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:You totally don't get it, and your handwaving and "I did other stuff" only compounds. Obviously underlying processes failed (in FP and at the signpost) that you have such disgression - and bty this isn't about FP quality, or whatever divert, but your raw aggression and seeming my way or the high way dictatorship. I'll launch a recall at FPC soon enough, and frankly I think you have a self destruction agenda, which is along the lines of "I like confronting all ages and sexes with 19th century pictures of women pissing on the street, and if you don't like it, then tough, as I am MASTER OF Wikipedia:Picture of the day, SO HAA HOO to you." [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
:You totally don't get it, and your handwaving and "I did other stuff" only compounds. Obviously underlying processes failed (in FP and at the signpost) that you have such disgression - and bty this isn't about FP quality, or whatever divert, but your raw aggression and seeming my way or the high way dictatorship. I'll launch a recall at FPC soon enough, and frankly I think you have a self destruction agenda, which is along the lines of "I like confronting all ages and sexes with 19th century pictures of women pissing on the street, and if you don't like it, then tough, as I am MASTER OF Wikipedia:Picture of the day, SO HAA HOO to you." [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
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== Social media credentials == |
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A note for general awareness: I wrote up [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination#Outreach_Manager|some documentation]] last month about the Signpost Twitter feed and Facebook page (having taken care of posting each new issue there since February 2021, when they had been dormant for a while). In particular, I have listed who has access to these (to my knowledge). Experience has shown that that information tends to get lost over time. If someone happens to read this who also has access and doesn't see themselves listed, please add yourself on that page. |
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And some related responses to a more recent [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HaeB&diff=1091880629&oldid=1091063927 question] by [[User:EpicPupper|EpicPupper]]: |
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{{tq|I'd appreciate if you could send me the credentials for our Twitter and Facebook accounts :)}} |
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:There are no credentials for the Facebook page, access is granted via individual Facebook accounts - i.e. you will need to let [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] (currently the page's sole administrator) know your personal Facebook account, so that he can add you as admin or editor. He has also been the person who has been taking care of maintaining the @wikisignpost Twitter credentials for years (it may well be thanks to him that they haven't been lost yet). I'll send you the password myself now, but I can't commit to serving as the credentials maintainer/distributor in the future. (CCing [[User:JPxG|JPxG]] who IIRC had been interested in helping to improve the bus factor in such matters) |
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{{tq|I'd love to help with writing copy for each issue, as well as scheduled Tweets/Facebook posts, in order to hopefully increase our reach.}} |
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:I'm still fine with committing to send out at least one post for each new issue. But I tend to not have bandwidth for much more, so if you are up for contributing additional posts, that would be great. You are also welcome to take on that initial announcement in any given month, but in that case please notify me beforehand - I'd like to avoid allocating time for writing up and posting the announcement only to find out that someone else has already done it. |
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:Besides posting more links to our own stories, it would also be great to curate the Twitter account more actively by e.g. tweeting or retweeting relevant news in a timely manner before covering them more fully in the next Signpost issue. I was doing that back in 2010/2011 when I was editor-in-chief ([https://mobile.twitter.com/wikisignpost/status/81736090368741376 random example]), and IIRC more than doubled the number of followers within a year, to around 2000 (it's at 4,235 right now). |
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Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 07:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:" [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] (currently the page's sole administrator)" There should definitely be 2 administrators for any such property. Ppl disappear, ppl loose their FB account and sometime ppl die. We should not rely on a single owner. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:BTW. https://tweetdeck.twitter.com lets you share Twitter accounts with a team, without having to pass around the 1 and only password to each of those team members. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the kind words, {{u|HaeB}}! And I am of course happy to grant admin access to someone else on the ''Signpost'' team. [[User:The ed17|Ed]] <sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 00:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*{{ping|The ed17}} {{ping|HaeB}} Check your emails. '''[[User:JPxG|jp]]'''×'''[[User talk:JPxG|g]]''' 20:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC) |
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**{{ping|JPxG}} I've replied! [[User:The ed17|Ed]] <sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 16:31, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:I won’t be here for publication today. @[[User:Jayen466|Jayen466]], please add your opinion to a column; @[[User:JPxG|JPxG]] can help with that. [[User:EpicPupper|🐶 EpicPupper]] <sup>(he/him | [[User talk:EpicPupper|talk]])</sup> 17:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC) |
:I won’t be here for publication today. @[[User:Jayen466|Jayen466]], please add your opinion to a column; @[[User:JPxG|JPxG]] can help with that. [[User:EpicPupper|🐶 EpicPupper]] <sup>(he/him | [[User talk:EpicPupper|talk]])</sup> 17:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|EpicPupper}} Thanks, I sent JPxG the formatted draft earlier. Best, [[User:Jayen466|Andreas]] <small>[[User_Talk:Jayen466|<span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jayen466|466]]</small> 17:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC) |
