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::Otherwise, the Signpost's readership and writership will dwindle, likely with several people boycotting the publication out of principle, and refusing to be associated with it. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 03:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC) |
::Otherwise, the Signpost's readership and writership will dwindle, likely with several people boycotting the publication out of principle, and refusing to be associated with it. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 03:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I'll admit my part in getting it wrong with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom&diff=885448596&oldid=885448561 this comment]. But when I was referring to "solution", I meant more generally, as in what we should be doing differently in the future; i.e. this section is ''meant'' to be discussing the {{tq|root causes}} and {{tq|what ''The Signpost'' will do on a go-forward basis to prevent these things}}. I agree that burying heads in sand isn't helpful – that also applies to those readers who would boycott the publication. This is after all a wiki where if you don't like the way things are, you can (try to) change them through discussions/proposals. - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 08:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC) |
:::Well, I'll admit my part in getting it wrong with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom&diff=885448596&oldid=885448561 this comment]. But when I was referring to "solution", I meant more generally, as in what we should be doing differently in the future; i.e. this section is ''meant'' to be discussing the {{tq|root causes}} and {{tq|what ''The Signpost'' will do on a go-forward basis to prevent these things}}. I agree that burying heads in sand isn't helpful – that also applies to those readers who would boycott the publication. This is after all a wiki where if you don't like the way things are, you can (try to) change them through discussions/proposals. - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 08:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::{{replyto|Headbomb}} I don't think that piece was the unambiguous attack that you imagine. Your demands for nonsensical denouncements with the looming threat of lost readers only indicates to me that your minority opinion has left you dis-attached from objective reality. I hope that you follow-through on your rant and become disassociated with ''The Signpost'' and perhaps WIkipedia, as a whole. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 10:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC) |
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When I click on the humour article link, it takes me to what I thought was a draft page for the next issue of the Signpost. I actually can't find the humour article that was part of our most recent issue of the Signpost. Best Regards, Barbara ✐✉ 13:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Barbara (WVS): The most recently published articles are linked to from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. For humour, it is Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-01-31/Humour. - Evad37 [talk] 13:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Subscriptions to inactive users with Template:Not around added to their talk pages
Does the subscription service take into account Template:Not around? Perhaps these inactive users should not necessarily have their subscriptions cancelled, but if the subscription bot/service sees {{Not around}} it should skip them until that template is removed. -- Ϫ 08:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- @OlEnglish: The signpost is delivered with the mass message extension, which excludes people who opt-in to a specific category (Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery). I think that the only way to skip people who are not around would be to have the template automatically opt users into that category, but I'm not sure that's wise. Just my 2 cents. --DannyS712 (talk) 08:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Deletion debate concerning a Signpost article
A published Signpost article which concerns personal pronouns has been put up for deletion with over 40 !votes already. To my knowledge this is the first time this has been seriously proposed in the history of The Signpost. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- I recommend doing what most editors would do in this situation: retract the article, blank the page, mark it as historical, with an apology for having published it in the first place. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- I second this. This article is an embarrassment to the project. Bradv🍁 05:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- You already said that at the other place. Let 's keep discussion there OK? This was intended to notify people unaware of the proposed action, not to open a second venue. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'm just suggesting that if you retract and blank the article the deletion won't be necessary. Bradv🍁 06:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes I said it in many places, because this is the first time I hear the editorial staff reply to the idea, rather than cast aspersions, bully, or intimidate its critics. That the reply about a retraction still dodges the problem is discouraging. If the community is forced to delete the article because the Signpost refuses to take responsability for it and make amends for the hurt it caused, that would be a sad, sad outcome indeed. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is a shocking and monumental failure by the Signpost editorial staff, Bri. Either you withdraw this trash and apologize, or I will be sure that the community will debate more serious consequences for the editorial staff. This is a debacle. Deal with it now. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Now you've really done it. You got Cullen of all people to blow up (on multiple pages)? This is really really bad. — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 13:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is a shocking and monumental failure by the Signpost editorial staff, Bri. Either you withdraw this trash and apologize, or I will be sure that the community will debate more serious consequences for the editorial staff. This is a debacle. Deal with it now. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes I said it in many places, because this is the first time I hear the editorial staff reply to the idea, rather than cast aspersions, bully, or intimidate its critics. That the reply about a retraction still dodges the problem is discouraging. If the community is forced to delete the article because the Signpost refuses to take responsability for it and make amends for the hurt it caused, that would be a sad, sad outcome indeed. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'm just suggesting that if you retract and blank the article the deletion won't be necessary. Bradv🍁 06:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- You already said that at the other place. Let 's keep discussion there OK? This was intended to notify people unaware of the proposed action, not to open a second venue. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- I second this. This article is an embarrassment to the project. Bradv🍁 05:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Bri, at the cost of sounding rude, I may gently suggest that it might be time to seriously introspect into whether you and Kudpung are guys are the perfect fit for editorial duties of The Signpost.
