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:If an admin does plenty of good work in areas of deletion, like CSD or PROD, the admin's barnstar is actually designed to be rewarded in those cases (I made it, so I should know ;-)). I got it awarded myself for that once even. If you want to honor someone for doing complex AFD closures, {{tl|The Barnstar of Diligence}} can be used as well imho. But I see no need for a BS awarded for deletion per se, deletion is not something special (in fact, we should try to avoid it wherever possible) but cleaning up and that's what the admins' job is after all. For the same reason we have no special "Block Barnstar" or "Protection Barnstar". Those are simply two more aspects of adminship and thus already covered by the existing BSs. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 10:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC) |
:If an admin does plenty of good work in areas of deletion, like CSD or PROD, the admin's barnstar is actually designed to be rewarded in those cases (I made it, so I should know ;-)). I got it awarded myself for that once even. If you want to honor someone for doing complex AFD closures, {{tl|The Barnstar of Diligence}} can be used as well imho. But I see no need for a BS awarded for deletion per se, deletion is not something special (in fact, we should try to avoid it wherever possible) but cleaning up and that's what the admins' job is after all. For the same reason we have no special "Block Barnstar" or "Protection Barnstar". Those are simply two more aspects of adminship and thus already covered by the existing BSs. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 10:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC) |
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Proposed Linguistic Barnstar
User:Rjanag would like to add the Linguistic barnstar to the topical barnstars. Submitting here for discussion. Is it needed? Is the design appropriate or desireable? Unschool 13:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The Linguistic Barnstar
The Linguistic Barnstar may be awarded to those who make outstanding contributions to linguistics- and language-related articles and templates.
Comments
- This design requires some changes since the text is not clear, but the Chinese word on the bottom right corner means 'characters', which is thebasic building block of Chinese words. I therefore think that this barnstar is fairly appropiate. Kayau (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- I suppose changing it to somehow make the text more legible couldn't hurt, but I see nothing wrong with the design as it currently stands. I like it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Nice enough desgin. I suggest placing borders around the letters, I'd do it myself only I don't have a high res picture. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think we're seeing a trend here. The text is simply difficult to read. I support having this barnstar, but it needs to be clear what is on it. Kingpin's idea sounds like a major improvement, if someone is able to do it. (I sure can't—on the Graphics Capabilities Continuum, User:Rectilinium is at one end, and I'm at the opposite end.) Unschool 14:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- It's a nice idea, but it's not yet ready for prime time due to poor graphic design. —Eustress talk 14:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Aw, come on guys, let's get serious here. Not everybody is a great graphic designer, and I don't think we should be rejecting a barnstar just because it doesn't look perfect. It looks pretty good, better than some, it clearly gets across what it is supposed to represent, and it is a topic we don't have a barnstar for yet. If someone later wants to sweep in and put borders around the letters to make them more distinct, that would be great, but in the meantime I don't think we should reject it just because the design isn't perfect. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Nutiketaiel. I'm sure this was a lot of work, and it looks pretty good. The characters could be made more visible, but let's get the barnstar out there and worry about the minor cosmetic issues later. --JBC3 (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. All I can see is a regular Barnstar with some marks. I looked at this several times before I realized that the Latin alphabet "Aa" was in the middle, and that's the easiest part to read. And it looks like there's some kind of tail on the lower case, but I can't be sure if that's part of the character or just left over from the barnstar's shadow. I think it's worth correcting first. Unschool 21:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't design this image, I just found it on Commons (thanks to Ling.Nut) and took advantage of it. I did leave comments at the commons talk page (commons:File talk:Linguistic Barnstar.png) with suggestions on how to improve it content-wise, and it looks like many of you have said the same thing. As for graphics/quality, I'm sure we can send it to GL/I after the content issues are decided on. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- I object. Making them white makes some parts blend in the background. And making the barnstar lighter makes the star shape less visible. I support the borders. Kayau (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, borders seem to be the most viable choice. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- No one in this discussion seems to have thought of it, but it would significantly more aesthetically pleasing if the characters were just rotated 36° (i.e., into the whitespaces). There is no reason to assume the characters need to be superimposed over the barnstar, from a low-res (with colours) graphic design standpoint it's a bit of a nightmare—there is no way to make it really work that way. The characters would have perfect contrast and balance if they were just put into the whitespace (plus the one character needs to be made bolder for consistency with the rest). Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 02:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- PS Plus then there would be no issue with that Japanese character, which is supposed to appear to have a "cross-bar" on the top, but it's invisible due to the shading of the star.
- Hmph. Why didn't I think of that? Peace and Passion's idea sounds good to me. Anyone able to implement it? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, borders seem to be the most viable choice. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- I object. Making them white makes some parts blend in the background. And making the barnstar lighter makes the star shape less visible. I support the borders. Kayau (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Pay it forward barnstar and its template
Hi everybody, your opinion is highly needed!
I designed this award based on Pay it forward philosophy, My first idea was when a user receive this award she/he should give it back to five other Wikipedia users within five days. the five small barnstars are represent five other users. The Pay it forward barnstar was made to promote WikiLove, to make users more friendly with each other, same as all other Wikilove templates, and it fits Kindness Campaign.
But User:M thinks that "This is a bad idea", User:M believes "this causes more people to give barnstars", "Barnstars should not ask more from an editor. They are an award, not an invitation to a game" and "it uses the same mechanism as one of those "paste this to 10 people in 10 minutes or the ghost of christmas past will eat your brains!" messages".
After our discussions we (Me and User:M) decided to change the tepmlate's message to be more appropriate, so I proposed three new messages for the template:
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1. USERNAME has given you a Pay it forward barnstar! Pay it forward barnstar promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. When you receive a Pay it forward barnstar, you should give a barnstar to five other Wikipedians by adding {{subst:Pay it forward barnstar}} or any other barnstar to their talk page with a friendly message! |
To read our previous discussions please see: User_talk:M#Re:Pay_it_forward_barnstar and Template talk:Pay it forward barnstar
Now, your opinion is needed to decide that: Is this a good idea at all or no? if no why and if yes what should the message be (if it should be changed).
At last, I must say that I think, Barnstars are not just an award, they are for making an stronger and friendlier community, and this one is specially designed for this aim.
