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WP:HORROR and Halloween
See the project talk. I think it might be a good idea, seeing as Halloween is coming up, that this month have something special towards the Horror Project, I don't know really what to think of, perhaps a drive on Horror film articles or something like that, which should boost participation in the project. Also, if somebody could help over at the election page there, it'd be great. --Tærkast (Discuss) 12:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Would like a few extra eyes at new article
I've finished creating List of awards and nominations received by David Lynch tonight (this morning... sleep, Grapple, sleep) and since it's my first attempt at a comprehensive list article, I'd like a few more experienced list-writers to give it the once-over if they could. I'm reasonably happy with it, although there's one issue with the "infobox"-style table at the start, in that I can't get the "Total number of accolades" section to line up as two columns taking up the full width together, for some reason. It's probably something ridiculously simple, too, knowing me. Any advice, comments, anything would be welcome, as I'd like to take this to FLC if it seems ready. I've just DYK nominated it too so I'm hoping that will draw in some feedback as well. Thanks! GRAPPLE X 06:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Do you mean you want the box holding the number "1" to extend to the right margin? I've tweaked it so it does that, although I'm not sure if that's what you wanted. Betty Logan (talk) 06:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- That's an excellent piece of work, Grapples. Lynch is my fave director and I'll have a look at the list to help it get to FLC. Barnstar added too. ;-) Lugnuts (talk) 07:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
No plot tag
I've seen this tag being added to some articles recently (example). It's a minor point that the article is a stub and a documentary, so it's not likely to have a plot anyway. I think these should be better placed onto the talkpage of the article concerned instead. We have the parameters already for no infobox, no image, etc, and that works well. I fear this could start a drive-by tagging spree of no-plot, no-production, no-awards, no-release-history, etc. It also places the article into the category Category:Wikipedia articles without plot summaries. This could be better managed as WP film articles without plot summaries. I'm sure books have plots too. Lugnuts (talk) 07:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- You're absolutely correct. No missing MOS-advocated section should really be flagged on the article page, as anything classed as C or below is still given the leeway to omit them; ideally every article would cover everything though. A talk page categorisation through the film project banner would be just as effective as a book-keeping device, and would have the added bonus of being something which takes a slight modicum more wherewithal to add, which would ensure that it's not applied slapdash to articles in a spree just to readily. The extant Category:Wikipedia articles without plot summaries category would probably serve better as a parent for Category:Film articles without plot summaries, Category:Book articles without plot summaries, Category:Theatre articles without plot summaries, etc. GRAPPLE X 07:35, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've been adding brief synopses to the documentary film stubs whenever I could, and adding the no plot tag when I could not. There's an awful lot of articles that just say a film was nominated for an Oscar, and list a director, and that's it's. There's no way for me or others to move them into a "documentary films about foo" topic category, even. But even my one-line description of a film's topic is not, strictly speaking, a "plot" — meaning my tagging may serve no useful purpose, at all. Anyway, I'll stop immediately and watch this discussion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- I started alot of the documentary films off to fill in the redlinks from the Oscar documentary nomination page. I appreicate they are pretty poor in content, but felt they were needed to be started. I think the tag is a good idea, but just in the wrong place. And I've now found out what 140 Days Under the World is about and added a ref! Lugnuts (talk) 12:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I knew it was you who started the Oscar-nominated and winning doc film stubs — and yes, I also felt they needed to be started, as an Oscar-nominated film is inherently notable, imo. If there's consensus to apply this no-plot tag, or apply it on the Talk page, fine by me. I've actually only added it to a handful of articles so little damage done, either way. I'll wait. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- In fact, I see that on 140 Days Under the World Grapple had removed no plot and replaced it with a blank section for "Overview," tagged to be expanded. Overview is not an ideal section heading, imo, as it's too vague. I would suggest "Synopsis" for such a placeholder section, as non-fiction films do have synopses, even if they don't have "plots." (I say this as someone who has co-written several documentary films myself, fwiw). