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Some eyes are needed on the [[Syria]] and [[Golan Heights]]. Virtually all reliable sources make it clear that the border conflicts between Israel and Syria between 1948 and 1967 were either started by Syria or were a tit-for-tat play between the two countries. The truth is probably the later as the two countries had different interpretations of the cease fire agreement, resulting in Israeli actions seen as provocations by the Syrians who then shelled Israeli villages. This is from my reading the most mainstream interpretation. See these sources [http://books.google.com/books?id=vNb5VkyxDlYC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 131), [http://books.google.com/books?id=sLbGOXe5B6YC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 192), [http://books.google.com/books?id=_EhACvcqVXkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 88), [http://books.google.com/books?id=cT16EWF9I4cC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 58ff.), [http://books.google.com/books?id=Vh3qJ8O73VIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 289), [http://books.google.com/books?id=_wnqillTvzsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 51). And so on. The problem is that two editors [[User:Nableezy]] and [[User:Supreme Deliciousness]] are painting a different picture, that is of Israeli being the aggressor provoking the Syrians. These two editors so far do not seem interested in NPOV and are only interested in finding sources that support their POV (even using a completely fake source!). It is of course the usual game. Find sources that support your POV or cite selectively, and when questioned argue that it is reliably sourced and if something is missing the other editor has to add it. I am not interested at all to work on these articles and with these editors anymore. Maybe someone with the nerves to work with partisan editors and interested in counterbalancing an existing bias should work on this article. Some useful sources are above. [[User:Pantherskin|Pantherskin]] ([[User talk:Pantherskin|talk]]) 10:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC) |
Some eyes are needed on the [[Syria]] and [[Golan Heights]]. Virtually all reliable sources make it clear that the border conflicts between Israel and Syria between 1948 and 1967 were either started by Syria or were a tit-for-tat play between the two countries. The truth is probably the later as the two countries had different interpretations of the cease fire agreement, resulting in Israeli actions seen as provocations by the Syrians who then shelled Israeli villages. This is from my reading the most mainstream interpretation. See these sources [http://books.google.com/books?id=vNb5VkyxDlYC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 131), [http://books.google.com/books?id=sLbGOXe5B6YC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 192), [http://books.google.com/books?id=_EhACvcqVXkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 88), [http://books.google.com/books?id=cT16EWF9I4cC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 58ff.), [http://books.google.com/books?id=Vh3qJ8O73VIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 289), [http://books.google.com/books?id=_wnqillTvzsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] (page 51). And so on. The problem is that two editors [[User:Nableezy]] and [[User:Supreme Deliciousness]] are painting a different picture, that is of Israeli being the aggressor provoking the Syrians. These two editors so far do not seem interested in NPOV and are only interested in finding sources that support their POV (even using a completely fake source!). It is of course the usual game. Find sources that support your POV or cite selectively, and when questioned argue that it is reliably sourced and if something is missing the other editor has to add it. I am not interested at all to work on these articles and with these editors anymore. Maybe someone with the nerves to work with partisan editors and interested in counterbalancing an existing bias should work on this article. Some useful sources are above. [[User:Pantherskin|Pantherskin]] ([[User talk:Pantherskin|talk]]) 10:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC) |
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This article needs emergency attention: Harel Skaat is competing in the Eurovision this evening. I noticed that many of the references lead to dead links, and the formatting is terrible. Can someone help?--Geewhiz (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC) Archived subject brought back because nothing has been doneUpgrading Music of Israel and other B-class articles I believe there is room to reconsider this article for GA status. It is far from perfect, but then again, no articles on Wikipedia are ever perfect. Many references have been added since the article was reviewed in 2007, and it offers quite an extensive view of the subject. On a general note, I think that editors here are being too picky when it comes to upgrading articles. It seems telling that there are only 6 articles that have reached featured status, and very few in the medium/high categories. Looking at other articles on Wikipedia that have passed GA, I think many Israel-related articles are equally worthy - if not much more so. High standards should be applauded, but there is no need to overdo it, to the detriment of the project.--Gilabrand (talk) 08:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I have brought the above discussion back from the archive, as WP Israel editors continue to sit on the fence. There are several articles in the B category that could easily be upgraded to GA status. It is a crying shame that only Pallywood-type articles like Muhammad Al-Durrah are promoted and everything else just sits because of a certain overcritical stance in this project that does not exist on the rest of Wikipedia. People, get off your haunches and do something.--Gilabrand (talk) 07:50, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Attention, compulsive archivists: Please do not archive material that is still relevant.--Geewhiz (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Priority scalewhere exactly is the afore-mentioned scale? --Sreifa (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC) rfc on israeli settlement terminologyWikipedia:Requests for comment/Israeli settlements nableezy - 23:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC) In the overview section of the article it says "By charter, the unit is forbidden from engaging in Psychological Warfare and from the dissemination of falsified information". To what does "charter" refer? I'd really appreciate if the author of the article or anybody else could give me a source for this because it could prove important for my work. Thanks in advance. 188.195.127.134 (talk) 15:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC) I am not an expert on Wikipedia, but this article is ridiculous. The entire article is designated to the condemnation of Israeli public relations? Why? Similar articles such as White House Press Secretary talk about the responsibility of the individual. Hasbara basically is the equivalent to a press release in the US, yet it's filled with so much hate. Nothing can be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CChips (talk • contribs) 15:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC) Leviathan gas field - Cyprus and Lebanon ownership disputes?A Gas company does a seismic survey (I think it was Noble Energy) of a gas field off the coast of Haifa. They say there is a lot of gas for the next few decades of energy and some left over for exporting. Lebanon says it's all theirs or the field extends into its own sea territory.
