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I hope these will be useful. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
I hope these will be useful. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:*Can I suggest that we only need one new template? This can be simply added to PD-art images where no source has been provided to kindly ask that a source be provided - both to enable users to verify the copyright status '''AND''' to provide a way to verify the identity of the image and so conform to [[WP:IUP]] and [[WP:V]]. |
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:*For any 3-d works of art which have been mistagged as PD-art or are missing sources that enable copyright to be verified then the normal <nowiki>{{PUIdisputed}}</nowiki> does the job fine as it calls for a review of the copyright status and/or source - and essentially that is what is needed, it also gives a chance to notify the uploader in a friendly manner and ask them to rethink the copyright tag that has been used and/or provide a source. This tag is also appropriate when the PD-art status of any image is in doubt. [[User:Madmedea|Madmedea]] 18:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Creative Commons license proposal
Is there any reason there are no templates for the Creative Commons 3.0 licenses? I tweaked one of the earlier versions to create one: {{Cc-by-nc-sa-3.0}} Gitman00 18:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. The Creative Commons 3.0 licenses explicitly incorporate moral rights into the licenses. As a result, nobody's quite certain if the 3.0 licenses meet the definition of "free" or not: see [1]. That 3.0 noncommercial license, however, is clearly not free. --Carnildo 22:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
How is it not free? As far as I can tell, I can use pictures under the license; I just can't make money off it. Am I reading it wrong? Gitman00 13:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're reading it right: part of the definition of freedom is the freedom to make money off of it. --Carnildo 21:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Gitman00, for further reading see [2] and foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy. --Iamunknown 06:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
No disclaimers GFDL template
Can someone explain the reasoning behind {{GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}}? Will this still be an issue under GFDL v2? I'm worried that we may be jumping the gun by doing this migration when all GFDL images are soon going to be switched to GFDL 2 anyway (or so I assume, since our GFDL templates says "or any later version". Kaldari 22:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- The latest draft version of GFDL version 2 still requires people to preserve any disclaimers. I figured that someone might want to have a disclaimer-free version like {{GFDL-no-disclaimers}} like how the German Wikipedia has no disclaimers. See section 4 of the latest draft version of the GFDL v2. Jesse Viviano 03:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- A couple questions:
- It appears all the disclaimers are related to articles anyway. Since the GFDL template is only used for images (and maybe audio/video) does it even make sense to have the disclaimers in the main GFDL template anyway? Rather than creating a new template (and more licensing confusion) perhaps we should consider changing the existing template.
- It may be worth trying to get images added to the GFDL definition of "excerpts" so that this is not an issue. See section 6a. They already list "up to a minute of audio or video" but no mention of images. I have brought up this issue on the comment version. Please feel free to add more comments there.
- Kaldari 15:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- For concern 1, no, it does not make much sense. However, we are required to preserve any warranty disclaimers. This is the motivation for the no-disclaimers tags' creation. For concern 2, contracts are tricky stuff. We do not want to expose anyone to the fear of a lawsuit. Therefore, implying things like that are dangerous. Jesse Viviano 16:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- 1. We are required to preserve disclaimers even if they are not applicable? 2. I don't understand what you're saying here. What contracts and lawsuits are you talking about? Are you saying that if we modify the GFDL to not require attaching disclaimers to images someone is going to sue Wikipedia? Kaldari 23:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- For question 1, yes, we are required to preserve disclaimers even if they are not applicable. For question 2, because the GFDL is a license contract, the person who released the image under the GFDL technically gets the ability to sue if the disclaimers are not preserved, because violating even the tiniest portion of any contract allows someone to get sued and lose the case. Therefore, if someone takes an image off of the English Wikipedia licensed under the GFDL with disclaimers and distributes it with or without modifications under the GFDL without disclaimers, the GFDL is violated, and therefore the original author of the image can take the distributor will be able to win a court case against the other person. If Wikipedia removes disclaimers from an image submitted by someone who later becomes an ED troll, that troll will be able to sue the user for copyright infringement on the basis of the GFDL violation. If Wikipedia decides to remove all disclaimers from GFDL images, it will violate the GFDL, and Wikipedians who became ED trolls will then sue to try to destroy Wikipedia, which is one of their main goals. Jesse Viviano 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your point, but what happens when someone agrees to a license contract under terms that can change, i.e. they agree to a license and "any future versions of the license"? Isn't that inherently agreeing to multi-license the content (under different versions of the same license)? In that case the redistributor has the priviledge of choosing which version of the license to distribute under. Obviously, if the terms of the license changed dramatically, this sort of blind agreement wouldn't stand up legally, but I really don't see changing the disclaimer requirements as being that dramatic. They are already changing the disclaimer requirements for small amounts of text, audio, and video, so why not for images as well? Perhaps it should only be for images up to a certain resolution, but even if we said up to 500K that would cover most of the images on Wikipedia, and save us the trouble of having to manually get them all relicensed by the uploaders. Kaldari 18:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I am just trying to help. If images are not excluded in that list of exclusions, then they are not excluded. If you wish to change this, go to the discussion pages at [3] and join the discussion there to add images to the list of exclusions. Remember, good contracts must be written assuming that all the parties involved could become your worst enemy. Contracts written without that assumption give a lot of undesirable wiggle room that causes messes and lawsuits due to someone misinterpreting the contract, and the other party therefore believes that the contract is breached, leading to an unclear situation on whether or not a contract is breached. Removing as much of the wiggle room in contracts is therefore good practice and reduces the risk of needing to sue or of getting sued in the first place. Jesse Viviano 21:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- All good points indeed. I just think that migrating all GFDL images to GFDL without disclaimers may be something of an impossible task. If we can avoid the problem entirely by modifying the GFDL, I would prefer to take that route first. If it doesn't pan out, I imagine your solution would be the way to go. I would just hate to see all the effort wasted if it might not be needed anyway. Why don't we see what happens with GFDLv2 first. Or if you would really prefer to start a migration now, feel free to re-add the template. I have no serious objections to it, I just wanted to discuss it first. Kaldari 23:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- I am just trying to help. If images are not excluded in that list of exclusions, then they are not excluded. If you wish to change this, go to the discussion pages at [3] and join the discussion there to add images to the list of exclusions. Remember, good contracts must be written assuming that all the parties involved could become your worst enemy. Contracts written without that assumption give a lot of undesirable wiggle room that causes messes and lawsuits due to someone misinterpreting the contract, and the other party therefore believes that the contract is breached, leading to an unclear situation on whether or not a contract is breached. Removing as much of the wiggle room in contracts is therefore good practice and reduces the risk of needing to sue or of getting sued in the first place. Jesse Viviano 21:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your point, but what happens when someone agrees to a license contract under terms that can change, i.e. they agree to a license and "any future versions of the license"? Isn't that inherently agreeing to multi-license the content (under different versions of the same license)? In that case the redistributor has the priviledge of choosing which version of the license to distribute under. Obviously, if the terms of the license changed dramatically, this sort of blind agreement wouldn't stand up legally, but I really don't see changing the disclaimer requirements as being that dramatic. They are already changing the disclaimer requirements for small amounts of text, audio, and video, so why not for images as well? Perhaps it should only be for images up to a certain resolution, but even if we said up to 500K that would cover most of the images on Wikipedia, and save us the trouble of having to manually get them all relicensed by the uploaders. Kaldari 18:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- For question 1, yes, we are required to preserve disclaimers even if they are not applicable. For question 2, because the GFDL is a license contract, the person who released the image under the GFDL technically gets the ability to sue if the disclaimers are not preserved, because violating even the tiniest portion of any contract allows someone to get sued and lose the case. Therefore, if someone takes an image off of the English Wikipedia licensed under the GFDL with disclaimers and distributes it with or without modifications under the GFDL without disclaimers, the GFDL is violated, and therefore the original author of the image can take the distributor will be able to win a court case against the other person. If Wikipedia removes disclaimers from an image submitted by someone who later becomes an ED troll, that troll will be able to sue the user for copyright infringement on the basis of the GFDL violation. If Wikipedia decides to remove all disclaimers from GFDL images, it will violate the GFDL, and Wikipedians who became ED trolls will then sue to try to destroy Wikipedia, which is one of their main goals. Jesse Viviano 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- 1. We are required to preserve disclaimers even if they are not applicable? 2. I don't understand what you're saying here. What contracts and lawsuits are you talking about? Are you saying that if we modify the GFDL to not require attaching disclaimers to images someone is going to sue Wikipedia? Kaldari 23:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- For concern 1, no, it does not make much sense. However, we are required to preserve any warranty disclaimers. This is the motivation for the no-disclaimers tags' creation. For concern 2, contracts are tricky stuff. We do not want to expose anyone to the fear of a lawsuit. Therefore, implying things like that are dangerous. Jesse Viviano 16:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- A couple questions:
1905 Italian letter