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:30, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I knew it was you who started the Oscar-nominated and winning doc film stubs — and yes, I also felt they needed to be started, as an Oscar-nominated film is inherently notable, imo. If there's consensus to apply this no-plot tag, or apply it on the Talk page, fine by me. I've actually only added it to a handful of articles so little damage done, either way. I'll wait. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- I started alot of the documentary films off to fill in the redlinks from the Oscar documentary nomination page. I appreicate they are pretty poor in content, but felt they were needed to be started. I think the tag is a good idea, but just in the wrong place. And I've now found out what 140 Days Under the World is about and added a ref! Lugnuts (talk) 12:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've been adding brief synopses to the documentary film stubs whenever I could, and adding the no plot tag when I could not. There's an awful lot of articles that just say a film was nominated for an Oscar, and list a director, and that's it's. There's no way for me or others to move them into a "documentary films about foo" topic category, even. But even my one-line description of a film's topic is not, strictly speaking, a "plot" — meaning my tagging may serve no useful purpose, at all. Anyway, I'll stop immediately and watch this discussion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Dead Letter Awards
Could I get more opinions on if we should include the "Dead Letter Awards" for zombie films? I can't find any notability for these awards in reliable sources, but an editor insists that they are. The discussion is about Resident Evil: Afterlife here. —Mike Allen 23:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Runoff voting for WP:FILM collaboration
Hello, all! Based on the straw poll to choose a film article for collaboration, the most voted-for article is Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film), whose 75th anniversary is in December next year. (See the talk page to get started!) After that, The Godfather (40th anniversary on March 15, 2012) and Full Metal Jacket (25th anniversary on June 26, 2012) were tied. So we will have runoff voting for these two, so they are listed below. Please support the preferred film with your signature. Below it is a discussion subsection if you want to discuss how to make a choice. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Erik (talk | contribs) 15:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- GRAPPLE X 15:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lugnuts (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Discussion
I support Full Metal Jacket because I think that The Godfather's anniversary is too soon to collaborate, get the article reviewed and copy-edited, and succeed in the FAC process. There would be more time with Full Metal Jacket, and I would argue that the 25th anniversary is more of an identifiable milestone than the 40th. (No problem with supporting The Godfather 10 years from now!) Erik (talk | contribs) 15:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I'm in favour of Full Metal Jacket mostly because it involves a narrower scope than The Godfather - to me, the temptation would be to cover The Godfather as part of a project looking at all the films, perhaps the full franchise. But since Full Metal Jacket is just one film and one book, there's sense of containment there that lets it fit nicely as a side project whilst we work on Snow White. GRAPPLE X 15:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I concur with the sentiment that it is a bit too close to March to get everything done for TG (though I hope we don't have to wait ten years to improve it - by then computers will either have gotten so small and/or advanced that my fingers wont be able to type on the keyboard or we will do all of our editing by simply blinking our eyes) so I too would support FMJ as being the article to focus on. MarnetteD | Talk 16:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with the opinions expressed above, and now realize that I do not have that film on my watchlist, which I will now rectify. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Any of these films can be improved significantly by this time. Can then be run through the FA system? Probably not, but brought to that standard? Definitely. If I had 12 hours to just sit and do something it'd be done. And in the case of fims like these, sources are probably significantly easier to come by than they were for something like Scream. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- The goal is to improve the articles, get them promoted to featured status, and request for them to be on the main page of Wikipedia on their anniversaries. I think that goal is good incentive to contribute. We can get points in main page requests for anniversaries, which is why it's part of the collaboration consideration. That's why I don't think we can do The Godfather in the time frame available to us. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- In addition to agreeing with all of the above, this will be a good excuse for me to watch the audio commentary on my DVD of FMJ. (4 Kubrick movies were released in late 2007 with bunches of new features and audio commentaries- along with the release of the unrated Eyes Wide Shut on DVD in the US on the same date).--WickerGuy (talk) 00:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- Don't forget to take time stamps. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- In addition to agreeing with all of the above, this will be a good excuse for me to watch the audio commentary on my DVD of FMJ. (4 Kubrick movies were released in late 2007 with bunches of new features and audio commentaries- along with the release of the unrated Eyes Wide Shut on DVD in the US on the same date).--WickerGuy (talk) 00:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- The goal is to improve the articles, get them promoted to featured status, and request for them to be on the main page of Wikipedia on their anniversaries. I think that goal is good incentive to contribute. We can get points in main page requests for anniversaries, which is why it's part of the collaboration consideration. That's why I don't think we can do The Godfather in the time frame available to us. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Any of these films can be improved significantly by this time. Can then be run through the FA system? Probably not, but brought to that standard? Definitely. If I had 12 hours to just sit and do something it'd be done. And in the case of fims like these, sources are probably significantly easier to come by than they were for something like Scream. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with the opinions expressed above, and now realize that I do not have that film on my watchlist, which I will now rectify. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I concur with the sentiment that it is a bit too close to March to get everything done for TG (though I hope we don't have to wait ten years to improve it - by then computers will either have gotten so small and/or advanced that my fingers wont be able to type on the keyboard or we will do all of our editing by simply blinking our eyes) so I too would support FMJ as being the article to focus on. MarnetteD | Talk 16:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've added sources to the awards section, now the rest of you (Private) Jokers can work on it. Lugnuts (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, that was easy. Seven editors (three in the discussion) support Full Metal Jacket. I cleaned up the talk page (e.g., archived old discussions) and added a {{to do}} template. Take a look here. May as well get started! WickerGuy, you're the Kubrick aficionado, have any books that can be referenced for the article? Erik (talk | contribs) 15:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Full Metal Jacket
Full Metal Jacket will be one of the two WikiProject Film collaborations for milestone anniversaries in 2012. The film's 25th anniversary is on June 26, 2012, so the goal is to get the article to featured status and to request its appearance on the main page for the anniversary. This collaboration and the one for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) will be included in this month's newsletter. Since Snow White's anniversary is not until December of 2012, this topic takes precedence. On the film article's talk page, I've kicked off a preliminary discussion with some initial thoughts and invite others to weigh in. Let's do that whole thing where many hands make light work. Some of us have already started helping -- thanks, Darkwarriorblake and Lugnuts! Erik (talk | contribs) 14:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Request for help with newsletter
I'm working on the upcoming newsletter at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Outreach/October 2011 Newsletter. I put together last month's newsletter on my own, but I'm hoping that some editors could help me with this one. I've added some details so far, and there are instructions here on how to find content to include. If anyone can add even just a few details, it would be greatly appreciated! Erik (talk | contribs) 17:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Human Centipede possible Halloween main page featured article?
Hi there. Firstly, sorry for always coming here and begging for comments and stuff when I was putting The Human Centipede (First Sequence) through three successive FACs. I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear however that eventually the article passed! It's now not only one of the most popular articles on wikipedia (ok, so well inside the top 1,000) but it's also now a Featured Article! Hooray!
The reason I return here to WikiProject Film talk is to let interested readers know that there is currently a discussion going on about the film possibly being the main page featured article on Halloween this year. The discussion about this is at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. So far there are seven people who think this would be good, and two who think this is the worst idea in the world ever.