Regards. ■ MMXXtalk 04:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I am not in support of this idea. If we're not a social networking site, we sure shouldn't be in the business of starting chainstars. Besides, it makes me think of Douglas MacArthur, with whom I don't exactly associate with spreading of warm and fuzzy messages. Unschool 05:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I've got to agree with Unschool, not in support of this. If I got this message, I would be very surprised if I found myself passing it one. I can't see what's wrong with a {{smile}} or similar, this seems too... organised, and spammy - Kingpin13 (talk) 05:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. I've seen it before. You can use this pay it foward philosophy to doves, bubble teas, or cookies, but pray don't use it on barnstars. Barnstars are NOT for this purpose. There. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 12:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I was initially pretty hostile to this, but I think that if it's re-worded to say something like "For your hard work in [...]. Take a moment to think of whether another editor has been working hard, and is deserving of recognition". I think there's the general principle that barnstars should not want more from their recipient, though.
An alternative idea is to require that the awarder do something good. So have 5 pieces (or just 2 or 3) of a barnstar, and if you award that barnstar to someone, you have to go out and help people (who want help) or do various community service tasks until others voluntarily (don't go around asking) award you 5 pieces, to complete your own pay it forward barnstar. As for the design, it makes me think of fractals. Maybe it could use a few more stars :) M 22:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)- Actually, the pieces thing might be confusing - it might be better to say something like "if you award this barnstar, you have to go around doing community service and helping people until someone awards you this barnstar" (at which point the awarder would now be indebted to community service. Kind of like barnstar tag. I certainly wouldn't mind it if there was actually a way to attach something of genuine value (helping someone, resolving a conflict, vandalism scavenger hunts, whatever) to something that grows exponentially. Perhaps we could try to brainstorm something like this, if these ideas don't work. M 23:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Strongest possible oppose: We are going to introduce something like this to barnstars now? Barnstars are awarded in recognition of valuable contributions and this is going on a completely different road. This would also be annoying as hell to a lot of people (I mean, you get these damn things in your email inbox everyday, and now it's on Wikipedia too?). If you are looking to promote wikilove, a cookie or smile is what you want. You can do this as a personal award if you wish, but I strongly oppose adding this as a barnstar. ≈ Chamal talk 05:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Alternative?
I think it's clear to everyone that this is a WP:SNOWBALL, I don't really think there's much need to !vote. What about modifying this to require that the awarder of such a barnstar go out and do random acts of kindness until someone thanks them for their hard work, or gives them a barnstar? The barnstar would be something like "I thank you for your hard work with this barnstar, and pledge to follow your example and [fix 20 random pages, work extra hard to earn my own barnstar, etc.]". M 07:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose both the original idea and this proposed alternative. A Barnstar should be an award for a job well done. We should not be encouraging people to seek awards in this manner. If they want to act kindly, they will do so. If they deserve an award, they will be recognized. This proposal encourages fishing for barnstars, which is the last thing we should want. I am strongly opposed to this idea and any variation of it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I see, and I think you're right about the fishing. What about an award that simply says that you'll commit to doing some sort of community service to pay back the hard work (and don't expect a barnstar for it)? M 13:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- As someone who does a lot of work on Civility Patrol in WP:WQA, I see something in this original realm as a positive - but not the chain-barnstar as originally proposed. To me, smiles and cookies are kinda not-so-much when two editors have gone through a bitch-fest of sorts. I may work on something that uses some of these concepts that says "Ok, we may disagree on insert topic here but I appreciate your work on insert another topic here. Hopefully we can get along. Click here to respond in kind". It has nothing to do with awards of any type, merely an olive branch with pay-it-forward underpinnings. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- There already is a barnstar awarders barnstar. And just giving them to users takes the fun out of both getting it and giving it.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 14:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- As someone who does a lot of work on Civility Patrol in WP:WQA, I see something in this original realm as a positive - but not the chain-barnstar as originally proposed. To me, smiles and cookies are kinda not-so-much when two editors have gone through a bitch-fest of sorts. I may work on something that uses some of these concepts that says "Ok, we may disagree on insert topic here but I appreciate your work on insert another topic here. Hopefully we can get along. Click here to respond in kind". It has nothing to do with awards of any type, merely an olive branch with pay-it-forward underpinnings. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you all for takeing a part in this discussion, You are right about Chain letters, but my idea was to force Wikipedians to get know each other and to be more friendly together, I thought that would be a way to making an stronger community. What about if we reduce the third party users from five to one? the Chamal idea is also good, maybe I should redesign another Pay it forward award (not a Barnstar) to be used as personal user awards? ■ MMXXtalk 04:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- Barnstars aren't good just because you get them. The pictures and the boxes and the template text is all just decoration, what's important is that someone appreciates the work you've done. So reducing it to even one user misses the point. You should probably discuss what you have in mind. M 04:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- My advice is, change that barnstar into a pay it foward cookie, and I won't mind. Just don't use barnstars. They are too precious. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 01:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, a cookie might be a good idea. On the one hand, if it works it will be good. On the other, if it doesn't we'll have the great satisfaction of puffing nearly all copies of a chain letter (cookie) out of existence. M 02:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I felt nowadays less people are giving barnstars, and these 150,000* active wikipedians should have a way to get knowing each other better. Anyway, it seems everybody here is oppose this idea, even myself is also thinking if one day I saw this "Pay it forward award" in my talk page, how hard it will be to find five deserved users, I also should think of that will the third users like that award or they will think that I am a spammer!
Just one question, should I request for deletion of template and image? or we can use this five-star general :) somewhere else. ■ MMXXtalk 02:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)- I'd get it deleted if I were you. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 01:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- What about the image, do you think we can use it somewhere else? ■ MMXXtalk 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- As a decoration in your userpage? Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 03:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Or in a userbox saying "This editor is a member of the Barnstar Project" :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- I guess I'm not the only reinventor around here, then. 'Cause it already exists. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 03:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Or in a userbox saying "This editor is a member of the Barnstar Project" :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- As a decoration in your userpage? Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 03:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I felt nowadays less people are giving barnstars, and these 150,000* active wikipedians should have a way to get knowing each other better. Anyway, it seems everybody here is oppose this idea, even myself is also thinking if one day I saw this "Pay it forward award" in my talk page, how hard it will be to find five deserved users, I also should think of that will the third users like that award or they will think that I am a spammer!
