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I've created [[:commons:Category:Unidentified cosplay]]. I'd suggest that we move all pictures from [[:commons:Category:Cosplay]] there (I've already identified all that I could). --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</font>]]</sub> 06:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
:Looks like a lot of those images wouldn't fulfill Common's requirement of being "realistically useful for an educational purpose". In other words, the uploader(s) are using Commons as an image hosting service instead of using [[Flickr]] or [[List of photo-sharing websites|other service]]. It would be useful to go through the category and nominate images that aren't used in any articles. [[Special:Contributions/24.149.119.20|24.149.119.20]] ([[User talk:24.149.119.20|talk]]) 16:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
::Stop trolling, please. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</font>]]</sub> 06:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
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This talk page's archive is semi-broken
Coming back after a two year hiatus, I began reading the talk page archives to keep myself up to date. I found that that Archives 53 and 54 do not have a archive link for the succeeding archive (but yet have one for the preceding archive). Is there anyway of fixing this? Extremepro (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- You must find the time displacement unit located in one of the anime articles. Once you do you should be able to access the missing timeline and restore balance to this wikiproject. If that doesn't work there is always admin assistance =) Oh and welcome back btw! =D - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Template:Infobox convention up for deletion
Input is needed as it is going to effect the anime convention articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Japanator.com up at RSN
I've started a discussion of the reliability of Japanator.com at RS/N. WP:RS/N#Japanator.com reliable for reviews? Extremepro (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Serialization discussion
Hi everyone,
DragonZero and I would like your opinion and input on an issue regarding serialization and the GA criteria here. Thank you. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Category:Unidentified cosplay
I've created commons:Category:Unidentified cosplay. I'd suggest that we move all pictures from commons:Category:Cosplay there (I've already identified all that I could). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like a lot of those images wouldn't fulfill Common's requirement of being "realistically useful for an educational purpose". In other words, the uploader(s) are using Commons as an image hosting service instead of using Flickr or other service. It would be useful to go through the category and nominate images that aren't used in any articles. 24.149.119.20 (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Stop trolling, please. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
List of best-selling manga article
Was thinking about creating List of best-selling manga to list the manga series with the highest collected volume sales. But I myself would really only be able to get sources for the sales of the more "popular" shonen series; basically their own articles already have these. So was wondering if other people would help out for the series that haven't had popularity in the West, like Doraemon etc.? Xfansd (talk) 19:22, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Too subjective.Lucia Black (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- If i could contest to those i would, considering that the best selling is subjective. what number would be considering "best-selling"? You would have to consider how long it took to gain that amount of sales.Lucia Black (talk) 20:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Best-selling lists are based on number of copies sold. That's it. Putting in some equation of how long it's been available against how much it's sold would be absurd. As for the cut off point, that depends on the size of the list. For example books has it at 10 million, albums at 20 million. --Mika1h (talk) 20:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- If i could contest to those i would, considering that the best selling is subjective. what number would be considering "best-selling"? You would have to consider how long it took to gain that amount of sales.Lucia Black (talk) 20:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- You actually can contest to those, it just wouldn't do anything. We are not determining the "best", but simply making a list that informs readers how much each series has sold, and by listing multiple series in a single page it gives them perspective. The serialization years and number of collected volumes can be given, but I don't see why you think it matters how long a series has been running. If one series sold 100 million in 20 volumes and is completed, and another 200 million with 50 volumes and is still in serialization, you can not say "Well that's not fair. The second is longer." We are simply giving the facts. We'll just choose an amount to stop at, say only list series that have sold 10 million or more in three wikitables; 100 mil or more, 50 mil to 99 mil, and 10 mil to 49 mil. Xfansd (talk) 20:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- I've always contested these type of lists because it makes this encyclopedia want to inform on the most trivial ideas. and to me, the names are misleading, so it doesn't matter if you clarify, the fact that you had to clarify, shows how misleading it really is.Lucia Black (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- You actually can contest to those, it just wouldn't do anything. We are not determining the "best", but simply making a list that informs readers how much each series has sold, and by listing multiple series in a single page it gives them perspective. The serialization years and number of collected volumes can be given, but I don't see why you think it matters how long a series has been running. If one series sold 100 million in 20 volumes and is completed, and another 200 million with 50 volumes and is still in serialization, you can not say "Well that's not fair. The second is longer." We are simply giving the facts. We'll just choose an amount to stop at, say only list series that have sold 10 million or more in three wikitables; 100 mil or more, 50 mil to 99 mil, and 10 mil to 49 mil. Xfansd (talk) 20:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- I like the idea but are we going to have it from a worldwide view? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- You mean give sales for just Japan or include worldwide? Hmm, I personally think it would be fine to mix them and use whichever we find. Otherwise it might limit sources. What are other people's opinions on that? I did a little example in my sandbox btw. Xfansd (talk) 21:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I know what "Best selling" means, but not everyone has the same standard for "best-selling". Mikah1 may not agree that it matters how long it took, but it matters because if a book released a thousand years ago managed to accumulate 5 million dollars, it wouldn't be considered as "best seller".
