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: As anyone can see, you are trying to cherry pick sources to say that Lancaster is a journalist while removing the fact that when he is mentioned in reliable sources at all, it is as a spreader of Kremlin propaganda, sometimes as a scare quotes “journalist” or “self-described journalist “. I’d suggest looking into {{no ping|666hopedieslast}} as a potential sock puppet: he’s been doing things like posting warnings and reverting to edits made by others on pages since his first day here - joined after the war started. Anyone know who the master could be?—[[User:Ermenrich|Ermenrich]] ([[User talk:Ermenrich|talk]]) 12:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
: As anyone can see, you are trying to cherry pick sources to say that Lancaster is a journalist while removing the fact that when he is mentioned in reliable sources at all, it is as a spreader of Kremlin propaganda, sometimes as a scare quotes “journalist” or “self-described journalist “. I’d suggest looking into {{no ping|666hopedieslast}} as a potential sock puppet: he’s been doing things like posting warnings and reverting to edits made by others on pages since his first day here - joined after the war started. Anyone know who the master could be?—[[User:Ermenrich|Ermenrich]] ([[User talk:Ermenrich|talk]]) 12:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Lancaster&type=revision&diff=1097938097&oldid=1097937959 Look at the last edit I posted]. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. [[User:666hopedieslast|666hopedieslast]] ([[User talk:666hopedieslast|talk]]) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
::I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Lancaster&type=revision&diff=1097938097&oldid=1097937959 Look at the last edit I posted]. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. [[User:666hopedieslast|666hopedieslast]] ([[User talk:666hopedieslast|talk]]) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say {{tq|'''Patrick Lancaster''' is a [[YouTuber]] who has vlogged from [[Donbas]] since 2014. Lancaster's videos have been featured by mainstream media outlets and has contributed to [[The Telegraph]] and [[Sky News]].<ref>https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-40647061 The communist soldier using charity sites to fund his war]. [[BBC]]. 24 July 2017.</ref>}}. I invite anyone to look at what that BBC source (from 2017!) actually says about him, namely: {{tq|Phillips works with a third pro-separatist video maker - American-born Patrick Lancaster. Lancaster also describes himself as an independent journalist.}} At any rate, you need to hold this discussion at the article talk page.--[[User:Ermenrich|Ermenrich]] ([[User talk:Ermenrich|talk]]) 13:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
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equal marriages Romanov Bagration .
When Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna , daughter of G-D Konstantine Konstantinovich, obtained the consent of her father to marry Konstantine Bagration and of course the blessing of HIM Nicholas II, she signed an official renouncement to their future children's rights, and that was BEFORE the abdication of the Romanov dynasty. So did her niece Ekaterina Ioannovna, princess of the Imperial Blood, in the late thirties, when she married Ruggero, marchese (in italian, or marquess, it means the same,) Farace di Villaforesta, for their children. Neither of these children : Nicoletta, Fiammetta and Ivan Farace ever considered themselves as heirs.... but Ivan, now marchese Farace di Villaforesta, is an active honorary member of the Family Association since his mother passed away in 2007. Like HM the King of Greece, Prince Michael of Kent, and other members of the Family, not necessCite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).arily of the Dynasty. If Konstantine was not equal to Tatiana Konstantinovna, Leonida was not equal to Vladimir Kirilovich.( Who was not a grand duke himself, according to the Laws, it was a "titre de courtoisie"...). This is simple and clear . Grand dukes, during the last years of the Empire, were only brothers, children and grand children of the Emperor. The sons of GD Konstantine Konstantinovich were born as grand dukes, but became princes when the Laws were modified, before the end or the monarchy. The last Emperor was GD Mikhail for a very short time, and all the grand dukes and grand duchesses are now dead, alas.