::{{ping|EpicPupper}} Thanks, I sent JPxG the formatted draft earlier. Best, [[User:Jayen466|Andreas]] <small>[[User_Talk:Jayen466|<span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jayen466|466]]</small> 17:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC) |
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== Update on Twitter == |
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Over the past 28 days, I've posted 22 tweets, impressions have risen 3,095.8%, profile visits are up 819.5%, mentions have increased 160.0%, and in June we have 9 new followers. I'm taking this as a success to keep on doing a similar strategy {{smiley}} [https://twitter.com/wikisignpost/status/1536536336684855297 This tweet] was the most popular, earning 11.2K impressions, which lead me to come to the conclusion that more tweets welcoming newcomers would be beneficial (as that tweet was designed). Our top mention this month was [https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1539619674949914624 this] WMF tweet requested by me through DMs, indicating that we probably should request more of such things. Finally, [https://twitter.com/wikisignpost/status/1536540521077698561 this] was our most popular media tweet. I think that we should probably include more media in our outreach efforts. All in all, I consider this month to be a success! I'll be considering expanding into more social channels like Instagram and Reddit. Pinging @[[User:JPxG|JPxG]], who requested these metrics. Cheers! (PS, also noting that I'll be going through the suggestions tomorrow). [[User:EpicPupper|🐶 EpicPupper]] <sup>(he/him | [[User talk:EpicPupper|talk]])</sup> 16:41, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
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[[file:Red Panda (24986761703).jpg|thumb|right|not a factor in the research?]] |
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:{{ping|EpicPupper}} You neglected to mention in your research methodology that you posted a red panda. Keep it up, you are doing great, but I think a more plausible theory is that cute animal pics matched to beginner outreach is effective as a comms strategy. I think people want beginner outreach too, but we are a social media channel that can post interesting pictures in an on-topic and relevant way. We can leverage that! [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Next month's opinion piece
I was toying with writing an opinion piece and offering it for publication next month. I see there is already an opinion piece, which is great because it gives me more time. However, I have concerns about the current draft by Adam Cuerden, "Picture of the Day: How I plan to ru(i)n it". I understand that it is intended to be humorous, and I understand that it is a draft, but I think the sarcasm may be missed by some readers. I'm not totally sure that I know which parts of this are intended to be jokes and which parts are intended to be serious. I would much prefer to read a straightforward statement of what Adam Cuerden intends to do then try to understand his sense of humor. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with the above in the sense it is a bit too heavy on the sarcasm/personal grudges for me, but I don't think it needs to be super super straightforward. An opinion piece thats toned down significantly (and shows some appreciation for those that have ran FP before) would be a better fit imho. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 00:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've added a few additions to contextualise it. Basically, I hate talking about myself. I really can't write a serious post introducing me and have it be readable. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- We're all glad to write a post for you in the future, Adam ^u^ In any case, good luck with POTD. I'm particularly excited about theming. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 14:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you think you can, feel free. I am trying to use the humour to get people to actually read some important points, though, like how we need more participation at WP:FPC, and to talk about my theory of what belongs on the main page. I would like it to run, but if there's specific sections that are too sarcastic, let me know. Can always trim it a bit. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- We're all glad to write a post for you in the future, Adam ^u^ In any case, good luck with POTD. I'm particularly excited about theming. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 14:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've added a few additions to contextualise it. Basically, I hate talking about myself. I really can't write a serious post introducing me and have it be readable. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Cross posting [1]. Is this deep offensive, arrogant, leave it or lump it, fingers up to the community rationalizing rant dressed up as an op-ed really going to be published. It will lead to the signposts discretion, and Adam’s removal from his post, which should really happen now anyway, given his brazen dancing in the face of any other opinions. I advise editorial discretion, and as its a real name account, rev delete, although wow, how did he get to this position. Ceoil (talk) 15:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ps I know the charade is "humour", but its fingers to you humour and a highly transparent bid for dictatorships, and fits neatly into his "cant hear/wont hear" attitude lately. Does not have my trust. Ceoil (talk) 15:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- ...I really don't get people some days. How hyperbolic can one be? In the last month, I've given POTD a 6 month buffer, put Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused on a more open and less arbitrary basis, and all this from a start where there was less than two weeks before POTD ran out of entries. And it was demonstrated that a lot of complaints were horribly overblown. Wikipedia did not fall apart because a pooing seagull taught everyone about guano, or that Durova got one last go on the main page with some 18th century crudeness in art. We've also delisted a bunch of things that weren't of FP quality, dealing with POTD/Unused that way. A few hard discussions and a rough month and we've cut through an anti-democratic process of arbitrary pulling of images, and made it an open, documented one. And I'd say that's worth a difficult first month.
