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:::Are you surrounded by idiots? That would depend where you are posting from; if you are using a terminal at a museum or library then the chances are "no", and if you are posting from one of those wi-fi enabled fast food concessions then undoubtedly "yes". If you are posting from the bosom of your family, I shall have to admit to ignorance in the matter. I trust this helps... [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 10:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC) |
:::Are you surrounded by idiots? That would depend where you are posting from; if you are using a terminal at a museum or library then the chances are "no", and if you are posting from one of those wi-fi enabled fast food concessions then undoubtedly "yes". If you are posting from the bosom of your family, I shall have to admit to ignorance in the matter. I trust this helps... [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 10:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC) |
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:::: The answers to your questions, Excellency, are "yes" and "no". You are indeed surrounded by idiots. The problem was already sorted out by one of your surrounding idiots, as I couldn't find an intelligent soul at that time of night. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 12:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC) |
:::: The answers to your questions, Excellency, are "yes" and "no". You are indeed surrounded by idiots. The problem was already sorted out by one of your surrounding idiots, as I couldn't find an intelligent soul at that time of night. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 12:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC) |
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== Events from 2 years ago == |
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Hey Giano, you probably remember the events of two years ago. It is rearing its ugly head again, if you wouldn't mind taking a look for me and give me some advice. I can give you a few links to peruse, but they are basically in my recent contribus (mainly at [[WP:AE]] and on [[User_talk:EdJohnston]]. --[[User:Russavia|Russavia]] <sup>[[User talk:Russavia|Let's dialogue]]</sup> 14:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Old messages are at:
- User talk:Giano II/archive 1 (From Oct 2004)
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- User talk:Giano II/archive 3 (From July 2005)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 4 (From Jan 2006)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 5 (From July 2006)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 6 (From Jan 2007)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 7 (From July 2007)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 8 (From Jan 2008)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 9 (From July 2008)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 10 (From Jan 2009)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 11 (From July 2009)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 12 (From Jan 2010)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 13 (From July 2010)
- User talk:Giano II/archive 14 (From Jan 2011)
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- I would also suggest checking out this section from this policy on article ownership. I moved the page back into the mainspace. Cheers. --Adam in MO Talk 08:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- The gods invented userspace as an incubation area in which crappy articles can become decent articles. And yes, I have checked (or checked out) that section from the page about ownership. I have moved the page back. If you, Adam in MO, would like to add an article to mainspace, go ahead and write your own article and add it to mainspace. When the author of this embryonic article thinks that it's worth presenting to the world, he'll move it, and then you may improve it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:05, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I will help improve it, if I can where it is at, and hopefully it will be better for it when it does hit the mainspace.--Adam in MO Talk 13:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Aha! You now have both User:GiacomoReturned/The Private Rooms of the Winter Palace and User:Giano/The Private Rooms of the Winter Palace. This much I understand. But I'm now too sleepy to start to think how best to resolve this. I think the best thing is to decide at your leisure and only then to have one deleted. Good night! -- Hoary (talk) 13:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Giano, I understand your frustration at what happened, but calling me a troll and an idiot right out of the gate is not helpful. I have had no interactions with you in the past and I am not out to get anyone. I am just trying to make a better project here as I assume that you are doing as well. So please in the future lets try to work together and easy up on the personal attacks.--Adam in MO Talk 13:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I came to play civility police as well. (My truncheon was sadly lost in the userbox wars, now I have this wholly inadequate sausage.) I know not to get offended, but others not so much. Please be gentle. And (perhaps more importantly) if you have a tomato and some cheese, we have the start of something here. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 14:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- This experienced user knew exactly what he was doing - he was trolling. Who else, but a troll or a newbie, would go into userspace and remove a notice at the top of a page saying "This is an unfinished wikipedia article" [1]. Then look at the page and see it is littered with memos to me and unfinished sections - rooms referred to on a plan which have yet to be written up - and a whole section entitled "memos" which is full of didorganised clear aides de memoir and notes etc. I like to work in a chaotic mess and tat page is clearly a chaotic mess. It was obviously a draft and still is. Yet he put it into mainspace not once, but twice, both times having already seen a talk page discussion where I say the page is not yet ready for mainspace [2]. From a longterm experienced editor, that is clear trolling. So do not come here talking of civility. Giacomo Returned 14:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I really wanted to talk about sausage. I'm sure I've heard "never attribute to malice what is better explained by ignorance" or something like that? I'm neither a newb nor a troll, and I do things all the time that look inexplicably idiotic to onlookers. And, really User:Adamfinmo isn't new? He's got like a thousand edits. He doesn't appear to do much deep-content work. You have socks older than him. He has a box on his user page "This user enjoys cleaning up vandalism." You two are in totally different worlds. Your drafts are many times better than the articles he normally sees. He made a mistake. But for the love of all that's holey, just accept his apology and move on.
