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The flowery section about fans travelling to Seville (and so on) was removed because it meandered and discussed unsubstantiated anecdotes that don't really belong in a general article about Celtic Football Club - otherwise, we'd be here for the rest of our lives recounting all sorts of memorable Celtic matches, which probably belong on some other website. This item is supposed to inform people about the club, its history, the players, achievements, records and so on - not individual accounts or personal experiences about the club. If you want to start a "Celtic in Seville" page, go ahead - but I don't think overly long items about what was ultimately a failed enterprise on Celtic's part belongs here any more than stories about fans travelling to the San Siro for the 1970 European Cup Final do. |
Revision as of 22:01, 5 October 2005
Master of Ninja, please refrain from your factually incorrect subjective prejudice, when speaking of Celtic and Rangers. For instance, Celtic also sing bigoted songs, as "IRA" chants and "F the Q and Davie Cooper" chants, as well as others have been well documented even this season. Also, MON is from Northern Ireland whether you wish him to be or not. This is a VERY CLEAR abuse of Wikipedia. Please stop this immediately. (Your spelling and grammar is also terrible.)
- Reply: I completely disagree with your analysis - I merely reverted a change which in itself was biased, with a revision comment I hoped would allow the author of the changes to try again, without taking out the major portion of the history that he did. I do not know, and do not particularly care, what the actual situation 'bigot-wise' between Rangers and Celtic is at the moment: I believe that is for other contributors to decided as long as they do not disrupt the article. The situation about MON being Northern Irish was part of the previous revision, and it was a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater unfortuantely as I do not have the time or expertise to vet the correct factual changes, along with the subjective changes. Maybe once this protection has been lifted you can change it? - Master Of Ninja 20:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rangers first Roman Catholic was not Mo Johnston in 1989. There were others, but I do not have the proof (pre WW1 there would be plenty) but recently there is one I can prove: John Spencer.
Reply: Is this page about Rangers or Celtic?
Further reply: If this page mentions Rangers it should be accurate. I did not add the Rangers aspect, it should not be there, but if it is included it should not be false. Agreed?
Is there a specific reason why the club's name is pronounce 'Seltic' and not 'Keltic'?????? 16:13, 24 Mar 2004 81.86.4.217 "Seltic" was the pronunciation used at the time the club was founded. "Keltic" has since supplanted the old pronunciation when used to describe Celtic culture, peoples etc. 19:17, 30 Jun 2004 81.152.194.26 (uniform) Clubs having uniforms identical Celtic's green-white hoops
- Sachsen Leipzig (Deutschland)
- Shamrock Rovers (Ireland)
- Belfast Celtic (Irish League, now defunct)
- Buckie Thistle (Scotland, Highland League)
- Donegal Celtic (Irish League)
- Sporting Lisbon (Portugal)
Do you know any other?137.205.8.2 21:34, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) Many Rangers supporters believe that songs swayed towards the IRA and Sinn Fein are sectarian. Although it can be said that both of these organisations are sectarian, most Celtic supporters firmly state that although the IRA have commited atrocities, it is the IRA's cause that they stand for, and not their actions. It has been proven that no song that Celtic supporters sing whilst watching their team at Celtic Park contain any sectarian lyrics whatsoever, although the political visage they give could be confused as such.