The article has not been formally nominated for this yet, but it would still be cool to hear what people think about this idea. Personally I think it would be cool to have a popular article about a Horror film on Halloween, but that's just me, all thoughts are very much welcomed. cya! Coolug (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- Congratulations on getting it promoted to featured status! My only concern about such a nomination for the main page is that the film was very recently released, and with a sequel on the way, it may be perceived as promotional. If it was five years after, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Anyone else think the recency of this topic is problematic or not? Erik (talk | contribs) 14:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- Seems a good nomination IMO. There's only been one recent FA on the main page this month (2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final), so I think the ballance is OK. Lugnuts (talk) 11:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hey, I asked the featured article director Raul654 about whether or not it might be too promotional (this was a concern when I optimistically/foolishly nominated the article to coincide with the sequels release) and he made a pretty good point that there are a hell of a lot of articles on wikipedia that might be seen as sort of promotional, after all you can spend money on loads of the things that we have articles on - is the entire film wikiproject just a massive advert for the DVD industry? I think that with The Human Centipede (First Sequence) being one of the few featured articles on a horror film then it is pretty good for the main page on that day (probably not on other days though as it's pretty out there). Anyway, whether you think it's a good idea or a not so good idea I'd appreciate any comments on the suitability of nominating this on the talk page. Oh and by the way thanks for the helpful comments during the FAC! cya Coolug (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Great idea for Holloween Main page. I support it! AlbertBowes (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Coolug has formally nominated it now at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Lugnuts (talk) 12:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
The Secret World of Arrietty
The Secret World of Arrietty is an animated film that was originally released in Japan, with a Japanese voice cast. The film is being re-released in the US with an English voice cast. Should the English voice cast be included in the infobox? Would this be too busy to include? There are also three other positions involved with the English version, including an English Language Version Director (Gary Rydstrom), English Language Version Executive Producers (Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall), and English Language Screenwriter (Karey Kirkpatrick). My gut feeling is that this is a little excessive to include in the infobox, but I haven't done a lot of work with Japanese films converted to American films. Is my gut instinct right? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --TravisBernard (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think that the English-language cast and crew need to go in the infobox. For presenting the different voice casts, I recommend the approach that My Neighbor Totoro uses. As for the crew, I think you can just mention the key members in "Production". Erik (talk | contribs) 17:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Discussion on project guidelines
Hello fellow Film project members. I've been spending some time editing film awards pages and noticed that we don't really have a standard in some areas. I'm raising those issues which i've noticed in hopes we can decide on guidelines to help maintain better pages.
- Navigation template coloring - The navigation pages that fall under this WikiProject are: film awards, film festivals, film franchises and person templates (director, etc). Because there is no standard on how to create these - these come in a lot of different colors. For example:
- Cannes Film Festival - Template:Cannes Film Festival
- Golden Globe Award - Template:Golden Globe Awards Chron
- Screen Actors Guild - Template:SAG Awards Chron
- San Diego Film Critics Society Award for Best Actor - Template:SDFCS Awards Chron
- Harry Potter (film series) - Template:Harry Potter
- Living dead - Template:Living Dead
- Mission: Impossible III - Template:MissionImpossible
These are of course just a small sample of what we have. My suggestion is to pick a color so we can all work with it and stop rainbow color award sections like in The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. We can also choose to pick a different color for different categories - Film Awards and Festivals, Film franchises, directors.
- Category structuring - another thing i noticed is that category names arent the same. For example:
- In Category:Film awards by category we have Category:Film awards for lead actor and Category:Film directing awards. If we want to make navigation easier we need to decide on how these pages should be written - either Category:Film acting awards and Category:Film directing awards or Category:Film awards for lead actor and Category:Film awards for directing.
- Award pages. We got:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Categorization#Practical instructions - I think we should expand this and give a more detailed example. I've noticed only very few pages that use this layout - The Dark Knight (film) is one of them. But even this page doesn't use the layout shown. Also, for example, should Category:American horror films go under Category:(Genre) films or Category:(Country) films? Should Category:2000s action films go under Category:(Year) films or Category:(Genre) films? I think we should review the order and maybe decide on a new one.
- This has less to do with the award but its still part of this project. I've noticed that other projects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Animation/Assessment#Quality scale and Wikipedia:WikiProject Disney/Assessment#Quality scale have a class for Redirect pages. I think adding one to our project will help us keep track of redirects. --Gonnym (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lots to discuss here! For navigation templates, I prefer to use the default colors. I think that colors for specific templates (e.g., Mission Impossible) are unnecessary and seem to lead to aesthetic skirmishes. However, I would be okay with endorsing a color scheme for film award navigation templates. It seems to be pretty common already, so maybe we should go ahead and standardize it?
