notable. If it is, shouldn't such be justified be justified by citations? Seems a lot of the article may be self-published or non-notable, though I may not understand these issues well. |
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I think it should be notable, just as several deleted/unrefrenced wikipedia topics should be, but I'm not sure without the citations beyond the self-published. Has this software had signifigant coverage? |
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What do you guys think? --[[User:Δζ|Δζ]] ([[User talk:Δζ|talk]]) 06:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'd imagine [http://www.amazon.com/s?index=blended&link_code=qs&field-keywords=mediawiki these books] would serve as useful sources, if any extra were needed. The article seems fine as it is, though. Evaluating software for notability isn't the same thing as evaluating, say, a person, and the threshold is in practice a bit lower. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> <span title="Talk:MediaWiki">§</span> 18:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your input. Could you identify what you think establishes this article's notability, please? The refrences seem almost entirely self published or of questionable support for the subject's notability. As I said I'm not the most knowledgable on these things, but it seems like it may not be notable to me. Could you or anyone else identify the policy on notability in regards to software? And can anyone given their opinion on if this article meets notability guidelines presently? --[[User:Δζ|Δζ]] ([[User talk:Δζ|talk]]) 00:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Don't take my word for it, but I think that the fact that MediaWiki is used on all of the Wikimedia projects in addition to a lot of other sites is enough to make it notable enough to put on Wikipedia. [[User:JackSlice|<span style="color:blue">'''JackSlice'''</span>]][[User_talk:JackSlice|<span style="color:red"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/JackSlice|<span style="color:red"><sub>Adds</sub></span>]] 04:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Software architecture == |
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I think there should be some high-level coverage of the software architecture. --[[User:JensMueller|JensMueller]] ([[User talk:JensMueller|talk]]) 00:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Redirect from Tim Starling == |
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Why does Tim Starling redirect here? Doesn't make sense. -- [[Special:Contributions/94.194.60.19|94.194.60.19]] ([[User talk:94.194.60.19|talk]]) 20:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC) |
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:Because he's one of the primary MW developers but isn't deemed notable enough for a separate article. -- [[User:Mentifisto|<font color="#800080" face="courier new">Menti</font>]][[User talk:Mentifisto|<font color="#000000" face="courier new">fisto</font>]] 09:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Could anyone please create a wiki template which enables ...... == |
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wikipedia writers to upload images in the wiki article discussion sections--[[Special:Contributions/222.67.210.32|222.67.210.32]] ([[User talk:222.67.210.32|talk]]) 09:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:You can use the usual [[Special:Upload]] (logged in) and then [[WP:IMAGE|embed]] the images like is usually done. -- [[User:Mentifisto|<font color="#800080" face="courier new">Menti</font>]][[User talk:Mentifisto|<font color="#000000" face="courier new">fisto</font>]] 09:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== PhoneNews == |
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[http://www.phonenews.com/stepping-in-to-stop-a-feud...-9276/ PhoneNews claims to be "pioneer of self-run MediaWiki technology"]. What does this mean, and does this statement have credence? The articles was written by PhoneNews' founder, appears bias, and seems to be subtlety attacking Wikipedia. The author of the article, Christopher Price (who also happens to be PhoneNews' founder), also said the following in the [http://www.phonenews.com/stepping-in-to-stop-a-feud...-9276/#comments comments section]: |
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{{Quote|''We were one of the first news organizations to deploy MediaWiki as a core part of our site. We accelerated growth by backing the development of content on the Phone Encyclopedia. We developed the Phone Encyclopedia long before sites like Wikia emerged.''|Christopher Price}} |
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Chris is also claiming that Wikipedia steals ideas from PhoneNews: |
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{{Quote|''Of course, we disagree, much of Wikipedia’s hierarchy in the mobile phone categories is modeled after the Phone Encyclopedia; not the other way around.''|Christopher Price}} |
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Is any of this true, or are they lies? --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 13:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==License and development == |
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MediaWiki is [[free and open source software]] and distributed under the terms of the [[GNU General Public License]] version 2 or any later version while its documentation is released under the [[Creative Commons licenses|Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0]] license and partly in the [[public domain]],<ref>{{cite web| url = http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Copyrights| title = MediaWiki.org Project:Copyrights| accessdate = 2009-08-17 }}</ref>, it has an active volunteer community for development and maintenance and at the core we have a small group of paid programmers for daily maintenance ([[Software bug|bug]] fixing) and development for the projects of the [[Wikimedia foundation]], the salaries of this small group are paid from your donations<ref>[http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Support_Wikipedia/en Donations]</ref> (see our fundraiser) and is the [[open source software]] model that we use for the MediaWiki Software free to download AND free in use, a Not For Profit model, which is different from other [[commercial]] open source software models like [[MySQL]]<ref>[http://www.mysql.com/products/enterprise/features.html Mysql Support]</ref> or [[Ubuntu]]<ref>[http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=31 Canonical-Ubuntu Support]</ref> where the download is free, but where you have to pay to get the latest version of the software or assistance. |
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:I made small improvements to the text, i hope this is better. The mention of the donations is needed to show how we as a non profit organization cover the costs of the software, and to make that more clear how ubuntu covers its costs the paid support is added. [[User:Mion|Mion]] ([[User talk:Mion|talk]]) 14:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::I've readded the comparison with MySQL and Ubuntu's model, but isn't the source of WMF developers' salaries obvious? The use of second person-i.e. 'you' and 'we' isn't really appropriate in encyclopaedias (see [[WP:YOU]]). --[[User:Zvn|Zvn]] ([[User talk:Zvn|talk]]) 15:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Maybe I should also make more clear the commercial covering of the costs by [[Mark Shuttleworth]], aldo thats difficult as it is a commercial and closed organization, next to paid support, the firefox browser is hooked into the desktop distribution (dont try to remove it), firefox has 90% of its income from Google and in return if you fire up firefox, within 5 minutes your browser will contact the Google servers to tell the servers your IP is alive, as Google is the standard browser in Firefox the browser delivers surfers to the Google search engine, as Mark joins the trick we can safely assume he shares in the financial contributions of Google, the same with branding of names, some of the first drivers noted in the Ubuntu desktops are the Canon and HP drivers, the commercial drivers, a sort of [[cobranding]]/advertizing. As the MediaWiki software is a support framework from the Non Profit Wikimedia Foundation and essential for Wikipedia a commercial model like Ubuntu is not allowed. [[User:Mion|Mion]] ([[User talk:Mion|talk]]) 15:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Sunflower == |