- Yes, a cookie might be a good idea. On the one hand, if it works it will be good. On the other, if it doesn't we'll have the great satisfaction of puffing nearly all copies of a chain letter (cookie) out of existence. M 02:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- My advice is, change that barnstar into a pay it foward cookie, and I won't mind. Just don't use barnstars. They are too precious. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 01:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The Apprentice Barnstar
It would be giving to apprentice who have done a good job sence they where adoptet. --Pedro J.the rookie 18:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- I don't like those head things. It's not clear what it's for. Something like this would be more appropriate. It might also end up being given to every single apprentice, just so they don't feel left out. It should be for some specific work done, too. "You are new, but you are active and did a great job with this" might be good. M 20:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this is just too close to this, methinks:
The Exemplary Adoptee Barnstar | ||
To Pedro J, who has come here with a decent idea that unfortunately is too close to an idea already found at WP:Barnstars Unschool 02:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC) |
Thank you, i appriciate it. --Pedro J. the rookie 18:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- What about this won comment
- Note : I removed the link to the "won comment", because the "won comment" image was put over a completely unrelated file (a picture of autumn leaves). Since I reverted to the original file, the link included a pretty big picture in this talk page. The "won comment" image can be seen here. Ksempac (talk) 09:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Misnamed barnstar?
I see that a new barnstar got added today. I think it's really neat looking, and I think it covers an area that has not yet been covered. BUT I think that the name needs some work. By calling it the Historical Barnstar, it sounds too much like the purpose of the Epic Barnstar, but the two of them are actually for very different purposes. Does anyone else have any suggestions what to call this new BStar? Unschool 21:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Creator here (thanks for notifying me of this discussion). As I'm not a native-speaker, I had some trouble coming out with the name and the caption. My intention when I made this barnstar was to reward User:Durova and User:Shoemaker's Holiday who both find and/or restore old illustrations, pictures and photographs for WP:FPC. It is the equivalent of the Photographer's barnstar for thoses working on old files. I'm sure it applies to others users in WP:FPC, and it may applies elsewhere such as in Featured sounds (that's why the barnstar's caption mentions more than pictures). I didn't call it "the restorer's barnstar" because sometimes the difficulty isn't to restore a document (it might already be in good shape) but simply to find it. For example finding an old edition of a book (shoe sometimes buy books for scanning pictures in them), or gaining access to a library with an original document. So please, feel free to edit the name and/or the caption while keeping the meaning of this barnstar (and if necessary, pls modify the talk page of users who already received the barnstar). Ksempac (talk) 22:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Why not simply Historical Files Barnstar? That would make the purpose clearer without changing anything much. Regards SoWhy 06:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- How about "The Curator Barnstar" or even "The Digital Curator Barnstar" ? Curators are those who expand and help preserving museums collections...Seems like a good description for what theses wikipedian are doing Ksempac (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, SoWhy's idea isn't bad, but I really like the Curator Barnstar. Anyone else? Unschool 03:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on Unschool's side. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 02:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Curator's Barnstar is a perfect name for it.--King Bedford I Seek his grace 04:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on Unschool's side. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 02:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, SoWhy's idea isn't bad, but I really like the Curator Barnstar. Anyone else? Unschool 03:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- How about "The Curator Barnstar" or even "The Digital Curator Barnstar" ? Curators are those who expand and help preserving museums collections...Seems like a good description for what theses wikipedian are doing Ksempac (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Why not simply Historical Files Barnstar? That would make the purpose clearer without changing anything much. Regards SoWhy 06:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I would not be opposed to calling it the "Curator's Barnstar," though to be honest that name doesn't really jump out at me, and the first thing I think of when I hear that name is a barnstar for writing articles about museums. What about the "Archivist Barnstar"? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- That sounds like someone doing the archiving, not taking stuff from the archives. I agree with the problem of the "Curator"-suggestion though. While it's more original than my idea, it's also more misleading. Regards SoWhy 08:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe less misleading; File Conservator's Barnstar. Although that's just a suggestion. All of the above names sound good enough - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- File Conservator sounds a little bland to me. I think Archivist works well- it describes someone saving the old materials for posterity. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Archivist's Barnstar is okay, I guess, except that, as SW says, it sounds like the person storing the stuff, not retrieving it. I have the seed of an idea, but not the knowledge to bring it to fruition. You know, how in TV series involving private investigators or lawyers, the leading character will often have an assistant who, five or six times each season, tracks down information that solves the case at the last possible minute? I'm thinking about a Dr. Watson Barnstar, or something like it, but I'm not really sure that Watson ever helped Sherlock Holmes in this way, so that example may not be appropriate. Am I explaining myself well enough? Unschool 00:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I get the point, however you would have to find a reference to a character known worldwide such as Dr Watson (who didn't help Holmes that way btw). You can't simply put the name of a character of the latest TV show or something too Western-centric. That's gonna be hard to find. I don't like the "File Conservator" suggestion, because I don't like using the term "file" for a barnstar. An article is nothing more than a file or an entry in database, yet we use the paper encyclopedia term. I feel the same way about "file" for refering to images/sounds once uploaded. I'm sure we can find a good metaphor to avoid refering directly to file in the name of the barnstar. I like the Archivist a bit more but, I agree with what SoWhy said : it doesn't represent the work done as much as curator Ksempac (talk) 06:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm still in the corner for the Curator Barnstar, but I was trying to find something that would grab the eye of others who have not yet been swept up by what will, in the end, be an unstoppable wave of editorial consensus. (That line is supposed to be read with a slowly rising crescendo.) Unschool 07:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I still find the curator barnstar the best, since the archiving sounds like archiving talk pages. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 07:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm still in the corner for the Curator Barnstar, but I was trying to find something that would grab the eye of others who have not yet been swept up by what will, in the end, be an unstoppable wave of editorial consensus. (That line is supposed to be read with a slowly rising crescendo.) Unschool 07:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I get the point, however you would have to find a reference to a character known worldwide such as Dr Watson (who didn't help Holmes that way btw). You can't simply put the name of a character of the latest TV show or something too Western-centric. That's gonna be hard to find. I don't like the "File Conservator" suggestion, because I don't like using the term "file" for a barnstar. An article is nothing more than a file or an entry in database, yet we use the paper encyclopedia term. I feel the same way about "file" for refering to images/sounds once uploaded. I'm sure we can find a good metaphor to avoid refering directly to file in the name of the barnstar. I like the Archivist a bit more but, I agree with what SoWhy said : it doesn't represent the work done as much as curator Ksempac (talk) 06:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Archivist's Barnstar is okay, I guess, except that, as SW says, it sounds like the person storing the stuff, not retrieving it. I have the seed of an idea, but not the knowledge to bring it to fruition. You know, how in TV series involving private investigators or lawyers, the leading character will often have an assistant who, five or six times each season, tracks down information that solves the case at the last possible minute? I'm thinking about a Dr. Watson Barnstar, or something like it, but I'm not really sure that Watson ever helped Sherlock Holmes in this way, so that example may not be appropriate. Am I explaining myself well enough? Unschool 00:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- File Conservator sounds a little bland to me. I think Archivist works well- it describes someone saving the old materials for posterity. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe less misleading; File Conservator's Barnstar. Although that's just a suggestion. All of the above names sound good enough - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Last Call for comments. I think I'm seeing a clear (albeit, unexcited) consensus for Curator's Barnstar. Anyone object to the change being made? Unschool 05:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Meh. Whatever. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Two all new Barnstars!