- But things did get ridiculous. If the objection to running an image is that it's not good enough quality, then the appropriate venue is the FPC delisting process. After two weeks of suggesting this, I finally acted on their behalf and put the Merkin image up for delisting. And it turns out things work exactly as they should if you use the appropriate process. Some people really don't want to be helped. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- You totally don't get it, and your handwaving and "I did other stuff" only compounds. Obviously underlying processes failed (in FP and at the signpost) that you have such disgression - and bty this isn't about FP quality, or whatever divert, but your raw aggression and seeming my way or the high way dictatorship. I'll launch a recall at FPC soon enough, and frankly I think you have a self destruction agenda, which is along the lines of "I like confronting all ages and sexes with 19th century pictures of women pissing on the street, and if you don't like it, then tough, as I am MASTER OF Wikipedia:Picture of the day, SO HAA HOO to you." Ceoil (talk) 01:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Discussion board
I had the idea of making a 'discussion board' of sorts for each issue. Just a page that displays all the comments from each article in one place for easy access. Something like this. Thoughts? ––FormalDude talk 13:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- This was suggested off-wiki as well, and I support it. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can create it for this issue. We'll need to decide where we want to link to it though. Preferably somewhere on the main page for the issue. ––FormalDude talk 17:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Module:Signpost could work well for generating such. Maybe a link in the bottom links bar 🍸? 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can create it for this issue. We'll need to decide where we want to link to it though. Preferably somewhere on the main page for the issue. ––FormalDude talk 17:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Reuters
Wikipedia fights Russian order to remove Ukraine war information (from Reuters, 13 June 2022). Does someone have access to the Russian court order, seemingly directed at WMF in the US? Vysotsky (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I found it (in Russian of course) on the Roskomnadzor website at one point. See Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Archive 23#Roskomnadzor demands censorship. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Humor
I assume it's a work in progress, and how do the green boxes work? After all, the team is not Ros Angeles Lakers, nor is the movie Star Srek or Star Grek. (I don't know much of the answers, but of course I know the building in WP:SPIDER!) igordebraga ≠ 16:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Next issue/Opinion "holiday" error?
Near the end of the article is the text write blurbs for awesome featured pictures that haven't appeared yet on the main page, possibly to celebrate holidays such as Hallowe'en, Christmas, Diwali, or Ramadan
. My understanding is Ramadan is a religious observance containing the holiday Eid al-Fitr, so this probably should be rewritten. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: do you concur? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fair point. It has certain trappings of a holiday, but isn't technically one. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
12 days until publication
We don't have much right now. NAN definitely needs expansion, ITM has some but optimally would have more, FC has a barebones thing and an awesome intro, Opinion needs CE and approval, arb report has 3 months to cover. I have a few things that I'd like to add that I'm dumping here. Please submit your stuff. More to come later.
- By the numbers
- News from the WMF
- Tech report
- ITM 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 00:33, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- WLE 2022 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @EpicPupper: FC and Opinion are ready for copyedit now. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:05, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also made a Gallery celebrating the solstice, both Summer and Winter.
Potential outing issue
I'll be contacting an E-in-C about a potential outing in the next issue. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC) Mail sent ☆ Bri (talk) 20:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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Oh wow, it’s this weekend
I may have a lighter presence this publication. Swamped with IRL stuff. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 23:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Re: where WM spends its money
Jayen466: An important topic, but the overview in the upcoming News and Notes doesn't seem to be an accurate representation of currently available information. I pointed some of this out in my email reply on wikimedia-l, but reposting here since Andreas's original email is making its way into a column :) In particular, the claims about the % of revenue going to various regions are incorrect readings of the 990.