Sources : myself, marchesa Farace di Villaforesta— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:cb11:192:3f00:cc03:3d6f:ac49:d639 (talk • contribs)
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Merging the various articles on Putin ideology
I think we might want to merge all of these articles as they seem like redundant articles on the same political ideology
- Rashism
- Putinism
- Nashism
- Chekism more of a social system but worth mentioning
- Russian world more likely to be separate as it's a concept within the ideology
- Eurasianism seems like it should be merged, at least with the Dugin version
MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- No. There is no such thing as "Putin ideology". Accordingly, none of these pages, including "Putinism", is about Putin's ideology. What is "Putinism" exactly? There are different answers, such as Russian corporatism, etc. All these pages are on different subjects. Why any of them should be merged? My very best wishes (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- @My very best wishes can you please elaborate on this? My impression was that at least Rashism Nashism and Putinism are all the political ideology of Vladimir Putin. Is that incorrect? The pages are on different scholarly perspectives on the same thing. Chekism may very well be the case too, but it is more sociological rather than ideological, Dugin's Eurasianism may also count as the ruling ideology MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 00:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you look at these pages, none of them says that "X [for example, Putinism] is ideology of Putin". Yes, some kind of an ideology is a part of these subjects. In addition, Putin is not an ideologist. Someone like Dugin might be. My very best wishes (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The conversation was moved to Talk:Rashism#Merge_Proposal because that talk page is more active MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you look at these pages, none of them says that "X [for example, Putinism] is ideology of Putin". Yes, some kind of an ideology is a part of these subjects. In addition, Putin is not an ideologist. Someone like Dugin might be. My very best wishes (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Timofey Sergeytsev
I have been working on an article Draft:Timofey Sergeytsev on the author of What Russia should do with Ukraine does anyone want to help with it? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 02:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
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and turns it into something like
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Historical census population in lead section
There are many articles that contain a list of the census population in the lede, such as Belgorod, with its second sentence being just: Population: 356,402 (2010 Census); 337,030 (2002 Census); 300,408 (1989 Census).
Apart from not being a proper sentence, it is unnecessary to give that information in the lede. Only the latest population should be included, like in most cities in other countries or even in Russia (like Moscow). This is an issue in other Russian cities that use template:Ru-census. If there is consensus, we should remove that template from the lede in all articles. Pinging @Ymblanter:, who reverted my changes when I removed the template in Belgorod. Vpab15 (talk) 16:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see any reason to remove the results of the previous censuses. There were only three relevant censuses, 1989, 2002, and 2010, there is no selection here. I disagree that this information is not important. Moreover, removing templates means removing references, which is not acceptable. Ymblanter (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Vladimir Putin's meeting table
I think the article Vladimir Putin's meeting table should be part of Vladimir Putin, possibly under the Public image section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.5.84.223 (talk) 18:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Columbine movement
I recently saw this http://www.interfax-religion.ru/new/?act=news&div=79013 on Interfax-Religion and it completely confuses me. What is this movement and is it worth looking into for an article? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 09:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Probably it is the Columbine effect. Mellk (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, could you take a look at the Dissolution of Russia page, it clearly should be deleted in my view, it is crystal balling and therefore not suitable for an encyclopedia. The first section is 'historical precedents', ie the dissolution of the USSR, then the next section, taking up a good 60% is listing reasons for this dissolution, which hasn't happened, citing mainly one study by one professor. Then there is two quotes, one each from Putin and Medvedev saying how awful it would be if Russia was dissolved. Then a short list of three irredentist movements claiming Russian land. i.e. it is a non-article mostly based off speculation from one professor. It's basically a conspiracy theory except its not presented as such, it's presented as if it's somehow already happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.172.27.215 (talk) 00:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's one main souce also seems to be primary, no reliable secondary sources are given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.172.27.215 (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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"Placeholder" redirects to Russian districts: what are they holding a place for?