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Does the sunflower, apart from the brackets surrounding it, have any special symbolism pertaining to MediaWiki? [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] ([[User talk:Tisane|talk]]) 11:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:IIRC, it was a runner-up in a contest for Wikipedia's logo, ages ago. Before my time, though. —[[User:Simetrical|Aryeh Gregor]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 17:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC) |
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::I created symbolism for it [[Template:Sunflower gift|after the fact]]. [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] ([[User talk:Tisane|talk]]) 18:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC) |
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== Major contributors to the MediaWiki codebase == |
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Who would you say are the several people who made the most important/major contributions to the MediaWiki codebase? [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] ([[User talk:Tisane|talk]]) 23:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:A list of important contributors is given in [[Special:Version]]. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] ([[User talk:Tim Starling|talk]]) 02:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::Where "important" means "decided to add themselves at some point, or was randomly added by someone else". :) —[[User:Simetrical|Aryeh Gregor]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 19:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== Recent changes to "Limitations" == |
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From reading the paper, the "online upgrades" part only applies to sites using multiple database servers, like Wikipedia, but not like the majority of users. For other sites, it doesn't matter nearly as much if there are incompatible schema changes. There are complaints about the upgrade process, but that isn't really it (complaints are mainly about the lack of an easy web-based upgrade tool). |
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As for "difficulties in integrating with Ruby on Rails" ... What? 1) Why only Ruby? Why not ASP.NET, JSP, Perl, INTERCAL, or any language that isn't PHP? 2) This is an issue with almost anything. Saying that a web application written in PHP can't easily integrate with one written in Ruby is a limitation of that specific application is like saying that one of the limitations of Barack Obama is that he doesn't glow in the dark. From reading the source used, it looks more like a "this looked like too much work and we couldn't be bothered" note than a conclusion of the project. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 02:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:Barack Obama's not being able to glow in the dark is a limitation, isn't it? Similarly, the inability of MediaWiki to convert its own codebase into Ruby on Rails at the touch of a button is a limitation of MediaWiki. Granted, we don't mention the aforementioned limitation of Obama in the [[Barack Obama]] article because a list of such limitations could go on forever, and it's common to humans, so we probably shouldn't include that particular MediaWiki limitation either, since it's common to PHP applications in general. [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] ([[User talk:Tisane|talk]]) 02:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC) |
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{{/GA1}} |
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I tried to install mediawiki, once, but it failed. |
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Can it be possible to install mediawiki on 000webhost.com, or x10hosting.com <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lolpicture|Lolpicture]] ([[User talk:Lolpicture|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lolpicture|contribs]]) 16:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== How's that again? == |
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The article says: |
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MediaWiki is a popular free web-based wiki software application developed by, |
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used by and powers all projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, such as Wikipedia ... |
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Unless I am missing something, it seems we have a grammatical glitch here. |
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[[User:Toddcs|Toddcs]] ([[User talk:Toddcs|talk]]) 19:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:You're right, that was hard to read. I've tried to break it up and make it easier to parse. It now reads as follows; there may be more tweaks to get it just right, but I hope this is better. |
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:{{quote|'''MediaWiki''' is a popular [[free software|free]] [[World Wide Web|web-based]] [[wiki software]] application. It is developed by, is used by, and it runs all the projects of the [[Wikimedia Foundation]]. These include [[Wikipedia]], [[Wiktionary]], and [[Wikinews]] as well as many other wiki [[website]]s worldwide. It is written in the [[PHP]] programming language and uses a backend [[database]].}} |
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:--[[User:Nigelj|Nigelj]] ([[User talk:Nigelj|talk]]) 20:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::On re-reading it, I've had a second go. The only oddity left is the statement that "MediaWiki ... is developed by ... all the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Wikinews". Is that strictly true? Is it ''developed by'' the ''projects''? Or the ''Foundation'', or by some other identifiable group? --[[User:Nigelj|Nigelj]] ([[User talk:Nigelj|talk]]) 22:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::One must watch out for [[dangling modifier]]s here. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 04:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC) |
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== Translation == |
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We could use {{tl|source-targetLanguages}} for translations in Mediawiki / Wikipedia. --[[User:Diamondland|Diamondland]] ([[User talk:Diamondland|talk]]) 10:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== 1.17 in 2010? == |
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''1.17 started as of February 2010''? ''1.18 started as of December 2010''? |
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2010? not 2011?? [[User:Kintaro|Kintaro]] ([[User talk:Kintaro|talk]]) 02:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:yeah... it was started a year ago, and this month it's almost done, they branched it in december to stabilize for a release (1.17) while the trunk got bumped up to 1.18, i don't get what's confusing, december 2011 hasn't even happened yet [[User:Redekopmark|Mark]] ([[User talk:Redekopmark|talk]]) 03:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC) |
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::The date shown for 1.17 is earlier than the date shown for 1.16. I can see how that can be confusing, because all the dates prior to that are release dates and it's never explained what "started" means in this context. Do we need to provide dates for unreleased versions at all? The project doesn't seem to think this is important information, so why should Wikipedia's readers? [[User talk:Reach Out to the Truth|Reach Out to the Truth]] 04:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC) |
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== Section headings do not all follow WP:MOSHEAD == |
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{{Resolved|Section headings comply with [[WP:MOSHEAD]] as of 17:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC).}} |