Copyright inspector Barnstar
I made this one for the "Commons", but we can use it also here, The Copyright inspector Barnstar will be awarded to users who help in finding copyright violations and tag images or articles as copyvio. ■ MMXXtalk 04:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- But it will be awarded a million times, since everyone checks for copyvios around here. :P Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 02:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- I actually like this idea. Yes, many people check for copyvios, but many people also fight vandalism, copyedit, cleanup and fix redlinks, and we have barnstars for all of those. The barnstar would be awarded for people who go above and beyond in this particuliar Wikipedia duty. I offer my support for this barnstar. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- In the end, that's what {{The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar}} is for, those who do more than just checking. As Kayau says, checking itself is not really worthy of an award. And those who do so often when new page patrolling can be awarded {{The New Page Patroller's Barnstar}}. There is a reason you can add a message to them after all. Regards SoWhy 08:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Whoops, forgot we had the copyright cleanup barnstar. I withdraw my support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- In the end, that's what {{The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar}} is for, those who do more than just checking. As Kayau says, checking itself is not really worthy of an award. And those who do so often when new page patrolling can be awarded {{The New Page Patroller's Barnstar}}. There is a reason you can add a message to them after all. Regards SoWhy 08:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I actually like this idea. Yes, many people check for copyvios, but many people also fight vandalism, copyedit, cleanup and fix redlinks, and we have barnstars for all of those. The barnstar would be awarded for people who go above and beyond in this particuliar Wikipedia duty. I offer my support for this barnstar. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Blank Barnstar
It is an empty place of a Barnstar, I just don't have any idea for this one yet, maybe it could be awarded to users who should received an award but they didn't received any yet! ■ MMXXtalk 04:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- You mean the "What? You haven't got a Barnstar yet Barnstar?" :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Forget it. This is the third time this kind of idea and everyone will certainly oppose!
- Rejected (Users who didn't receive any award! No way! Not this time! They should receive their respective awards, not some kind of blank barnstar!) Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 02:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- The blank one could be used for the wildcard star I proposed below. I find it quite reasonable to be used. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I said "maybe", I just posted it to get some idea from community, as you can see some users already stared proposing new ideas. ■ MMXXtalk 19:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Rejected (Users who didn't receive any award! No way! Not this time! They should receive their respective awards, not some kind of blank barnstar!) Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 02:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Forget it. This is the third time this kind of idea and everyone will certainly oppose!
Barnstar width
I was looking the barnstar templates and noticed that their width is dependent on the amount of text included. So in the first example below, it does not cover the entire width of the page. I am proposing we alter the template so they are 100% the width of the page as shown in the second example. MBisanz talk 05:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Example 1
The Original Barnstar | ||
Test citation. MBisanz talk 05:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
Example 2
The Original Barnstar | ||
Test citation. MBisanz talk 05:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
Example 3
The Original Barnstar | ||
Test citation. MBisanz talk 05:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
Example 4
The Original Barnstar | |
Your underwater basketweaving skills are unmatched! Keep up the great work. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
Making it 100% is a good idea I think. The appearance will be better, and it would also look better in those barnstar lists that people use to keep the things they receive. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- Matt, I've noticed this before myself, and I agree with what you want to do. My question comes as one who is totally ignorant of the technical side of this stuff: Can you force the width on this without messing up some users? I mean, if you mandate a width, is there any chance that some viewers will see a barnstar box that wraps over to another "line", so that they see a "broken" box? Unschool 10:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand the peoblem with the way things are currently. If there is less text, why shouldn't the barnstar box be smaller? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- 'Cause sometimes when people stack their barnstars vertically on the page, the boxes are justified on the left, but not the right, and the userpage thus fails to achieve perfection. Unschool 00:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- See User:Juliancolton, User:J.delanoy. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 11:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I concur ... see here where the latest Barnstar doesn't quite match up :-( (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh. Well, I wouldn't want to be responsible for disrupting the flow of chi through hundreds of user pages. If you guys want to take the time, then go for it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I concur ... see here where the latest Barnstar doesn't quite match up :-( (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
No, since they are substituted, they wouldn't be changed. And changing it wouldn't be too hard, Nutiketaiel. A short run with AWB could do the job. But we need to decide first if we are going to do this, and has anyone noticed that there's a lot of empty space between the image and text in example 2? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The Do not know which one to give and Wildcard Barnstars?
I have recently tried to award barnstars and thinks that this one would be quite handy. Do not know which barnstar to give but not the original Barnstar. Since there are a lot of Barnstars, it might be hard for new star givers to find the right one(someone pointed me to the Barnsakura in the WP:ANIME at the end) and this one seems to be a good idea for new and lazy(like me) to give. It has certain humour in it as well.