That grantmaking line referenced in this article doesn't seem to include APGs (before or after they were renamed). The APGs to Indonesia 2019-20 and CIS 2019-20 (now pointing to the correct years!) are another $500k to the S. Asia region. I don't know where the confusion comes in, but perhaps some of the larger funds distributions for one- or multi-year annual plans are glossed as program services and not 'grants'. Better to get clarification from someone in the department.
Another statement about funds spent "in the United States" is also worth qualifying given the global distribution of the team.
My view:
- + Grants, exclusive of APGs, are mostly going outside of NA + Europe.
- – Few new organizations lately have reached the size / capacity of having regular APGs. This greatly limits what we can accomplish regionally.
- = The other limit on $ diffusion right now is a shortage of good ideas for how to use funding locally to advance the projects, and people to implement them. We can't fund communities that don't have funding bottlenecks, or that don't exist. Recent proposals are a mixed bag.
- + The new grants program is giving community members experience in evaluating + soliciting ideas, and increasing the supply of funds. Which starts the bootstrapping process. +10
- – We're starting in a valley: total funds disseminated outside the foundation has been low for years, due in part to the WMF encouraging other orgs to limit growth.
Which is to say, as far as I can tell via public records:
- The supply taps are open, and most if not all solid grantable proposals from underrepresented regions are being supported.
- Grants are a lagging indicator of support; redirected staff time is a present indicator; language about priorities and focus is a leading indicator.
- Current language matches what I've seen of active focus; grant programs build momentum over time.
- A lot about the current year's efforts [which any current conversation would be about] remains unwritten; including updates to the plans of established chapters in underrepresented regions, the development of regional hub, and the like.
The implication of the above, if true, is that to do more than what has been achieved recently by expanding grant support for solid proposals from the region, would mean redirecting foundation staff energies and time towards the global south. Those staff would for now be employees of the global org, until there is regional capacity to support that work. 990 data doesn't say one way or another whether this is happening, but a good deal of narrative energy and named roles are currently going into it. – SJ + 21:54, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sj: I am using the figures and labels as given by the Foundation in the 2020 tax return it submitted to the IRS: [2] I believe this to be the most solid, dependable and accurate data available. If you would like to dispute any of the figures, please point me to the appropriate page in the Form 990 where you believe it shows something else than what I say.
- I do agree that CIS-A2K funding appears to have been included under Program Services: I believe it accounts for the lion's share of the $640K going to South Asia. (Note that South Asia does not include Indonesia, which is instead lumped together with affluent north countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Australia in the East Asia/Pacific region. The Middle East and North Africa region is a similar case, including Israel and the oil-rich countries of the Arabian peninsula. Best, Andreas JN466 08:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- I read Jayen466's summary and support it as suitable reporting for The Signpost. We are a volunteer publication taking on very complicated reporting. We cannot promise professional level fact-checking and investigation, but there is fact checking and journalism review process here, and I think this story meets the established standard.
- The Wikimedia Foundation is aware that the Wikimedia community expects transparency in financial reporting. They are the ones with the money, and they decided how to present themselves and how available they want to make themselves for interviews. I put an hour into into reading the articles, looking at the source documents, and talking with Jayen about their process for making this. We are a community publication and this is the level of review that we can attain. That think this article is good enough to publish, and if there are errors or something to correct, then we can do a retraction or correction in the next round. The Wikimedia Foundation is also welcome to be proactive in sharing their own financial reports with The Signpost if they want to engage, or publish their own version of this, or provide a representative for an interview.
- Part of the journalism cycle here includes comments on the newspaper issue talk page. If there are errors here then the crowdsourced Wikipedia community has the option to address them publicly.
- I looked at the tax forms. I am not an accountant, but that is the info WMF makes available for us to check, so I and others did the best we could to interpret it. I give my ✅ approval on this as journalism meeting the standard that we can attain as volunteers. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Chiefing some edits
I'm going to leave my notes on what I see here as I go through everything.
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/News and notes is coming along good.
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In the media is coming along good.
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Discussion report is an empty draft. I assume EP will be working on it.
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Opinion looks good for the most part. @Adam Cuerden: I'd recommend dropping some of the "uh"s and "ums" and misc filler words. If you want, I can dick around with commas. The "what can we do to stop you" section is very confusing. I get that you are doing a bit, but it's kind of hard to follow, and you write a whole paragraph saying a bunch of very bad advice. It may need some work to make it clearer what you are going for.