- Or I guess, there needs to be a discussion to prevent this monthly theater. ∯WBGconverse 11:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- The E-in-C position is open to anybody who wants it. I've only ever referred to myself as de facto or acting E-in-C. In fact if you haven't heard we've been advertising for help for a while now. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- And that kinda gets to the point of it: it's easy to cry that one's offended and therefore demand apologies and resignations but when volunteers provide a service gratis, there's a lack of recognition that the customers who paid nothing can take their eyeballs elsewhere. The Signpost has, even recently, posted content that I didn't like. I did what any reader should do: I left a comment on the talk page about my disapproval. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- The E-in-C position is open to anybody who wants it. I've only ever referred to myself as de facto or acting E-in-C. In fact if you haven't heard we've been advertising for help for a while now. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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Political correctness is gone too far. It's making me want to engage in an involuntary personal protein spill. GoodDay (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
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This isn't normal (reflection/brainstorming ideas)
Premise: The current situation is not normal (or should not be). There shouldn't be drama blowing up following the publication of each issue. We shouldn't get dozens of readers telling something shouldn't have been published, or shouldn't have been covered in that way, every month.
I think it is time to reflect on the current structure and process, and whether they are serving us well. Some brainstorming ideas / points for discussion (not in any particular order, just stuff that's been going through my head)
- It would be good to have more eyes on draft articles pre-publication. Maybe set up a mass-message list? – assuming that people would actually want to help out per WP:SOFIXIT
- Should the community have some way to halt publication of a piece if there are multiple strong objections? – maybe somewhat along the lines of how voluntary admin recall works
- Should the EIC(s) be subject to recall, or have time-limited terms? Should the position(s) be filled by voting/election? – rather than whoever has the job gets to keep it until they decide to give it up
- How can we ensure that controversial subjects / minority viewpoints can still be appropriately covered? – that there isn't too much of a chilling effect preventing good-faith attempts to discuss difficult topics
- Would it help to have a larger editorial board be in charge of approving articles, rather than just one person or two people? How many people? How difficult would it be to actually fill such a board?
That's what I've got to start off this discussion, feel free to raise more ideas or points for discussion below - Evad37 [talk] 07:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- Evad, I think something needs to change for sure. That thing is not really the structure or having more eyes on drafts. I showed up hear, made my comments on the humor article, and then felt they were dismissed. That should not be the case. We shouldn't have done that. What we need is to change the culture of participation around here. I felt like I was made to choose between the Signpost and my objections on the humor article. However, there should be nothing wrong with editors giving feedback on articles ever. That really needs to stop. If I can't express my thoughts on a submission, then why should I even bother participating. Also, I have added myself as outreach manager now. ―MattLongCT -Talk-☖ 20:04, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- (+1) to what MattLongCT says. MattLongCT and Headbomb criticized the piece aprior to publication but were inappropriately shut down by a single sysop (who has since then evaded all responsibility for this saga) using an array of ridiculous arguments.
- This has become a pattern of the Signpost under the Bri/Kudpung era. Anybody who criticizes the writeup(s) are branded as trolls who hates Kudpung/Signpost/Wikipedia/whatever and these dramatic episodes keep on happening without them learning anything from the sagas. Even more, you can be reverse-targeted of intentionally harassing these people and subjected to wild threats (vide Kudpung's warnings on Headbomb's t/p, Kudpung's outright chilling threats to sink a steward reconfirmation over Ajraddatz's t/p et al).