Yarkon RiverThe Yarkon River, which was or has supposedly been polluted, needs a little attention. I've already posted the details on the discussion page. As I'm not sure if anyone (informed) is watching the brief Yarkon River article, excuse me to be double-posting here... especially because the request may require some research, and I assume that people at this project will be more motivated to put such effort in their work than just a couple random Wikipedians. Okay, enough of that, thanks for your help, Ibn Battuta (talk) 02:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC) I've just tagged this BLP for deletion since the only ref is a dead link (site seems to be inactive) and there's a very shaky claim to notability. If anybody cares to find a good ref/claim to notability they should add them to the article. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC) I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I've been working on the Harel Skaat article, and I am requesting a reassessment of the article. Thanks. Hjquazimoto (talk) 02:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC) Are Mount Hermon and Gamla actually nature reserves in Israel? Please share your knowledge on this matter here. I would also appreciate any assistance in expanding and improving this important template. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 10:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC) Categories:Israelis of foreign descentThere is a proposal, currently here at Speedy renaming relating to the various categories of Israelis (or Israeli people) of foreign descent. My view is that the word "descent" denotes ethnicity and is generally inappropriate with regards to these Israeli categories. The Israelis in question were not ethnic Bulgarian, Poles, Turks, etc. There were generally Jews whose origins were in Bulgaria, Poland, Turkey, etc. I have opposed the current proposed change and have suggested all these categories be renamed using the basis of "Israeli people of XXXian origin". Comments and possible someone taking the issue to a full cfd discussion would be welcome. Davshul (talk) 08:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Why I Am Not Here AnymoreHi All. As I founded this project, I still check in from time to time to see how things are going. I still edit articles occasionally, but I kind of dropped off of the Wiki radar without much explanation, so I thought I would stop in and say hello. This note was spurred by an article I found about Jewish and Israel Wikipedia topics (http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/13/wikipedias-jewish-problem/) Please take the time to read the article, as it explains exactly why I am not here actively editing anymore. Simply put, I was tired of the anti-Semitism. I sincerely applaud your efforts and fortitude keeping WP Israel going and editing for emet (truth). Keep up the hard work. In case you were wondering, I did not give up internet Israel activities, I started a blog (http://www.israelsituation.com) where I do my online Israel work. Occassionally, I send people here to help with the efforts. Mazel tov on all of your sucesses, and b'hatslacha on your future battles. Keep Wikipedia neutral. --יהושועEric (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
No such inferral was meant on my part, and I apologise for not making it explicit that I was accusing the site, and not the editor, of promoting bigotry. However, I disagree that "Wiki has an Israel problem. Wiki has a Jewish problem. Wiki has a kangaroo court problem. Wiki reaches hundreds of millions of people with misinformation about Jews and Israel. We have a problem." isn't defamatory. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 00:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin - now full CfdThere is a full Cdf discussion here on renaming the approximate 50 subcategories of Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin from "Israeli people of XXXian descent" to "Israeli people of XXXian origin". The word "descent" denotes ethnicity and is, I believe, generally inappropriate with regards to these categories. Comments would be welcome. Davshul (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC) Geography of Israel's changesGood day to you all! bringing to your attention that Supreme Deliciousness is renovating on his own that article, the formerly involved editors might want to take a look and have their say in it, cordial greetings, Hope&Act3! (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Lighthouses of Israelשלום, It might be of interest to someone that I started articles on the subject of lighthouses in Israel. Several are stubs, while some have a bit more meat. Of course, any help is appreciated, especially if anyone can dig a major source on the subject. The missing articles are mainly since I'm waiting for approval to use some images, so if anyone has any it would also be appreciated. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Syria and Golan HeightsSome eyes are needed on the Syria and Golan Heights. Virtually all reliable sources make it clear that the border conflicts between Israel and Syria between 1948 and 1967 were either started by Syria or were a tit-for-tat play between the two countries. The truth is probably the later as the two countries had different interpretations of the cease fire agreement, resulting in Israeli actions seen as provocations by the Syrians who then shelled Israeli villages. This is from my reading the most mainstream interpretation. See these sources [1] (page 131), [2] (page 192), [3] (page 88), [4] (page 58ff.), [5] (page 289), [6] (page 51). And so on. The problem is that two editors User:Nableezy and User:Supreme Deliciousness are painting a different picture, that is of Israeli being the aggressor provoking the Syrians. These two editors so far do not seem interested in NPOV and are only interested in finding sources that support their POV (even using a completely fake source!). It is of course the usual game. Find sources that support your POV or cite selectively, and when questioned argue that it is reliably sourced and if something is missing the other editor has to add it. I am not interested at all to work on these articles and with these editors anymore. Maybe someone with the nerves to work with partisan editors and interested in counterbalancing an existing bias should work on this article. Some useful sources are above. Pantherskin (talk) 10:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
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