An alternative I would suggest is a Wildcard Barnstar, where people can fill in the name of it and the code could be like {{Widecard Barnstar|Title of star|message ~~~~}} If it is because of my laziness of not knowing there already are similar ones, forgive my ignorance and please point me to the correct star. Thank you. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about these kinda ideas. We have loads of barn stars, and it's nice to be awarded a specific one. If there isn't one, then create it (if it has a broad enough scope), or use the original, or random acts of kindness. Or if you really can't think of anything, then {{The Special Barnstar}} is a barnstar designed to be given when the user awarding can't think of anything appropriate - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I proposed this since there are already quite a few awards, and it is very hard to find the right one to give. I know there is a special one and an original barnstar, but a wildcard seems to be suitable in all cases, especially with people who are interest in customizing their own star. Maybe my proposal could be changed to having the code of the special barnstar changed a little to coop with a wildcard title? —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Kingpin is right, the Special is already designed as a "I can't think of which one to give". We got so many of them already that I honestly cannot think of a situation where none of the current ones would suffice and where a new specific one shouldn't be created. Regards SoWhy 08:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I am strongly opposed to this idea. Both the Original Barnstar and the Special Barnstar already fill this need. Personally, I don't think we should even have the Special Barnstar, as the original should be enough, but it has been around a long time and is apparently well liked so it really should stay. We definitely don't need two more that are for the exact same thing, though. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- So, what about the idea of changing it so that a wildcard title could be made? —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- If you want the user to be able to personalise the barnstar manually, then you can use [[tl|barnstar}}, which allows you to choose both the image and text. If you are thinking of something which returns a random barnstar image, then I don't think that would be such a good idea, it's like saying "I don't know what to give you, so I'll choose randomly" and likely award a very inappropriate award. Creating a "proper" ({{barnstar}} as a different format to normal barnstars) barnstar, which allows the awarder to choose both the title and the image isn't a bad idea though. It could also be used by users who are creating a template for a new barnstar. I can create one if you like? - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Kingpin is right, the Special is already designed as a "I can't think of which one to give". We got so many of them already that I honestly cannot think of a situation where none of the current ones would suffice and where a new specific one shouldn't be created. Regards SoWhy 08:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I proposed this since there are already quite a few awards, and it is very hard to find the right one to give. I know there is a special one and an original barnstar, but a wildcard seems to be suitable in all cases, especially with people who are interest in customizing their own star. Maybe my proposal could be changed to having the code of the special barnstar changed a little to coop with a wildcard title? —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I second the comments of both Nutiketaiel and SoWhy. Unschool 23:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- um... The idea sounds a bit weird and offbeat to me. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 06:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Proposed Xbox Barnstar
User:Banej would like to add the Xbox barnstar to the topical barnstars. Submitting here for discussion. Is it needed? Is the design appropriate or desirable? Banej (talk) 03:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The Xbox Barnstar | The Xbox Barnstar | |
Awarded To John Doe, who make outstanding contributions to xbox and xbox 360 related articles and templates. Banej (talk) 03:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC) |
First there is a copyright violation for the X logo. The X logo is the official logo for the Xbox 360, and as such is probably copyrighted by Microsoft. That's why project Xbox has it's own logo, which is an X very far from the original one. Ksempac (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I just went to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Xbox and they already have their own barnstar. So this one is redundant. Ksempac (talk) 07:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, well. Sorry, that's another one Rejected. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 06:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Image deleted due to the copyright violation. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar request
The Family Guy Barnstar | ||
{{{1}}} |
Dose this look like a good barnstar for family guy. --Pedro J. the rookie 01:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Seems fine to me and the WikiProject (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Family Guy#should we make) seems to be fine with it as well. Nice work, I fixed the template for you (it's {{{1}}} not {{1}} you use for the parameters of a template), so the complete usage would be
{{The Family Guy Star|Message ~~~~}}
. If noone objects here or at the WikiProject, you can add it to Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject and to Wikipedia:WikiProject Family Guy (in a barnstar section probably). Regards SoWhy 07:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- How do I add it to to the proyect. --Pedro J. the rookie 15:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Could you re-save it as a PNG, so that it can have a transparent background? EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
how so? --Pedro J. the rookie 21:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Done it for you, see File:Family Guy BS.png. See Portable Network Graphics for more info on png. You will also want to change all the usages of the old image to this new one. Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 22:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
This is a new essay I've just created. Designed to help new users creating barnstars (since I get asked all the time, and a lot of users ask on this page too). Please let me know what you think. And make any changes which you think are suitable. I also created two new templates, one to help with creating the barnstar template (template template), and one to help with adding the barnstar to the WP:BARN page (WP BARN entry). Hope you like :D - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I've added a link to it in the see also section for WP:BARN - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hope my edits are helpful. Wish I'd read this before I joined here! :-P Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 13:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the edits :). Anything which improves it is good, I'm looking for some images to (hopefully) make it more interesting. If you want to add some please do (some screen shots of the stages of making a barnstar might be good, or some images of barnstars etc. *shrug*) . Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
RickK?
Forgive me for not noticing/asking this sooner, but I see that the RickK antivandalism barnstar is now simply the anti vandalism barnstar. If you do not mind my asking, when did this occur, and why? TomStar81 (Talk) 03:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- The RickK barnstar still exists, but Template:The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar seems to have been created way back in 2007 "as an alternative". It seems to have been changed on WP:STAR as a result of this discussion. I think there would be no harm in adding a link to the RickK barnstar in the anti vandalism star's description. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- The essence of the discussion was that there was no longer any sentiment for naming a Barnstar after an individual. One editor had wanted to rename the RickK AV BSTar after our current number one vandal fighter, and in the end the consensus was to remove any personal references in BStar names. Unschool 04:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- We put notifications of the discussion on the talk pages of the CVU, the RCP and the Vandalism Studies Project to solicit comments from vandalism fighters, but I don't think anyone showed up. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- What does everyone think about adding something like "Also see the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar and the CVU Anti-Vandalism Award" under the description of the anti vandalism star? All three are awarded for the same thing, and editors can chose which one they want. Funnily enough, CVU does not list the anti vandalism barnstar as one of their awards. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well that explains alot. I missed the discussion because I don't have much occasion to monitor either of three pages where the notes were left. I would agree with the leaving a link to both the RickK version and non-RickK version, since this allows editors a chance to choose which version they prefer. TomStar81 (Talk) 15:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was wondering what happened.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 17:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think we should have such a link. I can understand leaving the templates intact for those old-timers who still want to use them for whatever reason, but the reasons we came to a consensus to rename it as simply the "Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" were valid, and I see no reason to provide a link to the outdated version. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was wondering what happened.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 17:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- We put notifications of the discussion on the talk pages of the CVU, the RCP and the Vandalism Studies Project to solicit comments from vandalism fighters, but I don't think anyone showed up. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- The essence of the discussion was that there was no longer any sentiment for naming a Barnstar after an individual. One editor had wanted to rename the RickK AV BSTar after our current number one vandal fighter, and in the end the consensus was to remove any personal references in BStar names. Unschool 04:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Toy barnstar name change?