- But, more the pity, I'm going to go to bed. I am sorry that your work was interrupted, as there can be no argument that your articles are an incredible asset. Thanks for continuing to do the work that is the reason for this place's existence.
Aaron Brenneman (talk) 15:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)- You do not make the same mistake twice and then tell me that I do not own a clearly unfinished article in my user space, which even on my talk page I say is not ready for mainspace. My views were quite clear and this was clear trolling. I have not noticed an apology only threats of sanctions from him. Sleep well. Giacomo Returned 15:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I was not trolling. I was trying to help out. It appears that I was mistaken. The second time I was baiting but I never intended to troll. I will not edit in any of your namespaces and you will not hear from me on this matter anymore. I was wrong.--Adam in MO Talk 21:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed you were. Baiting is a always a very risky sport if you fail to gauge the size of your prey. Giacomo Returned 21:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- How about some contrition on your end? I admitted my mistakes.--Adam in MO Talk 22:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed you were. Baiting is a always a very risky sport if you fail to gauge the size of your prey. Giacomo Returned 21:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I will do so. Enjoy being a jackass with your crew. By the way,this is a better link for your thoughts page. Chears Jerk.--Adam in MO Talk 22:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps some context would be appropriate here, Adamfinmo. To my recollection, this is the fourth time that someone has taken a page in Giacomo's userspace and tossed into mainspace without consulting him. The first two times it was done by two different sockpuppeters, and was done deliberately to annoy and irritate Giacomo. The third time, it was done by an editor who....well, let's say he suddenly decided that, having never read or written a word about architecture, he was extremely well qualified to improve articles on the topic; this was after he had suddenly taken an interest in Giacomo's work for reasons that had nothing to do with his userspace. And then...you come along and do it not once, but twice. Given that historically whenever someone has moved a page out of Giacomo's userspace, it has been for inappropriate reasons, there's grounds for him to wonder if it isn't happening again when another unknown editor suddenly shows up and, without even so much as a "how do you do?" does the same thing. Now, I'm not a big fan of the "troll" word, regardless of who's saying it and how good of reason they have to do so. But I'm also not a big fan of people poking around other people's userspace looking for "cool" articles, when we have roughly 3.5 million articles in mainspace crying out for attention. Just some food for thought. Risker (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- Adam made a mistake the first time and admitted that he was baiting the second time. I consider it to be tantamount to theft to take an article from another editor's talk page without their permission, and to do it twice is inexcusable. I think that Adam needs to learn that lesson. Malleus Fatuorum 23:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
How about if someone move-protects Giano's drafts, and lifts the protection only when they are ready for the mainspace. This would prevent premature moves, whether well-intentioned, trollish, or otherwise. The quid pro quo, of course, would be that we'd expect Giano to keep writing for mainspace. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- How about you tell Adam that pinching stuff from another editor's userspace is unacceptable? Malleus Fatuorum 02:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I have move protected User:Giano/The Private Rooms of the Winter Palace for 3 weeks. Let me know when you need it unlocked. Do you want anything done with User:GiacomoReturned/The Private Rooms of the Winter Palace, now a redirect? And have you considered declaring your page out of bounds to Adamfinmo? WP:ANI would uphold that like a shot. Bishonen | talk 06:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC).