Hi all. I have a scanning of a letter written in 1905 where it is explained why the U.S. Città di Palermo colours were changed to the current pink and black. I would like to upload it for the Palermo football club article, mainly because I think it would be a great adding for its historical section. So, I would like to know if this letter could be considered in the public domain (I have no information about the year in which its author died, by the way). The letter can be also seen here. Thank you. --Angelo 21:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- If the letter was originally published in the United States prior to 1923, it is public domain. Kaldari 23:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
GFDL-presumed
User:Geni edited {{GFDL-presumed}} to indicate that it's not to be used for images uploaded after 2006-01-01 but I am certainly unaware of any such change in policy and there's no discussion on Template talk:GFDL-presumed that would indicate why this is true. So my question is, should this template be deprecated? howcheng {chat} 23:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Because we should not base licensing information on guessing what kind of terms someone intended to place on theyr images. I've used the tag a couple of times in the past myself, but I've come to agree that it is not a very good practice. People frequently upload theyr own prohots under the speedy deletable "non-commercial only" type tags, so there is not rely any basis for asuming that anyone who upload material copyrighted by themselves have by default agreed to use the very spesific terms of the GFDL license. If someone can not fulfill the very basic requirement providing some kind of copyright info (even after beeingn prompted for it) then the image gets deleted, this is long standing policy. --Sherool (talk) 16:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think deleting obviously self-made images rather than GFDL-presuming them is newbie-biting, and it is newbies who will be most affected if {{GFDL-presumed}} is deprecated. I use it frequently when it's clear an image is self-made but uploaded by a newcomer who hasn't grasped that pre-tagging an image during upload as "fair use image of a living person" is tagging it for speedy deletion. —Angr 07:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Um, so the uploader claims the image is fair use and you think it's a good idea to guess that they actualy meant to say that that "permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License has been granted". Why not CC-BY-SA or some other arbitrary free license? They are not all the same you know. Sorry but I don't agree. A lot of people upload "self made" images without intending to release it as free content, or even knowing what free content is. If you think they are confused feel free to notify them and explain what the GFDL/free content is all about, but unless they themselves change the tagging to GFDL (or tell you it's ok to do so) I don't see what possible basis we have for claiming that the images are probably GFDL licensed. The only cases where it might be apropriate is if someone uploads a whole series of GFDL licensed images and then one untagged that is clearly part of the same series, that's probably due to an oversight. But on the whole guessing what license you think something has based purely on the fact that someone saw fit to upload it here but totaly failed to follow even the most basic instructions on the upload page is not a good idea. Unlike for text there is no asumption that user created images are released under any spesific license. Hence the speedy deletion criterea for untagged stuff. --Sherool (talk) 09:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- When they write "I made this image myself" and it's large resolution and metadata are present and it's being used only on their user page, I think deleting it as a "replaceable fair use image" is absurd. Every time you edit Wikipedia "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." —Angr 09:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I used to use this template too, but agree with Sherool that it's not good practice, and that the template probably should be deprecated. In any case, though, I really do not think the template should ever be applied when the uploader is still active on the project and available for questions. When images are apparently self-made, a polite request to the uploader to confirm its status is much preferable to grabbing rights that they never intended to give, isn't it? There are manners of communicating that are far less biting than template messages, so why resort to this assumption when we don't have to? ×Meegs 09:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I guess my opinion here comes from my experiences dealing with neophyte uploaders, which tend to go like this:
- Them: "Why can't I use this image? I made it myself!"
- Me: "You can, you just have to license it correctly. Please see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#For image creators and pick one."
- Them: "I don't understand. Which tag should I use?"
- Me: "Whichever reflects the way you want your image to be made available for others to use." (explanation of what ramifications picking GFDL, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, and PD-user will have)
- Them: "Okay. But how do I add a license to an image? I can't find the drop-down menu I had when I first uploaded the image."
- Me (trying valiantly to remain polite and avoid sarcasm): "Just edit the image description page like any other page and type
{{GFDL-self}}
[or whatever license they chose] to it."
- I trust you understand why after half a dozen or so similar exchanges I prefer to just slap a {{GFDL-presumed}} on images like this and move on. —Angr 10:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've had that conversation many times too. I know you don't need my advice, but when you're not interested in educating them about wp processes, it's a lot easier to just present one license and ask them if they'll agree to its terms; if they say yes, slap the tag on for them. If the GFDL is too much, give them a link to the CC-by deed, which is about as straightforward as it gets. It amounts to two edits instead of one, but at least the exchange confirms that they're aware that they're giving up rights beyond allowing the work to appear on the Wikipedia web site. ×Meegs 10:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Since the uploads page does not include any mention of the GFDL outside the selections box we have no legal case whatsoever for assumeing GFDL.Geni 13:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've had that conversation many times too. I know you don't need my advice, but when you're not interested in educating them about wp processes, it's a lot easier to just present one license and ask them if they'll agree to its terms; if they say yes, slap the tag on for them. If the GFDL is too much, give them a link to the CC-by deed, which is about as straightforward as it gets. It amounts to two edits instead of one, but at least the exchange confirms that they're aware that they're giving up rights beyond allowing the work to appear on the Wikipedia web site. ×Meegs 10:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I guess my opinion here comes from my experiences dealing with neophyte uploaders, which tend to go like this:
- I used to use this template too, but agree with Sherool that it's not good practice, and that the template probably should be deprecated. In any case, though, I really do not think the template should ever be applied when the uploader is still active on the project and available for questions. When images are apparently self-made, a polite request to the uploader to confirm its status is much preferable to grabbing rights that they never intended to give, isn't it? There are manners of communicating that are far less biting than template messages, so why resort to this assumption when we don't have to? ×Meegs 09:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- When they write "I made this image myself" and it's large resolution and metadata are present and it's being used only on their user page, I think deleting it as a "replaceable fair use image" is absurd. Every time you edit Wikipedia "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." —Angr 09:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Um, so the uploader claims the image is fair use and you think it's a good idea to guess that they actualy meant to say that that "permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License has been granted". Why not CC-BY-SA or some other arbitrary free license? They are not all the same you know. Sorry but I don't agree. A lot of people upload "self made" images without intending to release it as free content, or even knowing what free content is. If you think they are confused feel free to notify them and explain what the GFDL/free content is all about, but unless they themselves change the tagging to GFDL (or tell you it's ok to do so) I don't see what possible basis we have for claiming that the images are probably GFDL licensed. The only cases where it might be apropriate is if someone uploads a whole series of GFDL licensed images and then one untagged that is clearly part of the same series, that's probably due to an oversight. But on the whole guessing what license you think something has based purely on the fact that someone saw fit to upload it here but totaly failed to follow even the most basic instructions on the upload page is not a good idea. Unlike for text there is no asumption that user created images are released under any spesific license. Hence the speedy deletion criterea for untagged stuff. --Sherool (talk) 09:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
← Okay, I'm starting to go through the images I tagged with GFDL-presumed and replacing it with subst:nld. I'm notifying the uploaders with a modified template (found at User:Angr/Presumed) giving specific instructions on what to do if the uploader is also the creator (since I assume they are). —Angr 13:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Good grief. Let's take one of the few simple image tags we have and just declare it invalid, and then add a whole bunch of instruction creep and discourage users from uploading their own images. What a great idea. /sarcasm. --Fang Aili talk 21:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Copyright isn't simple. In any case this tag does nothing other than time shift the problem.Geni 01:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have the right to just declare the tag invalid. As you say, copyright isn't simple, and I don't consider your one opinion the word of law. --Fang Aili talk 14:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Rights? the only rights on wikipedia are to leave and to fork. In this case the copyright situation is fairly simple. Someone has uploaded an image without releaseing it under a free lisence. You come along with this tag and say that you think they have. However since there is no real basis for this assumption you should not be makeing it.Geni 17:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- How about some middle ground here? Why not create a {{GFDL-presumed-notify}} template that can be used to notify the user that an image has been tagged and requesting that they come and fix the problem and provide an alternate tag if they so choose or ask that the image be deleted if they don't want to release it under a free license? I'm extremely conservative in using GFDL-presumed, as we all should be ... but if it's obvious that it is a user-created image, I don't see a huge problem with it. I have created {{GFDL-presumed-notify}} to use to notify the user. Please feel free to improve the template. If it is agreeable, we can add a note to the bottom of {{GFDL-presumed}} asking users to notify the uploader with this template. Thanks. --BigDT 18:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Rights? the only rights on wikipedia are to leave and to fork. In this case the copyright situation is fairly simple. Someone has uploaded an image without releaseing it under a free lisence. You come along with this tag and say that you think they have. However since there is no real basis for this assumption you should not be makeing it.Geni 17:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have the right to just declare the tag invalid. As you say, copyright isn't simple, and I