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:::I think "stub" article should be expanded, you should add word "stub" in front of "existing article". If expansion by just 1500 characters is allowed for any article, then 1500 characters can be added to articles like [[Jakarta]], [[Mumbai]]. That will not be so effective to increase coverage and expansion of Asia related topics. So only stubs should be improved. I am agree with you.--[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:#0000FF;">Human</span><span style="color:#808000 ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FF1493"><b><small><sup>TALK</sup></small></b></span>]] 01:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC) |
:::I think "stub" article should be expanded, you should add word "stub" in front of "existing article". If expansion by just 1500 characters is allowed for any article, then 1500 characters can be added to articles like [[Jakarta]], [[Mumbai]]. That will not be so effective to increase coverage and expansion of Asia related topics. So only stubs should be improved. I am agree with you.--[[User:Human3015|'''<span style="color:#0000FF;">Human</span><span style="color:#808000 ;">3015</span>''']][[User talk:Human3015|<span style="color:#FF1493"><b><small><sup>TALK</sup></small></b></span>]] 01:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC) |
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::::I recovered to the old rules and see if people have further thought above.--[[User:AddisWang|AddisWang]] ([[User talk:AddisWang|talk]]) 01:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC) |
::::I recovered to the old rules and see if people have further thought above.--[[User:AddisWang|AddisWang]] ([[User talk:AddisWang|talk]]) 01:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC) |
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How our edits be counted,like after creating article what should we have to do, where to report that we have created an article or you have automatically dedtective system or something like that. [[User:Nauriya|Nauriya]] <sup>[[User talk:Nauriya|Talk]]</sup> 10:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC) |
Revision as of 05:51, 1 November 2015
Criteria about region
Hi, can you please explain about the country or region criteria. I believe articles are there for most villages for communities like India and creating new articles may be difficult. So I believe it is for any entity in Asia excluding Hong Kong and Singapore? Ssriram mt (talk) 07:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Ssriram mt:, any article about Asian counts. Culture, politics, people, etc. I will talk with other organizers about situation of ENWP that hard to create new articles.--AddisWang (talk) 16:20, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- We had some discussion about this with the organizers, and given the complexity and geographic scope of the English Wikipedia, perhaps it would be fair to drop the geographical restrictions on the project in favor of writing about any country. However, if you're from a postcard-sending country (China, India, Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan or Thailand) and you decide to primarily write articles about your country, you won't receive a postcard
from that country. You can, however, receive postcards from the other six countries provided the criteria are met. --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)- Does this mean, if I'm from India and I create five articles about India which satisfy the criteria, I won't get any postcards? Fenopy (talk) 11:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- That is the idea, yes. If most of your articles are about your country, that defeats the purpose of the project. The reason for this is because the project is designed to encourage Wikipedians to contribute content on Asian countries other than their own, building understanding in the process. That understanding doesn't happen when you decide to write articles about your own country. (Note though that this isn't final, and the other organizers may differ in opinion from me on this.) --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Does this mean, if I'm from India and I create five articles about India which satisfy the criteria, I won't get any postcards? Fenopy (talk) 11:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- We had some discussion about this with the organizers, and given the complexity and geographic scope of the English Wikipedia, perhaps it would be fair to drop the geographical restrictions on the project in favor of writing about any country. However, if you're from a postcard-sending country (China, India, Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan or Thailand) and you decide to primarily write articles about your country, you won't receive a postcard
@Fenopy and Sky Harbor:Seems lots of confusion here. So if you write Indian articles on English Wikipedia, you don't really get more understanding of India since you already have, while many other English speakers can understand more through you effort. But if you write Indian articles on let's say Hindu Wikipedia. Most people speak Hindu know pretty well about India. So, if you write about India on English Wikipedia, you will get postcard (but not sent from India) as long as your article fulfill the standard.--AddisWang (talk) 00:21, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
New rule for WAM
Hi @Titodutta and SuperHamster:, above I found it could be hard to create a new article on EnWp than other Wikipedias. I want to propose a new rule for EnWp, that:
You can also expand an article. The original size of the article need to be less than 4000 Bytes. You need to expand this article to 5 times of it's original size, as well as at least 4000 Bytes and 300 English words for expansion
--AddisWang (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- @AddisWang: I like and agree with this idea. I think it's fair considering how many articles we already have; it'll definitely encourage participation. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:20, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
English-speaking Hong Kong and Singapore not included?