User:Ezhiki has created many redirects to Districts of Russia, e.g. redirects to Tyulyachinsky District. Most of these redirects are tagged with {{r from alternative spelling}} but I've noticed a couple that are tagged with "for convenience" and per edit summaries were created as placeholder redir. For Tyulyachinsky District these are Tyulyachinskaya and Tyulyachinskoye. I've seen similar "placeholder redirects" created for many other Russian districts. Generally these all end with the letters "kaya" and "koye". Why are these not labeled as alternative spellings; what are these "kaya" and "koye" redirects placeholders for? – wbm1058 (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I assume there are localities with the name Tyulyachinsky (can not easily check now though), and I know that Ezhiki intended to create SET index pages for all Russian localities before they sadly went inactive. If Tyulyachinsky is a valid SET index article, Tyulyachinskaya (a feminie form) would be a valid redirect to it. Ymblanter (talk) 16:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The locality there – administrative center of the district – is the village of Tyulyachi (population: 3,265). Per the article 13,778 people reside in the district, and "In the Tyulyachinsky district, there are 13 urban and 53 rural settlements within them." The term urban must have some uniquely Russian meaning here if there are 13 such areas in a district with less than 14 thousand people. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I removed the sentence as obviously incorrect, but indeed I do not see any locations anywhere with the name Tyulyachinsky. Presumably it was indeed intended like a permanent redirect to the district. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for pinging me. Yaroslav's is a good explanation; I just wanted to add a bit to clarify the intent behind these.
- In Russian, all nouns have a gender, with which adjectives must agree. The names of the districts are usually just an adjectivized (is that a word? :)) form of the name of its administrative center; in this case Tyulyachi-->Tyulyachinsky; normally directly transliterated from Russian because that's what's usually done to names that do not have an established conventional English name equivalent (like Moscow, St. Petersburg, et al). The "-sky" ending indicates masculine gender (since the noun "district" (raion) is masculine). But here's the rub. Any entity pertaining to the district will also most likely be named after the district, but the name (an adjective) would have to agree with the entity noun's gender. So, the district administration, for example, would be "Tyulyachinskaya District Administration", because the noun "administration" is feminine. A District's Department of Whatever & Sundry would be "Tyulyachinskoye Department", because the noun "department" is neuter.
- The thinking was that if any of those entities ever become notable for any reason to deserve coverage, it's pretty much a toss which gender form will end up being used. Say, the District Administration does something awesome or outlandish that an encyclopedia such as ours will need to cover, but that something does not qualify for a standalone article and is best upmerged into the the article about the district (the closest match). There is no expectation a non-native speaker should know that just because it's "Tyulyachinskaya (District) Administration", it does not at all mean that in a district called "Tyulyachinskaya". A redirect covers just such a possibility. It's not an alternative spelling, but indeed just a convenience, a tool to catch a (technically grammatically incorrect) redirect, or help move a search result closer to top.
- Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 3, 2022; 19:28 (UTC)
- @Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm working to deprecate mainspace use of {{R for convenience}} and Category:Redirects for convenience as too vague. I think all redirects are for convenience! My thoughts here, and see also Template talk:R for convenience. Currently there are about 2600 redirects tagged with {{R for convenience}} and about 1900 of them are this type of Russian-language gendered redirect to a Russian district. I'd like to change these to use a more specific redirect-category-template, and have written a quick PHP script to automate the conversion. Could we use {{R from adjective}} or would something else listed on Template:R template index work better? Alternatively we could create a new Rcat template for this usage, and its documentation would be similar to what you just told me above. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would be fine with {{R from adjective}}; alternatively, we could use {{R from modification}}, I would be fine with it as well. Ymblanter (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have no objections to removing the tag (or replacing it with a better one, if one is available; the adjective or modification ones look totally fine). This tag just happened to be the most relevant I could find at the time of redirects creation. I would be against deleting the actual redirects (and I understand this is not at all what you're proposing; but putting it here for the record), since they are providing value, however minute, and cost literally nothing to keep. So if you're just looking at cleaning up the redirect tags structure, you have my full support. Cheers!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 7, 2022; 20:46 (UTC)