don't consider your one opinion the word of law. --Fang Aili talk 14:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually I do have a basis for using it when I do: if it is obvious that it is a user creation (as well as being a useful addition to the encyclopedia), I tag it GFDL-presumed. This is reasonable because we cannot expect every single person to familiarize him or herself with pages and pages of Wikipedia image policy. The user can always remove the tag or request the image's deletion if he or she chooses; we're not talking about anything set in stone here. I agree with BigDT's suggestion above to notify the user whenever GFDL-presumed is used. Previously I just assumed the user would be looking at his/her own images and notice the change, but an additional notification can't hurt. I would also like the big red "legacy images" line on {{GFDL-presumed}} to be removed or changed to indicate that it can be used now. (I am also very conservative with this tag.) --Fang Aili talk 19:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think the tag for those situations is template:untagged.Geni 20:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually I do have a basis for using it when I do: if it is obvious that it is a user creation (as well as being a useful addition to the encyclopedia), I tag it GFDL-presumed. This is reasonable because we cannot expect every single person to familiarize him or herself with pages and pages of Wikipedia image policy. The user can always remove the tag or request the image's deletion if he or she chooses; we're not talking about anything set in stone here. I agree with BigDT's suggestion above to notify the user whenever GFDL-presumed is used. Previously I just assumed the user would be looking at his/her own images and notice the change, but an additional notification can't hurt. I would also like the big red "legacy images" line on {{GFDL-presumed}} to be removed or changed to indicate that it can be used now. (I am also very conservative with this tag.) --Fang Aili talk 19:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Now that Geni has pointed-out that we don't even have a licensing agreement on the upload page, I don't see that we have even a flimsy excuse to assume the uploaders have given-up any of their rights, let alone agreed to the GFDL. Many editors do not realize they're contributing to anything beyond this one website. It might be somewhat safe to assume that they're giving permission for Wikipedia to display their image (intact), but of course we don't allow that kind of license. Notification of our assumption is not enough either, as many uploaders will never log-in again, or may not know how to respond. I hate to say it, but while we wait to hear from uploaders, {{Untagged}} (or similar) is really the only tag for these. ×Meegs 21:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, that satisfies me. I just wanted to bring up the discussion because it kind of seemed like a unilateral move, but I'm happy with not using it anymore. howcheng {chat} 04:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree entirely with not using this anymore, for the many reasons detailed by others above. Wikipedia:Example requests for permission has some examples to use to ask users if they are willing to accept the terms of one of the licenses we accept. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 01:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- After answering many new user questions, it's not uncommon for them to think they are only letting wikipedia use the image they made, and they absolutely do not want anyone else using it or changing it at all. You are right a majority would probably be fine with public domain, but I'd guess greater than 10% assume (without explaining it this way of course) they are giving english wikipedia a non-transferable license to use their work and not modify it. - cohesion 23:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
A Navon letter is a letter made of letters. Roughly like this:
TTTT TT TT TT TT TTT TTT TT TT TT TTTT
I would assume that an image of this would be pd-ineligible due to the fact that it was simply a letter made up of letters? Thoughts? IronGargoyle 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- This would be considered a piece of artwork, and therefore gets copyright protection. Jesse Viviano 17:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Eh, I think it would be ineligible. It's far too easily replicated to count for copyright for protection in my opinion. For example, I think it would be impossible to prove that IronGargoyle is the creator of the above Navon letter. If I was to type it up myself, I don't think he could claim it as a derivative work.--SeizureDog 18:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think it depends on the complexity of the Navon letter. Copyright jurisprudence says that a work must entail some degree of creativity to qualify for copyright protection. Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp is a good case to look at. The Justices in that case determined that the work had to have "some identifiable original contribution" in order to receive copyright protection. I could certainly imagine a Navon letter to which that applied, although I seriously doubt the example above would qualify. Kaldari 19:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Eh, I think it would be ineligible. It's far too easily replicated to count for copyright for protection in my opinion. For example, I think it would be impossible to prove that IronGargoyle is the creator of the above Navon letter. If I was to type it up myself, I don't think he could claim it as a derivative work.--SeizureDog 18:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
CAnkawa
{{CAnkawa}} claims to be a public domain-type licence, but also imposes non-commercial restrictions. Should images tagged with this be listed for deletion? --Cherry blossom tree 15:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- They usually get approved before people do these i think this should stay meaning, permission to use on wikipedia etc. Nareklm 00:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Images which have permission simply to be used on Wikipedia are usually deleted, however, due to not being free for reuse. --Cherry blossom tree 10:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've redirected it to {{Noncommercial}} and deleted everything so tagged. That's for pointing this out. Jkelly 18:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for sorting that out. --Cherry blossom tree 00:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Armenica.org
Can i get a license for this? images from Armenica.org, these images have been approved by administrators and wikipedia, under the GDFL license, but i need some help creating a license for them. There's already a category made, [4] Nareklm 17:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Their terms are not compatible with the GFDL, specifically "Material taken from Armenica.org must not be altered or modified without permission from Armenica.org". Thanks/wangi 17:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Like i said its already been approved by administrators and wikipedia, they sent an email to them and they can use it here on GDFL. Nareklm 17:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Erm, so they're happy with any content on their site being used to make derivative works? Specifically against what their terms state? If that is the case (do you have a pointer to the discussion) then just use {{gfdl}}. Thanks/wangi 17:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- The copyright issue has been solved before with admins etc, i was just wondering if i can get a new license that states it with armenica etc, without the confirmed tag, like a new license for armenica. Nareklm 17:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Assuming that OTRS ticket number is valid for all content, not just a single map, then check out {{GFDL-Armenica}}. Ta/wangi 17:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- The copyright issue has been solved before with admins etc, i was just wondering if i can get a new license that states it with armenica etc, without the confirmed tag, like a new license for armenica. Nareklm 17:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Erm, so they're happy with any content on their site being used to make derivative works? Specifically against what their terms state? If that is the case (do you have a pointer to the discussion) then just use {{gfdl}}. Thanks/wangi 17:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Like i said its already been approved by administrators and wikipedia, they sent an email to them and they can use it here on GDFL. Nareklm 17:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
City and State Tags?
Is there a tag for images created by a city government? The copyright policy page only indicates federal/military tags. What does one use for state or municipal government images? There are a couple that I uploaded for use in articles. Can one be created for states and cities? Nightscream 22:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- My understanding is that state and local governments have different copyright policies, and they don't all release images into the public domain like the federal government, so a blanket tag for states and/or cities wouldn't make sense. I would just go with whatever the copyright notice on the page says, and when in doubt, assume that it's all rights reserved. Ytny (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:PD-LOC should be deprecated
This template was deprecated on the commons (see commons:Template:PD-LOC) for understandable reasons. Much of the works in the Library of Congress are not PD, and the Library has admitted that its copyright screening process is not the best. This may encourage the tagging of images which are not really PD simply because they come from the LOC and say "no known restrictions on publication". I believe this template should be deprecated here as well, and replaced by more accurate PD templates (i.e. PD-old, PD-US, etc.). --tomf688 (talk - email) 13:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Author-requested deletion of free-license images
I was alerted on my talk page to an author-requested deletion of the following images: Image:Clint mathis.jpg Image:Tim howard.jpg Image:Youri Djorkaeff.jpg Image:Jeff Agoos.jpg Image:Mo Johnston.jpg, which were all tagged with {{Attribution}} or {{CopyrightedFreeUseProvided|author credit is given}} (he didn't want them used on Wikipedia anymore). These images were all being used in articles, so we don't have easy replacements. If they had been PD, NoRightsReserved, or CC-BY, I would restore them, but is there any consensus of "revocability" of these other licensing terms? Your input is appreciated. howcheng {chat} 04:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- The licenses are probably not revocable, but I'd rather not test it for images that could reasonably be replaced. --Carnildo 04:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- If we were talking about photos of a car or a tree, that would be one thing, but these are photos of celebrities that we're not going to come across every day. I don't really like at all the precedent of allowing someone to have their photos deleted, particularly if they are in use.--BigDT 06:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- IMHO any license that can be considered free must be irrevokable, otherwise it would be no better than a basic {{permission}} to use. We can not have users running around revoking the rights to use theyr contributions whenever they get theyr feathers ruffled a bit. That said I'm a bit hesitant to restore them seeing as the uploader claims he took them on behalf of some sports website. If that was in a professional capacity he may well not actualy hold the rights to those photos, and judging by the state of his talk page I doubht he's in a mood to clearify... --Sherool (talk) 08:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little confused about {{TNA-photo}} - I tagged Image:StinggoodbyeTNA.jpg as replaceable, but the response received was "Read the use template. TNA Wrestling permits its images to be used in Wikipedia."