What about changing it to toy and game barnstar?Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 00:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. --[midnight comet] [talk] 01:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- If consensus agrees, I make a new one. Heck, I'll just start right now.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 03:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about this? Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 04:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the name change, but I really think we don't need to change the image. As much as I like the stately d10, it doesn't really add much to the star. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Nutiketaiel, I don't think there's a need to change the image. But I'm fine with changing the barnstar name. Also, if you use plurals, I think it comes out better; Toys and Games Barnstar vs. Toy and Game Barnstar. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Kingpin is right, go with the plurals. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Nutiketaiel, I don't think there's a need to change the image. But I'm fine with changing the barnstar name. Also, if you use plurals, I think it comes out better; Toys and Games Barnstar vs. Toy and Game Barnstar. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the name change, but I really think we don't need to change the image. As much as I like the stately d10, it doesn't really add much to the star. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about this? Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 04:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- If consensus agrees, I make a new one. Heck, I'll just start right now.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 03:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually i never liked the image for this barnstar : I'm not a regular of WP:Awards and each time I stumble upon this barnstar, i'm under the impression that it's about the Great Britain, soldiers, or an historical war. It isn't obvious for me right away that's it's actually a toy soldier. I would like something that makes it clearer, something that you know right away that's it a toy...could be a replica of a real object but with bright colors/smooth edges that makes it clear it's a toy (which is IMHO not the case with this soldier). A chesspiece, a bathroom duck, or a 6-sided die (as much as i like my exotic dice and my D20 collection, theses aren't known by most people, stick with 6sided is better) are others possibilities. Ksempac (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any other dice pics that didn't have a white background behind them.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 21:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I read Nutik & Kingpin's comments and agree with what they say about the name and the image. But then I read Ksempac's comment about the image, and I see the issue. For me, it's good enough to keep it as it is, but I would be open to looking at other "toy" barnstar images. Unschool 00:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any other dice pics that didn't have a white background behind them.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 21:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Sock Puppet Barnstar Redux
The previous discussion kind of puttered out a few months ago with no consensus, so I would like to bring it up again. I resubmit the below barnstar for consideration:
The Sock Puppet Jailer Barnstar
I hereby award this Barnstar to some guy for his excellent and consistent work in exposing and curtailing the use of sock puppets on Wikipedia, especially on this heavily vandalized page. Keep up the great work! Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC) |
I know it's pretty simplistic owing to my lousy image making skills, but you get the idea. I think it is a decent Barnstar that is awarded for an important Wiki-Public Service, namely locking up those stinky unauthorized sock puppets. Thoughts? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Again, support. Would it be possible to make the bars look more metallic? Or just add a gradient? I'll look into it myself if I get the time - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've created one with gradient bars, see File:Puppet Star Gradient Bars.png. If you want me to make changes (e.g. in the spacing of the bars, or their size etc.), feel free to ask, or have a shot at it yourself. I also made the background transparent. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what "gradient" means in this context (I thought it meant the rate of incline or decline on a hill), but your bars do look better than mine. They seem a little too thick, though, which makes it a little hard to see Socko. Maybe if they were just a tad thinner? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Done. If it's not enough let me know :). As to what I mean by "gradient", I'm referring to image gradient :). - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, I think it looks great like that. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ugh. (Sorry.) Unschool 00:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that was constructive. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Meh. Unschool 00:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- :-P Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Meh. Unschool 00:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that was constructive. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ugh. (Sorry.) Unschool 00:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, I think it looks great like that. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- Done. If it's not enough let me know :). As to what I mean by "gradient", I'm referring to image gradient :). - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what "gradient" means in this context (I thought it meant the rate of incline or decline on a hill), but your bars do look better than mine. They seem a little too thick, though, which makes it a little hard to see Socko. Maybe if they were just a tad thinner? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've created one with gradient bars, see File:Puppet Star Gradient Bars.png. If you want me to make changes (e.g. in the spacing of the bars, or their size etc.), feel free to ask, or have a shot at it yourself. I also made the background transparent. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Stub Barnstar
i looked and i didnt see one of these so im proposing it im bad at images so im just gonna show a template example
The Stub-Class Barnstar}}} | ||
{{This Barnstar Goes to Usernamehere For Going the extra mile in improving Stub-Class Articles with sources new info cleanup or anything that would be good to get a stub-class Article alest promoted to c-class or higher |
<noinclude>
what do ya think? BigPadresDUDE (talk) 01:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think it's necessary, since we already have many barnstars related to the improvement of articles in general. Getting an article up to C-Class doesn't really seem like something we need a barnstar for. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Improved kindness campaign award section
I made the four kindness campaigns images into the same sort of order as barnstars now have.
I created three new templates to make this possible.
- {{Peace dove}} was already created.
I also found this page: User:Guitarmankev1/Example_Templates/Barnstars#Peace_and_Brotherhood
Ikip (talk) 18:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I like :). Much nicer like this - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Kingpin13, I always worry how my bold edits will be received. I guess I shouldn't have been as worried, this being the kindness campaign and all.
- While I was doing this all, I farcically imagined an edit war with an editor over these changes, LOL, an edit war on the kindness page would be a great contender for the WP:LAME page.
- I finished the entire page creating 4 more new templates:
- Existing templates:
- {{ThePurpleStar}}
- {{The Wikipedian Red Cross Barnstar}} (previously not mentioned on this page)
- Existing templates:
Request for new barnstar for WikiProject Orphanage
Can someone kindly design a simple little barnstar for WP:WikiProject Orphanage? This project could really use one but my artistic/graphical skills are sorely lacking. :) I don't have any ideas on what kind of image to use, but I will gladly reward with their own barnstar anyone who can come up with something. Thank you! :D -- Ϫ 01:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Just so everyone understands what OlEnglish wants here, the Orphanage is where they work on getting orphaned articles connected to other articles. Nothing to do with real orphanages, though the metaphor might be helpful in coming up with an image. What about—arrghhh, nevermind. I'm as creative as a stone. Unschool 01:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe I know! It's hard isn't it? I looked up "orphanage" on Commons but all I found was images of ugly buildings. Maybe something to do with a web or a tree.. since our goal is to build the web. -- Ϫ 23:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- You need to look up "Orphan"... I still haven't found something which I think I could work with. - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about a picture of (or related to) good ol' Orphan Annie? – B.hotep •talk• 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Or maybe Oliver Twist? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about Bruce Wayne? He's an orphan (although not famous for being one). No? Sorry, I'm just obsessed with Batman, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, stick with Oliver Twist, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sure there will be some Tolkien inspired artwork with appropriate copyright (he and his wife were both orphans as were Frodo, Aragorn and some of his other characters). As someone who's de-orphaned a few articles myself I would have thought that images of searching, weaving things into a pattern or a Blacksmith creating chains would be more relevant than Oliver Twist asking for more gruel. ϢereSpielChequers 15:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, that sort of orphan. Well, I think the bit about chain links is a good idea. I think we should do something along those lines, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- How are chains relevant? Are you suggesting we keep the orphaned articles chained up in the basement of the orphanage? Chequers, you're cruel! Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, that sort of orphan. Well, I think the bit about chain links is a good idea. I think we should do something along those lines, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sure there will be some Tolkien inspired artwork with appropriate copyright (he and his wife were both orphans as were Frodo, Aragorn and some of his other characters). As someone who's de-orphaned a few articles myself I would have thought that images of searching, weaving things into a pattern or a Blacksmith creating chains would be more relevant than Oliver Twist asking for more gruel. ϢereSpielChequers 15:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, stick with Oliver Twist, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about Bruce Wayne? He's an orphan (although not famous for being one). No? Sorry, I'm just obsessed with Batman, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Or maybe Oliver Twist? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- What about a picture of (or related to) good ol' Orphan Annie? – B.hotep •talk• 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- You need to look up "Orphan"... I still haven't found something which I think I could work with. - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe I know! It's hard isn't it? I looked up "orphanage" on Commons but all I found was images of ugly buildings. Maybe something to do with a web or a tree.. since our goal is to build the web. -- Ϫ 23:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Here are some suggestions, probably not very good, but I'm posting for some reason.