- I think you bring up a good point about some inconsistency in higher-level category names. Perhaps be bold and request a renaming at WP:CFD? Just link to it here!
- As for categories, I agree about having a fuller explanation. Even though I've edited for a while, categories have always been secondary for me, and I keep having to check for what the proper use is. However, for the ones that you mention, the decades are a way to break out higher-level categories. On each category page, both higher-level categories are included. For example, Category:2000s crime films has the categories Category:2000s films and Category:Crime films by decade. I think I may be misunderstanding you, though... I think that the decade + genre category is meant to replace the general genre category, while the decade category is unnecessary because of the year-in-film category? Can someone more experienced with categories than me clear that up? Erik (talk | contribs) 19:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- The Dark Knight (film) for example has both Category:2008 films and Category:2000s action films --Gonnym (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Probably because it's a 2008 film and a 2000s action film. Lugnuts (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Read up, i was referring to the fact that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Categorization#Practical instructions says to place the category in the primary section: Year or the other groups such as genre. My point was that i have no idea where in the list a category such as 2000s action film goes. --Gonnym (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Probably because it's a 2008 film and a 2000s action film. Lugnuts (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- The Dark Knight (film) for example has both Category:2008 films and Category:2000s action films --Gonnym (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so here is a first pass I made for the category order for a film (film series and film awards might use a different order), a few notes at the end.
(After last section and after all footer templates, line series, director filmographies, etc)
(- One empty line here -)
{{DEFAULTSORT:Noun, Article}} - This is only needed if the title starts with an article.
<!-- Primary film categories - Year, Country, Genre, Language -->
[[Category:(Year) films]] - Category:Films by year / Category:Films by decade for year + genre.[1]
[[Category:(Country) films]] - Category:Films by country / Category:Films by genre by country for country + genre
[[Category:(Genre) films]] - Category:Films by genre by country use sub-categories / Category:Films by type (Documentary films, Sequel films, etc)
[[Category:(Language)-language films]] - Category:Films by language
<!-- Film Series category -->
[[Category:(Film Series)]]
<!-- Credit categories -->
Category:Directorial debut films
[[Category:Films by (director)]] - Category:Films by director
Category:Films by source [2]
Category:Screenplays by author
<!-- Company categories -->
[[Category:(Studio) films]] - Category:Films by studio / Category:Films by producer
<!-- Award categories -->
Category:Film awards - order alphabetically.
<!-- Setting categories -->
[[Category:Films set in (location)]] - Category:Films by country of setting [3][4]
<!-- Filming location categories -->
[[Category:Films shot in (location)]] - Category:Films by country of shooting location
<!-- Technical categories -->
Category:Films by technology
<!-- Additional categories -->
Category:Films by topic - [5]
Category:Public domain - [6]
Category:Soundtracks
(-- Two empty lines here --)
{{xxx-film-stub}}
(- One empty line here -)
[[Interwiki links]]
1 - Category:Films by date has Category:Films by decade and Category:Films by century shouldn't Category:Films by decade be a sub of Category:Films by century?
2 - Seems as if Category:Films based on literature is overlapping with its parent category Category:Films based on works.
3 - Category:Films by geographic setting has continent, country and city. Shouldn't country be a sub of continent and city a sub of country?
4 - Category:Films by city of setting seems as if this category should be deleted as for example, UK films by city are found also in Category:Films by country of setting (after picking Category:Films set in the United Kingdom) and also in Category:Films by city of setting
5 - Category:Films by topic seems to need a clean up. Some of the categories start with "films about (topic)" others are "(topic) films"
6 - There should be a category for films in the public domain.