But because the license says, "Total Nonstop Action Wrestling recognizes and accepts the use of their pictures on Wikipedia, as long as they are credited as the source of said photos. However, the terms of the permission do not include third party use.", it seems that standard fair use criteria apply.
What's confusing to me is that, because Wikipedia is published with a GFDL template, anything that doesn't permit third party use isn't compatible, so I don't get the point of this license. Mosmof 17:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed, the permission granted to Wikipedia is completely irrelevant. I've left a note at Image talk:StinggoodbyeTNA.jpg to this effect. —Angr 23:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. My next question is, is it a valid/useful fair use tag? {{magazine}} and other non-generic fair use tags have common uses where the built-in fair use rationales apply and generally suffice. But these photographs are non-iconic photographs of living people who appear in public on a weekly basis, so they are almost always going to be replaceable, and therefore not valid fair use. Mosmof 17:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe it could be used for photographs of wrestlers who have died? —Angr 06:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
License for Tor Book Covers?
I'm trying to work out how to categorise the general license offered by Tor Books for reproducing their covers. The details are here, but essentially allows any use that isn't just blatantly ripping them off for profit. Note that this isn't a "no commercial use" licence, because it explicitly allows some commercial uses, e.g. as illustrations for discussions about the books. Any suggestions? Just leave them as fair use perhaps? JulesH 14:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- The policy explicitly prohibits any deritative works: "Our slightly unofficial policy is that you can reproduce our covers as long as you don't strip out the type or crop, digitally retouch, or otherwise meddle with the image as it stands" which is a big no-no for us. Of course, they say "unofficial policy" but I think fair use should be claimed anway. Hbdragon88 04:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- The statement "However, printing them onto coffee mugs or T-shirts to sell on the street is Right Out; likewise, comparable appropriations not involving mugs or shirts" also suggests that not any commercial use is allowed, only commercial uses they approve of. It's nowhere near a free license. —Angr 07:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Licensing issue
A certain image was licensed as public domain for almost 2 years but was just recently changed to GFDL+Creative Commons Attribution 2.5. Should it be reverted or just left alone? It says on the project page that public domain release is permanent but I'm just checking. --WikiSlasher 06:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Was it {{PD-user}}? I'm pretty sure that's nonrevocable. It could already be being used somewhere else. —Angr 07:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yep, it was Image:010105 fireworks2.jpg to be exact. --WikiSlasher 11:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well I guess I'll have to revert, hopefully Kvasir will forgive me :P --WikiSlasher 05:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's done now. --WikiSlasher 07:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Promotional films
I'm presently working on adding copyright notices for a series of images added to the Real Ghostbusters wiki entry, the images came from a promo film/animation and as there was no tag I figured I'd bring it up as a possible new tag to create. -Kingpin1055 19:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- What's wrong with the old {{tv-screenshot}} tag? That said most of them will have to go, unfree material should be kept to a minimum and used only for critical commentary per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria, the use of screenshots in this article is clearly exessive. --Sherool (talk) 09:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Licencing query
I think my tag is wrong for this image HotorNot. What is the correct one? --Sadi Carnot 15:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- {{web-screenshot}}. Don't forget to include a fair use rationale, and don't forget a website screenshot can only be used in a discussion of the specific website in question (not in a generic way to show an example of a certain kind of website). —Angr 16:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I fixed it. --WikiSlasher 05:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we add a message on all free-image tags requesting that freely-licensed images be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here?
I have seen that in some foreign language Wikipedias while searching for interwikis for some of our image licensing tags that some Wikipedias apparently have a request that the uploader please upload such images to the Wikimedia Commons instead of Wikipedia on their free image use tags. Should we add them to our templates here? I do not know how to do this myself, as I do not know how to use CSS or make message boxes using Wikipedia syntax. Jesse Viviano 06:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe, if proper emphasis was given to the fact that there is more to moving something to Commons than merely copying the file over. I wanted to clean out some of the backlog from the "now commons" categories recently but was only eable to delete a couple of images. All the rest was not properly moved. A lot where missing required history and sometimes even source/attribution info. Some images turned out to just be the thumbnail from the image page rater than the full sized image, and some where just flat out not free licensed images after all upon closer inspection. Previous few where also properly categorized at Commons. I'm all for moving images to Commons, but it has to be done right so a fairly detailed procedure would need to be added, not merely a "please move this to commons" message. --Sherool (talk) 08:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I would like to add a note to Template:Nowcommons to encourage users to orphan the image themselves and then perhaps list the image which replaced the tagged image. That's what I usually do on behalf of the admin. --Iamunknown 07:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes please, if it has a different name on commons and they don't specify this I usually delete the tag (witha edit summary of something like, "this isn't on commons" this is actually pretty rare). Redirecting all the local links to the new commons name does take time though, and that would certainly be helpful. - cohesion 18:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Photograph dated 1878 of a person who died in 1940
Can such a thing be presumed to be in the public domain or fair use? The "Licensing" menu at special:upload seems to lack any obviously applicable thing to choose for such circumstances. Michael Hardy 22:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Much more information would be needed to make an educated guess about the image's copyright status. What image? In what country was it taken, and by whom? Where and when was it first published? Where did you get it from? Note that if the subject died in 1940, it is well possible that the photographer also lived that long... Lupo 22:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Here it is. And here. Michael Hardy 01:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, Edgardo Mortara. It's clearly a professional photo and as such a "work". But we'd still need to know who the photographer was or when it was published originally. If it was not published ("publication" = making available to the general public copies of the photo), which strikes me as quite likely, it might be in the public domain in the U.S. (because 1878 < 1887 (= 2007 - 120), assuming the first publication was indeed on that Italian web page, which would have occurred 2005/06, and treating it as an anonymous work.) See WP:PD#Unpublished works. If it was published, we still need to know when and where. I'd try asking the CDEC whether they can tell you more about this image (without giving away that you're trying to figure out whether it is PD :-) Lupo 13:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
muhammadimage.jpg
I created this and released it to the public domain. Then I uploaded it. What else do I need to do? BYT 23:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- You need to replace the untagged template with a new section called "Licensing" and put {{PD-self}} into it. This'll be done automatically by selecting the appropriate option from the Licensing drop-down menu when uploading the file. --WikiSlasher 05:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Template added. --WikiSlasher 01:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering what everyone thought of Template:CR-SLA-2. The Sri Lanka Army Web site notes that photos may be reproduced with attribution, but it doesn't explicitly allow modification and the like. Is this free enough? — Rebelguys2 talk 03:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- For an image to be considered "free" under Wikipedia's Image use policy, the license must permit both commercial reuse and derivative works. The template belongs in Category:Non-free_image_copyright_tags, similar to Template:FinnishDefenceForces. I think an image tagged with Template:CR-SLA-2 would also need to include a fair use rationale and an appropriate fair use tag (Help:Image page#Fair use rationale and Wikipedia:Fair use). —RP88 04:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for that claim? In a legal citation or relevant legal policy pages perhaps? --Iamunknown 07:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know the source of Rebelguys2's information, but I just now took a quick look at the Sri Lanka Army web site. At the bottom it says "Contents of this site are the sole property of Sri Lanka Army and any duplication in any media is liable for prosecution. Reproduction of these465 stories/data is possible provided its source is given its recognition." That sounds similar to Rebelguys2's description, definitely doesn't meet WP's policy. —RP88 07:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. I guess it could be appropriate. But, like you said, definitely non-free and with a fair use rationale. --Iamunknown 07:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know the source of Rebelguys2's information, but I just now took a quick look at the Sri Lanka Army web site. At the bottom it says "Contents of this site are the sole property of Sri Lanka Army and any duplication in any media is liable for prosecution. Reproduction of these465 stories/data is possible provided its source is given its recognition." That sounds similar to Rebelguys2's description, definitely doesn't meet WP's policy. —RP88 07:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I figured. I had started tagging some of these images by chance, but stopped as I wasn't sure if there was a reason we had this tag. We ought to pretty much wipe or retag this category, as well as Template:FinnishDefenceForces and similar ones, for lacking fair use rationales and the like, yes? — Rebelguys2 talk 08:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Use of {{pd-ineligible}} on images of signatures?
In Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images a question has come up with regard to signatures. The image Image:PaulHendersonSig.jpg, is marked PD-self, which is clearly wrong (unless the uploader is Paul Henderson). Would it be acceptable to change its license to {{pd-ineligible}}? The {{pd-ineligible}} tag has been used for other signatures (e.g. Image:Sellars_sig.png, Image:M.KemalAtatürk--sign.jpg, Image:Faruqi_signature.jpg, etc.). —RP88 04:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- No, PD-ineligible is for things like common symbols (treble clef, astrological signs), math formulas, charts, chemical compounds... basically anything that if anyone were to create it, it would pretty much end up looking the same. A person's signature clearly does not fall under that category. Otherwise, forgery wouldn't be a crime. :) howcheng {chat} 00:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I tend to agree with you (except with regards to you remark about forgery, which is a completely separate issue from copyright :-). However, since posting this question a couple of days ago I've done some research. For example, in this Google Answers thread on Autograph Copyright Law a librarian who worked on a copyright committee of a university and taught the library copyright classes consulted an intellectual property attorney, who came to the conclusion that "In general, unless the autograph was accompanied by some creative doodle, message, or is extremely flourish-y, it is not protected by copyright law. This is because copyright law only protects the creative expression of an idea or fact. A signature is not generally considered "creative" unless it's really something else." Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anything more definitive than this answer on Google Answers. —RP88 00:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Suspected wrong copyright tag on an image
Image:Paluma dam A.jpg is tagged as though the uploader took the photo - but if you go to the image, it clearly shows that it is provided "free for use, with acknowledgement". Is uploading of "acknowledgement required" images permitted, and if so - is this the correct tag? Secondly - is this the right place to ask this question? (if not, where is?) Garrie 12:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- If the image is going to have a GFDL tag, the copyright holder of the image needs to explicitly say that he releases the image under the GFDL license. Otherwise, he can release it either under a similarly-free license (Creative Commons, etc.) or use a tag like Template:CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat; with the latter, he can require attribution, but must release rights for redistribution and modification. Non-commercial and educational-rights-only restrictions are also not allowed. — Rebelguys2 talk 13:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images is the best place to list images with questionable tagging, otherwise list it at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. General help/discussion should go to Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. In the case of this particular image, it might be possible to relist it with an {{Attribution}} license if the source specifically permits commercial use, modification, and redistribution, but requires an attribution. If they don't grant that degree of freedom, then you or someone else needs to add a detailed fair use rationale to the image description page and it should be tagged with {{Fair use in|<article name in which image appears>}} and perhaps {{Withpermission}}. —RP88 13:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Copyright tag request for Sleeping_goldie.jpg
I read that I have to get a tag for my image, Sleeping_goldie.jpg. Can I have one? Pennybiscuit 15:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Did you take the photo? --WikiSlasher 00:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- User indefinitely blocked per log --Iamunknown 09:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- OK but I might as well answer anyway: you're supposed to select a license from the drop down menu when you upload the file. See Wikipedia:Image use policy and Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for info. --WikiSlasher 07:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- User indefinitely blocked per log --Iamunknown 09:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Why was the "The Case for Free Use" essay added to Wikipedia:Image copyright tags
WAS 4.250, why did you append a 20,000 character essay on how bad NC licenses are to the end of Wikipedia:Image copyright tags? It only seems tangentially related to a page designed as an organizational tool for the image tag templates. If you must post it, please move it elsewhere. —RP88 17:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- I believe it should go somewhere on wikipedia and this was the best spot I could find. It was written by Erik Möller, a board member of the Wikimedia Foundation, and explains why we are cracking down on nonfree images. Eric also wrote stuff on the mailing list explaining this new crachdown, but this is his extended version. People need to understand that wikipedia is about being a free as in freedom encyclopedia not just a free as in no cost encyclopedia. I did not include Eric's name as the essay should be edited as needed to fit (in standard wiki fashion). WAS 4.250 17:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Don't just append it to a some random existing page, be bold, create your own! I recommend here. Copy the style of the other copyright related essays (e.g. Wikipedia:Publicity photos) by sticking {{essay}} at the top and [[Category:Wikipedia copyright]] at the bottom. —RP88 18:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- I did not put it at a "random existing page". I put it the best place I could find. Please feel free to discuss the merits of where best to place it so we can arrive at a choice of the best place. What arguments do people here have for where to place it? Let us give arguments, then hold a !vote and then act according to whatever seems best to the most people. WAS 4.250 01:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- If it was written by Erik Möller, with no attribution and no mention of his choice of licensing, then it should be immediately removed as a copyright violation. I recommend wholesale removal of the text from this document and adding a "see also" link to the source. --Iamunknown 19:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- I quote "Erik Möller 2005-2007. This article is in the public domain. Feel free to use it for any purpose. It is also a living document whose editable main copy resides at http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC. You are encouraged, but not required, to include this notice." [5] WAS 4.250 01:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have restored the explanation of why we insist on a free license because it is an issue that needs to be addressed here and is not addressed here. WAS 4.250 01:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- ICT is not the place for an essay like this. The essay is roughly 3 times longer than the rest of the content on the page. If you want to use it as an essay, then find somewhere to put it and mark it as such, but you shouldn't simply dump it into an existing page as if Erik's thoughts are the definitive expression of wiki philosophy. Dragons flight 01:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed, the essay definitely does not belong on this page. Kaldari 02:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
(reset tab) I hope a link to the page is an appropriate compromise. If anyone has remaining concerns, please, let's not edit war. Discuss on the talk page. --Iamunknown 02:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- OK. If you guys want to move it and link it I'll accept that as the consensus. WAS 4.250 04:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Whee! A REAL PD-StateGov!
According to http://gov.ca.gov/site/conditions#ownership , you can get PD stuff off of California's governors site. 68.39.174.238 04:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, it's a little more complicated. We used to have Template:PD-CAGov, but it was determined we couldn't guarantee that CA gov images were really public domain. See the whole discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 March 13#Template:PD-CAGov. howcheng {chat} 04:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Woman Wolfmother
I'm having trouble figuring out how to apply the correct copyright tag to Image:Woman Wolfmother.jpg. If someone more experienced me could assist me in doing this, it would be truly appreciated. Meesheek 11:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- {{Albumcover}} --WikiSlasher 06:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Khflottorp
User:Khflottorp, you had a question (diff) that you posted on the project page. Note that this project page is more for helping users choose which image copyright tag they should use, not answering questions; but I'll be perfectly willing to post a follow up here. I assume that you are talking about Image:XPad.jpg. I see you included the image copyright tag {{Don't know}}. Maybe I can help you figure out what copyright the image is under. Do you own the image? If not, where did you get it from? --Iamunknown 15:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I've uploaded a lot of images, but i don't know how to add tags to them. Can someone please help me out? Happyme22 05:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm happy to give you a hand. Let's take this to your user discussion page. —RP88 05:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia itself violate the GFDL?