- Thank you all. Writing a category always was so going to have its problems - the page will be finished just as soon as I can find a format that I'm happy with - plus some more reliable references. In the meantime, I shall jusy keep plodding on with it - it will never be the project's most interesting page, but it does need more cohesion, continuity and information before it can be even be considered to be approaching completion. Incidentally, Malleus, you are 100% correct - it's funny how we all have different views on gross incivility, bad manners and what is acceptable bahaviour. Giacomo Returned 09:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
He's a sandbox thief. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Good old Wikipedia, a wikiword for every abuse! Bishonen | talk 22:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC).
- To be fair, the essay does not technically apply because it was a proper move, not a copy and paste maneuver. But the term fits, and we could consider extending the essay to discuss this more subtle variant as well. Hans Adler 05:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Contradicting little 'shonen? That's enough of that! [Darwinbish bites Hans Adler shrewdly on the ass. ] And don't be fair! darwinbish BITE 08:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC).
- wow. I remember that essay author and the ani that got him wikishot. Uncontroversial Obscurity 09:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't remember him or anything about him. Can we have a link to the ANI thread please to jog my memory. Giacomo Returned 12:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, here. teh sanbox thief was MfD'd, too, and lived; Wikipedia:Civility police was 'essayshot'. And there was BLP Nazi first, now: Wikipedia:BLP zealot. You're being trolled, G. — CC should have been indefed, back then. Don't know Adam from Adam, though, but this all quacks. Uncontroversial Obscurity 02:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't remember him or anything about him. Can we have a link to the ANI thread please to jog my memory. Giacomo Returned 12:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. There's little on Wikipedia these days that does not "quack" or "bark." Giacomo Returned 06:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- yup; epic project failure. The WMF values levels of wikt:participation, not levels of quality. 90% of the articles are crap. Much like the wikt:participants.. Uncontroversial Obscurity 06:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Your talk page comment
Hiya ;-) Been out of town for a family wedding.
Regarding your question/comment. I have no memory of the discussion since it happened years ago. And can find no correspondence from anyone but I assume that either you or Cary Bass would have told me. I talked to both of you pretty regularly back then in gmail chat. Take care, FloNight♥♥♥♥ 21:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hiya too! not to worry, they are all pretty discredited now and all their blocks with them. However, I do need an arb to contact me on another matter though - Amazing isn't it, when one requires one, they are all AWOL; make an incivil comment and one has them like exhaust blowing, red double-decker buses in a traffic jam in Piccadilly, but there is a rather worrying former editor on the loose - shall I deal it myself? Giacomo Returned 21:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Giacomo - I edited your page User:GiacomoReturned/Enquiry_into_the_Rlevse_Affair just to add a year value (2010) to the timestamps of the diffs you had collected, as it was hard to put into context otherwise. If that edit bothers you for any reason feel free to revert. Regards Manning (talk) 02:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not at all Manning. These says my user space and archives seem to be more edited by others then the project itself. I'd actually forgotten to put that on my watchlist, so it will be interesting to take a renewed look at it. Giacomo Returned 06:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- Interesting it was indeed. It's as mind blowingly horible now as it was then. What a cover up that was, and we don't need someone on WR to publish the Arbcom files to prove it, limted powers of deduction will suffice. Giacomo Returned 21:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC) Giacomo Returned 21:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not at all Manning. These says my user space and archives seem to be more edited by others then the project itself. I'd actually forgotten to put that on my watchlist, so it will be interesting to take a renewed look at it. Giacomo Returned 06:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Have you visited it? Kittybrewster ☎ 01:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, as a child, and Herenchiemsee and Linderhof. I've a few books on Ludwig's schlösser and Bayerische Barock, but they are all in German, and my German is more than a little rusty. Why, are you going on a yodelling holiday? Giacomo Returned 20:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- No; I can't yodel. I noticed your comment on the talk page. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, as a child, and Herenchiemsee and Linderhof. I've a few books on Ludwig's schlösser and Bayerische Barock, but they are all in German, and my German is more than a little rusty. Why, are you going on a yodelling holiday? Giacomo Returned 20:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Exploding houses
Aha, there you are! So, in the 1944 Town and Country Planning Act section, is it "Balbardie" or "Balbarbie" House? See file name. I realise that's another thing everybody in the world knows except me! Oh, and the grading of the listed buildings, in the same section: I suppose it's Grade I, II, and III? And not Grade II for both "buildings of special interest" and "buildings of more than special interest"? Please look at it, you'll see what I mean. Bishonen | talk 21:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC).