- WereSpielChequers's idea made me think that a picture of a helping hand (like that logo of some humanitarian organization that I can't remember the name of, or like the Nokia hands logo). But then that looks a bit too close to article rescue.
- Idea 2 is a barnstar being created, to signify building the connections between article or "building the web". Maybe something like a puzzle or toy blocks, the pieces coming together.
So... epic failz? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- No, not an epic fail. I think idea 2 sounds great, I just can't think of how to design it. Maybe a spider's web? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I also like idea 2. How bout a graphic looking something like those visual representations you see of the Internet, where everything is interconnected in a web-like fashion, but with one node (or article) separate (orphaned) from the rest and it's arms outstretched reaching out wanting to join the group? <shrug> -- Ϫ 23:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh and also, maybe I could use the same logo in {{welcome de-orphaner}} to replace that house pic. -- Ϫ 23:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Proposed Image Barnstar
I'm bringing this barnstar to the talk page for discussion. It's an interesting idea, and (at first glance) an attractive design, but I'm not sold on it. For one thing, we already have The Photographer's Barnstar, The SVG Barnstar, The Commons Ambassador Barnstar, and The Graphic Designer's Barnstar. I kinda think its likely that one of those will cover most "image-related" topics that would need a barnstar.
Secondly, I object to the design. Look at it close, and you will see the words, "selected picture of the month". This clearly belongs in a more specific place than "General Barnstars". I'm moving it off of WP:BS unless the other project members feel that it should be returned in its current state. Unschool 01:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't really feel a need for this Barnstar at all. Have you left a message for its creator? Perhaps he can tell us what he had in mind and why it is needed. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with Unschool. I too don't see a need for this. Might be more appropriate as a WP:PUA. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nutik, I sure hope you get more in your stocking at Christmas than I do, because I completely forgot to notify him (though I left a wonderful edit summary at WP:BARNSTAR with the assumption that he would check back.) Anyway, I've now rectified my oversight. Thanks for looking over my shoulder. Unschool 03:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't know that there was a "photographer's barnstar". Actually, I suggest changing the star of the "photographer's" barnstar with some sort of picturish barnstar or one that has been "photographed". --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions) 10:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- No problem, Unschool. That's why they pay me the big bucks. ;-) Tyw7, I rather like the current Photographer's Barnstar- I think it's very appropriate looking with the shutter, and well designed. Why do you think it needs to be changed, and what specifically would you suggest changing about it? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Are you a photographer? And I must have over looked the "barnstar". :-) --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions) 16:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- No, I am not a photographer. Is that relevant? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think Tyw7 thought you were a photographer when you said you were payed "the big bucks" :) But I also think the current photographer's barnstar is good and gets the idea across very well. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Then what does "they pay me the big bucks" REALLY mean? --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions) 00:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think Tyw7 thought you were a photographer when you said you were payed "the big bucks" :) But I also think the current photographer's barnstar is good and gets the idea across very well. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- No, I am not a photographer. Is that relevant? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with Unschool. I too don't see a need for this. Might be more appropriate as a WP:PUA. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Micronations Barnstar
Here is my proposed Micronations Barnstar (it needs some work) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldplay Expert (talk • contribs) 01:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Uhh, not to showcase my ignorance, but who is that guy in the Barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- It looks a little like Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Its Emperor Joushua Norton The Emperor of the United States and Protetor of Mexico He is one of the most important figures in micronationalism.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe you should make an article about him. I would, but I know nothing about the subject. I don't even know what Micronationalism is, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
there is already, I just spelled it worng or something. But micronationalism is somethoing that I made up (it might be a real word though) see Micronations.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- OK, first off, Emperor Norton has nothing to do with Micronations. Emperor Norton was a resident of San Francisco of questionable sanity who claimed to be the Emperor of the United States. A Micronation is a person or small group claiming an area to be a sovereign state without external recognition, like the Conch Republic down in Key West. I would be OK in principle with a Barnstar for individuals who make outstanding contributions to micronation articles, but you need a new picture for it. Emperor Norton doesn't cover it (now, if you wanted a Barnstar on Discordianism...). Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah but dont you know that most micronations celebrate the day he died?--Coldplay Expert (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh so they are happy about it? :P Anyway, is this really necessary? The scope of this seems very narrow to me, and whether something is a micronation or not is also debatable AFAIK (like that internet based one) which makes the scope a bit obscure. I also think it's unlikely that someone will be contributing entirely to such articles to deserve a specific barnstar for micronations. So could you explain the need for this? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- I feel bad about saying this, but there isn't really much need for one. Unless there is a WikiProject Micronations (I believe there is), in which case you might want to take it up there. BTW, that article about Emperor Norton is the best article I have ever read on WP. A bit like me declaring myself "Lord" Spongefrog, and insisting on being called that (which I do and have done for some days), Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 20:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright. And by the way, its crappy because I made it on paint. If there ever is a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Micronations it doesnt have to be this one. I just thought that it was a good idea.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Zoroastrianism Barnstar
The Zoroastrianism Barnstar | ||
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Hello,
I created Template:Zoroastrianism Barnstar per a request and added it to the list. Then I realized it should probably be discussed first, so I undid my addition. :) Feel free to add it to the list, or not, either is fine by me. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, too. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks guys. --ThaddeusB (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm confused
Why do we have barnstars for all the religons? Why not a religon barnstar or something? Abce2|TalkSign 05:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- There are a lot of articles related to any specific religion; the scope of the topic is very wide and almost every religion has its own wikiproject. It's possible that an editor will contribute significantly to articles relating to one religion, so a specific barnstar will be better for that I think. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 05:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Also I have no doubt that there are cases where adherents of religion X would reject an award which could also be received by adherents of religion Y. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Past discussions
