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::::That is the only question I wish to address here, and I can't quite figure out what your problem is with this factual statement other than that you are very determined to remove it at all costs even though it is factual, because of your personal stance toward the issue. You do not seem to be acquainted with logical thought either, since I thought most everybody knew that pointing at "otherstuff" by analogy as a justification for your heavy handed actions is unacceptable. This should have been discussed for consensus before you acted unilaterally on your own because it has been in the article for YEARS. [[User:Binghi Dad|Binghi Dad]] ([[User talk:Binghi Dad|talk]]) 18:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
::::That is the only question I wish to address here, and I can't quite figure out what your problem is with this factual statement other than that you are very determined to remove it at all costs even though it is factual, because of your personal stance toward the issue. You do not seem to be acquainted with logical thought either, since I thought most everybody knew that pointing at "otherstuff" by analogy as a justification for your heavy handed actions is unacceptable. This should have been discussed for consensus before you acted unilaterally on your own because it has been in the article for YEARS. [[User:Binghi Dad|Binghi Dad]] ([[User talk:Binghi Dad|talk]]) 18:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::That is unfortunately not how Wikipedia's functions. How long soapboxing has been on a page doesn't make it any less original research. Per [[WP:BURDEN]], "the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material" (that would be you), and "any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed." The fact remains that it is not neutral to assert that "Ethiopia ''is'' also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement" since that is stating Rastafarian opinion as fact ("opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice"). It is also undue for the lede. Now leave any further remarks on the revelant [[Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism]]. [[User:Middayexpress|Middayexpress]] ([[User talk:Middayexpress|talk]]) 18:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
:::::That is unfortunately not how Wikipedia's functions. How long soapboxing has been on a page doesn't make it any less original research. Per [[WP:BURDEN]], "the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material" (that would be you), and "any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed." The fact remains that it is not neutral to assert that "Ethiopia ''is'' also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement" since that is stating Rastafarian opinion as fact ("opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice"). It is also undue for the lede. Now leave any further remarks on the revelant [[Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism]]. [[User:Middayexpress|Middayexpress]] ([[User talk:Middayexpress|talk]]) 18:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::So, when you have a kaleidoscope of reasons for keeping the material out that are always changing when one reason is shot down, it strongly suggests that all of these are cover reasons for your REAL issue. Now we are getting closer. You have now shifted to your latest excuse for denying mention to Rastafari, that this is only Rastafarian "opinion" and therefore (assuming you are correct on that) their pov isn't worthy of covering, because *you* don't find their pov worthy of covering. Am I following you correctly? [[User:Binghi Dad|Binghi Dad]] ([[User talk:Binghi Dad|talk]]) 18:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Looking for help
Hi! The WikiAfrica and Share Your Knowledge teams are glad to announce that many "African" pictures are being published on Commons, either donated by international institutions or by single photographers. You can help: please see the list of categories here, then you can either add relevant categories to the pictures or place them in relevant articles in your favourite Wikipedia. Contents are mainly about, but not limited to, Senegal, Ethiopia, Mali, Tanzania. Thanks a lot! --Elitre (talk) 13:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've made one iteration through the list (though additional categories have already been added to that list), and added relevant Ethiopia-related categories to the files (commons:Category:Omo River Valley, in particular). It's entirely possible that I've overlooked some, miscategorized, and/or that other categories are applicable. Elitre indicated (over at Commons) that they could use more help (in general) with this effort. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, I updated the list, there are many new images waiting for Wikipedia articles to host them. Who's willing to help? --Elitre (talk) 13:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
MAJOR RESTART
This project and it's main page have become extremely out of date. Over the next few weeks, (if there are no objections) I will be taken on this projects main page as a personal project. Please suggest any changes besides the obvious updates to be made.