- The first step towards the change will be to snap any links between The Signpost and the aforementioned two, who have taken charge of the publication. None seems any willing to accept any criticism and this is fundamentally contrary to the wiki-way. ∯WBGconverse 08:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- The only pattern I see, Winged Blades of Godric, is that you have a propensity to frequent drama and drama boards, pontificating everywhere as if you were an admin, and making a lot of comments around Wikipedia that are borderline PA, taking things wildly out of context to satisfy your need for saga, and stalking my edits (diffs available) - and it's been noticed. That is what is fundamentally contrary to the wiki-way, so don't mention the word 'harrass' too casually. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't much care about the patterns you see and at any case, I won't reply to some unsubstantiated aspersions which are not any related to the substance of the thread. FWIW, it's the third time that you accuse me of stalking you and I will repeat for the third time that (as someone who is an admin) you ought to know where the recourse lies. ∯WBGconverse 10:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- The only pattern I see, Winged Blades of Godric, is that you have a propensity to frequent drama and drama boards, pontificating everywhere as if you were an admin, and making a lot of comments around Wikipedia that are borderline PA, taking things wildly out of context to satisfy your need for saga, and stalking my edits (diffs available) - and it's been noticed. That is what is fundamentally contrary to the wiki-way, so don't mention the word 'harrass' too casually. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I have to say, the response to the concerns raised by MattLongCT and Headbomb was highly unconstructive and frankly anti-collegiate. It does not make editors feel welcome at the Signpost, rather the opposite. DuncanHill (talk) 14:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- DuncanHill, would you mind elaborating a bit on that point? ―MattLongCT -Talk-☖ 15:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Wait, I thought you were saying the concerns were highly unconstructive. My bad. ―MattLongCT -Talk-☖ 15:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- The concerns were constructive, the response was not. DuncanHill (talk) 15:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I would advise the editors to take these concerns seriously and work towards creating some sort of accountability to the community which you represent. It is inappropriate for self-appointed editors to deem themselves exempt from scrutiny because of editorial independence and nobody else being willing to do the job. If you want to be treated as newspaper editors and exercise editorial discretion, then you need to make sure that your actions are acceptable to your publisher. I think we would all rather see a self-policing system than have articles taken to MfD or editors topic-banned from the publication (hasn't happened yet, but it could).
- Pre-publication community review brings the risk of vocal groups of editors shutting down perfectly reasonable articles that they disagree with. To prevent this, you could come up with a community-approved set of guidelines so that the review process would be based on policy instead of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. This would also give others the opportunity to help with things like basic fact-checking.
- A community approval process for editor positions would certainly help with accountability. At the very least, the ability for the community to remove individuals from the position would be essential.
- To address a point that has been raised several times: A bad Signpost is worse than no Signpost at all. –dlthewave ☎ 17:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is like NGOs complaining to the WMF about its coverage, opining that a bad Wikipedia is worse than no Wikipedia, at all. If there's consensus against Bri as EiC, take it to WP:AN. Otherwise, be prepared to accept the sort of product provided by volunteers. You get what you paid for. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- While I do not contribute to The Signpost anymore, I will happily look over pieces before publication as Evad37 suggests. Further, I would be on an editorial board if people need spots to be filled, as I think I have a relatively good sense of what should and shouldn't be published. I don't really think anybody on The Signpost's staff is at fault for the humour section of last issue, but feel the concerns raised by various editors before publication should have been listened to. assume good faith even if it kills you. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I took some time to think about it, and I greatly support setting up some additional structure. Things like voting EICs in and out (although time limiting terms would probably not be a great idea), instituting clear official policies, and expanding an editorial board would help a lot. I also think we could do with a voting system to decide between multiple submissions for a column. However, I think it's going to be difficult to institute significant changes with so few contributors. In fact, I think quite a few of our problems are due to having so few people on the team. Correct me if I'm way off, but I think I only ever see about 10 people helping with each issue of the Signpost. The whole debacle with the humor piece kind of distracted from the fact that the rest of the issue was falling apart at the seams. How many times have we had to cut segments, not because there was no content to write, but because there was nobody to write it? We should definitely refine our process and make it more efficient, but we should also see if we can get more contributors on board since we're spread pretty thin right now. These problems go hand in hand. Let me know if I need to clarify anything; I'm being constantly interrupted as I type this so my phrasing is bound to be a bit rough. ♦AcoriSage 20:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Acorri: Your first three sentences are discredited by everything else you said. Everyone wants to fault the Signpost contributors but calling for more participation doesn't work when we have a hard time scraping up volunteers. You seem too confident offering advice when you, yourself, are a relatively new editor. Either you want to step up and replace those persons you fault (which you're not, in my opinion, qualified to do) or you need to just keeping rowing on your small task on the team and leave it to more-informed editors to fix the issue. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman and Acorri: With all due respect, I feel there is a certainly something missing here. Chris, who do you consider to be a signpost contributor? Like, get a list out beyond those listed here. Who has contributed any amount to the Singpost but is not listed there? That might be a good place to start... or maybe not. Up to you! :) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 20:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL: I don't understand; please explain. (Also, I don't think there's any problem that needs to be solved, hence I don't offer a solution.) Chris Troutman (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Chris troutman, my apologies. On the note of retention and recruitment, do we have a list of Wikipedians who have contributed to the last few issues? My thoughts are maybe that we could reach out to them to get them on the team more formally. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL: I don't understand; please explain. (Also, I don't think there's any problem that needs to be solved, hence I don't offer a solution.) Chris Troutman (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman and Acorri: With all due respect, I feel there is a certainly something missing here. Chris, who do you consider to be a signpost contributor? Like, get a list out beyond those listed here. Who has contributed any amount to the Singpost but is not listed there? That might be a good place to start... or maybe not. Up to you! :) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 20:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Acorri: Your first three sentences are discredited by everything else you said. Everyone wants to fault the Signpost contributors but calling for more participation doesn't work when we have a hard time scraping up volunteers. You seem too confident offering advice when you, yourself, are a relatively new editor. Either you want to step up and replace those persons you fault (which you're not, in my opinion, qualified to do) or you need to just keeping rowing on your small task on the team and leave it to more-informed editors to fix the issue. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Chris troutman: I'm not really trying to "fault" anyone. I just see that there are problems and I'm offering my thoughts to the discussion. I'm not trying to claim to have all the answers or overstep my knowledge. Clearly, I wouldn't be the right person to write policy, but I can see it needs to be done, and I would be ready and willing to help with the process in any way I can. Also, I didn't mean to downplay the difficulty of actually getting more people to help, although upon rereading my writing I can definitely see how it would come across that way. I was not so much trying to assert a solution as I was trying to bring up angle on the problem that hadn't been covered yet. I hope that makes sense, I know my phrasing is a bit discordant today. ♦AcoriSage 23:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I've been a reporter for small newspapers my entire adult life. Attacks by some readers and disagreement among some staffers happens at every single publication of any worth; you have to expect that some people will be pissed by some articles or else you're generating pablum. If you produce any kind of informative publication, then quarreling and outrage and cries of bias isn't a bug, it's a feature. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 23:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- DavidWBrooks, Considering the fact a good amount of Signpost editors disagreed with the humor article, and we did not have any recourse, would you say that is a legitimate concern? Also, I don't see your name listed as a contributing writer... would you consider writing for the "In the media" section? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 00:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think the piece was within legitimate boundaries for disagreement; in other words, publishing it was fine even if I don't agree with it. And while I appreciate the need, reporting for Signpost would be exactly like my job and as I'm sure you understand, when I'm not working I like to do something that's not like my job! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Dang, well it was worth a shot! Side note: I keep thinking about David Brooks everytime I read your name. I am sure you get that often, though.–MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's why I put the "W" in my wikipedia name - not that it worked. If I was doing it over, I'd use my initials. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Dang, well it was worth a shot! Side note: I keep thinking about David Brooks everytime I read your name. I am sure you get that often, though.–MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think the piece was within legitimate boundaries for disagreement; in other words, publishing it was fine even if I don't agree with it. And while I appreciate the need, reporting for Signpost would be exactly like my job and as I'm sure you understand, when I'm not working I like to do something that's not like my job! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think the current situation is a bit more than "some people ... pissed by some articles". Controversy and passionate disagreements and arguments on a talk page is one thing, having a broad base of readers wanting something expunged from the record with drama spilling over into AN/ANI/Arbcom/elsewhere, is something else. I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there even is one, but surely there is something we can try besides take it to AN/Arbcom or accept things the way they are – hence this reflection/brainstorming section. - Evad37 [talk] 01:22, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- The solution is relatively simple, The Signpost must retract this piece, and apologize for it. Because as it stands, the community told The Signpost that publishing what is effectively an attack piece against a marginalized community is not acceptable, and The Signpost has yet to acklowledge that and its editors must self-introspect accordingly. Fucking up happens. People have blindspots. But burying one's head in the sand, or pretending the problem lies with the readership and hoping things die down isn't the way forward. But this is a good roadmap.