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The MediaWiki article has some section headings that do not follow the guidelines in [[WP:MOSHEAD]], [[WP:CAPS]], and [[WP:LOWERCASE]]. Namely, second and following words in an article title should begin with lowercase letters unless the words would normally be capitalized (e.g., [[proper noun]]s), and section headings should follow the same convention as article titles. Some examples of section headings in the article that do not: |
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* "Groups and '''R'''estriction of '''A'''ccess" should be: "Groups and '''r'''estriction of '''a'''ccess" |
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* "Resources to '''D'''evelopers" should be: "Resources to '''d'''evelopers" |
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Since this article gets a lot of views, I thought I would ask on the talk page before applying the guidelines, in case there has been some consensus to violate them. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 04:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:Fixed. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 02:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC) |
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== WikiMaps == |
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Wikimaps redirects here but is not mentioned. Might want to add it? —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] 15:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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== Quotes about MediaWiki == |
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I'm doing research for ''Wikiquote'', if anyone knows of interesting or pithy quotes about [[q:MediaWiki]], please let me know at [[q:Talk:MediaWiki]], it would be most appreciated! Thank you, — '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 17:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Interwiki and inter-namespace links are not references == |
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This article currently has a large number of references consisting of interwiki or inter-namespace links. [This is a follow-up to [[User_talk:Jason_Quinn#Wikilinks|this discussion]] on my user page.] It's generally a good idea to avoid both types of links in articles but this is clearly a special case because of the article's "meta" nature. All bona-fide references in the article should be to the usual third-party reliable sources. Most if not all of the interwiki or inter-namespace "references" should be converted to wikilinks in the article. If some are to be keep "footnote style", then a new footnotes group and section should be created to cleanly separate them from the references proper. Why should we avoid using references for these? A) because it gives the reader a false sense of reliability. They see the reference superscripts and assume the material is referenced by reliable sources when it isn't. B) it's just a clunky, inefficient way of using wiki-markup. It causes an extra, unneeded step to get the reader to information they might want. I propose all these be changed. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 16:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:I disagree with A and I agree with B, but I don't have sufficient knowledge of en.wiki style guidelines to have an opinion. I note, however, that: 1) separating footnotes might be a good idea; 2) footnotes allow to specify the access date, which is sometimes very old; 3) converting everything to inline wikilinks could cause excessive linking compared to the standards for internal links, which can be quite harmful especially if clueless readers are sent to obscure project pages or technical manuals. |
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:As for the root problem of acceptable content for this article, I agree that some parts are not very well justified, for instance the link you changed is about an en.wiki gadget[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki&diff=521629115&oldid=520766491] and I'm not sure if that specific gadget among hundreds is really so relevant, ideally we'd have more sources (perhaps some more have been published in the last few years). It's also possible that some of the information contained here would be best served if moved/merged to [[mw:]] pages: for instance, the history section is very lacking here and decent there, some parts are superseded by [[mw:Manual:MediaWiki architecture]] (which is also a third-party source as it was reviewed by the editors of the book of which it's a chapter). --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 22:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Edit for clarity? == |
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I don't know exactly what this means: "Only on Wikipedia, more than 1000 automated and semi-automated bots and other tools have been developed to assist in editing MediaWiki sites." |
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If you drop the first clause ("only on Wikipedia"), then the statement is clear (I don't know if it is true). |
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I guess it means that 1000 bots exist that work on Wikipedia and that some or all also work on standard MediaWiki installations. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.172.75.121|173.172.75.121]] ([[User talk:173.172.75.121|talk]]) 22:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Name
Since when is Wikipedia's engine named MediaWiki? The article is confusing, saying that MediaWiki was written, and then it was renamed to MediaWiki...--Chealer 08:43, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
What is MediaWiki?
I read the article and still don't get a clear definition of what is MediaWiki and how it is related to the Wiki project. What is it? Is it the software behind Wikipedia and other Wikis? Is it a special type of program for special types of Wikis? I think the article lacks a clear summary definition on its first paragraph. Evallejr
- Yes, MediaWiki is the software the is behind all of the Wikimedia Organization's projects. This includes Wikipedia, Wikisource, Commons, everything. It is also available to anyone who wishes to use it for their own personal website. Jediarchives11 03:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
- I too was confused about what, exactly, MediaWiki was until I read this discussion page. IMHO Jediarchives11's above comment or something very similar should be one of the first sentences of the article
CMS
MediaWiki is a content management system (CMS). Anyone who feels otherwise with conviction, please explain how MediaWiki is not a CMS. Thanks. --Roger Chrisman 00:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC) hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajivk2k (talk • contribs) 09:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's a wiki software, maybe "Wiki Software" is a kind of CMS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.149.88 (talk) 03:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
100% speedup?!
So something that took a finite amount of time before is now done instantly?
WikianJim 00:00, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- 100% speedup means that it runs twice as fast. Speed is increased by 100%. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Mathematics. Where x is the original speed, and P is the speedup in decimals (99% = .99, 23% = .23, 100% = 1, 500% = 5), x + Px = the current speed. Ambush Commander 23:43, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Correct, but the original quote was '100% speedup, hence x+P
- No, it's x + xP. x is the speed, in units of time, and P is a value between 0.00 and 1.00 that scales x. You can't add together units of time and a scaler value as in x+P. So if it took 2 seconds before, at 50% speedup: 2 + (0.5) * 2 = 2 + 1 = 3 seconds. It has increased in speed ("sped up"), by a value that is 50% of the original time. Using 100% as P effectively doubles the new time using this wording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.0.149 (talk) 09:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Section editing: MediaWiki or Wikipedia?