Also, I will be archiving many of the discussions on it's talk page above. I will also be installing the MiszaBot to the talk page until there is regular upkeep established and there are more active editors. Please feel free to object to any of these things before I begin. አቤል ዳዊት (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Seeing no objections I shall begin. If you would like to preview a semi-finished new page check here. Wish me luck. አቤል ዳዊት (talk) 00:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I will document my actions in the sections below:
TO DO
Archive for historical reference
- main page
Done under /Old Page
- subpages:
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Assessment -
Still relevant and useful. Will instead merge with new and <noinclude...
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Cleanup listing -
Done /Old Page/Cleanup listing
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Culture -
Done /Old Page/Culture
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Geography -
Done /Old Page/Geography
- WikiProject Ethiopia/History -
Done /Old Page/History
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Key articles -
Done /Old Page/Key articles
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Linguistics -
Done /Old Page/Linguistics
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Resources -
Resolved Should remain intact. Still relevant and useful
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Transliteration
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Woreda templates -
Done /Templates/Woreda templates Very well executed collection of templates... will require completion and updating
- WikiProject Ethiopia/Assessment -
NEW PROJECT MAIN PAGE
- Copy over new page
Done
- Design
Done and fill in the Department pages
- Add all articles in scope of project under one page called Articles similar to this page
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- --አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 12:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- If all the articles have been added to a category, then you can get a list by using Special:Export - just put in a category name and hit "Add" - in the big box will be a full text list for you to copy. WP:AWB can do the same thing. Ronhjones (Talk) 22:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ronhjones . That worked perfectly. አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 09:28, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Done will need regular update or redoing to be current and useful. I will put instructions on how to do this at the top of the page the next time I update it. አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- Work through Outline of Ethiopia to start filling in Missing articles page
- Also add any and all redlinks found in articles to same Missing articles page
- I have found a cool way of doing this. You can see it here: Autogenerated redlinks
- Recruit! Recruit! Recruit! Need more people to help!
- --አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 12:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- Just a suggestion... The colors to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia page are supposed to be just like Ethiopia's flag. However, they are too bright and distract a little from the content of the page. Can we "wash-out" the colors a little bit? Maybe add a little bit more white to the red yellow and green?
Morrasl (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Automated process for article tagging and/or assessing
There are a lot of articles that need to be tagged and assessed. I would like to submit a request to have DodoBot automatically assess currently unassessed articles for our WikiProject, as explained here. If the process works well, I will also use the Bot to add the 'new department tags,' find articles related to this project that don't have a banner and maybe even reassess stub articles in the future. Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this suggestion. I will assume there is consensus for the task if there are no objections in a week.አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 08:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Ethiopian Airlines
Ethiopian Airlines, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 12:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Abuna or Abune
The other day I moved Abuna Merkorios to Abune Merkorios, because I noticed some other articles about patriarchs use the "Abune" spelling. What I didn't notice is that the article about that office is Abuna, not "Abune" and it turns out there are a few patriarch articles using "Abuna": Abuna Theophilos, Abuna Basilios, Abuna Takla Haymanot etc. while others (as I had seen) use "Abune." Presumably, we want to consistently use one spelling or the other (and then move articles as needed), but which one? I'm thinking "Abuna," as "Abune" might suggest it rhymes with "tune"; however a quick check at Google News suggests that "Abune" is more common (at least in English). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Now that I look at the "Abune"-titled articles, I notice that some of those are about Eritrean patriarchs. I'll leave a note about this at WP:ERITREA. They may want to treat those articles in a similar fashion, or not, though I believe it would be useful to make it consistent across both churches. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Hurso Camp
I was wondering if any one can tell me if the Hurso Camp is still in operation, current date 8/1/2013. I'm talking to a Captain Reeves, and he claims to be stationed there. I need to know if he is real, or just a scammer? I think I already know, just need to verify. Someone with info on the camp please write me and tell me what you know about the camp, and if any one knows how I can find out if this Reeves guy is really in the Military. If you could provide any phone numbers for either the camp or where I can call to see if Reeves is real and not a scammer. Thank you so much for reading.