If I upload to WP a GFDL'd image containing embedded metadata that indicates the image is copyrighted and is licensed under the GFDL, WP itself removes the embedded metadata from scaled-down copies it creates. This would appear to be a violation of the GFDL by WP itself, according to my reading of the GFDL: it says a licensee may copy a document (the image in this case) "provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies". Has anyone else noticed this? Rling 09:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- When I view your full resolution image on my monitor, my computer makes a derivative copy of your image in video memory that lacks your embedded GFDL license and copyright. Is this also a problem? All copies of WP reproduce the GFDL at Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License. If you believe that this is inadequate, it might be better discussed at one of the Wikipedia:Village pump forums, perhaps Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), rather than here (since this discussion is about WP's copyright tag templates). —RP88 09:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've taken it there. Rling 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Deleted image copyright tags
What should we be doing with recently deleted image copyright tags? We could (a) leave them in their place for a while, (b) maintain a list of recently deleted ones to notify editors (which would kind of be WP:BEANS-ish, i.e. bad), or (c) remove them very soon after they are deleted...or other options which I have not thought of. I ask in response to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 February 24, where four such tags are listed and IMO will be deleted (one already is). Any thoughts? --Iamunknown 03:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete them. If a tag exists, it will be used. I get one or two notices from OrphanBot a week that someone has uploaded an image as {{CopyrightedFreeUse}}, even though that tag has supposedly been deleted. --Carnildo 03:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Remove 'em soon after they're deleted. If we leave it up, we just continue to offer a misleading option to (in)experienced users. Even if it stays up as a red link, it'll still mislead. — Rebelguys2 talk 04:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Are you talking about invalid copyright tags that are not in use on any images? If so, I personally favor outright deletion. I suppose I might make exceptions for invalid tags that are highly likely to be "guessed" by experienced editors or formerly heavily used tags, but I don't think I'd be easily convinced. If I was I'd probably recommend that a prominent "this tag is obsolete, this image may be deleted at any time" message be placed on the tag (along with adding the image to the appropriate maintenance category). On the other hand, are you're instead talking about tags that are scheduled to be deleted but are still in use on a few images? In this case I'm in favor of removing the obsolete tag from the images and retagging them, if possible. In either case I dislike tags that on their face claim to be one thing (i.e. {{PD-SomeReason}}) that in turn actually redirect to something else like {{no license}}. I find them hostile to both users and to machine parsing. —RP88 04:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Most of the tags I'm referring to are probably not heavily used now. You can see my two edits to Template talk:Image-license here and my edit to Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Deprecated here --Iamunknown 05:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Will do! --Iamunknown 04:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Inherited photos
Say your father dies and you are the sole heir to his estate. You have a photograph you know he took which is not in the public domain but which you want to use in an article. Which tag could you use? You're not the creator, but you are legally the copyright holder and you are the only one who has the right to approve or disapprove its use. --Charlene 17:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you are the sole legal copyright holder (i.e. the photographs have never been published previously and you are the only claimant to his estate), you could use {{PD-release}}, {{GFDL}}, or any of the Creative Commons licenses. Just be sure to put an explanation of the copyright status on the image description page. Kaldari 18:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. They are home photographs (of a public building), never published, and I am the only claimant to the estate. Thanks again. --Charlene 03:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Greek tag
I have created a tag {{PD-GreekGov}} to cover certain Greek material in the public domain. Unless there is objection, I will list it on the page of tags by country. Argos'Dad 04:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- The name of your tag implies that it covers material generated by the Greek government and placed in the public domain by statute. It shouldn't also discuss material that Greek statue considers ineligible for copyright "...or an expressions of folklore, news information or simple facts and data." as these might not come from a government source and might be eligible for copyright in other jurisdictions (in particular, the US, where the WP servers are hosted). —RP88 05:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, let me clarify that. I'm mostly only concerned with the name of the tag. The name implies a government source, while the content of the tag indicates that it could be used on material that is not a work of the Greek government. If Greece has a more expansive concept of what is ineligible for copyright than the US (ie. {{PD-ineligible}} isn't broad enough to cover Greece) you really need two tags - perhaps {{PD-GreekGov}} and {{PD-Greek-ineligible}}. Another possibility might be just to rename it {{PD-Greece}}. —RP88 05:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see how this tag would be useful. Everything it covers is either not an image, or already covered by {{PD-ineligible}}. --Carnildo 09:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- This is very helpful. I think there actually should be three tags: (1) government-generated, (2) folklore, news information, simple facts and data and (3) another provision of Greek law (Article 25) makes "reproduction ... permissible without the consent of the author and without payment: a) for the purpose of reporting current events by the mass media, the reproduction and communication to the public of works seen or heard in the course of the event; b) for the purpose of informing on current events..." On a seperate note, it seems to me, Carnildo, (and I am no expert) that the concept of "ineligible" works is a creature of U.S. law (Sec. 105) that is analogized to government works of other countries, but Greek law indicates that the works listed here are public domain by law, not "ineligible."— Preceding unsigned comment added by Argos'Dad (talk • contribs)
- {{PD-GreekGov}} doesn't belong here. It may belong at Wikisource, if they use templates to indicate these things (I'm not sure). Simple facts republished in Wikipedia do not need an accompanying template, and case 3 is fair dealing. There's no need to create templates to reflect any of this. An article on Copyright law in Greece, however, would be helpful. Jkelly 20:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate your input, JKelly, as I am trying to help clarify the copyright status of Greek material. Why does {{PD-GermanGov}} belong here, isn't it analogous to {{PD-GreekGov}}? Also, what tag should be applied to a photograph of a "current event" in Greece? Thanks for your help! Argos'Dad 21:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Now that I have removed {{PD-GermanGov}} from every image it did not belong on, there are two left. We don't need it either, and it should be deleted and replaced with {{PD-because}} on those two remaining images. A photograph of a current event in Greece that was not taken by you should probably be tagged with {{imagevio}}. Jkelly 21:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Which tag to choose
I am not the creator of the images, however I have permission to use the image for marketing purposes. The images are also available on my webpage in the gallery I am not sure what tag to use to upload the images.
- As a matter of policy, in order for an image to appear on Wikipedia the copyright holder must agree to allow their image to be modified, redistributed, and used for any purpose, including commercial purposes. All of standard free licenses that Wikipedia accepts, at the very least, grant these permissions. If you don't have the right to grant this entire set of permissions then you're not going to find a license tag that will work for your images. If so, your only choices are to either not upload these images or to go back to the image copyright holder and ask that the images be released under one of the free licenses (perhaps GFDL or Creative Commons Attribution). Wikipedia itself is licensed under the GFDL. —RP88 12:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
How to report an image of questionable copyright status
There is an image (Image:Silverton11.jpg) that has been tagged as being Public Domain and that it was created by the uploader. I believe the image to actually be a screen grab of a BBC television program and therefore not public domain and not (the program) created by the uploader. I've searched WP for info on how to report it but can't find anything. Is there a separate set of templates for images(like copyvio for articles) that can be used to bring the image to the attention of admins? - X201 09:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- The names of these pages are pretty self-explanatory, so here they are: Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images, Wikipedia:Copyright problems, and Wikipedia:Images for deletion.
- Though all of these would work on some level, I'd recommend heading over to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images, scrolling down a bit to read the instructions, and listing the image there. Let me know if you need any help. Thanks. — Rebelguys2 talk 09:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Screenshots
If I have programs of say, a messenger, or anything as in a game or movie, that I took screenshots of myself, would that be allowed as long as I put on a license like the one on this article: [6]? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exo Kopaka (talk • contribs) 04:47, 15 Mar 2007 (UTC)
Is this a free license?
{{president.gov.by}} says that works can be reproduced "at any sites and media without any limitation on size and periods". I can't read Russian, so I can't check if this is correct, but the conditions stated on the template do not constitute a free license. --Carnildo 04:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Based on machine translations ([7] and [8]), it seems the media may be redistributed freely on the Internet; but there seems to be no mention of derivative works, print media, or commercial reuse. Again, this is what I can infer from machine translations, so I may not be correct. --Iamunknown 04:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Amazon book covers
Can I upload a picture of a book cover from Amazon or other booksellers or publishers web sites. If so, what do I write for the tag ? --Dr Lisboa 20:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Help fix some malformed templates
User:Alx 91 has created {{Credit Card Cover}}, {{Cereal Character}}, and {{TVad-screenshot}}. Would somebody weigh in on whether the templates even need to be this specific, and if so, fix up the text as needed? –Unint 23:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Listed for deletion. --Carnildo 00:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
help with my image
i have recently uploaded an image, pwetherhill_sportrak.jpg. i took this image and it is my car, i am not bothered who uses it and i dont want to ask for permission.
i tried my best to adhere to rules when creating my first listing but i missed this. please can you guide me on how to add a copyright tag - or set it to public domain?
--Pwetherhill 15:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. The {{pd-self}} tag is adequate for the licensing. Kaldari 18:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The image of the young Ta Thu Thau has been used many times in various publications. It is from 1925 and is esentially in the public domain. How do I tag this image appropriately?