A feature of Wikipedia is the ability to edit a section of an article, without having to open the entire article for editing.
Is this a feature of MediaWiki, or is it specific for Wikipedia?
- Its a feature of MediaWiki. 83.100.168.41 13:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
links
why are all the links to users and wikipedia: space external links? something about avoiding self-references? i was going to change them, but maybe not... - Omegatron 18:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
- They are external links so they will still link to the actual pages when people reuse the content. Your user page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Omegatron. Your user page is not at http://lamemirror.example.com/encyclopedia/User:Omegatron. The content may be there, but it is only a copy and not your Wikipedia user page. Likewise, our policy pages are on en.wikipedia.org, not whatever random mirror hasn't bothered to remove the project namespace. -- Cyrius|✎ 28 June 2005 12:24 (UTC)
Ramifications of English Wikipedia switching to UTF-8?
Now that Wikipedia has upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5 β1 and the English site's character encoding has switched from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8, do numeric character references have a place in English Wikipedia articles anymore? What is or will be the policy on this? —Tokek 28 June 2005 06:09 (UTC)
- Use them if you like, don't if you don't. The software doesn't enforce "policies" like this. :)
- Note that the vast majority of Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites have been running on UTF-8 for years, this one was one of the few laggards. --Brion July 5, 2005 05:10 (UTC)
MonoBook
Should this article say something about when the MonoBook skin was introduced? Or is that unrelated?
Acegikmo1 22:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
- I agree there should be some information about Monobook. I suspect most users don't know about the added features this provides and even fewer about who wrote the skin and when. Antonrojo 15:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
ETA?
Does anyone know how close we are to a stable version of MediaWiki 1.5 and when it will be released for public use? A week? Less? I bought a website to start a wiki and I thought that 1.5 was close enough that it wouldn't be worth it to start with 1.4 then upgrade. So if someone could give me an estimated date when 1.5 stable is released I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Jediarchives11 02:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
- Article now says it was released 5 Oct 05 Tedernst 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
History?
Was the first media wiki software based on usemod? The markup here is more or less the same as what cliff wrote and is still using. I know the language is different, but shouldn't the article mention the history if it's true? Tedernst 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Of course, User:Magnus Manske's MediaWiki is derived from Clifford Adams's UseModWiki (for his 1991-1999 Usenet Moderation Project = Usemod), which in turn is derived from AtisWiki, which is derived from CVWiki and finally from the WikiEngine of the WikiWikiWeb (WardsOriginalWikiEngine). It should be mentioned.
- MediaWiki as named refers to what we call "phase3" of the software, which was the original SQL-backed script from Magnus Manske, rewritten by Lee Daniel Crocker some time later, and then extensively modified following on from that. Before MediaWiki, Wikipedia used UseMod, then an altered version, before this software was written for it. It's fair to state that some initial markup was borrowed from other wikis, although not all of the current markup is, and that some ideas were taken too. Rob Church (talk) 03:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, that's not quite the way I remember it. Magnus's code was usually just called "the PHP script" for most of its use. When I did the rewrite, I basically used nearly all of Magnus's interface design but none of his internal code structure and almost none of his code (plus I added some major features like the image system, email, and such)--this was just called "the new codebase". Magnus was, of course, among the many contributors to my codebase as well. It was only well after my codebase was installed that the "phaseII" and "phaseIII" names came into use, and "phaseIII" was never used to refer to Magnus's code, only mine. The name "Mediawiki" came even later. I know, for example, that I created the "phase3" directory in CVS long after my codebase was the one in use. Magnus, Brion, and some others may have better memories than I on some of these issues--it's been a long time. --LDC 21:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
1.5 Performance
Does 1.5 actually deliver the expected performance benefits? How about a future 1.6? GreenReaper 05:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Which version does Wikipedia use?
Do MediaWiki Wikimedia sites always use the latest release? So, 1.6.4 as of now? ··gracefool |☺ 02:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Wikimedia web sites use a version of the software which is not too far (between 12 and 48 hours, for the most part, although some changes go live with immediate effect) from the current version in SVN trunk. Special:Version lists the exact repo. revision number which is live. Rob Church (talk) 01:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
No discussion of pros / cons ?
That's unusual.flux.books 13:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I must agree. I took one look at this (and I once took a colledge course in computer programming) and was completly boggled. And I thought COBOL was over complicated simplification! -- Jason Palpatine 22:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
A gentle introduction to wiki markup and the community etc?
I was able to find general markup helps w/o much fuss in the past, so I didn't care to think this article would need it. would someone mind adding a "lifecycle in the eyes of a wikipedian" type section? (and choose a better title if you can). Oh, and after that's all started yank this discussion topic :)
thanks! Supaplex 05:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Rather agree. Williamborg (Bill) 06:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Version run by WikiMedia
Shouldn't it be documented that WikiMedia is running version 1.7 of MediaWiki? FPL 17:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Irrelevant to MediaWiki itself. 86.134.91.73 03:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- Besides, the particular version information will change frequently on all the Wikimedia Foundation wikis. However, it is a feature of MediaWiki that every MediaWiki wiki has a Special:Version page which shows the version running on that wiki. Rather than try to record what version was running on every MediaWiki wiki on some particular date, we could tell the reader how to find out what version is running on the wiki of his or her interest. It might not hurt to mention that, perhaps at the bottom of, or in a subsection under, MediaWiki#Release history. --Teratornis 19:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- So I mentioned it. --Teratornis 20:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Besides, the particular version information will change frequently on all the Wikimedia Foundation wikis. However, it is a feature of MediaWiki that every MediaWiki wiki has a Special:Version page which shows the version running on that wiki. Rather than try to record what version was running on every MediaWiki wiki on some particular date, we could tell the reader how to find out what version is running on the wiki of his or her interest. It might not hurt to mention that, perhaps at the bottom of, or in a subsection under, MediaWiki#Release history. --Teratornis 19:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Editing interface picture
The picture of the editing interface of v.1.7 is unsuitable because it shows the interface of an administrator, and most users are not administrators. --Schzmo 23:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
article has a significant gap
There's no mention of how WM is set up and runs administratively. Is there a board and/or a manager? Are there employees, or is it entirely voluntary labour that maintains it? How has its relationship with WP evolved?