Sincerely Needing Answers,
Hursocamp66 Hursocamp66 (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
- I never heard of the Hurso camp before. But it was fairly simple to do a Google search for "Hurso camp". This brought up http://maddawalaabuupress.blogspot.com/2013/05/oromo-freedom-from-what-and-for-what.html from May 2013 describing it as a "concentration camp" in the 1990s that had been closed. But another prominent google hit was from Wiki-leaks stating that it is where foreign military secretly train security forces. At that point it becomes something that the Prime Minister of Ethiopia should be informed of and asked for his comment. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 17:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Matthew Bryden
WikiProject Ethiopia members are invited to join the discussion at WANI. It concerns a content dispute on the wiki page on Matthew Bryden, the former UN Coordinator for the Somalia and Eritrea Monitoring Group (SEMG) and Horn of Africa political analyst. Project members are also encouraged to edit the page, as it could certainly benefit from knowledgeable contributors. Middayexpress (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
1996 flag
I've proposed that the file for the flag listed as "1996 to 2009" be changed to 1996 only to relflect its usage. Please comment at commons:File:Flag of Ethiopia (1996-2009).svg. SFB 23:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Project-Related page move proposal for Haile Selassie I
Someone has proposed moving the page Haile Selassie I to strip the 'I' from the page title, see Talk:Haile Selassie I. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 22:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
New article: Abdi Mohamoud Omar
Please be aware of Abdi Mohamoud Omar created by User:Abdi Mohamud Omar.
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Is anyone watching this project?
Does anyone actually watch or follow this page any more? Articles important to Ethiopia are being proposed for deletion, nobody is responding, they are getting relisted and relisted and the only ones to vote are deletionists who see the word "Ethiopia" in the Title and figure they don't need any better reason than that to vote Delete. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 12:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- Til Eulenspiegel, the WikiIndaba presentation, Challenges and Successes in Africa - Ethiopia and the June 2014 article What does Wikipedia need to do in Africa? indicated that several bloggers in Ethiopia have been arrested, and that Facebook is better known in Ethiopia than Wikipedia. Nonetheless, dedicated Wikipedians in Ethiopia are persisting, and Project Luwi, just now starting up, is looking to work with Ethiopian universities this summer. Also, User:Greenman reports that Amharic language Wikipedia is showing good activity. Djembayz (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
AfC submission - 27/03
Is anyone knowledgeable on Ethiopian history? Draft:Ato Mersha Nahusenay. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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Ethiopia presentation at WikiIndaba 2014 is now online
The WikiIndaba 2014 sessions are now online at YouTube! This includes a presentation, Challenges and Successes in Africa - Ethiopia. Very informative and highly recommended. -- Djembayz (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Pleas add information about this country to this articles--Kaiyr (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Rastafari movement
All of the longstanding and easily verified facts mentioning the significance of Rastafari were summarily removed from Ethiopia today by an insistent pair of editors who were also quite concerned that I not bring this issue up here, and leave it to their judgement. However, after due deliberation, I have decided to mention this thing that is happening here as worthy of your attention. It seems that the article on Rastafari cannot be linked to or alluded to from Ethiopia. Not that it is a totally orphaned article, but it deserves a mention and a link from Ethiopia as significant to the topic at the least. Binghi Dad (talk) 02:44, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The wikitext in question is actually undue soapboxing. The matter is also already discussed in its actual context on Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism. However, the newly registered account above does not seem to want to engage on that very public page, but apparently instead on other pages such as this with far fewer viewers. I wonder why that is. Unfortunately, the late User:Til Eulenspiegel (who coincidentally specializes in this area) is no longer with us to provide clarification. Middayexpress (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The statements that Rastafarians consider Ethiopia a spiritual homeland, and Haile Selassie I to be the Living God, are easily verifiable and your pretending you simply can find no verification of this seems like, well, not to put too fine a point on it, a lame excuse. What must be addressed here now is your specific personal issues with allowing these facts to be stated openly because of your own viewpoint. Binghi Dad (talk) 17:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- There are many things that could be addressed here, as you well know "Binghi Dad". At any rate, that's not what was asserted in the wikitext. It claimed that "Ethiopia is also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement, which globalized its flag colors via pop culture and Reggae music." That's a statement of fact in Wikipedia's voice, not