Why do English-speaking Hong Kong and Singapore are excluded? Philippines is also an English-speaking nation but included. --Jojit (talk) 05:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, Jojit. This is partially my fault, as I was explaining earlier this week to the other organizers that we should either get rid of all the country restrictions, or expand them to include Malaysia, Israel, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. I also stressed that the Philippines is an English-speaking country, although perhaps it was removed because it was felt that it wasn't an English-speaking territory (though we know it is). As I mentioned above, I think it's fair to remove geographical restrictions for the English Wikipedia, replacing it instead with restrictions on who gets postcards. --Sky Harbor (talk) 12:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Looks good, thanks Sky Harbor! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Can anyone please explain me what does it mean!
As it is mentioned there Wikipedians who create the most articles on each Wikipedia will be honored as "Wikipedia Asian Ambassadors". What does it mean by Each Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dksats (talk • contribs) 05:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Each Wikipedia should mean every language Wikipedia, the number of articles you will create on English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia and so on. --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Titodutta: That means anyone who can create the most no. of articles including any language will be the winner, right !! -- Deepak Satapathy (talk)
- @Dksats:Make a clear statement: Each language version of Wikipedia will have a "Wikipedia Asian Ambassador". So if you contribute most articles on English Wikipedia, you will be honored as "Wikipedia Asian Ambassador". In this case, each language version Wikipedia is working independently.--AddisWang (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Can We Start now?
Can we start creating new articles from now on
- @Dev271: We're officially counting edits made in the month of November. If you can't wait to get editing, you could make a draft of an article and work on it there, then move it into the mainspace when it's ready in November. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
An article should be for any South Asian countries culture or anything?
Can I write article for Pakistani culture including Sindhi culture traditions, geographical areas including villages, people even Can I write article for any south Asian country such as India?...Jogi 007 (talk) 06:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Rules seem confusing and contradicting
I'm a little bit confused with these rules:
- The new article must be created by you (i.e. not expanding stubs) between 0:00 UTC on November 1, 2015 and 23:59 UTC on November 30, 2015.
- You can also expand an existing article. The original size of the article needs to be less than 4000 Bytes. You need to expand this article to 5 times of it's original size, as well as at least 4000 Bytes and 300 English words for expansion. The edits during the event will be count only.
Do the statements above mean that we cannot expand stubs but we can expand non-stub articles? Also, the second rule states that the article to expand needs to be less than 4,000 bytes. That statement seems contradicting because according to the first rule, I cannot expand stubs and stubs are usually less than 4,000 bytes. --Jojit (talk) 07:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Jojit fb and Nannadeem:Sorry I forget to remove the "not expanding stubs". Does the updated rules make sense?--AddisWang (talk) 13:50, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- AdisWang thanks, to me its ok. However, I request to include topic "Educational" as well. Is there any time bar for sign-up as participant? Nannadeem (talk) 14:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Nannadeem:As I put "etc" on it, just to explain that anything about Asian countries does not means only geographical. No, you can sign up anytime but only your edit in November counts.--AddisWang (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- I think, preliminary task is almost clear. Thanks to all organizers. Nannadeem (talk) 17:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks AddisWang. It's clear to me too. Wishing all the best to organizers and participants and hoping that we all contribute valuable content to Wikipedia. :-) --Jojit (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Jojit fb and Nannadeem:Sorry I forget to remove the "not expanding stubs". Does the updated rules make sense?--AddisWang (talk) 13:50, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
We can put here Sanskrit Wikipedia also ?