- While we wait for His Excellency to provide a definitive answer, I can share a little of what I have gleaned. It was Grade I, II, and III in England and Wales, but Grade III was abolished in 1970 (and was non-statutory anyway), and Grade II was split into Grade II* and Grade II, giving the current system of "special interest (II)", "more than special interest (II*)", and "exceptional interest (I)". Of course non-secular buildings used a different scheme as did all buildings in Northern Ireland and Scotland. You could wade through the article Listed building for more excruciating detail. As for "Balbardie" vs "Balbarbie", there are several Balbardies in West Lothian (Primary School, Archery Club, Hotel, Golf Club, etc.) but no Balbarbie except for the Wikipedia picture (which I would be tempted to rename but I don't have the filemover permission). The article Balbardie House needs similar copyedits. --RexxS (talk) 17:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
- Ouch! I totally vandalised the grading, then! Thanks very much, Rex. I've moved the file and re-pointed the articles to it. Why aren't you an admin, again? Deplorable laziness, like Giacomo? Bishonen | talk 22:30, 3 August 2011 (UTC).
- ... And I've copyedited the article Balbardie House to rectify the typos there. I'll look over the exploding houses soon. Adminship? - I'm a content editor (yes, I know 1 FA, 1 FL, and 2 GAs isn't much in this august company, but I try). I couldn't even convince myself I need the tools, so I'd have no chance of convincing the peanut gallery at RfA! --RexxS (talk) 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
- I see. (Laziness it is.) Rex, if you do look over the exploding, could you have a go at formatting the notes and references, consistently italicising book titles and such? I've left that to last, because there are some of those nasty templates that get up my nose. (Do they have a purpose, beyond that of preventing newbs and me from adding references?) Bishonen | talk 12:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC).
- I'm so sorry, but darlingest Giacomo can't help you as he is sunning himself elsewhere; I am briefly in a near deserted London "en passant" to see my dearest friend Jo Hansford, I can't survive two weeks without her. Funnily enough, seated there between darling Camilla (also en passant) and Jimbo (seemingly resident) this afternoon we were discussing dearest Wikipedia, Camilla thinks that I should re-write her Wikipedia biography on account of my very impartial views on the royal family and Jimbo (or should I say Sir James? - as we only half-teesingly called him) was in complete agreement. I must say, I am surprised to see you all beavering away here in August - do none of you have summer homes to go to? What a sad world it is. Never mind, September and the fall will soon be upon us and a normal service can be resumed - Giacomo will return to you fully invigorated and restored to full energy - Oh happy days. Much love to you all Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- No worries, dear Lady Catherine, Giacomo can safely continue to fry in the sun. Rex has cleared up the needless alarms I detailed above, and they can be freely ignored, while I go on to develop the class-war aspects of the article. Bishonen | talk 00:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC).
- Well, templates are supposed to help folks format refs in a consistent way, and admins are supposed to have some sort of need for the tools – but that's all too difficult for my old dino-brain to get to grips with. Anyway, I've done a little cleaning at Destruction of country houses in 20th-century Britain: a couple of typos, a few duplicate refs, and I've tried to make titles italic by using the appropriate templates where needed. You might want to cast your eye over it to spot my mistakes; and have a think about whether the listed building grade scheme belongs best in the section on the 1944 Town and Country Planning Act or in the section on the 1947 Town and Country Planning Act. My own preference would be for the latter, as I believe that was when the details were expounded. I'll have another look tomorrow anyway. --RexxS (talk) 17:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- No worries, dear Lady Catherine, Giacomo can safely continue to fry in the sun. Rex has cleared up the needless alarms I detailed above, and they can be freely ignored, while I go on to develop the class-war aspects of the article. Bishonen | talk 00:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC).