- Retract the article, clearly and unambiguously
- Admit the fuckups (and there are multiple ones here, from failures to hear warnings ahead of time, to actually publishing of the piece, to harrasment of Signpost readers), acknowledge their root causes, both human and procedural, as The Signpost sees them, as well as clashes with The Signpost's mission and responsability towards the community
- Apologize, unambiguously, resolve to do better in the future, with specific details on what The Signpost will do on a go-forward basis to prevent these things
- Otherwise, the Signpost's readership and writership will dwindle, likely with several people boycotting the publication out of principle, and refusing to be associated with it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- Well, I'll admit my part in getting it wrong with this comment. But when I was referring to "solution", I meant more generally, as in what we should be doing differently in the future; i.e. this section is meant to be discussing the
root causes
andwhat The Signpost will do on a go-forward basis to prevent these things
. I agree that burying heads in sand isn't helpful – that also applies to those readers who would boycott the publication. This is after all a wiki where if you don't like the way things are, you can (try to) change them through discussions/proposals. - Evad37 [talk] 08:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC) - @Headbomb: I don't think that piece was the unambiguous attack that you imagine. Your demands for nonsensical denouncements with the looming threat of lost readers only indicates to me that your minority opinion has left you dis-attached from objective reality. I hope that you follow-through on your rant and become disassociated with The Signpost and perhaps WIkipedia, as a whole. Chris Troutman (talk) 10:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- Well, I'll admit my part in getting it wrong with this comment. But when I was referring to "solution", I meant more generally, as in what we should be doing differently in the future; i.e. this section is meant to be discussing the
- The solution is relatively simple, The Signpost must retract this piece, and apologize for it. Because as it stands, the community told The Signpost that publishing what is effectively an attack piece against a marginalized community is not acceptable, and The Signpost has yet to acklowledge that and its editors must self-introspect accordingly. Fucking up happens. People have blindspots. But burying one's head in the sand, or pretending the problem lies with the readership and hoping things die down isn't the way forward. But this is a good roadmap.
Publishing script
Rather than posting on @Evad37's about this, I thought I should post here. Currently, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Resources#Publication says that the publishing script does not automate requesting a watchlist notification. It should be fairly easy to add that functionality - this script makes it really easy to add a new section to the current page, and I could configure it to allow use on any page. Should I? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'ld rather use the mw.Api module directly, as per the rest of the editing the script does, instead of requiring the loading of another script. It's not hard to specify appending a new section - Evad37 [talk] 00:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Evad37: that's what I meant - I can rewrite my script to always add to that specific page, and you can copy it. My suggestion wasn't the importation, but rather automating the request for a watchlist notification. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, does sound like a sensible idea. If you want to code something up I'll take a look. Feel free to make a sandbox copy of the publishing script and edit that, if you want to. - Evad37 [talk] 01:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Evad37: User:DannyS712 test/sps.js is a fork of the script, with the added step 14 of requesting the mass message. See the changes I made at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=User%3AEvad37%2FSPS.js&rev1=&page2=User%3ADannyS712+test%2Fsps.js&rev2=&action=&diffonly=&unhide=&diffmode=source. I ran it a couple of times in dry-run, and it seems to work fine --DannyS712 (talk) 02:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- If that works, I'll start working on the other on-wiki step that isn't automated (Cleanup the newsroom). That one should be pretty straight forward. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done I just made a couple of minor changes (specify the month name in the section title, fixing some of my mistakes in comments, etc) - Evad37 [talk] 05:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Evad37: Okay. After the next release, if everything works according to plan, I'll send you a version that automates the newsroom cleanup. Until then, you should probably remove me from the list of approved users - I don't have the rights, nor the community support --DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done I just made a couple of minor changes (specify the month name in the section title, fixing some of my mistakes in comments, etc) - Evad37 [talk] 05:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, does sound like a sensible idea. If you want to code something up I'll take a look. Feel free to make a sandbox copy of the publishing script and edit that, if you want to. - Evad37 [talk] 01:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Evad37: that's what I meant - I can rewrite my script to always add to that specific page, and you can copy it. My suggestion wasn't the importation, but rather automating the request for a watchlist notification. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'ld rather use the mw.Api module directly, as per the rest of the editing the script does, instead of requiring the loading of another script. It's not hard to specify appending a new section - Evad37 [talk] 00:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
William Shakespeare
William Shakespeare once wrote, "'Tis true, she rides me, and I long for grass," It's just a pity, that he didn't leave enough open source material to base a humour section on. ~ R.T.G 07:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)