- Isn't the whole "Just do the opposite" shtick clear? Will tweak. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 04:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Edit it as you like. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 13:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
jp×g 18:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JPxG will you be available to publish? 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Darn tootin'. I have been away from Wikipedia the last few weeks but I will be here to run this shit into the ground in a few days. Buckle up! jp×g 18:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good luck y'all :) I'll be recovering from surgery but if you need me on short notice you can always DM me here or on Discord for any last moment fixes. Thankfully this seems like a smaller issue than last time so it should go more smoothly. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 19:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've copyedited everything I can. I presume I can't just copyedit my own articles. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 12:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good luck y'all :) I'll be recovering from surgery but if you need me on short notice you can always DM me here or on Discord for any last moment fixes. Thankfully this seems like a smaller issue than last time so it should go more smoothly. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 19:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- @EpicPupper: I've emailed you the piece we discussed the other day. Am happy to put it up; just let me know where to put it. JPxG, let me know if you'd like to see the draft as well before it goes on-wiki. Best, --Andreas JN466 19:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Darn tootin'. I have been away from Wikipedia the last few weeks but I will be here to run this shit into the ground in a few days. Buckle up! jp×g 18:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
State of the articles:
- Only need EiC approval
- Discussion, Serendipity, Essay, Humour. (I think I copyedited all of these.)
- Only need EiC approval, but with a note from the copyeditor
- I think I got the Traffic Report formatted correctly, but check my work. The first table has to be partial width to fit the graph next to it, but the rest looks untidy if it's not full width.
- Basically done, but could use a copyedit by not-me since I wrote them
- Opinion, Gallery, Featured Content. Just cut anything from Opinion you want to. Too late to discuss more changes now.
- Others
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- News and Notes:
Two big problems:Upgraded to readyHas this linked as a planned story. Given I don't see the history behind the policy being written, I don't know how to cover this. If it's time-sensitive, this needs done ASAP.I don't think #Re: where WM spends its money has been edited in at all, which is particularly bad as that section is linked from another article.
- In the Media: If we lose the "Optional: Give a short WP:LEAD-like introduction statement here." line, it's probably fine to publish after a copyedit. I don't know if it's done-done, but I can't see it getting more done before publication.
- News from the WMF: Honestly, if we remove the "Optional: Give a short WP:LEAD-like introduction statement here." bit, it's publishable. but this reads like an advertisement. Like, really reads like an advert. Possibly important information, though.
- News and Notes:
- Not started, with slight appearance of a start
- Arbitration report is basically blank.
Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 23:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: #Re: where WM spends its money I'm not sure what you feel needs doing. The section is not meant to be any more than a summary of the data on non-US and Global South spending reported to the IRS in the recently released Form 990. --Andreas JN466 23:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Jayen466: Perhaps I should have said that there's a section on this page discussing that bit, and I'm not sure whether we want to publish without incorporating that commentary somewhere in the issue. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- The only thing I thought was actionable was the point about CIS funding probably being included in Program Services -- but absent confirmation from WMF I am not prepared to state that as a fact. (I did ask about this but received no reply. Basically I suspect that CIS is treated much like a chapter and that all APGs for chapters and the like are reported to the IRS under Program Services.) Andreas JN466 00:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Jayen466: Perhaps I should have said that there's a section on this page discussing that bit, and I'm not sure whether we want to publish without incorporating that commentary somewhere in the issue. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- I won’t be here for publication today. @Jayen466, please add your opinion to a column; @JPxG can help with that. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 17:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @EpicPupper: Thanks, I sent JPxG the formatted draft earlier. Best, Andreas JN466 17:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Transphobie sur Wikipédia, les auteurices de BD s’indignent
I just stumbled upon this recent French article, should probably be added to in the news section. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Machine translated title "Transphobia on Wikipedia, the authors of comics are indignant". I don't read French but this appears to be about an artist's deadname in a WP bio. The publisher has a fr.wiki article, ActuaBD. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
In the media / "home chemistry"