Protection and reversion
I have protected this page due to vandalism from several anon IPs and User:Egils. I may possibly have have caught some valid edits amongst the vandalism upon reverting this page. I have no idea whther the allegations regarding a member of the Club's staff are valid. If you believe these edits are justified, please discuss them here. Mintguy (T) 11:46, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This page and Rangers F.C. have been protected because of vandalism from a large number of anon IPs (many of whom have been given 24 hour bans). The protection will remain in place until it is judged safe to remove it. -- Arwel 17:44, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The protected version seems to have caught an act of vandalism. Rather than reverting back to Demiurge (who it seems has been trying to stem the anon IP changes), it is reverted to 82.40.9.6. 82.40.9.6 changes "Celtic was founded in 1888 by Brother Walfrid as a way to raise money for terribly deprived" to "Celtic was founded in 1888 by Brother Walfrid as a way to ensure that there was no dilution of the Catholic religion amongst Irish immigrants". The original would appear to be the correct version, see e.g. [1]. --stochata 18:21, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- We'll stick with the version as-is for the moment - as the header says, the protected version isn't taking sides. I was hoping a freeze of both pages for a few hours would be enough, until someone came up and edited this page nearly half an hour after Rangers was protected, so maybe I'll leave them protected until tomorrow to be on the safe side. - Arwel 18:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Fair enough.--stochata 18:53, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- We'll stick with the version as-is for the moment - as the header says, the protected version isn't taking sides. I was hoping a freeze of both pages for a few hours would be enough, until someone came up and edited this page nearly half an hour after Rangers was protected, so maybe I'll leave them protected until tomorrow to be on the safe side. - Arwel 18:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Suggestion for once protection has been lifted - give contributors a "Analysis of rivalry between Rangers and Celtic" page so that they can try and write a reasoned analysis of the situation. I'm a bit annoyed at being flamed for what I thought was a reasonable (and explained revert) - Master Of Ninja 20:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It's a nice suggestion but sadly unlikely to work. These guys would much rather throw insults around than points of argument as the (mostly insulting) pro and con edits demonstrate. -- Derek Ross | Talk 20:44, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
- It might still be worth starting History of Sectarianism in Scottish Football, with a link from this page in place of all references to chants and who had which Catholic / Protestant players. I would suggest following the example of the Hibs page, which prominently mentions the Catholic history, without then reverting to further discussion later on. Oddly enough, I notice that the Sectarianism page doesn't even mention Scotland. --stochata 21:14, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I notice this little edit war was spotted by the Sunday Herald -- [2] -- Arwel 15:16, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This protected version contains a number of inaccuracies
- ? This is a very strange comment to come from anon user 128.240.229.65, who edited the article 2 hours earlier and therefore knows perfectly well that the article is no longer protected (and indeed hasn't been since last Saturday afternoon). -- Arwel 20:50, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It has been proven that no song that Celtic supporters sing whilst watching their team at Celtic Park contain any sectarian lyrics whatsoever
I take it you've never attended a Celtic match. If you have, then you'd know that Sectarian rhetoric can be heard eminating from the stands at Celtic games. These include "North men, south men, comrades all, soon there'll be no protestants at all" and "We're off to Dublin in the Sun, F*ck the Huns!" Hun being a derogitory, disparaging and Sectarian term for a Protestant. Plus, let's not forget that Celtic supporters can be often heard chanting "Dirty Orange B*stards" at, not just Rangers fans, but fans of many other Scots teams. Bazton
I've removed the last of "193.133.113.141, 16:18, 5 August 2005 (season updates)" changes, as they were mostly vandalism. However, I've toned down the sentence about Celtic fans calling for Strachan's head - some of the more vocal fans weren't happy about the season's start. CS Miller 13:56, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Abuse
As the author of the previous anon comment I had assumed that the page was protected as any editorial changes I had made were removed on subsequent viewings. A number of points are incorrect and offensive, In particular the failure of the Irish Scots to integrate. Would someone please point out to me how this non-integration is apparent in day-day Scottish life? 195.92.168.177 20:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)Lord of the Dance
- I'm sorry -- I think I may have been overly hasty in reverting other changes and catching yours at the same time (if you were 128.240.229.65). I have just reinstated your changes. --stochata 20:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rangers revisionism keeps returning
I notice that "Rangers would not sign Catholics" is continually changed to "Catholics would not sign for Rangers". While undoubtedly Catholics may have been averse to signing for Rangers if they could, the fact remains that Rangers barred them from doing so -- for example, see this report [3]. --stochata 11:46, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Either way it's a fact that's irrelevant, this page being a NPOV piece about Celtic.