The section might be entitled "Administration". Tony 05:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you're looking for information about the Wikimedia Foundation, check its article. MediaWiki is about the software, rather than the organization which publishes it. I think Wikimedia Foundation addresses your questions, or at least points the way to finding the answers. The MediaWiki article says: The name (MediaWiki) has frequently caused confusion due to its intentional similarity to the "Wikimedia" name (which itself is similar to "Wikipedia"). --Teratornis 19:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Version 1.9
Version 1.9's release date was 2007-01-10. I added an entry to the table for it in MediaWiki#Release history. However, I am not aware of all the key features in the new release. I mentioned one I know about. I can revisit the table as I learn more, but hopefully, other knowledgeable users will contribute. --Teratornis 20:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Need for semi-protection?
MediaWiki recently had minor vandalism by 81.77.181.250 and 59.144.70.54. Is it time to semi-protect this page? --Teratornis 20:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- No. The rate of vandalism is quite low, and semi-protection is not warranted. Titoxd(?!?) 22:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Titoxd. Semi-protection is rather drastic and although this is a fairly high visibility article, minor vandalism which is quickly reverted (since it is so visible it will be even more quickly reverted than usual with some many people having this article on their watchlist and in general looking out for it) isn't enough justification to do such. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 22:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
"free software"
The term is not ambiguous. The general name for software of no cost in English is freeware. The term "free software" has been in use for well over a decade now, and is the preferred term for GPL-licensed software.
In particular, MediaWiki's own website currently uses the term "free software". I've changed this back. Chris Cunningham 10:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Unambiguous for you and for me? True. For some less technical than us, no. Open source, if they don't know what it means, they could just click a link and be informed. The term is preferred by the Free Software Foundation, but not by business. Free can mean gratis (zero cost) or liberated (libre). English unfortunately uses the same term. If I give a computer user an executable, non-pirated, with use and redistribution restrictions, but don't charge him or her for it, 99% of the time he or she will say it is "free software". Open source gets around the ambiguity of the word "free" (a shortcoming of English). Even "open source" might not be a perfect term (could be interpreted as open to viewing but not change), but it is the best we've got. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 22:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Some merging of that article and reorganization is likely called for. Merge "free software" and "open source" and that article into one and use redirects perhaps? Perhaps all the different licenses should all be merged into the article on software licensing. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 22:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not intended to cater to the lowest common denominator. Free software and open source have separate articles because they represent different things. Both terms are meaningless to uninformed parties, making the ambiguity point irrelevant. Chris Cunningham 00:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia version
Wikipedia is currently running "1.10alpha (r19669)", surprising to see alpha code in production. A mention of this perhaps should be in the article, since any version running Wikipedia is certainly notable. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 23:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Because MediaWiki is essentially developed in response to demands from Wikimedia projects, Wikipedia (and the other projects) always run the alpha code. Changes go live a few days after they're committed. "Release" versions of MediaWiki are released every quarter (1.7, 1.8, 1.9 etc.), with bugfix updates (1.8.1, 1.8.2 etc.) following on from those; non-Wikimedia sites use these versions. This, among other things, means that Wikipedia doesn't have to wait for anything up to three months for new features to be implemented, they can be rushed in in a couple of weeks if necessary (e.g. the cascading protection that was recently added) – Qxz 14:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Can mere mortals get that code and run it? If so, it should be mentioned. If I want to run a wiki, especially a small or a test one, I am quite likely to say "if it is good enough for Wikipedia it is good enough for me". Any showstopper bugs will go away fast, since any bug that crashes or seriously degrades Wikipedia will result in a new version or Wikipedia rolling back ASAP. Plus having users that are willing run the alpha code helps testing and can possibly find a bug before Wikipedia is badly hurt. I'd run it if/when I have a wiki. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 19:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN - You can grab the files yourself from the SVN Server Reedy Boy 20:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, you can get and run the latest code yourself. Note also that there is a test wiki – http://test.wikipedia.org/. This is updated to the latest version before it's applied across all Wikimedia project, so the developers can test things there; I imagine most of them have their own private MediaWiki installations too. (So don't worry, new code doesn't 'go live' without testing!) – Qxz 20:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Features list subheadings
Far too many of these, they're uglifying TOC. We should remove most sub-headings, short paragraphs don't necessarily need headers to be distinguished.
The namespaces section is huge? Must we list all of Mediawiki's namespaces? Are these even fixed? Chris Cunningham 13:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- The namespaces listed there are fixed, though extra custom namespaces can be added (Wikipedia has the Portal namespace, for example, which is a custom one). I agree the table isn't really necessary. I recommend renaming "Key features" to "Features", stripping out all those sub-headers and possibly re-organizing it into two or three larger sub-sections if there's too much to fit in one sub-section – Qxz 06:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
On Portal:Free software, MediaWiki is currently the selected article
(2007-04-03) Just to let you know. The purpose of selecting an article is both to point readers to the article and to highlight it to potential contributors. It will remain on the portal for a week or so. The previous selected article was OpenSolaris. Gronky 18:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- The selected article box has been updated again, MediaWiki has been superceded by WorldWideWeb (the first web-browser). Gronky 07:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Confusing about Free link
The article mentions "free links" instead of CamelCase. But when I click on "free links", I come to the article CamelCase, which doesn't mention Free links at all! OlavN 08:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've posted a remark on the talk page of that article. Shinobu 10:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
WTF? MediaWiki is not a rapper...