Feedback - thoughts, improvments, etc.--Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Film archives
Hi all. I have created List of film archives. It is a very important list. I hope you can help me to complete this page. Thanks. emijrp (talk) 20:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Is the Vatican City likely to have a film archive? Lugnuts (talk) 12:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- According to the FIAF member directory, there is one: Filmoteca Vaticana Michitaro (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Use of pictures in Maltese Falcon (1941 film)
There is currently a discussion going on here in which other editors might want to participate. As I am involved in that discussion, and it has been contentious, I am going to withdraw and encourage other editors to offer their opinions and perspectives. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 02:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Box office revision
I have started a discussion at the guidelines' talk page about the guidelines' "Box office" section. You can see the discussion here. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
WikiProject Logos
This may be of interest to some editors: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-10-24/WikiProject report on WikiProject logos. Traditionally, we've used whatever is available in the Commons, like File:Video-x-generic.svg and its similarly bland predecessors. Not to mention that WP:FILM is Dullsville on the front. I don't have any skills here, but am hoping that someone here will find some inspiration? :) Erik (talk | contribs) 22:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could base something on a film currently in the public domain? Night of the Living Dead and Le Voyage dans la Lune spring to mind. GRAPPLE X 22:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- We may want to make such a logo more global, such as basing it on filmmaking technology. We have cameras, reels, even the outline of an audience watching a film (actually, I kind of dig that MST3000 vibe), etc. The current icon is just a very simple reel, but it could be more creative. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:17, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- FYI There is already a user box that uses a scene from Le Voyage dans la Lune and you can see it here User:UBX/film so I think it could be adapted fairly easily. Erik's idea sounds interesting also. If anyone wants to create a few for us to chose from that would be great. MarnetteD | Talk 16:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- I would much rather see something very identifiable with film making. A projector or actual film stock. The movie theater silhouette would be cool but I think it would leave the block very empty. How about a popcorn bucket? Items that you instantly associate with watching films? --Peppagetlk 18:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- FYI There is already a user box that uses a scene from Le Voyage dans la Lune and you can see it here User:UBX/film so I think it could be adapted fairly easily. Erik's idea sounds interesting also. If anyone wants to create a few for us to chose from that would be great. MarnetteD | Talk 16:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- We may want to make such a logo more global, such as basing it on filmmaking technology. We have cameras, reels, even the outline of an audience watching a film (actually, I kind of dig that MST3000 vibe), etc. The current icon is just a very simple reel, but it could be more creative. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:17, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
ANI notice
There is a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an editor (AbsoluteGleek92) who has contributed prolifically to film articles. Editors who have crossed paths with him may wish to weigh in. The discussion is here. Erik (talk | contribs) 05:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- He's been idef blocked. We may need to watch out for socks based on this comment, "If you do block me, fine. I'll be back eventually. I have my ways. Always remember AshTFrankFurter and his many sockpuppets ;)". —Mike Allen 07:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Shaky camera vs. Hand-held camera
Someone in this wikiproject should merge the articles on Shaky camera and Hand-held camera. 67.101.5.42 (talk) 06:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- There is a distinction between the two topics. With today's hand-held cameras, there is not a shaky effect unless the filmmakers want one. The shaky camera technique, they go out of their way to achieve. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Original film vs. film series
There is a requested move to move Home Alone (currently the article for the film series) to Home Alone (film series) and to move Home Alone (film) (the original film) to Home Alone. Should the search term take a reader to the article for the original film or to the article for the film series (provided there is one), with the latter generally meaning multiple films share the keywords (in this case, "Home Alone")? Where is the reader expecting to go? The request can be seen here. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- I'd recommend that Home Alone should be the article for the film series, as it currently is. Had the sequels been little-known compared to the original, I'd say otherwise, but the current situation is ideal. GRAPPLE X 15:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've explained my perspective at the discussion. :) Just wanted to neutrally notify the community to see if what the preference is either way. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Film series says to use "For articles on a series of films, the title of the article should be Series name (film series) or Series subject (film series)." Hope this somehow helps in the discussion :)--Gonnym (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've explained my perspective at the discussion. :) Just wanted to neutrally notify the community to see if what the preference is either way. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:52, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