Hi @Titodutta: ! We want to join this activity. But sa.wikipedia is not listed here. My kind request to you that, please allow us to contribute in this. Or please tell me what are the criteria for this activity. Thank you. NehalDaveND (talk) 07:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- The main page is on Meta at meta:Wikipedia Asian Month. Please discuss it on your village pump and then start a page similar to this En WP page. Let me know if you have any questions. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Titodutta: Udit Sharma has made a page in sa.wikipdia. see here. But there is a problem. We can't see the Sign up Button. Please put the button there. Thank you. NehalDaveND (talk) 10:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- That Clickable button is not working there. Check if you missed it anything while importing, you can a simple link too until it works. --Tito Dutta (talk) 11:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. Thank you for Guidance. NehalDaveND (talk) 11:31, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Titodutta: Udit Sharma has made a page in sa.wikipdia. see here. But there is a problem. We can't see the Sign up Button. Please put the button there. Thank you. NehalDaveND (talk) 10:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Titodutta: Last question is that, can organizer write articles and there articles will be counted ? NehalDaveND (talk) 11:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @NehalDaveND:, yeah, but should be checked by other organizers. So please invite some other Wikipedian to join you. If there is only one organizer in the end. We are likely to trust you that your articles is fulfill the standard, since we still can check the basic byte and words.--AddisWang (talk) 00:25, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
List of articles needing to be created?
I love the idea of this campaign, but I am curious, is there a list of articles needing to be created? It would be helpful to know where there are content gaps. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:46, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- I am still having trouble finding articles that need to be created. Would a project organizer be interested in starting a list of content gaps? People could add to the list, remove/strike entries as they start new articles, and it could even be liked from the main Wikipedia Asian Month page to encourage new contributions. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:18, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Another Believer:We changed the rule that expanding stub is also ok since English Wikipedia has huge amount of articles and hard to create one.--AddisWang (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Great. I guess I was just wondering if any Asia-related WikiProjects provided lists of missing articles. If not, no problem, just thought it might be good to provide participants with lists of articles they could consider creating (or expanding). ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- There are tons of missing articles. Check out these two lists, for example: List of members of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and List of members of the 11th National People's Congress. -Zanhe (talk) 02:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Perfect! Thank you. I would consider displaying even more articles/lists with redlinks for people to tackle, either here on the talk page or even on the main page itself. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:09, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- There are tons of missing articles. Check out these two lists, for example: List of members of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and List of members of the 11th National People's Congress. -Zanhe (talk) 02:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Great. I guess I was just wondering if any Asia-related WikiProjects provided lists of missing articles. If not, no problem, just thought it might be good to provide participants with lists of articles they could consider creating (or expanding). ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Another Believer:We changed the rule that expanding stub is also ok since English Wikipedia has huge amount of articles and hard to create one.--AddisWang (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
There are many lists lying around, here are some:
- Wikipedia:Requested articles/By country - under Asia
- Wikipedia:WikiProject China/Requested articles
- Wikipedia:WikiProject China/User requests
- User:Skysmith/Missing topics about History of China
- User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Buddhism
- User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Hinduism
- User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Islam
- User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Samurai-era Japan
_dk (talk) 04:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Fantastic. Thanks for sharing. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- I further propose and request to have a page one SK Official page for its URL and facebook page both in English and Urdu see this[1] & [2]. Nannadeem (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- All Asia related Wikiprojects have their own requested articles lists.--Catlemur (talk) 23:11, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Asian Contries?