Someone (check the history for the IP) is changing this article to... hell, I don't even know. If there's a way I can revert this, I have no idea how, so could someone else deal with it? Personally I suggest warning/banning the IP, but that goes without saying I would think.
- I've reverted it. Reedy Boy 14:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
What is meant by "language family" here?
the Wikimedia project and language family
Does this bit of the article mean "Wikipedia in all its languages" or something similar? If so, it should be rephrased, because it's really unclear like this. Shinobu 10:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Version histories
I don't know that a Wikipedia article is the place to have the details of version histories (this). I don't want to just flat out remove it, but I believe that an external link to MediaWiki's release history page would be more suitable.-Ljlego 23:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Download Link
Shouldn't the link to download MediaWiki should be one from the official site? It just seems safer and more conveniant that way.. --WhereIsTheCite? 05:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Add section?
Maybe someone can add a section with popular wikis that run MediaWiki, if there isn't already one.
CalD (talk) 09:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- There's a list of thousands of them on http://wikiindex.org/Category:MediaWiki if you're feeling really bored some day. :) --66.102.83.61 (talk) 01:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Request for expansion
Hiya, could someone who knows the subject, please expand the lead to indicate when the software was created? I saw that there's a "2002" category on the article, but there doesn't seem to be any other information in the article that indicates date of origin. Thanks, Elonka 09:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I first put my codebase into CVS in May of 2002. That was after working on it privately for a few weeks, so it's safe to say I started coding sometime around April 2002. --LDC (talk) 03:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
From other wikis
Is there any page about how to change from a wiki engine to MediaWiki (preserving the database)?. If not, one would create a wiki page about this How-To. Thanks in advance. --Nopetro (talk) 10:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
italia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.49.215.180 (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
There Are Manuals for MediaWiki now
There is a book on MediaWiki now:
"MediaWiki Administrator's Guide: Tutorial Guide", by Mizanur Rahman, ISBN: 9781904811-59-6
There is also a book on Wikipedia.org that is very applicable to MediaWiki in general:
"Wikipedia: The Missing Manual", by John Broughton, ISBN-10: 0-596-51516-2 ISBN-13: 978-0-596-51516-4
I would like to make a motion to include these two books on the article's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.70.40.128 (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Brion Vibber page
I know it got merged, but is it really that hard to find references to support separate article page for the developer of one of the world's most visited websites?
Lakinekaki (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
API
Wikimedia projects have recently switched on the write capability in the API at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php. I am not sure this is the best article in which to mention this but it could be put somewhere. There seems to be no mention of the API in Wikipedia:Bot policy either--Zven (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, it should not be mentioned here, as it has nothing to do with MediaWiki. Of course, one could mention that MediaWiki also provides an API intended for machine-use. --JensMueller (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well I think the API layer is eligible to be in the article as is part of the mediaWiki core code in SubVersion, and not a third party application. What your effectively saying is that human user interactivity functionality is all that is eligible for the article, not functionality that makes more efficient client side bots --Zven (talk) 00:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Move Release history section to a new page
"It has been suggested that the Release history section be split into a new article entitled MediaWiki release history." [1]
- Strong support, huge section makes cuts up the text of the article. Odessaukrain (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes I did put the tag on the over-long section, but try not to imply that I requested a formal vote. I'll let my edit speak for itself. As for you, if you agree with the suggested changes and nobody objects (by removing the tag), then just create a new page and be done with it. If somebody reverts it back (which is fine—this is a wiki!) then we can have a serious discussion, but this isn't one. — CharlotteWebb 21:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- OK, done. It Is Me Here (talk) 07:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
WikiText
MediaWiki WikiText is actually a document format (let's say: MWWT in the Age of TLA:S (ATLAS or AoTLAS)), which is presumably intuitively understandable by literate humans that know of keyboards. This should be in the article (not the abbrevs, at least not yet!) some way, but I cannot see how, now. Said: Rursus (☻) 10:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Requests
Request #1: Navigatability
I think that in articles where we have comparisons there should be an interface to filter items that meet certain criteria that the user chooses. It's not the same as sorting the features lists by these criteria. It's a lot more useful than that.
512upload (talk) 09:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Is this notable?
Currently I don't see any sources showing that this software is notable. If it is, shouldn't such be justified be justified by citations? Seems a lot of the article may be self-published or non-notable, though I may not understand these issues well.
I think it should be notable, just as several deleted/unrefrenced wikipedia topics should be, but I'm not sure without the citations beyond the self-published. Has this software had signifigant coverage?
What do you guys think? --Δζ (talk) 06:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'd imagine these books would serve as useful sources, if any extra were needed. The article seems fine as it is, though. Evaluating software for notability isn't the same thing as evaluating, say, a person, and the threshold is in practice a bit lower. GracenotesT § 18:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input. Could you identify what you think establishes this article's notability, please? The refrences seem almost entirely self published or of questionable support for the subject's notability. As I said I'm not the most knowledgable on these things, but it seems like it may not be notable to me. Could you or anyone else identify the policy on notability in regards to software? And can anyone given their opinion on if this article meets notability guidelines presently? --Δζ (talk) 00:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Software architecture
I think there should be some high-level coverage of the software architecture. --JensMueller (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Redirect from Tim Starling
Why does Tim Starling redirect here? Doesn't make sense. -- 94.194.60.19 (talk) 20:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Because he's one of the primary MW developers but isn't deemed notable enough for a separate article. -- Mentifisto 09:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone please create a wiki template which enables ......
wikipedia writers to upload images in the wiki article discussion sections--222.67.210.32 (talk) 09:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- You can use the usual Special:Upload (logged in) and then embed the images like is usually done. -- Mentifisto 09:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
PhoneNews
PhoneNews claims to be "pioneer of self-run MediaWiki technology". What does this mean, and does this statement have credence? The articles was written by PhoneNews' founder, appears bias, and seems to be subtlety attacking Wikipedia. The author of the article, Christopher Price (who also happens to be PhoneNews' founder), also said the following in the comments section:
We were one of the first news organizations to deploy MediaWiki as a core part of our site. We accelerated growth by backing the development of content on the Phone Encyclopedia. We developed the Phone Encyclopedia long before sites like Wikia emerged.
