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:::::Well then if this is the official discussion then I'm leaning oppose as the point is not to make the shortest possible description. Season and episode numbers important to the context of an episode. I'll see what other editors have to say and I might change my mind based on their arguments (no arguments have thus been presented other than length, which is a non-argument really). As for the discussion, I'm sure you can find them across the talk archives here and in the infobox. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
:::::Well then if this is the official discussion then I'm leaning oppose as the point is not to make the shortest possible description. Season and episode numbers important to the context of an episode. I'll see what other editors have to say and I might change my mind based on their arguments (no arguments have thus been presented other than length, which is a non-argument really). As for the discussion, I'm sure you can find them across the talk archives here and in the infobox. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 16:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::It's difficult for me to take your claims that the 'current style' has been in use since 2018 and is in use on 12k pages with a lot of weight when, when asked to provide the basis for the 'current style', you essentially tell me to go on a fishing expedition rather than providing direct evidence for your claims. I look forward to hearing what other editors might have to say on this matter. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
::::::It's difficult for me to take your claims that the 'current style' has been in use since 2018 and is in use on 12k pages with a lot of weight when, when asked to provide the basis for the 'current style', you essentially tell me to go on a fishing expedition rather than providing direct evidence for your claims. I look forward to hearing what other editors might have to say on this matter. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Short descriptions are meant to help distinguish pages on search results from other similarly named pages, not to fully identify a topic. That's why they should fit into 40 characters. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Interlanguage link/s
Is it okay to put an Interlanguage link in drama article's lede? ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 19:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Likely. What page are you looking for this to happen on and to what link? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Mostly actor/s link on South Korean drama articles like this one. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 03:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- That seems fine in my opinion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Mostly actor/s link on South Korean drama articles like this one. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 03:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not usually in enwiki, but others, and come here occasionally, so I do not know the rules. Today I saw this page first time, and I have a question.
I update constantly the casting table in List of Call the Midwife characters. Did I understand correctly that I should split this table into two parts, for main (at least once) and for recurrent cast, and remove a few lines for guests only? Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 11:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Second-round RfC on titles of TV season articles
Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#Follow-up RfC on TV season article titles. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Boy Meets World (season 1) - does recurring cast belong in the infobox's "starring" list?
An editor has added an actress who is considered a recurring cast member (in this particular season of the show) to the starring parameter in that article's infobox, but I don't think that's correct. I started a talk page entry there about this, at Talk:Boy Meets World (season 1)#Inclusion of Danielle Fishel in the starring part of the infobox. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:So Help Me Todd § Co-starring actors again
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:So Help Me Todd § Co-starring actors again. Editors are needed to weigh in on this in order to reach a consensus. This is about co-starring actors. — YoungForever(talk) 14:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Short description for TV series?
Prompted by this edit, which changed the short description of a TV series article from "NBC sitcom" to "American television sitcom (1997-2003)", is there a consensus as to how the short descriptions for TV series articles should generally be formatted? I checked WP:SDEXAMPLES, but there's no specific recommendation there. Left to my own devices, using the examples that are shown, I'd probably suggest, "NBC television show (1997-2003)", as the examples tend to deemphasize nationality (except for people) and genre. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter! DonIago (talk) 15:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Out of the two, "American television sitcom" is in my opinion better than "NBC television show". Part of the reasoning behind this is consistency in short descriptions. While NBC might be known in countries other than its home country, would "Rustavi 2" mean anything to you? How about a short description stating "ABC television show", would that be American Broadcasting Company or Australian Broadcasting Corporation? Gonnym (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough; I was thinking of the SDs for film articles, where nationality is discouraged, but I know it's not a one-for-one comparison. DonIago (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Readers mostly don't care which network it was but they mostly probably do already know it's a TV show. Telling them something about the type of show is more meaningful. Nationality seems reasonable; I don't know why it would be discouraged for films, other than the few cases where editors keep arguing about how to nationally identify a particular production. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough; I was thinking of the SDs for film articles, where nationality is discouraged, but I know it's not a one-for-one comparison. DonIago (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Articles for creation accepting sub-par season articles