On a related note, I was surprised to see Category:Film series so broken up, considering that there are not that many film series (especially compared to topics in other categories). I think that the subcategories should be non-diffusing per WP:DUPCAT. For example, all the articles in Category:Action films by series will also be categorized with Category:Film series. Diffusing helps with categories where there are too many articles, such as breaking out a genre category by decade, but it's not needed here. What do others think? Erik (talk | contribs) 16:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Would some previously uninvolved editors care to weigh in on the discussion underway on this talk page? It would be a big help. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 00:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Which one? There's two unrelated comments but I don't see any discussions underway. :S GRAPPLE X 00:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry! I assumed the heading "A note to the idiot" would be obvious. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Was about to offer my opinion when I found that the comment was removed and revision-deleted. So it goes. GRAPPLE X 01:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, I did not expect that. Thanks anyway. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 14:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Was about to offer my opinion when I found that the comment was removed and revision-deleted. So it goes. GRAPPLE X 01:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry! I assumed the heading "A note to the idiot" would be obvious. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Requested move discussion - Adaminte Makan Abu
This Indian film is the subject of a discussion about moving it from its Indian title to an English one. Lugnuts (talk) 11:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:HighestWorldwideGrossMovies
The template {{HighestWorldwideGrossMovies}} has been nominated for deletion. Interested parties are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:33, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Dazed and Confused page move
Timeshifter has moved Dazed and Confused to Dazed and Confused (film) for no apparent reason and with no discussion. We already have Dazed and Confused (disambiguation), which has three entries, and this discussion --- granted, it's nearly two years old --- at the disambiguation talk page indicates that the film article is the primary topic. This seemed like a good place for a centralized discussion of the move. I am opposed as it is unnecessary. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- I assumed he knew something I didn't but if it wasn't discussed then I also oppose the move as the film is the primary topic. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed, unless Timeshifter knows something I don't. Doniago (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought perhaps a new article had been created that required further disambiguation, but that is not the case. His reasoning eludes me. But, I have informed him of this discussion, and I hope he will enlighten us. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- I suggest moving it back, and if he has valid reasons he can file a move proposal. Betty Logan (talk) 17:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought perhaps a new article had been created that required further disambiguation, but that is not the case. His reasoning eludes me. But, I have informed him of this discussion, and I hope he will enlighten us. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed, unless Timeshifter knows something I don't. Doniago (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Dazed and Confused should become the disambig page. IMO the song is more notable, but neither of them should be the primary topic. Lugnuts (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Lugnuts. But I don't want to argue about it. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is another idiotic Wikipedia rule. As if making titles clearer is a bad thing. Dumb, dumb, dumb. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Right, I've been bold and changed Dazed and Confused to a disambig page. Nice work, Timeshifter. Lugnuts (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- You probably shouldn't encourage such unilateral action. You can carry out page moves on your own if the decision is unlikely to be controversial (i.e. fixing spelling mistakes, moving a page to a title that is better representative of the subject), but altering the primary topic for a title is always going to be potentially controversial which is why there are procedures for this sort of thing. It wouldn't have killed him to propose the move on the talk page with a rationale, and then perform the move if there is general agreement. Betty Logan (talk) 17:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Four users disagree with this page move, so I'd like to know how you justify your actions, Lugnuts. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 18:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Per the reasons I've already listed, above... Lugnuts (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- But you've failed to convince enough people that you would've failed to succeed in a move. Which means that the move might just not have been the right thing to do Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oh well! You lot can sort it out then. Bye! Lugnuts (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Per the reasons I've already listed, above... Lugnuts (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Four users disagree with this page move, so I'd like to know how you justify your actions, Lugnuts. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 18:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- You probably shouldn't encourage such unilateral action. You can carry out page moves on your own if the decision is unlikely to be controversial (i.e. fixing spelling mistakes, moving a page to a title that is better representative of the subject), but altering the primary topic for a title is always going to be potentially controversial which is why there are procedures for this sort of thing. It wouldn't have killed him to propose the move on the talk page with a rationale, and then perform the move if there is general agreement. Betty Logan (talk) 17:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I think we should get the move reverted and start an official request to move. Per WP:RM, this was not uncontroversial. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)