Guys, we have some past discussions up there that need to be closed and proposed barnstars that need to be added. Anyone interested in doing this? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Like which ones? Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- There's quite a lot. Also it seems our archive bot has stopped. I'll try and fix the config once we are satisfied the threads are closed. Chamal, if you want to, please upload the new Buddha barnstar over the top of the old one, there's not enough links to make it worth keeping in somewhere other than the file history, IMO. - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I had fixed the config of the archive-a-majigger before Chamal made this post. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh good. Also, I had a look at the discussions, but most of them (excluding the linguistic, which no one can change properly except the original up-loader, the buddhist, which I'd do, only Chamal deserves the "honour" :), and the NPOV barnstar, which no one can fix) are either already added, or not going to be. - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- So I'm guessing there's not much hope for a WikiProject Orphanage barnstar? -- Ϫ 23:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Patience, mon ami. Just keep nudging. Keep gently reminding, and it may yet happen. Unschool 05:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I was kinda talking about the top half of this page (the threads which are older than 30 days, and therefor should be archived soon). - Kingpin13 (talk) 05:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, from the look of the page, I thought there were quite a few :P I have added the Buddhism star, but if anyone thinks that is inappropriate since I have a COI there, please feel free to raise the issue. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, that was one hell of an archive. We were way overdue. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- So I'm guessing there's not much hope for a WikiProject Orphanage barnstar? -- Ϫ 23:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh good. Also, I had a look at the discussions, but most of them (excluding the linguistic, which no one can change properly except the original up-loader, the buddhist, which I'd do, only Chamal deserves the "honour" :), and the NPOV barnstar, which no one can fix) are either already added, or not going to be. - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I had fixed the config of the archive-a-majigger before Chamal made this post. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- There's quite a lot. Also it seems our archive bot has stopped. I'll try and fix the config once we are satisfied the threads are closed. Chamal, if you want to, please upload the new Buddha barnstar over the top of the old one, there's not enough links to make it worth keeping in somewhere other than the file history, IMO. - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Purple Heart Award
I'm aware there's a Purple Barnstar Award...but shouldn't it be a Purple Heart award? I'd like to propose this picture.Smallman12q (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Deleter's Barnstar
Here's an idea. What about a barnstar for people who do great work in deleting pages. Abce2|This isnot a test 04:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, since not everyone can delete articles, I guess that would look like this:
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
For deleting pages that needed to be deleted, and not those that did not need to be deleted, I present Abce2 with this Admin's Barnstar. Unschool 04:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC) |
- Just saying, the admin's barnstar kind of goes around deleting. Let me double check.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wouldn't the "Main Page barnstar" fall into the admin star category too? And deletion is a huge part of the Wikipedia behind the scenes.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- By my count, the Main Page BStar has only been awarded six times; four of those were clearly for non-administor functions, and the other two were not for sysop work, but for programming the main page itself. And, to tell you the truth, I think the MP BS is a pretty lousy idea for a BStar. I don't believe in BStars that do not have a high likelihood of being used for a large number of editors. Too much specialization in BStars is already a (very minor) problem, IMHO. Unschool 05:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, that criticism is not directed at your Deletion BStar; your proposal at least has the merits of being on general interest. My point is just to ask the question, "isn't this already covered?"Unschool 05:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Of course, there is a Barnstar (two actually, and unfortunately) for saving articles from deletion, so maybe this would add balance. I don't know. I'm going to shut up and see what others have to say about it. Unschool 05:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- What criticism? I guess I should have looked at the Main Page star a little more. Let's wait and see what others think. Also I've got a low battery, so this is my last post.Abce2|This isnot a test 05:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- More often than not, an admin deletes pages per a request made by someone else (CSD/PROD) or as the result of a discussion. All he then has to do is click a button. That doesn't strike me as something that needs recognition. But maybe I'm missing something here; Abce2 did you have something else in mind? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 09:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- What criticism? I guess I should have looked at the Main Page star a little more. Let's wait and see what others think. Also I've got a low battery, so this is my last post.Abce2|This isnot a test 05:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Of course, there is a Barnstar (two actually, and unfortunately) for saving articles from deletion, so maybe this would add balance. I don't know. I'm going to shut up and see what others have to say about it. Unschool 05:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, that criticism is not directed at your Deletion BStar; your proposal at least has the merits of being on general interest. My point is just to ask the question, "isn't this already covered?"Unschool 05:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- By my count, the Main Page BStar has only been awarded six times; four of those were clearly for non-administor functions, and the other two were not for sysop work, but for programming the main page itself. And, to tell you the truth, I think the MP BS is a pretty lousy idea for a BStar. I don't believe in BStars that do not have a high likelihood of being used for a large number of editors. Too much specialization in BStars is already a (very minor) problem, IMHO. Unschool 05:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wouldn't the "Main Page barnstar" fall into the admin star category too? And deletion is a huge part of the Wikipedia behind the scenes.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Just saying, the admin's barnstar kind of goes around deleting. Let me double check.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- If an admin does plenty of good work in areas of deletion, like CSD or PROD, the admin's barnstar is actually designed to be rewarded in those cases (I made it, so I should know ;-)). I got it awarded myself for that once even. If you want to honor someone for doing complex AFD closures, {{The Barnstar of Diligence}} can be used as well imho. But I see no need for a BS awarded for deletion per se, deletion is not something special (in fact, we should try to avoid it wherever possible) but cleaning up and that's what the admins' job is after all. For the same reason we have no special "Block Barnstar" or "Protection Barnstar". Those are simply two more aspects of adminship and thus already covered by the existing BSs. Regards SoWhy 10:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Stub Barnstar
after getting a image i Boldy Added my idea to the list
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