Not sure how often this issue arises, but I came across three articles that went through the AFC process today (CSI: Vegas (season 1), CSI: Vegas (season 2), and CSI: Vegas (season 3)), that clearly wouldn't be acceptable under the standards of MOS:TV. The merely consisted of a cast listing, episode summaries, and ratings, things that could easily be housed on the parent article, or should be split out to a LoE page, if needed, per MOS:TVSPLIT. There was no production info, critical reception, etc., that we would traditionally expect to see in a season article. I went ahead and draftified the first and second season articles, but am leaving the third article and LoE page for now, only because they had under construction templates on them. I'm sure to an average AFC reviewer, unaware of the expectations of a season article, it looked okay having ~20 citations, but they were strictly sources for viewing figures. Just wanted to drop a message here, because I'm sure if these three were created, there's probably others. I almost left a message on their talk page as well, but I'm not sure if it would help much. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- On further examination, all articles were created by the same shared IP address, and I also found three others. The Equalizer (season 2), The Equalizer (season 3), and The Equalizer (season 4), that all went through the AFC process as well. There's also The Equalizer (season 1), which has a very short development section that's strictly (main) casting and a sentence about the series order, with no information on recurring or guest starring roles, this could again, easily be housed in the parent article. All eight of these articles were accepted today. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Short descriptions for individual episode articles?
Any guidance for how short descriptions for articles for individual episodes of TV series should generally be formatted? As an example, the short description for "The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation)" reads "26th episode of 3rd season and the 1st episode of the 4th season" which is well beyond the 40-character limit recommended at WP:SD40. I'm not sure it's very informative for a reader either...it doesn't mention the name of the series, for instance, though granted in this case that's mentioned in the article name. Courtesy pinging Gonnym (talk · contribs) as the editor who inserted that SD, but I really am hoping for broader guidance here. DonIago (talk) 14:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Should just be just "<Show name> episode", with year and region disamb as needed Masem (t) 14:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Television episodes don't need to be touched most of the times as the infobox handles this automatically. 40 is not the hard limit so this is fine. Gonnym (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain why you don't feel Masem's suggestion is sufficient? DonIago (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- The current style of episode short description has been in use since 2018 and is used on over 12k pages. If you wish to change them, start a discussion get consensus to change them all. Don't do it on a page by page basis (and never do this). Gonnym (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- I would say this is such a discussion. Can you provide any links to the discussion in which the 'current style' was established, as per my initial post? DonIago (talk) 16:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well then if this is the official discussion then I'm leaning oppose as the point is not to make the shortest possible description. Season and episode numbers important to the context of an episode. I'll see what other editors have to say and I might change my mind based on their arguments (no arguments have thus been presented other than length, which is a non-argument really). As for the discussion, I'm sure you can find them across the talk archives here and in the infobox. Gonnym (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's difficult for me to take your claims that the 'current style' has been in use since 2018 and is in use on 12k pages with a lot of weight when, when asked to provide the basis for the 'current style', you essentially tell me to go on a fishing expedition rather than providing direct evidence for your claims. I look forward to hearing what other editors might have to say on this matter. DonIago (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Short descriptions are meant to help distinguish pages on search results from other similarly named pages, not to fully identify a topic. That's why they should fit into 40 characters. Masem (t) 19:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well then if this is the official discussion then I'm leaning oppose as the point is not to make the shortest possible description. Season and episode numbers important to the context of an episode. I'll see what other editors have to say and I might change my mind based on their arguments (no arguments have thus been presented other than length, which is a non-argument really). As for the discussion, I'm sure you can find them across the talk archives here and in the infobox. Gonnym (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- I would say this is such a discussion. Can you provide any links to the discussion in which the 'current style' was established, as per my initial post? DonIago (talk) 16:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- The current style of episode short description has been in use since 2018 and is used on over 12k pages. If you wish to change them, start a discussion get consensus to change them all. Don't do it on a page by page basis (and never do this). Gonnym (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain why you don't feel Masem's suggestion is sufficient? DonIago (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)