— Christopher Price
Chris is also claiming that Wikipedia steals ideas from PhoneNews:
Of course, we disagree, much of Wikipedia’s hierarchy in the mobile phone categories is modeled after the Phone Encyclopedia; not the other way around.
— Christopher Price
Is any of this true, or are they lies? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
License and development
MediaWiki is free and open source software and distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2 or any later version while its documentation is released under the Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 license and partly in the public domain,[1], it has an active volunteer community for development and maintenance and at the core we have a small group of paid programmers for daily maintenance (bug fixing) and development for the projects of the Wikimedia foundation, the salaries of this small group are paid from your donations[2] (see our fundraiser) and is the open source software model that we use for the MediaWiki Software free to download AND free in use, a Not For Profit model, which is different from other commercial open source software models like MySQL[3] or Ubuntu[4] where the download is free, but where you have to pay to get the latest version of the software or assistance.
- I made small improvements to the text, i hope this is better. The mention of the donations is needed to show how we as a non profit organization cover the costs of the software, and to make that more clear how ubuntu covers its costs the paid support is added. Mion (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've readded the comparison with MySQL and Ubuntu's model, but isn't the source of WMF developers' salaries obvious? The use of second person-i.e. 'you' and 'we' isn't really appropriate in encyclopaedias (see WP:YOU). --Zvn (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe I should also make more clear the commercial covering of the costs by Mark Shuttleworth, aldo thats difficult as it is a commercial and closed organization, next to paid support, the firefox browser is hooked into the desktop distribution (dont try to remove it), firefox has 90% of its income from Google and in return if you fire up firefox, within 5 minutes your browser will contact the Google servers to tell the servers your IP is alive, as Google is the standard browser in Firefox the browser delivers surfers to the Google search engine, as Mark joins the trick we can safely assume he shares in the financial contributions of Google, the same with branding of names, some of the first drivers noted in the Ubuntu desktops are the Canon and HP drivers, the commercial drivers, a sort of cobranding/advertizing. As the MediaWiki software is a support framework from the Non Profit Wikimedia Foundation and essential for Wikipedia a commercial model like Ubuntu is not allowed. Mion (talk) 15:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've readded the comparison with MySQL and Ubuntu's model, but isn't the source of WMF developers' salaries obvious? The use of second person-i.e. 'you' and 'we' isn't really appropriate in encyclopaedias (see WP:YOU). --Zvn (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Sunflower
Does the sunflower, apart from the brackets surrounding it, have any special symbolism pertaining to MediaWiki? Tisane (talk) 11:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- IIRC, it was a runner-up in a contest for Wikipedia's logo, ages ago. Before my time, though. —Aryeh Gregor (talk • contribs) 17:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- I created symbolism for it after the fact. Tisane (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Major contributors to the MediaWiki codebase
Who would you say are the several people who made the most important/major contributions to the MediaWiki codebase? Tisane (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- A list of important contributors is given in Special:Version. -- Tim Starling (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Where "important" means "decided to add themselves at some point, or was randomly added by someone else". :) —Aryeh Gregor (talk • contribs) 19:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Recent changes to "Limitations"
From reading the paper, the "online upgrades" part only applies to sites using multiple database servers, like Wikipedia, but not like the majority of users. For other sites, it doesn't matter nearly as much if there are incompatible schema changes. There are complaints about the upgrade process, but that isn't really it (complaints are mainly about the lack of an easy web-based upgrade tool).
As for "difficulties in integrating with Ruby on Rails" ... What? 1) Why only Ruby? Why not ASP.NET, JSP, Perl, INTERCAL, or any language that isn't PHP? 2) This is an issue with almost anything. Saying that a web application written in PHP can't easily integrate with one written in Ruby is a limitation of that specific application is like saying that one of the limitations of Barack Obama is that he doesn't glow in the dark. From reading the source used, it looks more like a "this looked like too much work and we couldn't be bothered" note than a conclusion of the project. Mr.Z-man 02:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
- Barack Obama's not being able to glow in the dark is a limitation, isn't it? Similarly, the inability of MediaWiki to convert its own codebase into Ruby on Rails at the touch of a button is a limitation of MediaWiki. Granted, we don't mention the aforementioned limitation of Obama in the Barack Obama article because a list of such limitations could go on forever, and it's common to humans, so we probably shouldn't include that particular MediaWiki limitation either, since it's common to PHP applications in general. Tisane (talk) 02:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
GA Review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:MediaWiki/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Arsenikk (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
- Comments
- Remember to subst {{GAN}} on the talk page when nominating.
- Image licenses check out fine.
- The references are a mess. About half the references completely lack formatting. The main problem is of course that the MediaWiki Wiki is not a reliable source and cannot be used for referencing. Since most of the information on the page is from this, I am forced to fail the article, as it is no small task finding alternative sources. Many of the other sources are sound an reliable, perhaps some of them contain additional information. Remember that information that can be credited to individuals or MediaWiki as an "institution" (but not a collective effort) can be used for self-description.
- Neither of the quotes provide information that is suitable for a quote. For the grading issue, it reads like a promotion. Instead, paraphrase and explain that the software can be used to track the individual efforts of participants. Regarding extensions, again, paraphrase the information instead of quoting it. The language is too informal for an encyclopedia and is lengthly enough that it may be a copyvio.