David Mackenzie
PD template standardization
A couple years ago, some Wikipedians used Template:Image-license to standardize all the public domain templates that existed at that time. However, since then, there have been numerous additions and changes to the list, and very few of them adhere to the same format. PD tags use <small> fonts, normal fonts, or 95% fonts; some include the PD symbol, some don't; some are italicized, some aren't. The result is a hodgepodge of looks that falls far short of Commons' crisp copyright tags.
Fortunately there is a template, {{PD-Layout}}, that allows for easy template standardization. It is already used on some of the PD tags, such as Template:PD-USGov-Military-Marines and Template:PD-USGov-NARA. The template's cousins, {{GNU-Layout}} {{CC-Layout}} are already standard.
I would like approval to standardize the look of PD templates, perhaps by applying this template to them. There are a few exceptions, such as Template:PD, that obviously deviate from the others, and these should probably stay as they are. Tags like Template:PD-US, on the other hand, could definitely use some cleanup. What does everyone else think?
(On a related note, can someone explain the use of <div class="boilerplate" id="pd"...>
to me? In particular, what kind of properties do these attributes give to the <div>
element? Thanks!) MithrandirMageT 17:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- Seems like a good idea, if it was only visual standardization I don't think many people would object. Maybe people would like to collaborate on the new standardization template though. I'm sure other people would be willing to help also with the actual work. :) About boilerplate, and id=pd. I'm not sure, it looks like nothing is being styled based on these, there are no active css rules about them. The id=pd could conceivably be some machine readable plan, but I don't think it's one that is actually being used. Could be wrong about that though. - cohesion 17:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Insignia-Sweden
I came across {{Insignia-Sweden}}. Should this be listed on one of these pages somewhere? --Strangerer (Talk) 14:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Tag for animal-created images
According to WP:PD#Non-creative_works only works created by a human are eligible to copyright. We have Image:Chimpanzee congo painting.jpg which uses PD-ineligible, but should we have some sort of PD-nonhuman tag instead, since PD-ineligible really describes a different class of item? howcheng {chat} 21:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- How many animal-created images are there? If only a few, we could use {{PD-because}} with an appropriate reason. Lupo 22:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- There's no sense creating a template tag for 1 or 2 images. If you don't want to use PD-ineligible, just write something different for the licensing section. You don't have to use a template tag after all. Or you can use PD-because as Lupo suggests. Kaldari 22:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, a PD-nonhuman tag would cover machine-created works as well. I don't think we have too many animal-created works but the latter class might be a lot larger. howcheng {chat} 22:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- What is "machine-created"? Lupo 08:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
- Good question, but rather beside the point, IMHO. I disagree with the statement at WP:PD. For example, from s. 5(2)(a) of the Copyright Act 1994 (New Zealand):
- [the person who creates a work shall be taken to be,] In the case of a literary, dramatic, musical, or artistic work that is computer-generated, the person by whom the arrangements necessary for the creation of the work are undertaken.
- I quote this text not because it is a specificity of New Zealand law, but because it is a general, common-sense principle which happens to be clearly enunciated in the NZ Act. In the same vein, while animal-created works are rare, I would suggest that the PD-claim on Image:Chimpanzee congo painting.jpg is debateable at best. The person who had the idea to give brush, paint and canvas to the chimp has a
strongclaim to copyright on the result. Strong object to creating yet another dodgy PD-tag. Physchim62 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)- Not besides the point at all! The creative choices in the chimpanzee painting were made by the animal, and thus I think that painting indeed is not copyrightable. The fact that someone provided the animal with the tools to make a painting does not give that person a copyright on the painting—otherwise any seller of paints and brushes might have a copyright claim. "I sold the brushes to Picasso, so I have a copyright on his works!" No, I don't think that'd work. :-) BTW, the "human works only" claim is sourced to the Copyright Compendium II, section 503.03(a) from the U.S. Copyright Office.
- But in "machine-created" works (satellite photography, automatic surveillance cameras, photo booths, etc.), humans still make decisions about when to take a picture, the direction and focus of the camera, and so on. In Austria, there was a case where such "machine-created" images were considered copyrightable. (See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Lindh killer image1.jpg.) What has U.S. law to say about such cases?
- Computer art is not "machine-created" art. It clearly involves human creativity, the human artist just uses the computer as a tool. There may be borderline cases (such as images of Mandelbrot sets and other fractals), which are just visualizations of a mathematical expression, but I suspect that choices made on how to color these images (and which areas from the fractal to show at all) amount to sufficient originality to give the programmer a (thin) copyright. Fractal landscapes are clearly original enough to warrant copyright. Scenes from computer games are original enough to be eligible to copyright.
- I agree that we should not create a special "PD" tag for either animal-created works or "machine-created" works. (Whatever the precise meaning of "machine-created" may be.) Lupo 09:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Good question, but rather beside the point, IMHO. I disagree with the statement at WP:PD. For example, from s. 5(2)(a) of the Copyright Act 1994 (New Zealand):
- What is "machine-created"? Lupo 08:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, a PD-nonhuman tag would cover machine-created works as well. I don't think we have too many animal-created works but the latter class might be a lot larger. howcheng {chat} 22:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Help requested to assess picture
I uploaded this picture - Image:Tempranillo blanco.jpg. It is copyrighted but is there a necessity tag or something like that? The reason is because this grape is a new mutation that can't be found anywhere but in this special research facility. There are no other picture of it anywhere and this picture is very important for the article.--Charleenmerced Talk 23:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Chaleenmerced
picture of state university's building
What is the copy right case of picture of a state university building like this [9]? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farmanesh (talk • contribs).
- Generally, works by the U.S. federal government are in the public domain, but works by state governments are not. A free image could easily be created of this building, so we shouldn't use this image under a fair use argument, either. — Rebelguys2 talk 03:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
News article picture tag
- {{Newspapercover}}—for scans of entire newspaper pages.
This tag is the closest one I can fid to cover images from a news article (newspaper/magazine/electronic). There should be a tag made for images from a newspaper or magazine article.
- {{News}}—for pictures taken from newspaper or magazine pages.
-- Jason Palpatine 06:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
unconfirmed website
What is an "unconfirmed website"? Good friend100 22:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Local flag
This image of the flag of Durham, North Carolina currently has the tag PD-USGov. This is clearly unsuitable because the flag is not "a work of the United States Federal Government." What is the proper tag? --zenohockey 02:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Audio clip from computer game
File:Blood-Migrax.ogg Not sure what license this should come under. There are templates for "Screenshot from a videogame" and "Music clip", but this isn't either of those. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arganoid (talk • contribs) 20:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
Latifa
Hi guys, I work in Latifa's official site and I have persmission from her to use her photos wherever I want including wikipedia.
I am not really sure what tags I should use though, and that's why they are always deleted, could someone please help me? I feel lost :S
radiant guy 09:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Proposal for new Image Copyright Tag - Florida Memory Project
I'd like to propose the creation of a new tag for images from the Florida Photographic Collection of the State Archives of Florida (the "Florida Memory Project"), a repository of photos which donors have agreed to release to the PD. See: copyright information
If validation of the Florida Memory Project's PD status is attained, here's a proposed template: User:JGHowes/Templates/PD-FL-Archives JGHowes talk - 20:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Doesn't sound like a public domain license to me. Kaldari 21:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not too hot at legalese, but it seems most of the referenced provisions relate to access to, and copying of public records. Not sure if the image collection is considerd public records or not, but either way the requirement to properly credit the works seems to pretty much rule out a clean public domain release. Pluss the copyright page also says: "Some of the images may be protected by copyright. The user must assume any and all responsibility for obtaining appropriate permission for use or assurance of adherence to copyright restriction.(...)". --Sherool (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- That is indeed a statement that the content is made available to the public under some kind of freedom of information legislation; this is not a declaration that they are in the "public domain" in a copyright sense, and indeed it explicitly states they may be copyrighted. Shimgray | talk | 16:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not a lawyer, either, but these conditions seem quite similar to the disclaimer at U.S. National Archives, which is widely used on Wikipedia, of course. (See: National Archives copyright information). Is this the place to request Wikipedia's legal counsel to make a determination about this? JGHowes talk - 16:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to ask this question again
What is an unconfirmed website?