As far as i understood is that, a user should create atleast five new articles according to the rules mention, related to Asian culture, politics etc. But the question that i want to know is that on which Asian country we have to create articles, will these countries be specified on November 1 or we can choose any country or countries in Asia to write an article on. Plus do we will be given a list of articles to create or it is solely depends on us to choose article or Asian country, suppose i am from Pakistan so can i create five articles on Pakistan? please answer because i have plans in my mind for this project. NauriyaTalk 20:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- For Asian countries here are numbers and names in this page List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Asia. Logically, it is deduced that articles can be written without limit of region, i.e. 5 different articles can be submitted on Lahore alone or whole territory of Pakistan, about its culture, historical or archaeological asset, politics etc. It is further understood that any user can write 5 different articles on 5 different countries in Asia. These explanations are subject to secondment from organizers. Nannadeem (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Misconfigured CentralNotice
There is currently a CentralNotice linking to this page that's running in all countries. The m:CentralNotice/Calendar says it's only supposed to be running in Asian countries. Could someone please fix this? --Yair rand (talk) 18:31, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Rule question
I'm confused with this rule: You can also expand an existing article. The original size of the article needs to be less than 4000 Bytes. You need to expand this article to 5 times of its original size, as well as at least 4000 Bytes and 300 English words for expansion. Only the edits made during the event will be counted.
- Do the number of words count in the references? Or only the words underneath headings count?
- No, but words counting are roughly
- The original size needs do be less than 4000 bytes. Can i expand a stub? If the stub was originally 1000 bytes, I'd have to expand it to 5000 bytes to satisfy the 5x the size and 4000 bytes?
- at least 4000 Bytes. So if the original size is 500 Bytes, 5 times still not enough
- I don't live in an Asian country. Can I still participate? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @MrLinkinPark333:No limit on this.--AddisWang (talk) 02:12, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- For #3, I don't think it matters where you live. I don't live in an Asian country either. -Zanhe (talk) 01:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @AddisWang: Regarding #2: If my math is right, I'd have to find an article between 1000-3999 Bytes from when I originally edited it? What if other users edit the article I'm working on. Would you only count my edits? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @MrLinkinPark333:, any article less than 4000 Bytes. Sorry I don't get why it's "1000-3999". Why below 1000 isn't ok? In think in most case if someone add a few Bytes, we can just ignore it. While if someone else also expand it. I guess we should only count your edits.--AddisWang (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- One thing you can keep in mind is, Wikipedia Asian Month is not a competition or something like DYK, has strict rule etc. The rule will be flexible as long as the article is good. Let's say you create a new article but only 3900 Bytes, we would still count this if it fulfill other standards.--AddisWang (talk) 02:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @AddisWang: Regarding #2: If my math is right, I'd have to find an article between 1000-3999 Bytes from when I originally edited it? What if other users edit the article I'm working on. Would you only count my edits? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- For #3, I don't think it matters where you live. I don't live in an Asian country either. -Zanhe (talk) 01:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Proposal I suggest we use the long established DYK rules instead: minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (about 300 English words), but excluding infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc. That takes away the ambiguity and prevents padding. There are tools that make the character count easy: User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js and Character count. -Zanhe (talk) 01:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Good idea, though I'm not familiar with DYK on EnWp. Let me get more consensus on this. @Titodutta, SuperHamster, and Sky Harbor:--AddisWang (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Good idea. --Tito Dutta (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm good with it too. Easy for anyone already familiar with DYK, and having tools to make judging easier is great. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Titodutta, SuperHamster, Sky Harbor, and Nannadeem: I updated the rule. Please take a look. BTW does it need to be five times? and does it need to be requirement of minimum bytes?--AddisWang (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Please also take a look on the discussion below. #Error in rules--AddisWang (talk) 01:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Proposal I suggest there should be numbering to sign-up for evaluation of total participants at a glance. Nannadeem (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
IPs
Why are IPs prohibited from participating and being actively removed from the participant list? I've noticed a fair amount of vandalism where IPs are registered existing or non-existing users, but there are thousands of editors who only edit through an IP and should not be barred from participating. They should be able to add their name to the participant list using their IP address. Mkdwtalk 12:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- The reason is, that it is hard to track the IP users.And even IP user is ok, most ip user signed up with a user name, or a non-exist user name. There is only one IP user actually use its ip address, as I remember--AddisWang (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Plenty of IPs have consistent static IPs. I think it would be a gracious gesture if we allow them participate. Others might have been dissuaded, especially experienced editors who use only IPs because they would have read all the criteria on the project page. Mkdwtalk 16:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Changed.--AddisWang (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- I see only one problem with IP participation, and that's how they can create articles if on the English Wikipedia anonymous users are not allowed to create new pages. --Sky Harbor (talk) 07:47, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Changed.--AddisWang (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Plenty of IPs have consistent static IPs. I think it would be a gracious gesture if we allow them participate. Others might have been dissuaded, especially experienced editors who use only IPs because they would have read all the criteria on the project page. Mkdwtalk 16:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Translations
How are translations counted, if no English language equivalent exists, does this count as a new article or do the expansion of existing article rules apply.--KTo288 (talk) 18:25, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- @KTo288:, if you translate some articles to English Wikipedia, you need either create an article or expand a stub to do so. --AddisWang (talk) 20:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Other wiki-project?