- External links should be avoided in-line. Instead, add them under "external links".
- The overall content and structure of the article seems good, but I will not conduct a word-for-word review of the full article, given that it fails on other grounds. There are the odd MOS issues (none that fall within the GA scope that I could see), but otherwise the prose is well written and flows well.
Failing article. Feel free to renominate once the referencing and other issues have been resolved. Arsenikk (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I tried to install mediawiki, once, but it failed.
Can it be possible to install mediawiki on 000webhost.com, or x10hosting.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolpicture (talk • contribs) 16:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
How's that again?
The article says:
MediaWiki is a popular free web-based wiki software application developed by, used by and powers all projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, such as Wikipedia ...
Unless I am missing something, it seems we have a grammatical glitch here. Toddcs (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- You're right, that was hard to read. I've tried to break it up and make it easier to parse. It now reads as follows; there may be more tweaks to get it just right, but I hope this is better.
MediaWiki is a popular free web-based wiki software application. It is developed by, is used by, and it runs all the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation. These include Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Wikinews as well as many other wiki websites worldwide. It is written in the PHP programming language and uses a backend database.
- --Nigelj (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- On re-reading it, I've had a second go. The only oddity left is the statement that "MediaWiki ... is developed by ... all the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Wikinews". Is that strictly true? Is it developed by the projects? Or the Foundation, or by some other identifiable group? --Nigelj (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- One must watch out for dangling modifiers here. --Teratornis (talk) 04:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- On re-reading it, I've had a second go. The only oddity left is the statement that "MediaWiki ... is developed by ... all the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Wikinews". Is that strictly true? Is it developed by the projects? Or the Foundation, or by some other identifiable group? --Nigelj (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Translation
We could use {{source-targetLanguages}} for translations in Mediawiki / Wikipedia. --Diamondland (talk) 10:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
1.17 in 2010?
1.17 started as of February 2010? 1.18 started as of December 2010?
2010? not 2011?? Kintaro (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- yeah... it was started a year ago, and this month it's almost done, they branched it in december to stabilize for a release (1.17) while the trunk got bumped up to 1.18, i don't get what's confusing, december 2011 hasn't even happened yet Mark (talk) 03:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- The date shown for 1.17 is earlier than the date shown for 1.16. I can see how that can be confusing, because all the dates prior to that are release dates and it's never explained what "started" means in this context. Do we need to provide dates for unreleased versions at all? The project doesn't seem to think this is important information, so why should Wikipedia's readers? Reach Out to the Truth 04:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Section headings do not all follow WP:MOSHEAD
The MediaWiki article has some section headings that do not follow the guidelines in WP:MOSHEAD, WP:CAPS, and WP:LOWERCASE. Namely, second and following words in an article title should begin with lowercase letters unless the words would normally be capitalized (e.g., proper nouns), and section headings should follow the same convention as article titles. Some examples of section headings in the article that do not:
- "Groups and Restriction of Access" should be: "Groups and restriction of access"
- "Resources to Developers" should be: "Resources to developers"
Since this article gets a lot of views, I thought I would ask on the talk page before applying the guidelines, in case there has been some consensus to violate them. --Teratornis (talk) 04:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
WikiMaps
Wikimaps redirects here but is not mentioned. Might want to add it? —Pengo 15:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Quotes about MediaWiki
I'm doing research for Wikiquote, if anyone knows of interesting or pithy quotes about q:MediaWiki, please let me know at q:Talk:MediaWiki, it would be most appreciated! Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Interwiki and inter-namespace links are not references
This article currently has a large number of references consisting of interwiki or inter-namespace links. [This is a follow-up to this discussion on my user page.] It's generally a good idea to avoid both types of links in articles but this is clearly a special case because of the article's "meta" nature. All bona-fide references in the article should be to the usual third-party reliable sources. Most if not all of the interwiki or inter-namespace "references" should be converted to wikilinks in the article. If some are to be keep "footnote style", then a new footnotes group and section should be created to cleanly separate them from the references proper. Why should we avoid using references for these? A) because it gives the reader a false sense of reliability. They see the reference superscripts and assume the material is referenced by reliable sources when it isn't. B) it's just a clunky, inefficient way of using wiki-markup. It causes an extra, unneeded step to get the reader to information they might want. I propose all these be changed. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree with A and I agree with B, but I don't have sufficient knowledge of en.wiki style guidelines to have an opinion. I note, however, that: 1) separating footnotes might be a good idea; 2) footnotes allow to specify the access date, which is sometimes very old; 3) converting everything to inline wikilinks could cause excessive linking compared to the standards for internal links, which can be quite harmful especially if clueless readers are sent to obscure project pages or technical manuals.
- As for the root problem of acceptable content for this article, I agree that some parts are not very well justified, for instance the link you changed is about an en.wiki gadget[2] and I'm not sure if that specific gadget among hundreds is really so relevant, ideally we'd have more sources (perhaps some more have been published in the last few years). It's also possible that some of the information contained here would be best served if moved/merged to mw: pages: for instance, the history section is very lacking here and decent there, some parts are superseded by mw:Manual:MediaWiki architecture (which is also a third-party source as it was reviewed by the editors of the book of which it's a chapter). --Nemo 22:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit for clarity?
I don't know exactly what this means: "Only on Wikipedia, more than 1000 automated and semi-automated bots and other tools have been developed to assist in editing MediaWiki sites."
If you drop the first clause ("only on Wikipedia"), then the statement is clear (I don't know if it is true).
I guess it means that 1000 bots exist that work on Wikipedia and that some or all also work on standard MediaWiki installations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.75.121 (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- ^ "MediaWiki.org Project:Copyrights". Retrieved 2009-08-17.
- ^ Donations
- ^ Mysql Support
- ^ Canonical-Ubuntu Support