Potential fact checking problem. I was unable to confirm that "home chemistry" is a term that means house arrest in Russian. I checked the Russian Wikipedia house arrest article, ru:Домашний арест and Google Books (in English). I'd expect it to be roughly Домашний Химия and it doens't seem promising for a Google search. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- I changed the spelling to "домашней химии" and found some stuff. Maybe it's OK, probably Belarusian slang. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll link to https://sputnik.by/20210707/ot-domashney-khimii-do-tyurmy-kak-osuzhdennye-v-belarusi-otbyvayut-nakazanie-1054494446.html in the section. It gives all the usual punisments in Belarus (in Russian) and the reason for use of the word "chemistry". All the sources on the trial outcome only use the term, so of course I had to find out what it meant, Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Enjoyed "editing" this issue
@JPxG, Bri, and Jayen466: I've gone thru and edited to my heart's content except for Arb report. Everything looks fine, but I'll say it's much nicer to edit as just 1 of 3 editors rather than as E-i-C. More relaxed. One minor problem - I'll let JPxG sort it out - and accept what he says. I trimmed an item by Andreas in ITM about a mis-translation. How much do we really need to say about a mistranslation. Andreas disagreed and reverted me. That's not what I.m used to, but of course the situation has changed. I'll just switch it back in the next ITM edit and forget about it whatever happens. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- See this edit Smallbones(smalltalk)
- @JPxG and HaeB: I added the final paragraph to ITM, and am done (I hope) except as a reader. Are we close to "hands off the keyboards" yet? Smallbones(smalltalk)
- Thanks for the heads-up! On first glance it looks like this Nature article might warrant a fuller treatment (it's also OA under a free license, so we can reuse figures), so I might postpone its coverage in RR.
- Concerning hands and keyboards, note that Template:Signpost/Deadline as our single source of truth was updated about an hour ago. Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JPxG and HaeB: I added the final paragraph to ITM, and am done (I hope) except as a reader. Are we close to "hands off the keyboards" yet? Smallbones(smalltalk)
- Thanks for raising it here, Smallbones. Let me explain. I was concerned about this interview because the Indian Express is a major national daily (and a top-100 website in India) and the original wording (that "most of" the money raised around the world is going to the Global South) was just so striking (and so strikingly wrong) that I wouldn't have thought anyone reading through the article could have failed to notice it. I am quite certain that people at WMF Communications read through major news articles -- especially in a case like this, as this article was placed as part of the PR work preparing the ground for the Indian fundraiser that was then just kicking off. I am sure we can agree that leaving the Indian public with the impression that most of the money donated would go to the Global South -- including India itself -- would make them more inclined to donate.
- As far as I know, there was no mistranslation involved here and no one has claimed that there was. I think the interview was conducted in English. What Megan did say is that Raju was misquoted -- in which case surely they could have sought a correction of such an obvious and grave error. But five days passed without the WMF seeking such a correction, until I brought the matter up on the mailing list (and others pointed out to WMF staff that this is the sort of statement that people might feel really angry about if it turned out not to be true). Given that the mailing list discussion is what led to the correction, I think it is relevant for it to be available to readers to enable them to understand the situation; hence the link to it.
- The reason I included Megan's full response to this issue in my piece is that she specifically endorsed the "a lot" wording on Meta that the WMF asked the Indian Express to use instead and linked to the grantmaking report. People should be able to follow her link and make up their own minds. I personally believe that most Indian Express readers would interpret the statement that "a lot" of the money raised internationally flows into the Global South to mean that this is a substantial percentage. I believe most people would think it is more than the 2.4% indicated in the Form 990. So this was my thinking, and I hope it makes some sort of sense now. Best, --Andreas JN466 20:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JPxG:: Could we please make it "Wikipedia's" and "Wikimedia's" in the headline? The abbreviations are not generally well known. [3] --Andreas JN466 21:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, this would be smart. jp×g 21:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JPxG: Anything need some with the Gallery? It wasn't approved yet, but I mainly made it to try and help Bill up the Sipnpost on a slow month. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 22:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Everything's good and ready as far as I can tell. jp×g 22:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Right! Sorry! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 22:23, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Everything's good and ready as far as I can tell. jp×g 22:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JPxG: Anything need some with the Gallery? It wasn't approved yet, but I mainly made it to try and help Bill up the Sipnpost on a slow month. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 22:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, this would be smart. jp×g 21:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Hands off the keyboards
I'm going to start the publishing process now, everything is good to go. Hopefully the script doesn't eat shit like it did last month -- we have fewer articles in this issue, so it should work, but fingers crossed. jp×g 22:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)