Edit war March 2005
Hi - I think we need everyone involved to actually have a discussion of what should be on the article page. The amount of reversions is quite unbelievable. I personally feel that the edit on 27 March, at 13:18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&oldid=11577398) is quite acceptable. Any ideas on this? - Master Of Ninja 18:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Master Of Ninja. I am actually in favour of the style of changes made by 217.42.x.x (I am assuming this is a session based IP address, and the person is the same). 217.42.x.x is gradually toning down and removing some of the more strongly vocalised discussion of sectarianism. However, I do think he/she goes too far in attempts to remove all references. At times it is important to note the differences with Rangers (particularly, the long standing acceptance of protestant players). This time I have actually tried a compromise rather than a blind revert. Of course, it would be preferrable if 217.42.x.x were prepared to discuss rather than slowly change the article, and to avoid misleading edit summaries. --stochata 13:43, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
UEFA Cup run 2003
It is often stated that an estimated 80,000 Celtic fans were in Seville. Is there any documentary evidence of these numbers? Jimbo79 23:41, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- The Guardian - "More than 50,000"
- UEFA.com -"With up to 70,000 Celtic and 30,000 Porto fans expected in town, the headline in Tuesday's El Correo de Andalucía ran: 'The invasion has begun'."
- CNN-SI - "In the bleachers at Seville's 52,000-seat Olympic Stadium, the green-and-white colors of Celtic far outnumbered the blue of Porto. Tens of thousands of fans, mostly Scots, who traveled to southern Spain without a ticket watched on giant video screens in the city center." -- Arwel 00:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- It is pretty well documented that they took 80,000 to Seville.
Mine is only an eye witness account but I would say that 80,000 is perfectly plausible. The whole city was jammed with tens of thousands of people wearing hooped shirts. They were noisy but well behaved.
PalX 11:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Celtic & the Media
RE: Celtic Quick News. This section of the article looks suspiciously like an advert. Is it absolutely necessary? Maybe add the link to external links at the bottom of the article?--Nicholas 15:49, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Since nobody has objected I'm gonna delete that link.--Nicholas 11:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Lack of Images
Surely someone could bring a digital camera to the stadium??? SeanMack 16:49, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
There are some pictures on the Celtic Park article but in saying that I do agree with you.
I'm somewhat inclined to tag this page for a cleanup as it really could be a lot better. May I have some feedback on this suggestion before I proceed (or better still before some self-appointed slash and burn editor cuts loose again) ?
PalX 21:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Celtic are not sectarian?
It has been proven that no song that Celtic supporters sing whilst watching their team at Celtic Park contain any sectarian lyrics whatsoever
I take it you've never attended a Celtic match. If you have, then you'd know that Sectarian rhetoric can be heard eminating from the stands at Celtic games. These include "North men, south men, comrades all, soon there'll be no protestants at all" and "We're off to Dublin in the Sun, F*ck the Huns!" Hun being a derogitory, disparaging and Sectarian term for a Protestant. Plus, let's not forget that Celtic supporters can be often heard chanting "Dirty Orange B*stards" at, not just Rangers fans, but fans of many other Scottish teams as well. Bazton
Great Celts
By no means of imagination could Eyal Berkovich be considered a great celt. He was rubbish at Celtic. Also, why is John Hughes listed here? Okay the boy had fire in his belly, but he was pretty mince!--Nicholas 11:05, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
- Oh, i was thinking about the wrong John Hughes (silly me).--Nicholas 08:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Lisbon Lions
" 30 miles from Celtic Park" Celtic F.C. " 25 miles from Glasgow" The Lisbon Lions. Any sources ? as they don't match the following[4]
Seville
The flowery section about fans travelling to Seville (and so on) was removed because it meandered and discussed unsubstantiated anecdotes that don't really belong in a general article about Celtic Football Club - otherwise, we'd be here for the rest of our lives recounting all sorts of memorable Celtic matches, which probably belong on some other website. This item is supposed to inform people about the club, its history, the players, achievements, records and so on - not individual accounts or personal experiences about the club. If you want to start a "Celtic in Seville" page, go ahead - but I don't think overly long items about what was ultimately a failed enterprise on Celtic's part belongs here any more than stories about fans travelling to the San Siro for the 1970 European Cup Final do.