Several images I have uploaded have this tag and I am wondering what it means
and how I can fix it. [10]
thank you for the reply. Good friend100 00:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Permission to redistribute
I'd like a little clarification. What do we do where a copyright holder has clearly released an image for redistribution, but they have not permitted derived works? So far all the tags I see seem to be of the totally free or fair use variety. But lots of promotional materials are intended for redistribution but derived works wouldn't necessarily be legal. jbolden1517Talk 14:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- If it isn't totally free, then it can only be used if it meets Wikipedia's policy on non-free content. As a general rule, promotional material can only be used if no free replacement exists and it is impossible to make a free replacement. --Carnildo 22:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. jbolden1517Talk 16:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
BPfuelcard.jpg copyright
I have uploaded the above file, but am not sure how to Wikify/correctly tag the copyrights to keep it up there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BPfuelcard.jpg.
Copyright is a company called 'First USA' and link is as follows: [11] Thanks --leopheard 10:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps {{Product-cover}} would be the best match. Not a perfect match, but possibly the closest one. -Seidenstud 19:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 May 1 Alex Spade 09:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
No permission since
Could someone please introduce Commons:Template:No_permission_since to en.wp. Currently there is no suitable template for images where the upploder claims that a permission exists but doesn't link to the permission or otherwise allows verification. /Lokal_Profil 10:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Where would it be used? --Iamunknown 17:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- On Image:Pmj.jpg for instance. /Lokal_Profil 12:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- We don't currently have a category or workflow for this type of problem. I would suggest WP:IFD since the license cannot be verified. The permission-since style template would require some additional criteria for speedy deletion, currently not having proof of license status is not a criteria. - cohesion 23:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well I tagged Image:Pmj.jpg as {{no license}}, even if we had full written permission from the website owner it would be moot in this case since it says on the site that he does now hold the copyright to any of the images, just collected them from varios magazines mostly. --Sherool (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I can always use PUI. /Lokal_Profil 01:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I like the {{no license}} solution also, the previous tag was not really complete in terms of information. - cohesion 05:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I can always use PUI. /Lokal_Profil 01:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Template:PD-USGov-NARA should be deleted
In accordance with Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Template:PD-USGov-NARA, I've nominated Template:PD-USGov-NARA for deletion. Please post comments at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 30#Template:PD-USGov-NARA. howcheng {chat} 17:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 30#Template:PD-WWII-in-Color. --Iamunknown 23:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Freeing GFDL from "disclaimers"
Please see Wikipedia:GFDL standardization, which intends to address the legal morass of having added "Subject to disclaimers" to {{GFDL}} and hence creating a licensing tag that is technically incompatible with the normal GFDL applied at most other projects and Commons. Comments welcome at Wikipedia talk:GFDL standardization. Dragons flight 02:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Requesting derivative work/nonfree tag
I've been having trouble with the copyright tagging of original creation derivative works that use Fair use content. See for example Image:Newspapers.jpg and Image:HebraicaStack.jpg. I would be very happy if a new copyright tag was created for images with this status, since I am unsure how to handle such cases. Thanks, nadav 09:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- IANAL but I'd have serious question as to whether that image is in fact a derivative work of Haaretz. Improper usage might be a trademark violation but I'm hard pressed seeing how Haaretz could assert copyright here. There just isn't enough content copied. The only thing that might qualify (and this is a push) would be the picture on the front of the Israeli language edition. So I'd go for marking this as an image created by Gila Brand and licensed to wikipedia under the GFDL and CCA. jbolden1517Talk 18:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well that's exactly why there should be a section of WP:NONFREE that expalains derivative works better, or at least an appropriate copyright tag. I thought it was better to err on the side of caution when I asked Gilabrand to add a nonfree tag also, since the image is essentially one Haaretz paper overlaid on another, and in fact is being used at Haaretz mostly for the purpose of showing the logo of the paper. nadav 21:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- No its not being used by Haaretz. Gila Brand the uploader is claiming he took it. jbolden1517Talk 01:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- Gila Brand did photgraph the papers. I wrote that the image is being used on the [[Haaretz] article page to depict the logo. You can discuss this on the image's talk page. What I am asking about here is a general derivative work tag. nadav 01:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- No its not being used by Haaretz. Gila Brand the uploader is claiming he took it. jbolden1517Talk 01:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well that's exactly why there should be a section of WP:NONFREE that expalains derivative works better, or at least an appropriate copyright tag. I thought it was better to err on the side of caution when I asked Gilabrand to add a nonfree tag also, since the image is essentially one Haaretz paper overlaid on another, and in fact is being used at Haaretz mostly for the purpose of showing the logo of the paper. nadav 21:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Question about 8-bit word processor screenshot
A while back, I added a screenshot of the 8-bit SpeedScript word processor (a magazine type-in) to Wikipedia. (See Image:SpeedScript 128 In Action.gif.) Currently, this is listed as a {{Non-free software screenshot}} since the copyright to the software is presumably owned by someone (even though the magazine went out of print about 15 years ago). However, I wonder if it's even eligible for copyright at all. The overwhelming majority of the image (23 of 25 lines) consists of text from the MOS Technology 8563 article, which I typed in to show the word processor in action. This text is, of course, GFDL. The remainder simply consists of a header line that reads, in plaintext, "SpeedScript 128 by Charles Brannon & Bob Kodadek Insert Mode". Is this screenshot eligible for copyright protection, or can I mark it as {{PD-ineligible}}? According to this site, "Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans are not protected by copyright law. Similarly, it is clear that copyright law does not protect simple product lettering or coloring, or the mere listing of product ingredients or contents. The exclusion of these types of materials is not an exception to copyright law, but merely an application of the requirements for copyright protection. To be protected by copyright, a work must contain at least a minimum amount of authorship in the form of original expression. Names, titles, and other short phrases are simply too minimal to meet these requirements." I think that this screenshot does not contain sufficient creative expression to be copyrighted. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of others on this issue. *** Crotalus *** 10:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- IANAL but I think you could legally assert sole copyright on the image and then grant a GFDL license. This isn't a wikipedia choice though, you have to assert your ownership without that assertion wikipedia can't make its assertion it agrees with your claim. This image is an exception btw for the reasons you listed (basically there is no copyrightable content that isn't yours). jbolden1517Talk 14:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think it would be completely reasonable for you to assert sole copyright on that image. Kaldari 20:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
What tag if any?
If the source website says "The contents of PDB are in the public domain. Online and printed resources are welcome to include PDB data and images from the RCSB PDB website, and may be sold, as long as the images and data are not for sale as commercial items themselves, and their corresponding citations are included." and "Obtaining and Using Molecular Images from the RCSB PDB Users are free to use molecular images from the RCSB PDB site provided that a proper citation is a given." Would that pd something or some tag like that?--Kolrobie 13:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Their copyright notice is contradictory. Regardless, since they do not permit unrestricted commercial reuse, the images are ineligible to be used in Wikipedia (unless you can claim fair use). Kaldari 20:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
"Non-free" prefix on image copyright tags
Since {{Logo}} has been moved to {{Non-free logo}}, should {{Film logo}} be moved to {{Non-free film logo}} and {{K12-logo}} be moved to {{Non-free K12 logo}}? --Eastmain 04:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- More or less, or rather I think most such will be merged into {{Non-free logo}} since these templates are supposed to identify copyright status wich tend to be the same regardles of what kind of organization the logo belongs to. See Wikipedia:Non-free content/templates for more details on the "project". --Sherool (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
New tags for images of art not fitting existing tags
I have created:
- {{PD-Roundart}} - for images of 3D art rleased under a free licesne, must specify source and licesne.
- {{PD-Flatart-Nosource}} - for images of 2D art which are PD in the uS under the Corel decision, but where the soure of the photo is unspecified.
- {{ImageRound-Nosource}} for images of 3D art where the source of the photo is not specified. Thsi is not a free licesne.
I hope these will be useful. DES (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Can I suggest that we only need one new template? This can be simply added to PD-art images where no source has been provided to kindly ask that a source be provided - both to enable users to verify the copyright status AND to provide a way to verify the identity of the image and so conform to WP:IUP and WP:V.
- For any 3-d works of art which have been mistagged as PD-art or are missing sources that enable copyright to be verified then the normal {{PUIdisputed}} does the job fine as it calls for a review of the copyright status and/or source - and essentially that is what is needed, it also gives a chance to notify the uploader in a friendly manner and ask them to rethink the copyright tag that has been used and/or provide a source. This tag is also appropriate when the PD-art status of any image is in doubt. Madmedea 18:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)