Can other wiki-projects partecipate, like Wikivoyage? With a formal engagment of it:voy I could spread the message within the Italian community. Furthermore, would be great if some Japanese speaker would help to bring out from the incubator the Japanese version of Wikivoyage. --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Andyrom75. We don't have enough time to prepare for other WIki project but it is very great if Wikivoyage could also has an Asian Month. All the resource and information that you need to make a local event page you can find it on meta. As long as you make similar rules as we have for Wikipedia Asian Month, I would very pleasant to send some postcards for participants. Also, it will be great if you would like to organize Asian Month on ItWp.--AddisWang (talk) 00:48, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your message. As per my experience on it:voy community, an official competition works much more better than an informal one. It would be for the next time. Unfortunately I'm not so much active on it:w as I am on it:voy, so I'm not able to push for it there. But thanks for proposing it. Cheers, --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:26, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
People question
I have been looking around for people to write on, and I have another question.
If this person is/was Asian but not born in Asia (e.g. U.S) would it still count? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- @MrLinkinPark333:Since it's topic about Asian countries, I would say people who born in Asian but get their success or famous outside Asia would count. But ethnic Asian born in outside Asian will not.--AddisWang (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Postcard question
When you people say "send postcards", do you mean sending real postcards to the user's address or emailing e-cards to the user? 61.3.104.198 (talk) 12:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Good Question. Nannadeem (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- We mean actual, physical postcards that we will send to you personally. That will be done in the months after the contest. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Error in rules
Hi, It is nice initiative. In current version, 3rd rule is wrongly stating WP:DYK criteria for existing stubs. According to DYK, existing stub should be expanded by 5 times of original size and not expansion by 1500 characters. According to criteria 1500 characters criteria is for brand new articles not for existing stubs. But if expansion by 1500 characters is allowed for purpose of this initiative then at least we can remove word DYK from rules. --Human3015TALK 00:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- I asked above in #Rule question since I also confused.I agree we can remove DYK at this time--AddisWang (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- @AddisWang: Thanks for correction but still I have question or want clarification. Now 3rd rule says "You can also expand an existing article. The minimum of 1,500 characters of expansion (about 300 English words)". 1500 characters means around 15-20 lines. If we add 15-20 lines to any article then it will get counted?--Human3015TALK 00:47, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Human3015:That is my orignal thought that I also asked above. I guess we need to put the stub can be expanded should less than 4k bytes. And also the 1500 Bytes does not include templates infobox etc.--AddisWang (talk) 00:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- I think "stub" article should be expanded, you should add word "stub" in front of "existing article". If expansion by just 1500 characters is allowed for any article, then 1500 characters can be added to articles like Jakarta, Mumbai. That will not be so effective to increase coverage and expansion of Asia related topics. So only stubs should be improved. I am agree with you.--Human3015TALK 01:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Edits acknowledgements
How our edits be counted,like after creating article what should we have to do, where to report that we have created an article or you have automatically dedtective system or something like that. Nauriya Talk 10:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)