the name of the list isn't accurate, and misleading to both who are familiar to best sellers and not.Lucia Black (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Brainstorming. This is a nice idea, however we'd first have to establish some ground requirements such as what would be considered a best-seller—namely in terms of quantity sold, total money earned, hardback or paperback or even digital, between what time-frame. etc. Maybe multiple articles depicting each of these requirements if they fail to merge as a single article. —KirtZMessage 22:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- ANd this is what makes the standard subjective.Lucia Black (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Lucia rather than tossing the idea which sounds similar to Highest grossing films of all time, is there a way you would tweak the title then for it to work? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- The general idea is still to find a method of listing based on the consensus of the editors, so i would still be against it. A similar name to "list of anime by episode-count" but i've contested those for years.Lucia Black (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- I disagree for all those except having a minimum number of sales for inclusion on this list. Money earned is something totally different and should not be included at all (in a different article, sure go for it). Its rare for manga to be hardcover, but you wont find separate sales for that anyway. I believe there might be separate digital sales figures. That's the thing, some sales might count digital, others might not, some might count worldwide, others might only count Japan, some publishers release updated sales each year others do not. Again, this would only be the number of copies sold that can be sourced, regardless of anything else. I got the idea for this list when I was about to add manga series to List of best-selling books and noticed that it doesn't include "comics", so my sandbox sample and what I envision the list to be is based on that one, which doesn't put any restrictions like the ones KirtZJ suggests. Xfansd (talk) 00:22, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- The list would not be subjective and it is indeed an aspect of a major medium currently lacking clarity and perspective; this article would lend itself to both goals. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is subject to the decision and standards of the editor. therefore, "subjective". As KitsZJ said, "however we'd first have to establish some ground requirements such as what would be considered a best-seller—namely in terms of quantity sold, total money earned, hardback or paperback or even digital, between what time-frame. etc. Maybe multiple articles depicting each of these requirements if they fail to merge as a single article."Lucia Black (talk) 01:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- How is "volumes sold" subjective? The only "subjective" aspect would be defining the cut off for inclusion. Things like "money earned" and other methods are not definable records and publishers will always be silent on. You either go with the clear records or you don't do it at all. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:08, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is subject to the decision and standards of the editor. therefore, "subjective". As KitsZJ said, "however we'd first have to establish some ground requirements such as what would be considered a best-seller—namely in terms of quantity sold, total money earned, hardback or paperback or even digital, between what time-frame. etc. Maybe multiple articles depicting each of these requirements if they fail to merge as a single article."Lucia Black (talk) 01:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- The list would not be subjective and it is indeed an aspect of a major medium currently lacking clarity and perspective; this article would lend itself to both goals. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
It would be subjective to establish what would be considered Best-sellers. Sales can be subjective depending on how accurate you want the term "best seller". its completely subjective to even "define" it on our own, which is why knowledgekid is asking if there's another form of renaming it.
I believe we "don't do it all". the accuracy of the list, and the subjectivity is too high, mainly because this is based on research of sales more than anything else. the label "best seller" is one thing to be against it because not all of them are considered as such and some for good reasons (such as the sales don't mean much if, but also note that this is only based on sales, not best sellers. Anything can amount to best sellers if it lives out the sales long enough.
Also i find it incredibly trivial. the same reason why i'm against list articles such as List of anime series by episode count.Lucia Black (talk) 03:08, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't care enough to explain all the reasons why that list is off, but if maintaining them was not an issue would it be different? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- I simply believe these list are not encyclopedic. Doing by the number of episodes or the number of sales seems to be something based on personal interest, not notability based on third party sources.Lucia Black (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- While I understand your position I'd like to note that the proposed list serves as an indicator of popularity, success and hence cultural value upon which that 2 or 3 books for every man, woman and child has been sold. A listing of longest series by episode count changes weekly. Wikipedia is for the sum of all human knowledge and such a list serves as a defined and accessible meter upon which the medium can be gauged with a mere glance and in a context that does not require any editorializing. If anything, that should be an ideal example of why such a page would be both useful and informative. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:53, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- I simply believe these list are not encyclopedic. Doing by the number of episodes or the number of sales seems to be something based on personal interest, not notability based on third party sources.Lucia Black (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)