- ... And I've copyedited the article Balbardie House to rectify the typos there. I'll look over the exploding houses soon. Adminship? - I'm a content editor (yes, I know 1 FA, 1 FL, and 2 GAs isn't much in this august company, but I try). I couldn't even convince myself I need the tools, so I'd have no chance of convincing the peanut gallery at RfA! --RexxS (talk) 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
- Ouch! I totally vandalised the grading, then! Thanks very much, Rex. I've moved the file and re-pointed the articles to it. Why aren't you an admin, again? Deplorable laziness, like Giacomo? Bishonen | talk 22:30, 3 August 2011 (UTC).
Say Giano, are you familiar with architecture of Shanghai at all? I know it is several thousand km east of what you're normally editing but I was trying to reactivate the China collaboration and discovered the architecture section was unsourced. I thought I could go fumbling round google books or online somewhere or other, but figured I'd ask someone who might have some idea first...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think dearest Giacomo knows a great deal deal about architecture of Shanghai my dear. I wish I could help you, but my studies of Shaghai's architecture was confined to ceilings - and "cheers" to you too. Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Weird email
Like most of you I have had an odd email concerning "You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum." While I am sure that is joyous news indeed, can someone tell me how I should be voting and if it concerns me? I can't imagine why I should want to hide an image from my gaze, after a couple of very dry martinis even the Wiki Chicks have a certain allure; so what is this all about? Simple languagae please and not links to dull debates. Giacomo Returned 18:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
- The filter is designed to hide images that are sexual, violent, gory, etc. from the eyes of children and ultra conservative followers of a religion. It sounds good on paper but I am not sure if it will play out well it it is implemented. --Guerillero | My Talk 18:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
And to hide nasty pictures from us wikichicks. Poor Giacomo, I see the mental abilities have caught up with him. Well, I just explained how to vote (if desired) in words of one syllable to my mother, so I can't get more bored than I already am. Here you go:
- Make sure you're logged in on enwiki. As.. whoever, but you can only vote once.
- Type (or, better, copypaste) Special:SecurePoll/vote/230 in the search field. Press Enter.
- This will take you to a page with a large button with the legend "Go to the voting server". Click it.
- You are now on the voting page. You may need to scroll down some to see the voting table. Use the radio buttons to vote.
- Then scroll to the foot of the page and click "Submit vote".
And there we are. I hope that didn't give you a headache, dear. Bishonen | talk 20:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC).
- Thank you, but it did give me a headache; it all sounds far too stresful and complicated - besides which I quite like to see the odd bottom or boob to liven the up the end of a busy day, so long as they are attached to something attractive and "chick-like". I think my religion probably invented dodgy artform anyway; so I am absolved from looking at these things. Giacomo Returned 08:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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- Am I surrounded by idiots? it is perfectly obvious that it's an edited version of this File:Goat.jpg. Can some intelligent sould sort it for me, i am rather pre-occupied at the moment. Giacomo Returned 10:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Are you surrounded by idiots? That would depend where you are posting from; if you are using a terminal at a museum or library then the chances are "no", and if you are posting from one of those wi-fi enabled fast food concessions then undoubtedly "yes". If you are posting from the bosom of your family, I shall have to admit to ignorance in the matter. I trust this helps... LessHeard vanU (talk) 10:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Am I surrounded by idiots? it is perfectly obvious that it's an edited version of this File:Goat.jpg. Can some intelligent sould sort it for me, i am rather pre-occupied at the moment. Giacomo Returned 10:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Events from 2 years ago
Hey Giano, you probably remember the events of two years ago. It is rearing its ugly head again, if you wouldn't mind taking a look for me and give me some advice. I can give you a few links to peruse, but they are basically in my recent contribus (mainly at WP:AE and on User_talk:EdJohnston. --Russavia Let's dialogue 14:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)