of personal belief attributed to Rastafarians. It is also undue for the lede, where not even Ethiopia's own actual populations are mentioned. Similarly, asserting that "Israel is also the spiritual homeland of the Hebrew Israelites movement" would be undue for the Israel wikipage's lede (although the Hebrew Israelites do, by contrast, have a sizable presence in that country). That said, kindly direct any further responses to the relevant Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism, where the discussion began and can be seen in its full context by the general public. Middayexpress (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is the only question I wish to address here, and I can't quite figure out what your problem is with this factual statement other than that you are very determined to remove it at all costs even though it is factual, because of your personal stance toward the issue. You do not seem to be acquainted with logical thought either, since I thought most everybody knew that pointing at "otherstuff" by analogy as a justification for your heavy handed actions is unacceptable. This should have been discussed for consensus before you acted unilaterally on your own because it has been in the article for YEARS. Binghi Dad (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is unfortunately not how Wikipedia's functions. How long soapboxing has been on a page doesn't make it any less original research. Per WP:BURDEN, "the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material" (that would be you), and "any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed." The fact remains that it is not neutral to assert that "Ethiopia is also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement" since that is stating Rastafarian opinion as fact ("opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice"). It is also undue for the lede. Now leave any further remarks on the revelant Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism. Middayexpress (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hasn't it dawned on you that, that all of your verbs barked in the imperative voice are falling on deaf ears since I don't actually acknowledge you as any competent authority over me?
- So, when you have a kaleidoscope of reasons for keeping the material out that are always changing when one reason is shot down, it strongly suggests that all of these are cover reasons for your REAL issue. Now we are getting closer. You have now shifted to your latest excuse for denying mention to Rastafari, that this is only Rastafarian "opinion" and therefore (assuming you are correct on that) their pov isn't worthy of covering, because *you* don't find their pov worthy of covering. Am I following you correctly? Binghi Dad (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is unfortunately not how Wikipedia's functions. How long soapboxing has been on a page doesn't make it any less original research. Per WP:BURDEN, "the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material" (that would be you), and "any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed." The fact remains that it is not neutral to assert that "Ethiopia is also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement" since that is stating Rastafarian opinion as fact ("opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice"). It is also undue for the lede. Now leave any further remarks on the revelant Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism. Middayexpress (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is the only question I wish to address here, and I can't quite figure out what your problem is with this factual statement other than that you are very determined to remove it at all costs even though it is factual, because of your personal stance toward the issue. You do not seem to be acquainted with logical thought either, since I thought most everybody knew that pointing at "otherstuff" by analogy as a justification for your heavy handed actions is unacceptable. This should have been discussed for consensus before you acted unilaterally on your own because it has been in the article for YEARS. Binghi Dad (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- There are many things that could be addressed here, as you well know "Binghi Dad". At any rate, that's not what was asserted in the wikitext. It claimed that "Ethiopia is also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement, which globalized its flag colors via pop culture and Reggae music." That's a statement of fact in Wikipedia's voice, not of personal belief attributed to Rastafarians. It is also undue for the lede, where not even Ethiopia's own actual populations are mentioned. Similarly, asserting that "Israel is also the spiritual homeland of the Hebrew Israelites movement" would be undue for the Israel wikipage's lede (although the Hebrew Israelites do, by contrast, have a sizable presence in that country). That said, kindly direct any further responses to the relevant Talk:Ethiopia#Rastafarianism, where the discussion began and can be seen in its full context by the general public. Middayexpress (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The statements that Rastafarians consider Ethiopia a spiritual homeland, and Haile Selassie I to be the Living God, are easily verifiable and your pretending you simply can find no verification of this seems like, well, not to put too fine a point on it, a lame excuse. What must be addressed here now is your specific personal issues with allowing these facts to be stated openly because of your own viewpoint. Binghi Dad (talk) 17:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)