- @Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm working to deprecate mainspace use of {{R for convenience}} and Category:Redirects for convenience as too vague. I think all redirects are for convenience! My thoughts here, and see also Template talk:R for convenience. Currently there are about 2600 redirects tagged with {{R for convenience}} and about 1900 of them are this type of Russian-language gendered redirect to a Russian district. I'd like to change these to use a more specific redirect-category-template, and have written a quick PHP script to automate the conversion. Could we use {{R from adjective}} or would something else listed on Template:R template index work better? Alternatively we could create a new Rcat template for this usage, and its documentation would be similar to what you just told me above. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I removed the sentence as obviously incorrect, but indeed I do not see any locations anywhere with the name Tyulyachinsky. Presumably it was indeed intended like a permanent redirect to the district. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The locality there – administrative center of the district – is the village of Tyulyachi (population: 3,265). Per the article 13,778 people reside in the district, and "In the Tyulyachinsky district, there are 13 urban and 53 rural settlements within them." The term urban must have some uniquely Russian meaning here if there are 13 such areas in a district with less than 14 thousand people. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Followup-sky
@Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm down to 31 transclusions in mainspace. 28 of 31 end in "sky". Are these all {{R from adjective}} too, or something else? wbm1058 (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, these are all indeed {{R from adjective}}, as far as I can see.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
New category "Entities controlling Crimea"
FYI, Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea was just created. I think the category has problems, please join the discussion at Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea#Problematic categoryNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Value of 250,000 rubles during the Russian Revolution
Talk:Nestor Makhno#Bank expropriation
Hello! Looking for some assistance contextualizing the size/importance of a 250,000-ruble bank expropriation during the Ukrainian War of Independence/Russian Revolution. Discussion linked above. czar 02:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the user 折毛 (talk · contribs), who has added numerous hoaxes about Russian history to the English and Chinese Wikipedias.. The thread is An_urgent_report_about_a_user:折毛's_hoaxes. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Elections in Russia
I believe that pages informing about 2022 elections should inform about the legal contex. War censorship limits discussion and Alexei Navalny is imprisoned.Xx236 (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- It makes sense, I think it shouldn't be too hard to find this discussed in RS and add it to the relevant article. Alaexis¿question? 18:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Featured Article Save Award for Antarctica
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Assistance with Patrick Lancaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Lancaster please? it is a new article. Thanks. 666hopedieslast (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Mono-ideologies in secular Russian philosophy
I want to add a section in this article Mono-ideology on secular takes on mono-ideologies. Is anyone familiar with the term and secular work on them? Russian: моноидеология is the Russian word Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 08:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
A with grave (Cyrillic)
I came across A with grave (Cyrillic) during new page patrol and would appreciate a knowledgeable second opinion. In particular, is it really a distinct "letter"? As opposed to a regular A with a stress mark? – Joe (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
German A. Korobov
I created a draft for German A. Korobov, a Russian desinger of firearms. I have not found many good souces. Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Fresh eyes on Patrick Lancaster article
Hello, can the community look at this article, there is someone who is removing well sourced material from the article during a AFD. 666hopedieslast (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- As anyone can see, you are trying to cherry pick sources to say that Lancaster is a journalist while removing the fact that when he is mentioned in reliable sources at all, it is as a spreader of Kremlin propaganda, sometimes as a scare quotes “journalist” or “self-described journalist “. I’d suggest looking into 666hopedieslast as a potential sock puppet: he’s been doing things like posting warnings and reverting to edits made by others on pages since his first day here - joined after the war started. Anyone know who the master could be?—Ermenrich (talk) 12:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? Look at the last edit I posted. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. 666hopedieslast (talk) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say
Patrick Lancaster is a YouTuber who has vlogged from Donbas since 2014. Lancaster's videos have been featured by mainstream media outlets and has contributed to The Telegraph and Sky News.[1]
. I invite anyone to look at what that BBC source (from 2017!) actually says about him, namely:Phillips works with a third pro-separatist video maker - American-born Patrick Lancaster. Lancaster also describes himself as an independent journalist.
At any rate, you need to hold this discussion at the article talk page.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say
- I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? Look at the last edit I posted. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. 666hopedieslast (talk) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-40647061 The communist soldier using charity sites to fund his war]. BBC. 24 July 2017.